Catch Up 104 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 158

Chris Williamson 0:00 It's podcast time, podcast time. Johnny and Yusuf, podcast time.

Yusef 0:05 Some of the questions we get, and we're just like, "Sorry, guys, it's also our first pandemic, so..."

Jonny 0:11 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:12 (laughs)

Yusef 0:13 Yeah. We're, we're immune to this too. We're just trying our best as well. I'm just, leave us alone.

Jonny 0:17 I just want to say something I saw on Instagram that I thought was fantastic, which was a very Geordie man saying like, "Here, over there, I took me bin out, right? And I got a fucking round of applause."

Chris Williamson 0:28 (laughs)

Jonny 0:30 Can you believe that?

Yusef 0:30 (laughs) My upstairs neighbor has taken up the drums and is having a lot more sex.

Chris Williamson 0:37 (laughs)

Yusef 0:38 But like, and it's directly above my bedroom, and it's at all times of the day. So I think there's a dog pooing outside. No, there's not. It's fine. It's fine.

Chris Williamson 0:47 (laughs)

Yusef 0:48 So that's tough, like, it's, it's going to be ... it hits so hard. But that's the choice that I've made by living here in front of a window where I can spot people pooing outside my house. So-

Chris Williamson 1:03 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. It's podcast time, podcast time. Johnny and Yusuf, podcast time. Welcome back, gentlemen. Very good to see you.

Yusef 1:15 Good morning.

Chris Williamson 1:16 How are you?

Yusef 1:16 Good morning.

Jonny 1:17 Does, does Skype, can, can everybody see everybody-

Chris Williamson 1:20 Yeah.

Jonny 1:20 ... at once?

Chris Williamson 1:20 Yeah, man.

Jonny 1:21 So if when you're speaking, if I go...

Yusef 1:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:24 Yeah. I can see, I can see you making embarrassing reactions-

Jonny 1:28 Right.

Chris Williamson 1:28 ... to what I say, yeah.

Jonny 1:29 Okay.

Yusef 1:29 So for anyone that's listening, like the, the reason Johnny's asked that is 'cause the previous episode, we were using a different bit of software where if someone was talking, the other person could be like, and it was fine 'cause you couldn't see them.

Chris Williamson 1:40 Yeah.

Yusef 1:41 Whereas now, we're all on view all at once.

Chris Williamson 1:45 Yous- Yusuf and Johnny are bothered-

Yusef 1:46 With Skype.

Chris Williamson 1:46 ... about the fact that they can't be snide behind my back while we're doing the podcast or make funny faces.

Yusef 1:51 Couldn't.

Jonny 1:52 Mm, so lame. Uh, so what date, what date is it? Uh, Saturday, April 4th, we're recording this. I think this will go out in just a couple of days. So, um, yeah, we just thought we'd do a catch-up episode. Obviously, we, I mean, this is the first time I've got to see either of you two, um, since the last one, since catch up, which is kind of funny, like since isolation hacks, we haven't seen each other. And now we get to see each other again, it's like, ah, podcast. (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Yusef 2:21 It's also odd that all of our lifestyles have barely changed. Like, I mean, Chris goes to the club less, but me and Johnny, our lives-

Jonny 2:29 The club.

Yusef 2:29 ... are exactly the same.

Jonny 2:30 Chris does CrossFit just somewhere else.

Chris Williamson 2:33 Do you mean Sundays-

Jonny 2:34 He's slightly less pissed.

Chris Williamson 2:34 Sundays at the Botanist and Wednesday nights at the Dog & Parrot. That's what you mean, isn't it?

Jonny 2:41 At Blanc.

Chris Williamson 2:43 (laughs)

Jonny 2:43 It's when you do, when you do Riverside at Blanc. That's the, that's Yusuf's favorite.

Chris Williamson 2:46 Yeah, that's it. Voodoo, Voodoo Mondays, Riverside at Blanc. Yeah, that's it. For those, for those who don't know what we're on about, I've been friends with Yusuf for nearly 10 years now. And in that entire time, he's never once got my portfolio of events correct. Like, he just keeps on, "So it's a, it's a Wednesday, so you must be at work tonight, right?" I'm like, "Yusuf, I've never run a Wednesday my entire career."

Yusef 3:08 You know the, the drinks event that you run at the social club in Leeds on-

Jonny 3:11 The parties, the parties that you do.

Chris Williamson 3:13 Yeah. It starts at 8:00 AM, isn't it? 8:00 AM for 8:30? You get formal dress. Um, so yeah, that's, yeah, so less time, but you are right, like I mean, what, what's changed in your life, Blob? Like, 'cause you just moved h- I wanted to bring this up actually. First thing I want to bring up, how antifragile is having a dog and a garden during lockdown?

Jonny 3:33 Yeah. It's pretty good. I mean, I still go for walks. So like, so what's changed? I suppose the, the main change, and probably the... Yeah, the main change is I would normally work somewhere else for like a few days in the week in the morning. So I'd go to a coffee shop or something like that. Um, I remember the last visit I had to a coffee shop actually. Where was it and what did you choose? I hope it was a good one.

Yusef 3:59 Where was it?

Chris Williamson 3:59 It was in, it was in Cost- Costa in town. It was average, to be honest, but really good wifi. I feel like I could write a, like a 50-page guide on like how to select your coffee shop. But anyway. I'd love that.

Jonny 4:08 So you walk in and everyone's like, you know, sort of... This was a night that there was talk of lockdown, talk of quarantine, signs everywhere saying, "We will not accept cash." And I, I nearly said to the person taking my order, like, "Why is that not just always the case?"

Chris Williamson 4:25 (laughs)

Jonny 4:25 Like, maybe-

Chris Williamson 4:27 Fully agree.

Jonny 4:27 ... maybe this situation wouldn't be quite as bad if people didn't like hand each other bits of paper. Like, you go to the till, you hand them a bit of paper. Like give, you give me the paper back.

Yusef 4:34 It'd just been like rolled up with cocaine and sweat.

Jonny 4:38 Well, then there-

Yusef 4:38 And people was like bum fingers and everything.

Jonny 4:38 ... and then your receipt, which just bumps your estrogen up.

Chris Williamson 4:42 Yeah, that too. (laughs)

Jonny 4:44 So the risk is like viral, you catch a virus or, um-

Chris Williamson 4:49 Estrogen.

Jonny 4:49 Yeah. Yeah, you get some kind of like long-term hormonal problem or just their order come.

Chris Williamson 4:54 100%. Oh yeah, so tell me about some-

Yusef 4:55 There's no one promoting, um, the oat protes? What are they called? Oat-eens.

Chris Williamson 5:01 Oh, yeah.

Jonny 5:03 Oh, yeah. When a guy like ran, ran up to me to give me an oat-ete bar in Costa.

Chris Williamson 5:09 So, so-

Jonny 5:09 You're, you're mate.

Chris Williamson 5:10 Threw, threw the door. Um, tell me, what has, uh, what has changed then, apart from coffee shop visits, Blob?

Jonny 5:20 So just, I suppose, like I would, you know, in the evening, Becca and I would sometimes have plans. Like, obviously we would be doing these on a sofa in your house. Like, this would be happening on an evening for like three hours, loads of bright lights. Um, but that doesn't happen anymore. Um, but like not, not much really. And I feel like a bit of a twat saying that 'cause everyone's like, "Oh, it's worked for you, mate." But like, I suppose, I, I feel like... So two, two really interesting things. One is I, I'm normally pretty bad for like worrying about my health. Like, if I think I've got something wrong with me, like it consumes my thoughts for weeks. Um, and I always assume the worst. So if it's like-... I have something tiny wrong with me, I assume it's horrendous. But at the moment, like, I just, I'm not that worried about this, but a lot of people I know are a lot more worried than they ever have been. And a lot of people are really struggling with being in the house and the, sort of the isolation side of it. But I, I think the way it feels is like I've been dealing with s- sort of those worries j- for like years, so now it's just like, "Well-"

Chris Williamson 6:23 Everyone else has got them.

Jonny 6:25 Yeah. (laughs) It's like, I think just, I've, I've just had practice in both of the conc- both of the struggle points, which is like worrying about your health and being at home on your own-

Chris Williamson 6:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 6:34 ... dealing with work just by yourself in front of a laptop. So-

Chris Williamson 6:37 The, um-

Jonny 6:38 ... that's fairly normal for me.

Chris Williamson 6:39 ... the, the guilt or whatever it is that you're referring to there, the feeling a bit like a twat, is something I've been dealing with as well. Um, it's, I don't know whether it's like a survivor, a survivor guilt or whatever it might be, but the fact that it doesn't feel painful to me to live the life that I've always lived, or have done-

Jonny 6:55 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 6:55 ... for the last few years. Like very little, for me, has changed. Um, I did a-

Jonny 6:59 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:00 ... did a poll on my Instagram asking, or like ask people for questions, and there's definitely some people out there that are struggling a lot more. I mean, there's some people who message saying that they live on their own. This one girl, um, said, "Me and my partner are going through a really difficult time at the moment and we're self-isolating in different houses." So like imagine trying-

Jonny 7:18 Oh no.

Chris Williamson 7:18 ... to negotiate a relationship, like a bad relationship, when you're both locked down. Another person said-

Jonny 7:23 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:24 "... I'm really extroverted. I, I get super depressed when I'm on my own." Uh, and I'm, there's me, l- loving life. Like no longer-

Jonny 7:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:32 No longer having my sleep routine messed up. Like don't get me wrong, I miss all my mates, I miss getting to see you guys. I miss going to work. I miss actually being at work and seeing the nightclubs and, you know, j- getting that buzz and stuff. But there's part of me, the just the novelty of doing more of stuff that I like to do is cool. And it'll wear off, but I, there's, there's a guilt. There's like a, I don't know, I just feel like, um, I shouldn't be this, that, that, it should be harder. I should be suffering-

Jonny 7:57 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:57 ... more for being at home. And then there's the complete opposite end of the scale which is Dr. Scone.

Jonny 8:05 (clears throat) Es- Esconda.

Chris Williamson 8:07 Esconda.

Yusef 8:07 This is a really ... Well this is a really interesting point that not only the three of us are experiencing, but it's, it's totally universal, and that is, the lifestyle choices that you've made have consequences. Like as obvious as that sounds, like you pay your money, you take your choice. And whatever, whatever way that you've set up your life, it has advantages in some circumstances, and disadvantages in others. So-

Chris Williamson 8:31 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 8:31 I think there's a dog pooing outside. No there's not, it's fine.

Chris Williamson 8:34 (laughs)

Yusef 8:34 Fine.

Chris Williamson 8:35 (laughs)

Yusef 8:38 It's, it's

Narrator 8:38 (laughs)

Yusef 8:40 But that's the choice that I've made by living here in front of a window where I can spot people pooing outside my house. So- This is the, this is my point, that you guys have, you've set up your life in such a way that during normal, non-pandemic times, you have insecurity of income. You have lower scope for social life than, than others because of the hours that you do, or, um, the people that you live with, you know, that's, that's a choice that you've made and you have to be with them through thick and thin. And so, what the advantage might be in one circumstance could be a disadvantage in the other and vice versa. So your friend who's extroverted and needs human company, the way they've set up their life normally means they, they reap the advantages of that, but then when they're in lockdown, it's a bad thing.

Chris Williamson 9:32 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 9:32 Vice versa for us. Like equally the job of a junior doctor can be a bit rubbish at times (laughs) . Um, but what I have got is the job security during a pandemic that someone who works in graphic design doesn't have.

Chris Williamson 9:48 Yeah.

Yusef 9:48 And so I don't see any of these things as an advantage or disadvantage, they're just the consequence of the decision that we've all made. (sniffs) And so I don't think you should feel guilty about it because-

Chris Williamson 9:57 (laughs)

Yusef 9:57 ... there will certainly be a time where you experience the, the blunt end of it as well.

