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DAVE CASTRO | CrossFit Open 18.0 and Fighting Mat Fraser

I caught up with Director of The CrossFit Games Dave Castro at the Launch of Reebok's new Nano 8, as he announced Open Workout 18.0. After getting completely destroyed in 3 minutes by the workout, and once I got my breath back, I got time to sit down with the man behind The CrossFit Games and ask some questions which I've had for years. Find out how he deals with the pressure of programming for half a million people, which Games Athletes he doesn't want to meet in The Hunger Games and whether that new burpee standard will be in this year's open... - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Chris WilliamsonhostDave Castroguest
May 29, 201811mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:47

    Why “18.0” existed: a pre-Open workout announcement idea years in the making

    Chris opens by joking that 18.0 “ended” him, and Dave explains the origin story. Castro had wanted a pre-Open workout for years, and Reebok’s invitation to run an event in London finally made it happen under the name “18.0.”

    • Castro had considered a pre-Open workout concept for years
    • Reebok’s event request brought the idea back and enabled execution
    • The workout was framed as an “18.0” teaser before the official Open
  2. 0:47 – 0:59

    Designing 18.0: simple, core CrossFit with small rule twists

    Castro breaks down what made 18.0 feel like “true CrossFit”: minimal movements, recognizable Open staples, but with updated standards. He highlights how subtle changes create a fresh test without adding complexity.

    • Goal: keep it simple and unmistakably CrossFit
    • Two common Open movements selected, but modified slightly
    • New standards are used to change the feel without changing the theme
  3. 0:59 – 1:10

    New movement standards: dumbbell snatch change + burpee over dumbbell debut

    Dave describes the specific tweaks: a new dumbbell snatch requirement and the introduction of the burpee over dumbbell. He notes how a brand-new standard or movement can immediately reshape pacing and strategy.

    • Dumbbell snatch: new standard requiring control before switching hands
    • Burpee over dumbbell introduced as a novel Open-style movement
    • Standards matter: tiny constraints create big performance differences
  4. 1:10 – 1:37

    Misdirection and hype: 18.0 as an “Instagram post,” but live

    Chris jokes that the workout is basically a Dave Castro-style teaser post in real life. Dave agrees, emphasizing that 18.0 is meant to spark speculation about what will appear in the Open.

    • 18.0 intentionally fuels community guessing and discussion
    • Athletes may assume the new burpee standard will carry into the Open
    • Castro embraces the tradition of subtle curveballs and teasers
  5. 1:37 – 2:23

    Do athletes ever try to distract Castro during announcements?

    Chris asks whether competitors try to mess with Castro during major moments like the Games. Dave explains that at the Games everyone is too focused, though at smaller events friends will still poke and prod.

    • Games environment is too intense for pranks or distractions
    • At other events, close friends may try to throw him off
    • Mutual respect: everyone is busy managing their own pressure
  6. 2:23 – 3:19

    The pressure of Open announcements: performing minutes after hearing the workout

    Castro explains why Open announcement athletes face a uniquely demanding situation. Unlike everyone else, they can’t watch, analyze, choose timing, or refine technique first—they must compete almost immediately.

    • Announcement athletes have no time to process the workout
    • They lose the advantage of watching others and planning strategy
    • They must perform within minutes, increasing anxiety and uncertainty
  7. 3:19 – 4:08

    Mat Fraser example: elite performance even with zero prep

    Chris brings up 18.3 and how quickly top athletes adapt. Dave notes Fraser’s world-class result on the first attempt, then explains that repeating isn’t always necessary if the broader competition strategy is sound.

    • Fraser posted an exceptionally fast time on his first go
    • Castro suggests Fraser likely didn’t need to repeat the workout
    • Top athletes manage energy across the full season, not one event
  8. 4:08 – 4:59

    Reebok x CrossFit partnership: expanding reach while keeping organic growth

    Chris asks what Reebok enables that CrossFit couldn’t do alone. Dave says the partnership introduces CrossFit to broader fitness audiences and media, while CrossFit still prefers word-of-mouth growth over aggressive promotion.

    • Reebok expands exposure beyond traditional CrossFit circles
    • More access to media and mainstream fitness audiences
    • CrossFit’s philosophy: minimal push-marketing, organic adoption
  9. 4:59 – 5:42

    Programming for 400k+ people: ranking the fittest while staying broadly doable

    Chris highlights the scale of the Open and how many lives programming affects. Dave says he doesn’t dwell on the influence; he focuses on building a fair test that can rank elites while still being accessible to the mass field.

    • Open programming must serve both elite ranking and mass participation
    • Castro prioritizes the integrity of the test over the “impact” narrative
    • “Inclusive” doesn’t mean trivial—still requires real fitness skills
  10. 5:42 – 6:33

    “Anyone can do it” (but not literally): the experience floor and why technique matters

    Castro clarifies the often-repeated claim that anyone can do the Open. He argues it’s broadly true but requires baseline familiarity with movements—even in scaled divisions—because CrossFit movements carry inherent technical demands.

    • Participation requires some CrossFit movement literacy
    • Scaled options help, but still require instruction and competence
    • If it were truly for anyone, the movements would be too basic to be meaningful
  11. 6:33 – 7:56

    Castro testing workouts: when he actually fears doing the Open events

    Chris asks if Castro dreads his own programming since he tests it. Dave explains the real anxiety hits after public scores exist—because now he knows the benchmark he must meet to avoid being mid-pack.

    • Castro tests workouts during creation, then redoes them officially during the Open
    • Fear increases once other athletes’ scores create a visible standard
    • He dislikes certain classic “suffer” movements (e.g., thrusters) but still programs them
  12. 7:56 – 8:38

    Gear minimalism: shoes don’t matter much if you can “make it happen”

    The conversation shifts briefly to Reebok shoes. Castro says he doesn’t obsess over footwear, reflecting a broader mindset of being prepared to perform with whatever equipment is available.

    • Castro doesn’t fixate on shoes—focus is on execution
    • Mindset: adapt to whatever gear or conditions you have
    • He notes recent Reebok models feel good, but it’s not central for him
  13. 8:38 – 9:57

    Quick-fire personal bits: group chats, favorite gyms worldwide, and China’s surprise scene

    Chris asks about the “coolest group chat,” and Castro says he keeps mostly business threads. They then discuss CrossFit gyms globally—Castro recalls being impressed by unexpectedly high-quality gyms in China and notes each affiliate’s unique culture.

    • Castro’s text groups are mostly business-focused
    • He’s visited many gyms; avoids ranking favorites definitively
    • China stood out as having some of the nicest, surprising CrossFit facilities
    • Affiliates share methodology but express it through local culture
  14. 9:57 – 11:47

    Who’s hardest to “kill”? Why Mat Fraser’s mentality makes him most dangerous

    Chris poses a hypothetical combat scenario among Games athletes. Castro chooses Mat Fraser, not for physical fighting skill, but for his relentless competitive mindset—similar to Rich Froning—focused on beating whoever is beside him at any cost.

    • Castro values “fighter” mentality as mental, not physical
    • Fraser’s drive is to win, not merely achieve personal bests
    • Comparison to Rich Froning’s competitive edge
    • Great competitors optimize for beating opponents, not just self-improvement

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