Chris Williamson 10:03 Yeah, for sure. Mm-hmm.

Yusef 10:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 10:04 There's, um, there was part of me at the very beginning, I wonder whether you felt this as well, Johnny, um...

Yusef 10:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 10:11 I was taking far too much pleasure in other people struggling to generate their own meaning and their own motivation. So I was seeing a lot of people saying, "Ah, it's really hard working from home," and, "I've really not got a routine," and, "I just keep eating 'cause I'm constantly in the house." And, "Oh, isn't it difficult when you're in your bedroom working as opposed to when you're..." And I was like, "Yeah, you motherfucker, how do you think it's been for me for the last 10 years?"

Yusef 10:39 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:39 Like welcome to my world, bitches.

Yusef 10:42 That's just feeling, that's just feeling vindicated, just like-

Chris Williamson 10:43 Well yeah, but-

Yusef 10:44 ... well ... Yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:44 I should've let go-

Yusef 10:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 10:45 You know, like I, it's taken, uh, it took a week for me to work through that and for me to fully let go and be like don't cathartically take pleasure in the fact that other people have entered your nightmare. (laughs)

Yusef 10:59 (laughs) Yeah. Something I keep seeing, uh, people, like entrepreneurs that I follow posting is the idea that like you fall, you always fall to the level of your training.

Chris Williamson 11:08 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 11:08 And I think the thing that I, I have definitely witnessed a few, um, sort of like people on my, in my social circle kind of spin out of control a little bit with this happening. Um, and I think if you're ... But there's also people who just continued as normal. Um, so I do think it's, as Yusuf says, like the choices you make of sort of building a, building routines in your life, building habits in your life, and holding on, trying to hold onto those, um, if the rest of your life kind of falls out, falls away around you. You can s- you've still got those, those aspects of consistency in your day. Um, and I know it's difficult for people 'cause for a lot of the, a lot of people, training and exercise and that is, is normally a, a fairly consistent healthy habit they do. But there's still loads of other things that you can like, as we discussed last time, like continue your same, what you do in the morning, continue what you do in the evening, try and keep that structure. And then the frustration that comes with it and feeling like you're just sort of slipping into this putrid mess, you know, progressively over, over the weeks, like that, that's not as bad.So, this, this is the, like, one man's crisis is the other man's opportunity.

Jonny 12:13 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 12:13 Yeah.

Yusef 12:13 Like, the three things that you've mentioned there. Like, (clears throat) you've got ... You normally operate in a routine. Some would, during normal times, some people would be like, "Oh, mate, that's so restrictive." Like, "You can't do the things that ... " It's like-

Jonny 12:25 (clears throat)

Yusef 12:25 Well, yes, but that's a double-edged sword because now when there is nothing else to do, you have the momentum of the routine and, you know-

Jonny 12:33 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 12:33 ... your productivity hasn't changed.

Jonny 12:35 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 12:35 You've got a dog, which most of the time can be a ball ache, but during a pandemic, demand for dogs has gone up so much. Like, all the dog adoption centers have completely-

Jonny 12:45 Yeah. It's crazy.

Yusef 12:46 ... maxed out.

Chris Williamson 12:46 Is this true?

Yusef 12:46 You hedged against that.

Jonny 12:48 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:48 Yeah.

Yusef 12:48 Like, yeah. Like, people are just desperately looking for, you know, the, the home gym. Like, yes, that's a ball ache to set up, and it's expensive to, to get, and it, and it's cold and ... But now, like, you're the winner with, with a home gym 'cause-

Chris Williamson 13:02 You've just described-

Yusef 13:03 ... you know, training-

Chris Williamson 13:03 ... Jonathan Watson.

Yusef 13:04 Like, like his training is just unaffected.

Jonny 13:06 (laughs)

Yusef 13:06 Like, the other day, he was like, "Oh, Yousaf just did a heavy Berghain-style deadlift session the other day." It's like, how many people, uh, can say that now?

Jonny 13:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 13:14 That is-

Jonny 13:15 The thing is-

Chris Williamson 13:16 ... that's-

Jonny 13:16 ... even, even when you do the maths, like I, I don't think a home gym makes financial sense. Like, when you add it up, like what it costs to sort of get what you need to train normally, you wouldn't... I think it takes like 10 years to recoup it.

Chris Williamson 13:27 (laughs)

Jonny 13:28 But you have the, you have the ability to sort of control this little environment that you can manage.

Chris Williamson 13:33 Yeah.

Jonny 13:33 No one's ever using your barbell. Like no one's ever, like, wants to squat rack. You know what I mean? Like-

Chris Williamson 13:38 Is that my barbell over there?

Yusef 13:39 (laughs)

Jonny 13:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:40 Excuse me.

Yusef 13:40 There's always the alternative of what every ... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:43 You got mine.

Yusef 13:43 ... what every fit pro on Instagram is doing, which is jump squats in their mom's conservatory and like-

Jonny 13:49 (laughs)

Yusef 13:49 ... doing presses with a can of beans or like squats with triceps.

Chris Williamson 13:51 Have you got a banana? (laughs) Why have you got a banana in your hand? (laughs)

Yusef 13:54 Well, that's ... It's my weight. It's the, uh ...

Chris Williamson 13:57 (laughs)

Jonny 13:58 (laughs)

Yusef 14:00 Have you seen the guy that-

Chris Williamson 14:01 Yeah.

Yusef 14:01 ... the guy that was like, "All these people doing glute thrusts in their, in their living room. That's like saying I'll get big biceps by doing that." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 14:08 It's like ... (laughs)

Jonny 14:10 The person I love watching most is, um ... Go, go and watch Erik Helm's training on Instagram, 'cause he's just doing it in a car park.

Yusef 14:20 (laughs)

Jonny 14:20 So he's got like a basic barbell. He's got like a barbell and some, some, like, other basic kit, and he's just gone to like ... Uh, it must be the park, the car park of, like, his flat or something. But he's just in-

Chris Williamson 14:28 What, what nationality is he? Sorry.

Jonny 14:31 He's, he's, he's American, but he lives in New Zealand, so he's ... At, at least I think so.

Chris Williamson 14:35 Okay.

Jonny 14:36 Um, but he, he's, um ... The manager can put together like some pretty, like, sessions that I think I'd enjoy doing.

Chris Williamson 14:42 (laughs)

Jonny 14:42 Um, but it's just the location. I just, I love that he's like, "No, I'm still gonna have an area where I train, and it just so happens that that area is going to be a public car park."

Chris Williamson 14:51 Man.

Jonny 14:51 But he's like away from everything, and it's brilliant.

Chris Williamson 14:54 So-

Jonny 14:55 It's so funny to watch. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 14:56 I've, uh ... I want to start a, a movement which is #pikeyliftingclub, and it includes all of the people at the moment, like me. So I had my doormats down on my decking the other day to protect them from the dumbbells that I was putting down.

Yusef 15:12 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:12 And, um, Alfie Armstrong and Sonny Webster, I know at the moment are both using wheelie bins as squat racks.

Yusef 15:19 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 15:19 So they're squat racking-

Yusef 15:20 Me too.

Chris Williamson 15:20 ... in and out of ... So Sonny's got lifting blocks so that he can do like jerks from blocks-

Yusef 15:26 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 15:26 ... but it's just, it's just two wheelie bins. Apparently the wheelie bins in, uh-

Yusef 15:28 I wouldn't trust a wheelie bin being that strong.

Chris Williamson 15:31 Alfie's got 100 kilos on two wheelie bins, and they look pretty, they look pretty legit.

Yusef 15:39 Just on the lid?

Chris Williamson 15:40 On the lid, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 15:42 It's distributed though, isn't it?

Yusef 15:43 50 kilos on each one. That's all right. It's per person stand.

Chris Williamson 15:46 Ah. This would be a good way to do it. If you were able to shave the handle off. Get, like snap the handle off it, turn it upside down so that you've got the base. I bet the base is strong as fuck. You got that, that-

Yusef 15:57 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 15:58 Anyway, Pikey Lifting Club. If you've got any, uh ... If you are doing some pikey lifting, I want to find out about it. So give me a message-

Jonny 16:03 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:04 ... and, and let me know what you've been doing.

Yusef 16:05 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 16:05 So, um, Sef, like you are ... As frontline, you're the vanguard against this current situation. Tell us, tell us what it's like, man.

Yusef 16:14 Literally the, the frontline. It's g- ... It's quite nice to see the, um, like the, the applause the other day out in the, out in the streets. Like that, that was quite sweet, quite heartwarming.

Chris Williamson 16:26 I was gonna say-

Yusef 16:26 I only realized that-

Chris Williamson 16:26 ... do you feel that? Do you feel ... Do, y- as a health worker, do you feel that?

Yusef 16:30 It, so it ... There's, there's two, two parts to it. So the, the applause, like that was, that was nice. It's nice to hear that the public appreciate it. I, ironically, I only realized what it was about in retrospect because I was between night shifts and I was just like, I w-

Chris Williamson 16:45 Annoyed at being woken up-

Yusef 16:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:46 ... by all these fuckers clapping outside. (laughs)

Yusef 16:48 What's all this th-

Chris Williamson 16:49 (laughs)

Yusef 16:49 Yeah. Like you, you're actually, you're too busy to-

Chris Williamson 16:52 Emotion.

Yusef 16:52 ... to like be able to take notice of it. But on the other hand, (clears throat) it's really nice to see that people actually do have some level of compassion, at least where we are. I'm sure there's like dicks in, in London though, whatever, that are just still ignoring the whole isolation thing.

Jonny 17:10 In London.

Yusef 17:10 (laughs)

Jonny 17:10 (laughs)

Yusef 17:12 It's always in London, isn't it? (laughs)

Jonny 17:13 It is.

Yusef 17:14 Um, but, uh, but it's nice that everyone's actually been like, "You know what? Yes, this is an illness that probably won't kill me. But for the sake of grandma, for the sake of the NHS, the old- the older populations, all of this, we're gonna pile together and actually do something proper about this." And so seeing people observe a, uh, isolation quite strictly is quite nice, quite heartwarming to see. And it's not something I, I'd expected. And it seems like the UK, we did flatten the curve enough for us not to have this absolute mad spike that the likes of Italy are seeing, you know. We're, we're not, we're not having to just like, you know, put people on ventilators in the car park and, and that kind of thing. So, um, from that perspective, it's lovely. The other perspective, like we ... A lot of company, we get like 5% off Pizza Express or whatever, and you're like, "I could ... I prefer a pay rise rather than just ..." Like, or, or 10% off Subway. The Costa in the hospital-... started offering free coffees for staff. Do you know how long it lasted for? 24 hours.

Chris Williamson 18:25 Oh, my God.

Jonny 18:25 Yeah.

Yusef 18:25 And then they were, like-

Chris Williamson 18:25 Why, because they got, they got pounded?

Yusef 18:28 I, I guess so. Or just they were, like... It... 'Cause I... But. Whereas my perspective is like Costa, if, if they know they're going under, they should just be like, "Let's just go out with a bang, let's go out doing something." Like, "We're making a massive loss anyway, let's just give NHS staff a free drink," and then it at least looks good for PR on the way out.

Chris Williamson 18:46 Um, I want to just sort of interject there. I think... I know that it must suck right now, and if there's NHS staff listening, um, I apologize for how poorly you're being treated and paid at the moment. Uh, but thank you for your service.

Yusef 19:00 That's the annoying part. 'Cause like we're, we're being... The, the hours and the nights and everything, they're only gonna increase.

Chris Williamson 19:05 Yeah.

Yusef 19:06 We're putting ourself at a very high risk of additional viral load, plus the combination of being rundown between nights, like sleep cycle being-

Chris Williamson 19:15 Perfect storm for you to-

Yusef 19:16 ... messed around.

Chris Williamson 19:17 ... to become infected. And then if you become infected, that further strains the other healthcare workers that are beside you.

Yusef 19:24 Oh, yeah. It's- it falls upon everybody.

Chris Williamson 19:24 Man, it is, it is like, um... Yeah, it's literally like someone created in a, a virtual world, how, how would you make the healthcare services vulnerable and, and as on a knife edge as possible? But, um, when we reintegrate, which inevitably it's gonna happen at some point, fucking better do.

Jonny 19:43 Hopefully.

Chris Williamson 19:43 I know for a fact, man, that NHS workers are going to get... So I, I strongly predict free gym memberships for NHS workers. We'll be doing probably free entry into all of our club nights with an NHS thing for the next year, something like that. Um, I imagine that a lot of businesses will try to repay NHS workers when they can. Um, you know, it's not our job to say what the NHS should pay you, although probably would be nice to be more. Um, we can't control that. But as a small business owner, I imagine that, you know, if you've got a Café 1901 in Jesmond or something like that, and you've got an NHS thing, I... It wouldn't surprise me if they say, "You've got 50% off your food or you get a free coffee or something like that."

Yusef 20:27 Tha- that would be lovely. I think for the last few weeks all the globe- all the, you know, healthcare staff across the world have been crying for is, like, can we just have a mask that fits properly? Like can we just have the actual-

Chris Williamson 20:37 Yeah.

Yusef 20:37 ... equipment that- (laughs)

Jonny 20:38 I don't want a, I don't want a garlic bread. I want, I want my...

Yusef 20:41 (laughs)

Jonny 20:42 I want the proper kit please.

Chris Williamson 20:43 (laughs) Yeah, exactly. I want to not be wearing a sock over my face.

Jonny 20:47 Just before we go further down this, I just want to say something I saw on Instagram that I thought was fantastic, which was a very Geordie man saying like, "Yeah, the other day, I took me bin out, right? And I got a fucking round of applause." Can you believe that?

Chris Williamson 21:06 (laughs)

Jonny 21:06 I think the, the thing that... Like the silver lining of all this stuff is there's a few people, like a few very dry, very sarcastic people on social media who just spot these opportunities. Brilliant.

Chris Williamson 21:18 (laughs)

Yusef 21:19 Yeah. The-

Jonny 21:24 What?

Chris Williamson 21:25 What?

Yusef 21:25 The... Have you seen the one of the guy who was like, "I was, um, out in Tesco today, and there wasn't much food available on the shelves. And I went to this, this couple and, and th- their trolley was absolutely full of stuff and I, I said, 'Excuse me, would you mind awfully sparing a couple of items for...' And it was great. And they gave me some hummus and some..." And he's holding a gun.

Chris Williamson 21:47 (laughs)

Yusef 21:48 "And some tomatoes and some lemon juice. Absolutely lovely." The, the other thing I feel so smug about is having the bum gun, the Shotofo. Bless you. Bless you.

Chris Williamson 21:59 Man, you... It's, you've, you've got scalable toilet paper.

Yusef 22:03 Oh, my God, it's incredible. So, you have a... I think toilet roll is back in.

Chris Williamson 22:07 You have a... Just, can you describe briefly, briefly describe what it is you've got in your bathroom for people that didn't listen to that Lifehacks episode?

Yusef 22:13 Wall mounted high pressure hose that you can spray at your bum. Not in your bum, at your bum, to reduce the requirement for toilet roll.

Chris Williamson 22:25 High pressure hose makes it sound more rudimentary than it is. It's actually, it's real nice. Chrome with a pressure... What? What's happened, Johnny? Have you had a... Are you having a stroke?

Jonny 22:33 I've just remembered something. No, no, I've just remembered something. It's related to that, about Wim Hof.

Chris Williamson 22:37 In the bum?

Jonny 22:38 Have you seen a photo of Wim Hof? Yeah, so have you seen a photo of Wim Hof's belly button?

Yusef 22:43 No.

Chris Williamson 22:43 No.

Jonny 22:44 Right. So I- I'm doing his ten week course at the moment, guys.

Chris Williamson 22:48 Oh, right. Cool.

Jonny 22:49 Which involved yesterday, as well.

Yusef 22:50 Stand out.

Jonny 22:51 Stand out.

Yusef 22:51 He's not Fool you.

Chris Williamson 22:53 You know how I fixed my scoliosis?

Jonny 22:57 72 hours of yoga per day.

Chris Williamson 22:58 72 hours of holotropic breathing per day.

Jonny 23:02 (laughs) I mean, that would be, you know, tricky.

Chris Williamson 23:04 Yousef did that, he held a German lady's hand.

Jonny 23:07 For hours.

Yusef 23:08 Three hours. What... I mean, what a listening experience this must be. People are just like-

Chris Williamson 23:12 "What?"

Yusef 23:13 ... "This must... This word salad."

Chris Williamson 23:14 Well, no, but if people... All of this has been... All of this is referenced in previous episodes, and if you don't know what... If you don't know why Yousef held a German lady's hand, if you don't know why Johnny had an out of body experience, if you don't know who Wim Hof is, just go back. Go back, listen to the whole catalog and you'll know what we're on about.

Jonny 23:29 Anyway, so I was wa- I was watching this video and I was like, "He's got a really weird belly button. I'm gonna find out why." So I Googled, "Why does Wim Hof have a weird belly button?" And someone's written a really long answer. I don't know how, I don't know whether this is true, but the guy claimed to be like involved in writing his book. But he didn't go too much into the story because when you hear, you hear why, it's like, "Oh my God, that's mental." So apparently what happened was-

Chris Williamson 23:52 (laughs)

Jonny 23:53 ... there's a fountain, right, where Wim often swims in, and he gives himself an enema on the fountain. Um, and he was gonna go do it again, but the time that he did it again, they'd turned the pressure up on the jet, and so it like cut through his whatever bits and he needed like major surgery and stuff. So-

Chris Williamson 24:14 Yousef, as a health professional, can you debunk or confirm whether or not Wim Hof has an outie now because he filled his abdomen up with water from a-

Jonny 24:26 It's more than an outie. It's more than an outie. But you look at-

Chris Williamson 24:27 Is it like a little willy?

Jonny 24:28 ... something's going on here. No, it just looks-

Chris Williamson 24:30 Is it like, is it like a little willy?

Jonny 24:31 It just doesn't look normal. Doesn't look normal. But, uh, apparently it's because, I mean, take that with a pinch of salt. Like, I don't know whether that's true or not, that's just what I read from one person.

Chris Williamson 24:39 Okay.

Jonny 24:39 But if someone's made that up, like-

Chris Williamson 24:44 One to sum-

Jonny 24:44 ... almost, like, fair enough, fair enough to think they might have actually-

Yusef 24:47 It might just be a, like, post-surgical hernia that he's, that he's developed from, from the sur- rather than, like, the enema blowing out his belly button.

Jonny 24:54 Oh, no, I don't think ... I, no, I don't think the water blew out his belly button.

Yusef 24:57 Oh, okay. (laughs)

Jonny 24:57 I think it, it is from the surgery.

Chris Williamson 24:59 I'm, I'm-

Jonny 24:59 But the water on his certain-

Yusef 25:00 You feel like such an idiot after. You've shh happened.

Chris Williamson 25:01 That's what happened. Yeah, exactly. That's it.

Jonny 25:03 Damn it. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 25:04 Weekest point, um, talking about personal protective equipment, have you seen that Rogue have started producing, um, those clear face masks?

Yusef 25:15 So that, that's another fantastic thing that I'm seeing with people pulling together, that Rogue, Rolls Royce, General Motors, um, Esther.

Chris Williamson 25:21 New Balance have stopped making shoes.

Yusef 25:24 Really?

Chris Williamson 25:24 New Balance have stopped making-

Jonny 25:26 Wow.

Chris Williamson 25:26 ... shoes to make face masks.

Jonny 25:26 People will still be buying shoes 'cause everyone want ... Suddenly, like, sorry, ano- another tangent, but something I, I find hilarious is as soon as you tell people not to do something, like how many people do you see jogging now that you've never seen jogging before-

Chris Williamson 25:40 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 25:41 ... that, well-

Chris Williamson 25:42 Forbidden fruit.

Jonny 25:43 Um-

Yusef 25:43 (laughs)

Jonny 25:44 They should say that counting macros increases the risk of catching COVID-19.

Chris Williamson 25:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Narrator 25:51 (laughs)

Jonny 25:51 Like, catching macros and doing a progressively overloaded training program three, four days a week has, has been found to, uh, increase the risk, so and then suddenly-

Chris Williamson 26:00 You're not allowed.

Jonny 26:00 ... everyone else runs.

Chris Williamson 26:00 Wait, no, what you'd need is Boris to come out and say that you're not allowed to do it.

Jonny 26:04 Don't do it, Boris.

Chris Williamson 26:04 "Okay. So today, I, I, I, I really need to warn you against, uh, progressive overload. Sets of between six and 10 reps should ab-"

Jonny 26:14 Don't do it at all.

Chris Williamson 26:14 "... absolutely not. And if your friends ask you to go and do reps between six and 10, you should say, 'Fuck off.'" And, that's it. (laughs)

Yusef 26:24 Have you seen the picture of Boris jogging?

Chris Williamson 26:27 No. (laughs)

Yusef 26:28 There's a picture of him, like, out, out jogging, like, trying to set the example for ... And, and he's, he, it looks like a man has, like, taken the idea of jogging and thought, "I'm gonna implement this in front of a camera."

Jonny 26:40 Like, have you guys seen it?

Yusef 26:41 He's wearing, he's wearing, like, a fleece and, like, khaki shorts.

Jonny 26:45 Oh.

Yusef 26:45 And (laughs) -

Chris Williamson 26:47 For fuck's sake.

Yusef 26:48 Just, like, Boris seen doing his daily exercise of the day, and you're like-

Chris Williamson 26:53 Jesus Christ.

Jonny 26:54 You know when you, you know when you wake up in the morning and there's a moment where, like, you forget what you gotta do today or, like, you forget what you were worrying about yesterday and for, for that, like, brief window, and then you're like, "Oh, fuck yeah, I've got, I've got that on"? Like, that just must be every day for him now.

Chris Williamson 27:06 It's every second.

Jonny 27:06 He's like, "Yeah, work. Hang on. Yeah. I'm prime minister. Prime minister. Oh, brilliant. Oh, fuck. Crap."

Chris Williamson 27:12 Well, what about-

Jonny 27:12 Now I have all these huge decisions.

Chris Williamson 27:14 Him and ... Isn't Rishi ... Rishi's bo- also, um, infected now as well, right?

Jonny 27:20 I don't know.

Chris Williamson 27:20 I think so. I think that's why he's not-

Jonny 27:22 Right.

Chris Williamson 27:22 ... been doing the briefings. But him and Boris, it's like, imagine the fact that not only have you got to try and run the country, but you've now got to try and do it from the fucking, from your house.

Jonny 27:31 Remotely.

Chris Williamson 27:32 Yeah.

Jonny 27:33 Remote prime ministering.

Chris Williamson 27:34 Yeah.

Yusef 27:34 The, there was, there was a few people kicking off on Twitter when they were like, "How come Boris gets a test for coronavirus and I don't get one?" You're like, "Karen." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 27:44 I saw, I saw one-

Jonny 27:45 It's Karen.

Chris Williamson 27:45 I saw one that accused Sharon, and it was like, um, "Why did Boris get a test and I didn't?" And someone had put it in a tweet and said, "Because he runs the country, Sharon, and you ask for the doctor's phone number on Facebook."

Yusef 27:59 That, that was it. Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 28:00 (laughs)

Yusef 28:01 Sorry. Sorry, Karens. It was Sharon. Um-

Chris Williamson 28:05 If there's a Karen or a Sharon listening, we don't mean you, we mean your mum.

Jonny 28:10 (laughs)

Yusef 28:11 (laughs) There was the, the picture of like the ... I can't remember who, she's some kind of, like, public figure, and she's got a, "I want to speak to the manager" haircut. And she tweeted, "Americans need to know when this is gonna end for all small businesses." And, and someone responded being like, "So what you're saying is you want to speak to the manager of coronavirus?"

Chris Williamson 28:31 Yeah. So good, man. Um-

Jonny 28:34 Some, one, one man has been commenting on every single ad we are running at the moment. Like, he's methodically running his way through every variation, which is quite a task. Like, that, it's taking quite a while. And every, everything just says, "Does your, does your free thing that you're giving away take into account COVID-19 and the effect on the economy?" It's like, well, like, no, not really, mate. But like, what's your alternative?

Chris Williamson 28:56 How, how would you-

Jonny 28:57 Like, should no one use anything or do anything-

Chris Williamson 28:59 I mean, how would you-

Jonny 29:00 ... because it might not take into account-

Chris Williamson 29:01 ... how do you propose that you're supposed to change it anyway? Like, what, what would you do that would be different?

Yusef 29:06 Some of the questions we get and we're just like, "Sorry, guys, it's also our first pandemic, so."

Jonny 29:13 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:14 (laughs)

Jonny 29:14 Yeah. We're, we're new to this too. We're just trying our best as well. Leave us alone.

Chris Williamson 29:19 I'm just trying to do me, trying to do me job. Um, in, I, I wanna briefly segue here, PTs, any fitness pro that's listening, obviously now is the perfect time for you to actually learn how to run a business online. Propanebusiness.com/

Jonny 29:37 No. God, Chris. No, no, no, no, no. Chris.

Chris Williamson 29:38 Which one is it?

Jonny 29:39 Don't get it wrong. Propanefitness.com/modernwisdom.

Chris Williamson 29:43 That's it, propanefitness.com/modernwisdom.

Jonny 29:45 Easy.

Chris Williamson 29:45 And you will get a free ... Is it still the seven step thing, the seven step PDF or have you changed it?

Jonny 29:52 It's, yeah, so it's just the, like, the exact seven steps you would need to start a, a really, like, highly systematized functional online business. So, like-

Yusef 30:00 That, that little bit-

Chris Williamson 30:00 No big deal.

Jonny 30:01 Just the seven steps. And it's just free as well, so.

Chris Williamson 30:04 Go and, go and sign up, man. Honestly, like-

Jonny 30:06 It is good. We've had some really good feedback from Modern Wisdom listeners about it, so.

Chris Williamson 30:09 Amazing, man. I, um, I got a bunch of messages about the how to become an online coach thing again. If you haven't heard that, that's f- unbelievable. In fact, just go and listen to that.

Jonny 30:17 Yeah, there's bits that works for that.

Chris Williamson 30:17 Go and listen to that, and if you don't like the sound of being an online coach, don't do it. But, um-

Yusef 30:21 It is brilliant. Everyone came out watching that like this.

Chris Williamson 30:25 Yousa have to put a banana up to his face.

Yusef 30:27 Big smile on the face.

Jonny 30:28 Needs a tattoo, doesn't he?

Chris Williamson 30:29 Big smile.

Jonny 30:29 There is, there is this weird ... I got asked yesterday by, uh-... I think someone who found us through Modern Wisdom, actually. But he was saying, um, "Surely it's never going to work because everyone's trying to be an online coach and, like, like, everyone's using a live video, everyone's doing a story."

Chris Williamson 30:47 Just, just, just so you know. S- s- just-

Jonny 30:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 30:50 Uh, all right, man. I'm, I'm not being funny, right?

Jonny 30:53 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 30:53 I'm not, I'm, I'm not being... Um, honestly, I'm not being funny. But, uh, how, how, how the fuck's this all gonna work? Oh my God. Sorry.

Yusef 31:02 He knows. He knows.

Chris Williamson 31:02 I need to, I need to interject here. Have you seen... Have you looked at the complete torpedoing of his life that Billy Joe Saunders, the boxer, has managed to do in the last seven days?

Jonny 31:14 (laughs) No.

Chris Williamson 31:15 Right, so Yusuf, you might not know who Billy Joe Saunders is. British boxer-

Jonny 31:18 I, I don't know.

Chris Williamson 31:19 Okay, British boxer.

Jonny 31:21 Billy?

Chris Williamson 31:21 Billy Joe Saunders, boxer. Um, so he was lined up to have a huge fight, absolutely massive fight, which has been rearranged. In the time over the last couple of days, he rang an airport that his friend was flying out of to tell them that his friend had coronavirus while he was on the plane. So his friend then got pulled off and detained with his other buddy, and Billy-

Yusef 31:49 What, just to grass up his mate?

Chris Williamson 31:50 Just 'cause he thought he'd be funny, 'cause he's bored.

Jonny 31:52 Oh.

Chris Williamson 31:52 Um, and so that's, that's the first one.

Jonny 31:55 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:55 That's the first one, right? Remembering this guy's a fucking professional athlete. That's the first-

Yusef 31:59 Mid-flight they detained him?

Chris Williamson 32:00 No, no, no. So it's b-... On the runway. So he rings him and he's-

Yusef 32:03 Okay.

Chris Williamson 32:03 He FaceTimed-

Yusef 32:04 That's even worse. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:05 He FaceTimed his friend while his friend was sat in the passenger seat, knowing that this was going to happen, and heard the "Beep boop, can, uh, Derek Knowles please come to the..."

Jonny 32:18 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:18 And it's like... And so that happened. And then, then first off, you've done that, right? Like, awful time to do it, and that got... That was in the press. And then he's boxing in his garage with a punching bag and he's saying to the punching bag, "So guys, you might be at home and your old lady might be giving you a bit of stick and you might be getting a little bit sort of annoyed by it. So you know, what you want to do, yeah, she's coming towards you, she's, she's riled up, yeah, she's, she's angry, what you want to do, you want to bop!" And he throws a punch at the bag and he goes, "So she's stunned, right? She's going, 'What the fuck's going on? W- oh my God.' And then what you want to do, you want to just turn and bop and you finish her off, and then you've got the rest of the afternoon in peace."

Jonny 33:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:05 This video, it was a video-

Jonny 33:07 Oh my God.

Chris Williamson 33:07 ... and it got leaked, and, and now he's banned from boxing for life.

Jonny 33:10 Oh my God.

Yusef 33:11 That's like somebody, um, he, you know, like the... So well, the equivalent of a Frapers but in someone's body. It's like if someone woke up and had like 24 hours-

Jonny 33:21 (laughs)

Yusef 33:21 ... in that man's body to be like, "Right, how can I just-"

Jonny 33:23 "What could I do?"

Chris Williamson 33:24 Yep.

Jonny 33:25 Yeah.

Yusef 33:25 Yeah.

Jonny 33:25 Did he, did he post that video on his social media or has someone-

Chris Williamson 33:27 So I've seen the video. I don't know. It's in, it's in a WhatsApp group. It's long. Uh, it's like a minute and a half long, so I'm gonna guess maybe just in a WhatsApp group. But it's got leaked and now professional boxing license revoked-

Jonny 33:39 God.

Chris Williamson 33:39 ... everything else. Like a, that's a proper one-two punch combination of how to annihilate your own life, isn't it?

Jonny 33:44 Like those two punches ended his, ended his career.

Chris Williamson 33:47 Yeah.

Yusef 33:47 Well, how can you recover from that?

Chris Williamson 33:49 Well, you can't. He's, that's it, done.

Jonny 33:51 I don't think you can. You can't box.

Yusef 33:51 Well, 'cause his, his brand as well, like even, even if you try and launch like a box tutorial online.

Chris Williamson 33:57 Self-develop... Uh, self-defense for women. That would be brilliant, brilliant way to pivot now.

Jonny 34:01 (laughs) Fuck me.

Chris Williamson 34:04 So bad.

Jonny 34:04 Just a, just a total segue, someone who's really pivoted their brand really well, I'm really impressed, but I'd highly recommend everyone go and watch a couple of his videos, is Eddie Hall's YouTube channel.

Chris Williamson 34:13 Unbelievable.

Jonny 34:14 It's fantastic.

Chris Williamson 34:15 Man, he's nailed it.

Jonny 34:16 Fantastic. I just love how he doesn't take himself s-... Like the one with him and Ross Edgley, have you seen that, where they go swimming in the lake?

Chris Williamson 34:22 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:23 I just love how, uh, like Eddie just walks out like in Budgie Smugglers. He's huge, but quite lean now-

Chris Williamson 34:29 Yeah.

Jonny 34:29 ... but just throws himself into anything.

Chris Williamson 34:31 He's really-

Yusef 34:31 Is he not younger than us as well?

Chris Williamson 34:33 He's our age.

Jonny 34:33 Yeah, he's our age.

Chris Williamson 34:33 He's in between our, all of our ages. Yeah. He's I think 31-

Jonny 34:37 Right.

Chris Williamson 34:37 ... maybe. And, um, despite when he was, um, at the peak of Strongman, he looked like 50. Um-

Jonny 34:44 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:44 But yeah, you're, you're totally right, man. There's one with I think, uh, either Nile or his buddy that he did-

Jonny 34:50 Nile the gymnast.

Chris Williamson 34:51 Yep. That was awesome.

Jonny 34:52 Yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:52 He did one with Jamie Johal, um, about bodybuilding goes... Does Strongman. Um, that was really fun. He's sponsored by, uh, Boohoo Ma-... Like he's so trendy. Apart from the way-

Jonny 35:02 I know, he's so trendy.

Chris Williamson 35:02 ... that he looks and the way that he sounds, he's so trendy.

Jonny 35:06 Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's really... So he's got like a proper intro... Uh, he's clearly got someone to help him do it.

Chris Williamson 35:11 Yeah.

Jonny 35:12 Prop... Like he's made a proper go of it with Groom.

Chris Williamson 35:13 Did you see him do... Sorry, did you see him do... Was it Grace or Isabel?

Jonny 35:17 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:17 At the European Championships.

Jonny 35:20 Seriously?

Chris Williamson 35:20 Have you not seen this?

Jonny 35:22 No, no. No.

Chris Williamson 35:22 Jonathan, go and watch it. Go and watch it as soon as we're done.

Jonny 35:25 Okay.

Chris Williamson 35:25 I can't remember whether it's Grace or Isabel. I think it must be... I can't remember. So it's either 30 clean and jerks or 30 s- uh, ground to overhead snatches, um, for time at four... At 62 kilos for men. Um, and obviously Eddie Hall essentially just does a, like an RDL into a good morning into a front raise. Like that's the movement, and he just goes, "Bah, bah, bah." I'm pretty certain-

Jonny 35:52 It's so like him, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 35:53 Mate, I'm pretty certain he's got the world record in it, the same way that, um, what's his face broke the 100 meter.

Jonny 35:57 Brian Shaw.

Chris Williamson 35:58 Yeah, broke the-

Yusef 35:59 Oh, Mariusz Pudzianowski.

Jonny 36:00 It was Brian, Brian Shaw on the... Do you mean Brian Shaw on the rower?

Chris Williamson 36:04 Yeah.

Jonny 36:04 Is that what you mean?

Yusef 36:05 Yeah.

Jonny 36:05 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:06 What was Mariusz Pudzianowski?

Yusef 36:07 I think Mariusz got a decent-

Chris Williamson 36:07 What did he win at?

Yusef 36:08 He was a Polish strongman. I think he got a really good time and then other strongmen started being like, "Ah, I can just-"

Chris Williamson 36:14 Yeah, I can do... Yeah. What other real-

Jonny 36:15 Mariusz was like the... He would... The strongman that was just like peeled all of the time. Like there's loads of footage of him doing like a farmer's walk with like full, like forearm vascularity and striations in his bicep, and everyone's like, "What? Like who's that?"

Chris Williamson 36:27 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 36:28 But he like used to win, win loads of events while being like bodybuilder conditioned constantly. Really fun.

Chris Williamson 36:32 What else have you been, um... So one of the most common questions I'm seeing posted online at the moment is any good...... books, podcasts, Netflix series/movies-

Yusef 36:43 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:43 ... to watch or whatever else. What have you guys been consuming? I guess you, Sef, must be just get home, sleep-

Yusef 36:51 Consuming nothing. (laughs)

Jonny 36:51 Normal life, yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:52 Yeah, well just desperately trying-

Jonny 36:53 Medical, medical information.

Chris Williamson 36:54 ... to survive.

Yusef 36:55 (laughs) Yeah. So for, for me, I, I've not got a very good answer to that. I've, I've seen half of an episode of Tiger King.

Chris Williamson 37:04 Brilliant.

Yusef 37:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:05 Brilliant.

Jonny 37:05 Not Lion King.

Yusef 37:07 Which wh- which Chris mentioned yesterday, he said, "Yusuf, that's the equivalent for you of watching" (laughs) -

Chris Williamson 37:12 (laughs)

Yusef 37:12 ... "watching a back-to-back Lord of the Rings triathlon."

Chris Williamson 37:15 Marathon. Yeah. (laughs) It is. Watching half an episode, I'm surprised that you got through half an episode. But it is brilliant. You haven't seen that yet, have you, Jonny?

Jonny 37:23 So, so ha- I got that message from ... So, so Becca and I tried to watch it like a week ago, got like half an hour in and we were like, "This is a bit weird. Might, might give up on this."

Chris Williamson 37:33 Mm.

Jonny 37:33 Kept seeing stuff on Instagram about it, kept saying to her like, "There's a lot of stuff about this series, like, it, it is number one in the UK." Then you sent me that message and I was like, being like, "Yusuf's watched half of it, like wi-

Chris Williamson 37:45 (laughs)

Jonny 37:45 ... if Yusuf watched a bit of it, we're, we're gonna have t-

Chris Williamson 37:46 And did, and what did she say? Did she say-

Yusef 37:48 Absolutely canaries in a coal mine.

Chris Williamson 37:50 ... "What? Oh, my god."

Jonny 37:50 She was like, she was like, "Oh, fine."

Yusef 37:51 Yeah.

Jonny 37:51 So like last night, we, we like made it through like I think we're on the second episode and I think-

Yusef 37:56 He's a good marketer.

Jonny 37:57 ... slowly it, sort of the curtains, and I'm like, "Oh, okay. Felt like fair enough." It's just-

Chris Williamson 38:03 There you go.

Jonny 38:03 But uh, it, yeah. I don't know what to say, to be honest it's-

Chris Williamson 38:06 You know on, you know on, you know on Facebook you can mark yourself safe from natural disasters? So there's like tsunamis and things and it's like, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jonathan Watson has marked himself safe from-

Jonny 38:16 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:17 ... the Thailand tsunami or whatever. Um, I saw on Facebook the other day, someone who had marked themselves safe from that bitch Carole Baskin.

Yusef 38:26 (laughs)

Jonny 38:33 (laughs) Do you rememb- what was, what was that TV, uh, it was a, it was either a single episode or it was a series where like, there was like an abduction and it ended up with like the dad like giving the bloke a hand job in a car.

Chris Williamson 38:46 Oh, fuck yeah.

Jonny 38:46 And like-

Yusef 38:47 Oh, oh, Sia, Festival. No. (laughs)

Jonny 38:50 No. (laughs) No. No. That's just very-

Chris Williamson 38:51 (laughs) You've delved into Yusuf's two Netflix seriey repository of information that he's got there.

Yusef 38:57 He's used them like puppets.

Chris Williamson 38:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Yusef 38:59 I'd be so bad on like these game shows where they're like, "Topic is movies." I'm like, "Great, I've seen three. Okay, I can do this." Yeah.

Chris Williamson 39:06 Hope it's one of them.

Jonny 39:06 Is it, hold on, is it Fight Club? No. Oh, right, sorry.

Chris Williamson 39:09 Yeah. I'm out. That's it. I'm off.

Yusef 39:10 No, no, no, no.

Chris Williamson 39:12 Yeah, I know the one-

Yusef 39:13 It's, it's Brad Pitt.

Jonny 39:13 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:13 Yeah, I know the one that ... I know the one that you mean, Jonny. So, um, okay, you've not been consuming an awful lot, Sef. What have you been watching or listening to or enjoying, Jonny?

Jonny 39:22 Well, so the, so that's the thing I'm, I'm currently ... I've just started watching. Ozark is just i- in my opinion the best thing on TV. Mainly because I just really like the main character.

Chris Williamson 39:34 Why?

Jonny 39:34 Jason Bateman's character.

Yusef 39:36 He's an accountant.

Jonny 39:37 He's just, so he is an accountant. But that's ... It's, it's more like ... And you'll see this from the first series. He's plunged into a very stressful situation (laughs) like he's being pursued by a Mexican cartel, um, because he's involved in laundering money for them and they start like, they find out that he's been doing some naughty things or whatever. I'll not ruin it for people. But he just remains completely calm the entire time.

Chris Williamson 40:00 (laughs)

Jonny 40:00 And he's just being like ... His wife's like panicking, he's just like, "It's okay, we'll go here, do this, go there. They're probably won't be able to find us. It'll all be fine." And he's just always on his laptop, looking at the high level, looking at the spreadsheet for how to solve the situation. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 40:15 I love it.

Jonny 40:16 It's brilliant.

Chris Williamson 40:17 So good.

Jonny 40:17 Brilliant.

Chris Williamson 40:18 Um-

Jonny 40:18 So that, that and Liar on BBC.

Chris Williamson 40:21 What else?

Yusef 40:21 That's like you, Chris.

Chris Williamson 40:22 Liar?

Jonny 40:22 Go on, sorry.

Chris Williamson 40:25 Liar on BBC? What's that?

Jonny 40:27 Liar. Yeah. So, um, it's in the second season now. Um, I think the first ... Oh, it might be on ITV actually. Basically, a, there's a surgeon who, uh ... I don't know how to say this without ruining the story. He gets accused of, um, raping someone and then the, the season unfolds, the story un- unfolds. It's very good.

Chris Williamson 40:51 British actors, British drama.

Jonny 40:53 Brit- it's the guy who played Hornblower.

Chris Williamson 40:57 (laughs)

Jonny 40:58 (laughs) It's like-

Chris Williamson 40:59 Nope.

Jonny 40:59 ... I only know him ... So like I looked him up on IMDb, um-

Chris Williamson 41:03 (laughs)

Jonny 41:03 Yeah, br- br- ... I looked him up on IMDb but it, the thing I remember, like I just remember seeing an episode when I was like eight, of Hornblower on TV. And I was like, "Oh, that's the guy who played" ... two episodes before-

Chris Williamson 41:12 That's the fella that played Hornblower.

Jonny 41:14 He's doing loads of stuff. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:16 Just, just, just so you're n- just so you know.

Jonny 41:18 Just so you know.

Chris Williamson 41:19 ... this shows me I'm not being funny, right?

Jonny 41:21 Um, that, uh, not The Lion King but Tiger King.

Chris Williamson 41:25 Yep.

Jonny 41:26 Um, (smacks lips) I got an Apple TV trial.

Chris Williamson 41:31 All right.

Jonny 41:32 I want something called The Servant by M. Night Shyamalan. And then I-

Chris Williamson 41:36 So they, they're, they're a n- only a, an, like a stick, but also a production studio as well?

Jonny 41:44 So they've now basically made their own Netflix, yeah.

Chris Williamson 41:46 Good.

Jonny 41:46 And as you'd expect from Apple, like pretty much every single one of the like Apple Originals has got like Jennifer Aniston in. Or like-

Chris Williamson 41:54 Hell no.

Jonny 41:54 ... you know, they've all got bit like Hollywood actors in.

Chris Williamson 41:57 Big swinging, yeah.

Jonny 41:58 Yeah. Well, 'cause th- it's like what do you do when you've, when you've got a trillion dollars of cash? You're like, "Well, we'd like to make something that's like as good as Netflix. What might we do?" Well-

Chris Williamson 42:07 Do you reckon Jennifer Aniston gets paid in cash? I reckon she does.

Jonny 42:11 (laughs) I don't know. I think it's probably, probably has to go into a bank account.

Chris Williamson 42:17 Ah. Shame.

Jonny 42:19 If you watch Ozark ...

Yusef 42:20 ... it's my view it's only, it's only Apple that could step in and be like, "We'll, we'll have a go at Netflix." Like-

Chris Williamson 42:25 Yeah.

Yusef 42:25 ... "We'll, we'll take that on."

Chris Williamson 42:26 We'll just have a crack, yeah. Jon, Jon. Do you fancy, um, do you fancy starting up Apple, Apple Studios?

Jonny 42:33 It's ...

Chris Williamson 42:33 Ah, well, yeah, no worries, I will. Um, so cool stuff-

Jonny 42:38 Is it John Apple by actually-

Chris Williamson 42:39 Cool stuff that I've consumed recently. I sent you guys the link to that Fat Tony video, didn't I? The guy that spent a million pounds on drugs.... I put it in the, I put it in the Big Dicks group in, on WhatsApp.

Jonny 42:51 Is it someone that you've just, uh, you, you're-

Chris Williamson 42:53 Booked him for the podcast as well, yeah. So he's-

Jonny 42:55 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 42:55 MixMag uploaded a Facebook video. Why? Why would you... Anyway, so they uploaded this really well-produced, full documentary, 20-minute documentary, edited, archive footage, interviews with him and his mum following him around. It's just this guy who at the age of 16 managed to kind of spawn his way into being a DJ, and then s- became best friends with Boy George, Paris Hilton, like everyone, every single, gave 'em... Who's that famous British model that loves drugs, female?

Jonny 43:28 exhales ] I don't know, Chris.

Chris Williamson 43:30 Get the London look. You will do f- like... Oh my God.

Yusef 43:34 Bradley Pitt.

Chris Williamson 43:36 No.

Jonny 43:36 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 43:37 Kate Moss.

Jonny 43:39 Right.

Chris Williamson 43:39 Kate Moss, 15-year-old Kate Moss giving her Long Island iced teas in a school uniform outside of the club like 30 years ago or some shit. So anyway, it's just this epic story. Um, and I messaged him on his Facebook fan page and was like, "Hey man, this is cool as fuck. I want to get you on the podcast. Would you, would you do it?" Um, and he said yeah. So that's pretty fun. That'll be good. He was DJing for Harvey Nichols last night, live stream. Like so he's, he's pretty, he's huge time.

Jonny 44:06 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:07 Um, so he-

Jonny 44:07 Doing quite well.

Chris Williamson 44:08 That was interesting. If you, if you want to go watch that, that's cool. Um, Ben Shapiro's podcast right now is a godsend because he does it every day, Monday to Friday, one hour, and it recaps the last 24 hours. Usually it means he's got to really delve into the depths of news to find something that's interesting so it's really dispersed. But because there's-

Jonny 44:30 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:30 ... so much happening every day at the moment-

Jonny 44:33 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:33 ... you get to know where the current death rates are, you get to find out what com- what policies are happening that are going well and what are going badly. Um, so he is producing content now at the cadence that you want someone should produce content. Of course-

Yusef 44:46 That sounds really useful actually, 'cause I, 'cause trying to find a synthesized version of like... 'Cause the only thing that I've been defaulting to, which is Ben, Ben's recommendation, if you, if you're listening, Ben, thank you, is Worldometer-

Chris Williamson 44:58 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 44:58 ... which just has global graphs, trend lines, logar- logarithmic scales of things, new cases, recoveries, and deaths. But I still, it, that's not really-

Chris Williamson 45:08 You got to do work there, right, as well? It's, uh, you know, you're driving to work or doing whatever. Ben Shapiro's podcast, man, every, every morning now part of my morning routine is listening to that while I cook. Um, so yeah, you get an episode... In the UK you'll be listening on a Tuesday up until a, on a Saturday, and then he gets Sunday, Monday off because he, he takes the weekend off. But he's brilliant. Like he's absolutely amazing. The only thing I would say is if you are listening, every time that he goes, "We'll come back to that in just one second," immediately say, "Hey Siri, skip forward 90 seconds." Because that's the beginning of the new-

Yusef 45:41 Does that work with Siri?

Chris Williamson 45:43 Yeah.

Yusef 45:44 Wow.

Chris Williamson 45:45 Yeah. That's why you need AirPods, man.

Yusef 45:46 That's cool.

Jonny 45:47 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:50 (laughs) Um...

Yusef 45:51 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:51 (laughs) Um, look at your face. (laughs)

Yusef 45:54 Here we go.

Chris Williamson 45:55 Um, what other, what other stuff have I been consuming that's been cool? I mean, I've really, really been super, super impressed by Ben Shapiro's podcast. Tiger King was awesome. The Vietnam War documentary by Ken Burns, fucking sick. Um, the UK and US Office have both just been put on, I think, Netflix or maybe there've been extra episodes added so my housemates have been watching that. Um...

Jonny 46:17 I really like the US Office.

Chris Williamson 46:18 It's better than the-

Jonny 46:19 I just, I think-

Chris Williamson 46:19 ... better than the UK one I think in some, in some respects.

Jonny 46:21 Yeah. I j- yeah. It's, um, is it Steve Carell?

Chris Williamson 46:24 Yeah.

Yusef 46:24 Oh!

Jonny 46:24 Is that the character, like I just, he can do no wrong. (laughs) Like I just really enjoy how he like muddles his way through and ends up doing quite well.

Chris Williamson 46:33 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 46:33 Really funny. Good. Um, I watched something last night called Official Secrets, a film with Becca.

Chris Williamson 46:39 All right.

Jonny 46:40 It's about like, um, the theory that, uh, evidence was doctored to k- to start the Iraq War.

Chris Williamson 46:48 Shit.

Jonny 46:49 Good.

Yusef 46:49 cure at night.

Chris Williamson 46:50 Is it... Oh, it's dramatized.

Jonny 46:52 Yeah, it's a drama, yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:52 Oh, I have seen, I have seen that. It's a British thing, right? And she goes to that lady's cottage and is like, "Oh, will you leak this thing for me?" Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 46:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yusef 46:59 Mi- So my brother sent me a WhatsApp voice message. It was 30 minutes long. It wasn't him, it was like forward from something and it was like, "Listen, brothers and sisters in faith. This is really important scientifically, logically, and practically because what is happening here is a huge cover-up and you need to know this as people of faith we need to raise our vibrations because the setting up of 5G is what is calling, causing the coronavirus. There is no such thing as contagion. There is no such thing as virus. When the 5G comes on, it releases toxin in, out of your cells and it has to come out of your mouth."

Chris Williamson 47:38 (laughs)

Yusef 47:38 "And nobody has ever proven that a virus can be contagious. We even took the s- the, the sputum, the phlegm out of someone with flu, injected it into someone else and we could not reproduce it. I- i- it is 5G, it is causing our cells to, uh, and, and it's like, i- i- to make the people more obedient." And you just, so like I started playing it in the doctor's office and everyone was just like, "Keep that on." No, no. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 48:06 (laughs) Just slowly riling everyone up and getting them really, really angry.

Yusef 48:09 (laughs)

Jonny 48:10 I've seen quite a bit, I've been sending it to Yousef, like there's a few guys that we vaguely follow who are, um, coaches but have a certain set of beliefs, um, that aren't necessarily very evidenced-based. Um, and they say, they're saying things-

Yusef 48:26 That's very, very diplomatic, Johnny. (laughs)

Jonny 48:28 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so h- yeah, he's, he's been saying like this is all just, it's 5G. And like we saw the same guy say if you, if you like get ill, don't go to hospital, like go into the forest and let nature heal you and all that sort of stuff. Like I think I'm a- I'm all up for everyone having an opinion unle- until it's dangerous.... and then I think it should just, should just be regulation to stop.

Yusef 48:53 Yeah. I- I-

Jonny 48:54 Like-

Yusef 48:55 I mean, the, l- luckily, the, at the minute, I think what's happening is that unnecessary admissions are likely to drop in hospitals because current, now the risk of being in hospital is much worse than the risk of being out of hospital. And so if there's something like... And I think this is going to be a huge shift for healthcare as a whole in six months time, because now that we've got the infrastructure that has never really been used at its capacity, um-

Jonny 49:25 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 49:25 ... is that there's gonna be a shift towards online consultations and away from a lot of stuff that doesn't need to be done in person. And I think this is probably the catalyst for that, where they're starting to realize that so many things, so many like inefficiencies that were previously just let to carry on, now where they're like, "Oh, actually we're, we're forced to really keep people out of hospital at any cost." It's gonna cause this huge cultural shift, like not only with healthcare but with attitudes towards, uh, you know, the obviously the... Even just socially, people are gonna come out and realize what they've, what they've been missing, the, just the social interactions that they've been having, um, and-

Jonny 50:08 The companies that like-

Yusef 50:09 ... like recognizing that free healthcare is something that-

Jonny 50:10 ... haven't invested in IT. Sorry.

Yusef 50:12 Oh, yeah, massively.

Jonny 50:13 Yeah.

Yusef 50:13 And, um, what was it, uh, Naval Ravikant was talking about... I think it was him, talking about maybe 20% of the workforce... I can't remember if we said this on the last one. He said like about 20% of the workforce have just like silently been able to just get grandfathered into whatever they're doing in the company, and they're just in the corners of the offices, and they don't really do anything, but no one's ever kind of questioned it. And actually, if they were to just be eliminated from the workforce, nothing would change.

Chris Williamson 50:42 I couldn't agree more. There's so much fat in companies, and especially when you look at big bureaucratic organizations, probably in knowledge work, not so much in op- ops and logistics and like real shit, um, the number of team leaders, area managers, office managers, you know, like all of that sort of stuff, the people who aren't either making the main decisions at the top or nose to the grindstone at the bottom, all of those ones are going, they should really be worried. And rightly so, if you're a business who can rip out 20% of your costs during this period and really look... So I spoke to Mike Winnet. Mike.

Yusef 51:25 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 51:25 Uh, all right, guys, here is my contrapreneur. Um, spoke to Mike Winnet. He was a, a, imagine this, sorry. Mike was on holiday in the Canary Islands with his friends when the lockdown occurred.

Jonny 51:38 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 51:39 So he was locked in a hotel.

Yusef 51:41 The Canary Islands because it's tax haven or just for-

Chris Williamson 51:44 Oh, it was holiday, like Easter holiday with the kids or something?

Yusef 51:46 Just a holiday.

Chris Williamson 51:46 Yeah, yeah. So he's locked there. Anyway, he came back and, um, I asked him, I was like, "Hey man, like, how's everything going?" He's like, "I'm forced now to really look at the processes and the operations within my business and refine them down to their component parts." Had this guy called Mike Michalowicz last night as well, wrote a book called Fix This Next, which has just come out, and it's, what he's talking about is absolutely perfect. It's like if you don't have a procedure that is how to be Jonathan Watson.doc in your business so that you could... And you guys have been saying this for years, the E-Myth thing, I think that you always quote where it's like, if you can't exit the business and the business run without you because there's processes and procedures and order in place, like-

Jonny 52:28 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 52:28 ... there, there's a big hole that's missing.

Yusef 52:30 Well, that, well, it's just that you've created a job, not created a business.

Chris Williamson 52:33 (laughs) Yeah.

Jonny 52:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:35 Um, so yeah, I mean that's, that's... It is gonna be interesting to see sort of where businesses go. So I want to... Sunny Webster asked me this on a, a IG Live the other day, and I thought it was a really cool question. So let's do a little roundtable of two things that we've been extra grateful for, that we're grateful for during this period, and one thing that we miss the most. Johnny.

Jonny 53:02 Uh, one thing I miss the most is just seeing people, I think, um, like spending time in person with like friends and family. Um, two things I'm grateful for, uh, it's probably because it's quite a long list to be honest. Like grateful I don't have coronavirus, grateful my, like none of my immediate family do, um, or friends. Um, but like in terms of probably what you're asking the question for, I think we've been really grateful for the way our business is set up. Like it's not, we're not... We don't have like debt. We don't have really high costs. It's all pretty easy to pivot and adapt, and it feels very much like the, as Yusuf says, said at the start, like the risks that we took several years ago, um, you know, kind of like the, the tables have turned a little bit, and actually what we're doing is now pretty stable compared to some industries, which feels like to be like-

Chris Williamson 53:53 So bizarre. Yeah, you're the safe, the safe and stable people now somehow.

Jonny 53:59 I know. Like the people, you know, like even like, um, I was hearing that like dentists, uh, uh, like are in, in quite a high risk job now, and you'd be like, "When, when in history has dentistry ever been considered to be like not stable?"

Chris Williamson 54:12 (laughs)

Jonny 54:12 It's bizarre, but now like-

Chris Williamson 54:13 It's wild, isn't it?

Jonny 54:14 ... running a fitness business on the internet is like, you'll probably be all right.

Chris Williamson 54:17 Yeah.

Jonny 54:17 You know, it's just like, it's weird. Um, so that, and then I think just, I think hugely coincidentally for me, the start of this year was like, right, I'm gonna really like... We spoke about this in the, in the podcast, I'm gonna really like buckle down on like my morning routine every day, wake up at the same time every day, um, like doing stuff like cold showers and Wim Hof, like stuff to make me feel good. I feel like that I was doing it for like 90 days almost, and then it was like lockdown, and you're like, "Ugh."

Chris Williamson 54:46 Here we go.

Jonny 54:47 I actually feel like... I feel like mentally in, in like a better place than I have been previously and more, more consistent with stuff. So, grateful that I'd been doing that up to now.... um, because I felt-

Yusef 54:56 And I'm sure there's things for your HRV as well, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 54:59 Yeah. I'm so happy-

Jonny 55:00 It has been.

Chris Williamson 55:00 I'm so happy with watching... I'm j- happy and jealous in equal measure watching the progress that you've made over the last 90 days, especially as someone for whom I wouldn't have presumed there was lots of low-hanging fruit left.

Jonny 55:12 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 55:12 It's not like this is your first foray into personal development-

Jonny 55:15 No.

Chris Williamson 55:15 ... and you're like, "Oh, well, I started sleeping with me phone outside of me bedroom."

Jonny 55:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 55:19 And I was like, "Oh my God." And then I turned the speed up on me trackpad, and I went, "I'm moving so much faster."

Jonny 55:24 What? (laughs)

Yusef 55:25 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 55:25 "And I'm loading this program called Alfred." Um, like, yeah, to see someone who you already presume is somewhere close to the top of their game make an outwardly noticeable, like, upgrade is pretty legit. So I'm, uh, I'm super happy for you man. I think that's fucking... That is cool. Really, really cool.

Jonny 55:45 Yeah, it's been good. It's been good.

Chris Williamson 55:47 Seth, what about you?

Yusef 55:48 So I've got, I've got lots of mini things. The, the thing I miss the most is being at home, like just being able to spend time at home, which is ironic because-

Chris Williamson 55:56 Well, it's all right for you, but...

Yusef 55:57 Yeah, exactly. (laughs) I think I'm just jealous of everyone who is able to be at home and self-isolate and has so much opportunity to do loads with it. But as you said, Chris, like the challenge then is being able to capitalize on that when you're not used to it and having to actually... You got so many hours of the day to then be able to do something with it. Many things that I'm looking forward to and grateful for, so cashless payments, as Johnny said, like it's well overdue. I can't wait for the Apple Card.

Chris Williamson 56:25 Oh, no.

Yusef 56:25 (laughs) This is in order of increasing importance. So capacity for medical equipment, so ventilators and the... having like motor companies being able to create ventilators, like independent open-sourcing of 3D printing for, for making, making extra tubes and valves. And it's like, that is fantastic, and it's, it's all this capacity that we already had, but just being able to then say like people with 3D printers at home and not doing bot all with it, and suddenly they're like, "Ah, right. Here's what we can actually put this effort into." Um, grateful for family, especially older relatives, and just thinking like, "Actually I've taken these people for granted." But something like this, you know, there's a... when someone has limited health reserve, like a small knock can completely, can completely throw them off the, uh, off-balance. Um, as well as my own health, and, you know, all, all of our, all of our health is still not something that's guaranteed. And I think even though we're, we're young, it's, it's made everyone rethink their mortality a little bit and think actually like, "Young people can die from this as well." And so access to healthcare and the fact that we can, you know, m- maintaining our own health is within our hands is great. And so maybe that's... Maybe I was a bit cynical about people that are, like, going out for jogs just because they've been told not to. Like, perhaps it is that they're also motivated by like, "Oh, now I need to get into shape, and, you know, I need to go outdoors." And so that's, that's certainly... those are some things I'm grateful for. Something I'm less grateful for is... Well, go ahead.

Jonny 58:03 Just, uh, it's just related to that. What's the guy called who's a competitive eater whose name's Pete?

Yusef 58:08 Furious Pete.

Jonny 58:10 Yeah, so he, um, he got diagnosed with testicular cancer, like, I don't know, like a, a couple years ago, I think. Um, and I saw a video of him, like, telling his followers about it. And he's obvi- it's obviously very emotional, but something that he said and something that I think I felt, I've realized recently, um, is he said, like, when he was diagnosed with it, a lot of people when they get something like that, like they become more aware of their mortality. Obviously, that's a lot more, um, severe than, than what we're all going through, but, um... or a lot more sudden, I should say. So he said, like, "I realized I just wouldn't do anything differently. Like, I, I, I like my life how it is." Like, "I wouldn't..." A lot of people have a shock like that, and they're like, "Right, I need to change how I approach my health. I need to change up my career," and all these sorts of things. And he was like, "Nope, just would be doing exactly the same thing. I wouldn't change anything."

Yusef 58:56 Ah, that's really cool.

Chris Williamson 58:57 That's so good.

Jonny 58:58 Like, so nice as a confirmation if that's how you feel, but also, like, if you get through this and you don't have... you don't get the virus, or you don't have serious effects from it all, and all your family and your friends are okay, like, it's actually a great thing to have happened to just remind you, like, by the way, like, all the stuff you kind of take for granted all the time, it's not guaranteed. Like, do you need a, a course correction?

Yusef 59:20 Yeah, that's, that is brilliant. And to be able to have that realization and be like, "You know what? I'm pretty happy with how things have gone," is amazing.

Jonny 59:27 (laughs)

Yusef 59:27 Like, he-

Chris Williamson 59:27 What's the thing you like-

Yusef 59:27 If anyone hasn't seen Furious Pete-

Chris Williamson 59:29 Yeah.

Yusef 59:29 ... like he-

Jonny 59:30 He's awesome.

Yusef 59:31 There's a video where he, like, he drinks a bottle of olive oil, one where he drinks a g- a, a... So these are different, like, macros he drinks. Uh, where he has, uh, a tub of whey just like the... That, just makes it into a paste and just pounds it in about f- six minutes. Um, there's one where he drinks a gallon of honey, a, a gallo- 4,700 grams of carbs.

Chris Williamson 59:51 (laughs)

Jonny 59:52 He'd be... Chris, he'd be great to have on, on Modern Wisdom.

Yusef 59:55 He actually would. He's a lot of fun.

Jonny 59:57 I... Yeah.

Chris Williamson 59:57 He, he'd be cool.

Jonny 59:58 He's just got some really... He's got some really, like, strong aspects to his character that I think he's put himself through a lot of... He's been through a lot of stuff-

Chris Williamson 1:00:07 Mm.

Jonny 1:00:07 ... and has still just got a great outlook on it all.

Chris Williamson 1:00:09 That's cool.

Jonny 1:00:10 Um-

Chris Williamson 1:00:10 What was the thing that you-

Jonny 1:00:12 And he can be an int- like an introvert.

Chris Williamson 1:00:12 ... that you were, that you were less grateful for, Seth?

Yusef 1:00:15 My upstairs neighbor has taken up the drums.

Chris Williamson 1:00:19 (laughs)

Yusef 1:00:19 Like, she doesn't miss the times taking up the drums, and is having a lot more sex.

Chris Williamson 1:00:25 (laughs)

Yusef 1:00:27 But, like, the, the... So, and it's directly above my bedroom, and it's at all times of the day because no one has any schedule anymore. And the headboard i- is... So the reason I can differentiate between drums and sex is that the sex ha- doesn't have a defined tempo and accelerates and then stops suddenly, and it's against the wall. So, like, as in the, like, the headboard banging against the wall. Like, on one hand, I'm like, I'm quite impressed with how much of a, like, stallion the boyfriend is because it goes on for-... ages, um, and just multiple, multiple times a day at random times. Um, but it's very disruptive, especially when you're trying to record something. And it's a very difficult problem to have to be like, "Excuse me, I'm trying to record. Can you just keep down the echo for a minute?"

Chris Williamson 1:01:14 Have you, uh, excuse me, have you, have you signed up to our free webinar? Because if you have, you'll hear yourself in the background.

Yusef 1:01:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:01:20 Um, so can I, I wanna, I wanna just delve, let's do a deep dive on this. Can we talk about cadence, please? I mean, are we like, uh, is he a...

Yusef 1:01:31 (clapping) A bit faster.

Jonny 1:01:34 Okay.

Yusef 1:01:35 (clapping)

Jonny 1:01:35 That's maintained. I can be slower than that.

Yusef 1:01:37 But it's, it's, it's like intermittent rhythmics.

Chris Williamson 1:01:40 It varies then.

Yusef 1:01:42 Whereas the drums you can hit like different kits of the drums, and it's, you know...

Chris Williamson 1:01:47 Yeah.

Yusef 1:01:48 Kit. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:01:48 Yeah. Okay, what's the-

Yusef 1:01:48 Like there's a bass, snare and cymbals.

Chris Williamson 1:01:49 What's the average, what's the average duration?

Yusef 1:01:53 30 to 40 minutes.

Chris Williamson 1:01:54 Wow.

Jonny 1:01:54 Which is?

Chris Williamson 1:01:55 An, an, an average cadence of...

Yusef 1:01:58 (snapping) It alt- it, it does vary. So he periodizes it a bit.

Jonny 1:02:01 And that's multiple times a day?

Chris Williamson 1:02:02 F-ing hell.

Yusef 1:02:04 It's like 1:00 in the morning and stuff, and you're just like, "Ugh." Like I'm-

Jonny 1:02:08 So here's something for you, right? And it's not necessarily related to that, but it's on the same theme. I have just bought the best eye mask I've ever, ever used.

Chris Williamson 1:02:17 Explain. Tell us more. I want to know.

Jonny 1:02:19 It's, I think it's called like Alaska Bear, I think it's called.

Chris Williamson 1:02:22 Okay.

Jonny 1:02:23 It was like 15 quid. So it's, it's, there's, there's, um, concave, convex? Concave. So there's like circles that press around your eyes that are very soft.

Chris Williamson 1:02:33 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 1:02:33 So you can move your eye, you can blink and move your eyes. There's nothing actually pressing your eyes. Problem I always have with my, with eye masks, I pull them off in the night because it feels too pressured on my face. With these, I don't have that. And the, um, the rings basically create a, like as, as close to a full suction because they're foam. So they adapt to your, the contours of your face. So we have, on the other side of our bedroom, a kid who plays video games until... I mean, it's not quite the same, like...

Chris Williamson 1:03:01 (clapping)

Yusef 1:03:01 (laughs)

Jonny 1:03:02 But it's, it's a similar problem. So I'm like, I've been, I've been having this thing on my mind of like, I should just get like a full s- head sleep kit that can, I can just go boom, just drop in, drop into...

Yusef 1:03:12 Earplugs and-

Jonny 1:03:13 Yeah, yeah. You see these things that are like full, like wraparound-

Chris Williamson 1:03:17 Man. Oh-

Jonny 1:03:17 ... with noise-canceling stuff, put in them and...

Chris Williamson 1:03:20 The, the-

Jonny 1:03:20 You should get one of them.

Chris Williamson 1:03:20 Funnily enough, just-

Yusef 1:03:22 That'd be cool.

Chris Williamson 1:03:22 Just so you know, the episode which went out on Monday just gone in podcast land, because this is going to go out on Thursday, the episode which went out on Monday just gone is Ben Greenfield talking about his entire daily routine from waking until sleeping at night, including every product he uses, all of the different sleep masks, what he, he does a, a fucking oil pull in his mouth after he uses a copper tongue scraper. And it's a combination of coconut and-

Jonny 1:03:51 I've heard him talk about this, yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:03:52 Mate, it is hun- must be 100 plus things that he drops.

Jonny 1:03:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:03:56 But he's got the brand of eye mask he uses, the brand of red, blue blocking glasses that he uses, like everything, everything full works. And it's-

Jonny 1:04:04 I, I've listened to, he was on the Whoop podcast, I think.

Chris Williamson 1:04:06 With what-

Jonny 1:04:07 So I've li- I've listened to him talk about it. And he, he just mentions these things like, "And then I go in this room and I use this like chili wave, and then I use the, like the Z mask and then these things." And I'm like looking all these up. I was like, "That's five grand. That's 10 grand."

Chris Williamson 1:04:21 (laughs)

Jonny 1:04:21 That's 1500 quid.

Chris Williamson 1:04:22 Yeah.

Jonny 1:04:22 And you're just like, "Bloody..." I mean, I'm sure he gets it for-

Chris Williamson 1:04:25 Nothing.

Jonny 1:04:26 ... some kind of sponsorship deal, but-

Chris Williamson 1:04:27 Man, so he told me about this feature.

Jonny 1:04:28 ... pulling oil thing.

Chris Williamson 1:04:29 So I, I thought that we were pretty leveled up by having sunrise alarm clocks and by being woken up by light. Like, ugh, those, those f- fucking prehistoric-

Yusef 1:04:39 Clamps. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:04:40 Yeah, those, the, the proletariat down there getting woken up by sound like it's the 1900s. Fuck them. Um, Ben Greenfield sleeps on a ChiliMat. And I didn't realize that the ChiliMat has a function where it can heat up at a time or cool down at a time. So you can be woken up by heat or cold. Holy fucking shit.

Yusef 1:05:02 However, you, anyone can do that right now, like just thermostat.

Chris Williamson 1:05:08 Yeah.

Jonny 1:05:09 Temperature.

Yusef 1:05:09 The heater on a timer for the morning and just full blast it.

Chris Williamson 1:05:11 I think the main reason-

Yusef 1:05:12 6:00 AM.

Chris Williamson 1:05:13 I think the main reason that he has it that way is because he sleeps on one side and his missus sleeps on the other. Um-

Yusef 1:05:17 Oh, they've got differential things, haven't they?

Chris Williamson 1:05:19 Oh, they've got different, they've got different settings, yeah, which is just...

Jonny 1:05:23 Why is there not an eye mask with lights in it?

Yusef 1:05:26 There is.

Jonny 1:05:27 Oh, is there? That, that, and do they light, light up at a time?

Yusef 1:05:29 Sorry, but it's not designed to wake you up. It's designed to induce lucid dreaming. So it detects when you're in REM sleep and it starts flashing in a certain pattern designed to, somehow designed to keep you asleep, but to like trigger that you are dreaming and then-

Chris Williamson 1:05:43 Hmm. That's interesting.

Yusef 1:05:44 ... have a lucid dream.

Jonny 1:05:45 Wow.

Chris Williamson 1:05:45 That's funny. So I'll do, um, I'll do a couple other things that I've been grateful for and, uh, and some stuff that I miss. Um, definitely grateful for mom and dad's health. Like, that's just, you know, you totally do... I, I'm also grateful that they have each other and have the dogs, 'cause again, hearing about-

Yusef 1:06:02 Possibly.

Chris Williamson 1:06:02 ... hearing about older people, like people's parents, people's grandparents living on their own at the moment, fearing for your health, like it must be just so challenging. So yeah, super, super grateful for that. Um, for me as well, like the trading circle thing that I have been a part of for the last few months, I got added to this, um, managed trading account and the returns that they've seen, especially recently have been fantastic. So the fact that I have a source of income coming through that, which is very anti-fragile given the current situation, that's been... I literally can't believe like the returns on that, which is great. And also the opportunity to do these podcasts, like that's, you know, I'm doing... Next week I've got six episodes booked in and it doesn't feel laborious-

Yusef 1:06:47 Mad.

Chris Williamson 1:06:47 ... because like that's what my day now is, you know, that's my work bit of the day and then all the other stuff. Um, and thing that I miss, you two, miss seeing you two, miss going out for like sauna, chicken coop, like getting to, to-

Yusef 1:07:03 Have you, have you wondered what's happening to the sauna? Like-Do you reckon the owner is just using it as his private sauna? Or is it just molding, is it just sap money?

Chris Williamson 1:07:10 Aw, it's got to be turned off by now. I mean, it must sap a lot-

Jonny 1:07:12 Is it not just a Jesmond pool, or do you go somewhere else now?

Chris Williamson 1:07:15 Yeah, Jesmond pool. Jesmond pool. But it must be sapping-

Jonny 1:07:18 There'll just be-

Chris Williamson 1:07:18 ... a lot of energy.

Yusef 1:07:21 Hmm.

Jonny 1:07:21 Yeah, it costs a lot to run, doesn't it?

Yusef 1:07:22 I think they'll just have it turned off.

Chris Williamson 1:07:23 Yeah, if they keep it on, that's very ballsy.

Yusef 1:07:25 A- almost certainly. Yeah. (laughs) It's going to stink when they come back in.

Chris Williamson 1:07:28 Why?

Jonny 1:07:28 I th- there's a ... I ha- I have a client who's a, he's a, like a PT at a leisure center. Um, and he was saying that they, there's like a concern over like maintaining the pool and stuff like that. Because obviously it's just a big vat of like chlorine water, that a l- a l- a lot of the time has circulation to keep it-

Chris Williamson 1:07:46 Pumps running, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 1:07:46 But like I don't know how you then like, when you come back, do you need to like fully drain it and then re-fill everything?

Yusef 1:07:52 You can just ... I think just pull the plug at the beginning of a pandemic.

Jonny 1:07:55 Just drain it.

Yusef 1:07:55 And yeah.

Jonny 1:07:56 Drain it.

Chris Williamson 1:07:56 Imagine if you, imagine if you-

Yusef 1:07:57 Then it just becomes a little tennis court.

Chris Williamson 1:07:58 ... you get opened up back into the real world after three weeks, and you've got to find whatever, like three million cubic feet of water-

Jonny 1:08:07 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:08:08 ... cubical liters of water or whatever the fuck it is. Like, what did that be in-

Jonny 1:08:10 That's like the right level of chlorine, the right temperature, uh, you know, it's not-

Chris Williamson 1:08:14 Nightmare.

Jonny 1:08:14 A swimming pool's not just like from the tap. It's uh-

Yusef 1:08:17 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:08:17 Just leave the tap, oh, leave the tap running overnight, and uh-

Jonny 1:08:20 Yeah, just put the hose pipe in.

Chris Williamson 1:08:21 ... it'll be fine, fine in the morning.

Yusef 1:08:22 Well, I thought like, you could, you, if you just get a bucket and there are two blokes just going back and forth, fill up the bucket from the tap-

Chris Williamson 1:08:28 Fill it up, get it-

Yusef 1:08:28 ... pour it in.

Chris Williamson 1:08:29 Yeah. Okay.

Jonny 1:08:30 In.

Yusef 1:08:30 Yeah.

Jonny 1:08:30 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:08:30 Um, look, gents, thank you so much for coming on. Um, propanefitness.com/modernwisdom for those online-

Yusef 1:08:40 Thanks.

Chris Williamson 1:08:40 ... fitness professionals and people who think that they want to start making a pivot. Uh, what else should they, where else should they check out? Because we never even plug your stuff. We never even say like-

Jonny 1:08:49 Well-

Chris Williamson 1:08:49 ... "You should go and check them out at this."

Yusef 1:08:50 (laughs)

Jonny 1:08:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:08:50 'Cause we just presume that they already follow you.

Yusef 1:08:53 The, well, that's-

Jonny 1:08:53 Also-

Yusef 1:08:54 ... that, I mean, if, if they're not, then what are you doing?

Chris Williamson 1:08:57 Yeah.

Yusef 1:08:57 But-

Jonny 1:08:57 Mm.

Yusef 1:08:58 ... we have two main audiences. So the, the, for the business stuff, anyone wanting to, to do that, forward s- it's propanefitness.com/modernwisdom. Remember, it's propane as in the gas, not stance on pain. And uh, for the fitness-

Chris Williamson 1:09:12 Pro-pain. (laughs)

Yusef 1:09:13 We are not- I get that, I get that question constantly.

Chris Williamson 1:09:15 Pro-

Jonny 1:09:15 Anti-pain.

Chris Williamson 1:09:16 Anti-pain.

Jonny 1:09:16 Yeah.

Yusef 1:09:17 Yeah.

Jonny 1:09:17 Mm.

Yusef 1:09:18 And uh, for the fitness crowd who just want to get in better shape, especially during this period, go to propanefitness.com/calculator, or just propanefitness.com. Uh, we also have a free self-isolation body weight program, which we're just, we're just giving away for free, no strings attached, just to help you guys out during this time.

Jonny 1:09:37 And crucially, we're not pivoting our entire marketing around body weight programs or live videos.

Chris Williamson 1:09:41 (laughs)

Yusef 1:09:42 You'll see no jump sports in the Modern Wis-

Jonny 1:09:44 There is.

Yusef 1:09:44 ... Conservatory.

Chris Williamson 1:09:45 I love it. I love it, man. Look, boys, thank you so much. I, um, I think we should try and, we've done this, this was two weeks ago that we did the last one. If we can get another one in in a, a weekend coming up soon. You are by far the most requested, um, of, of all guests, which is ridiculous.

Jonny 1:10:01 Crazy.

Chris Williamson 1:10:02 I can try and book on Ben Greenfield or Aubrey Marcus, and, "No, no, no, no, no."

Yusef 1:10:06 No, no.

Jonny 1:10:06 What-

Chris Williamson 1:10:06 "Have you got that Arab and the re- the one with the really long legs again? 'Cause I, I, they're fine."

Jonny 1:10:11 The Captain Hook guy.

Chris Williamson 1:10:11 "Yeah, a man who looked like Captain Hook. And, and that, that Aryan one. Yeah, yeah, have we got that?"

Yusef 1:10:17 He doesn't look like as much of a giant now that the perspective's normal.

Chris Williamson 1:10:20 No.

Jonny 1:10:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:10:21 You've got nothing to compare him to, though.

Yusef 1:10:24 I mean, in your living room.

Jonny 1:10:24 Well, normally I'm sat like next to the camera, aren't I?

Chris Williamson 1:10:27 Yeah.

Yusef 1:10:27 Fisheye lens, just-

Jonny 1:10:28 Next to one of the cameras.

Chris Williamson 1:10:28 Oh, sorry, can I ... Before we finish off, this is a public service announcement to everyone else that's suffering with the same thing I am. I cannot stop eating.

Yusef 1:10:39 (laughs)

Jonny 1:10:39 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:10:39 I can't stop eating at the moment because I'm never leaving the house. I'm constantly near the kitchen, and I'm training a fair bit. So today, today I clocked in at the heaviest I've ever weighed, 90.2 kilos.

Jonny 1:10:52 So what you're experiencing now-

Yusef 1:10:54 Heaviest ever.

Jonny 1:10:54 ... Chris, is, is this weird thing that, that a lot of people have to go through, which is being careful and, and tracking what they consume-

Chris Williamson 1:11:01 I'm tracking what I consume.

Jonny 1:11:01 ... in order to be absolutely ... Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:11:04 I'm tracking what I consume.

Yusef 1:11:05 Tracking what you consume is still just-

Chris Williamson 1:11:06 Dude-

Jonny 1:11:07 I feel like-

Chris Williamson 1:11:07 ... MyFitnessPal, MyFitnessPal at the moment is, uh, 200, 260, 60. And I'm hitting it within like 20, so it's like 2, 24, 25.

Jonny 1:11:16 That is that fat carbon protein.

Chris Williamson 1:11:20 (laughs)

Yusef 1:11:22 (laughs)

Jonny 1:11:22 (laughs) That'd be an interesting day.

Chris Williamson 1:11:24 Oh God, it would be awful.

Jonny 1:11:24 It would be a very loose day.

Chris Williamson 1:11:26 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 1:11:27 Yeah. So, what, you are, you are tracking ... Uh, so, yeah, I, to be honest, I, um, it's not, it's not really changed for me. But again, that's-

Chris Williamson 1:11:36 You're very disciplined with, you're very disciplined with your diet.

Jonny 1:11:39 I, I don't... I am, like I- I struggle with ... I, I get really hungry. Like I'm quite a big person. I move around quite a bit-

Chris Williamson 1:11:45 Yeah. (laughs)

Jonny 1:11:45 ... and I train, so and then like not eating very much food's quite difficult. But yeah. What do you, what do you eat? Talk us through a day of eating in the life of Chris.

Chris Williamson 1:11:54 Fasted until-

Jonny 1:11:54 Sorry.

Yusef 1:11:55 Sorry, go again.

Chris Williamson 1:11:57 Fasted until, um-

Yusef 1:11:58 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:11:58 (laughs) Fasted until mm-

Yusef 1:11:58 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:11:59 ... about 1:00 or 2:00 PM, so I'm training at midday every day with my flatmate at the moment, Lewis, which is good. Super, super fortunate. Eleiko, anyone who actually needs f- I've nearly forgot. Anyone who still needs kit, like dumbbells, kettle bells, weights, plates, bars, stuff like that, Eleiko, because they're Swedish and s- they've basically, they're just going about their daily business as is normal, they're still delivering everything. So just head to, I think it's like eleiko.co.uk, or just Google E-L-E-I-K-O, E-L-E-I-K-O. Um-

Jonny 1:12:32 Have you seen their April Fools thing?

Chris Williamson 1:12:34 No, what was it?

Jonny 1:12:35 Oh, man. Their, their April Fools things are the best of any company. So it's a portable barbell in a box. But go, just go, go on their Instagram, have a look at it, and then scroll back on all the previous ... Like, they did a waffle iron, they d- they did square plates.

Chris Williamson 1:12:49 (laughs)

Jonny 1:12:49 And it's really highly like produced, the imagery.

Chris Williamson 1:12:52 Very well done.

Jonny 1:12:52 So you look, "Fuck, like, s- square plates,