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DAVE CASTRO | CrossFit Open 18.0 and Fighting Mat Fraser

I caught up with Director of The CrossFit Games Dave Castro at the Launch of Reebok's new Nano 8, as he announced Open Workout 18.0. After getting completely destroyed in 3 minutes by the workout, and once I got my breath back, I got time to sit down with the man behind The CrossFit Games and ask some questions which I've had for years. Find out how he deals with the pressure of programming for half a million people, which Games Athletes he doesn't want to meet in The Hunger Games and whether that new burpee standard will be in this year's open... - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Chris WilliamsonhostDave Castroguest
May 29, 201811mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:47

    Why “18.0” existed: a pre-Open workout announcement idea years in the making

    Chris opens by joking that 18.0 “ended” him, and Dave explains the origin story. Castro had wanted a pre-Open workout for years, and Reebok’s invitation to run an event in London finally made it happen under the name “18.0.”

  2. 0:47 – 0:59

    Designing 18.0: simple, core CrossFit with small rule twists

    Castro breaks down what made 18.0 feel like “true CrossFit”: minimal movements, recognizable Open staples, but with updated standards. He highlights how subtle changes create a fresh test without adding complexity.

  3. 0:59 – 1:10

    New movement standards: dumbbell snatch change + burpee over dumbbell debut

    Dave describes the specific tweaks: a new dumbbell snatch requirement and the introduction of the burpee over dumbbell. He notes how a brand-new standard or movement can immediately reshape pacing and strategy.

  4. 1:10 – 1:37

    Misdirection and hype: 18.0 as an “Instagram post,” but live

    Chris jokes that the workout is basically a Dave Castro-style teaser post in real life. Dave agrees, emphasizing that 18.0 is meant to spark speculation about what will appear in the Open.

  5. 1:37 – 2:23

    Do athletes ever try to distract Castro during announcements?

    Chris asks whether competitors try to mess with Castro during major moments like the Games. Dave explains that at the Games everyone is too focused, though at smaller events friends will still poke and prod.

  6. 2:23 – 3:19

    The pressure of Open announcements: performing minutes after hearing the workout

    Castro explains why Open announcement athletes face a uniquely demanding situation. Unlike everyone else, they can’t watch, analyze, choose timing, or refine technique first—they must compete almost immediately.

  7. 3:19 – 4:08

    Mat Fraser example: elite performance even with zero prep

    Chris brings up 18.3 and how quickly top athletes adapt. Dave notes Fraser’s world-class result on the first attempt, then explains that repeating isn’t always necessary if the broader competition strategy is sound.

  8. 4:08 – 4:59

    Reebok x CrossFit partnership: expanding reach while keeping organic growth

    Chris asks what Reebok enables that CrossFit couldn’t do alone. Dave says the partnership introduces CrossFit to broader fitness audiences and media, while CrossFit still prefers word-of-mouth growth over aggressive promotion.

  9. 4:59 – 5:42

    Programming for 400k+ people: ranking the fittest while staying broadly doable

    Chris highlights the scale of the Open and how many lives programming affects. Dave says he doesn’t dwell on the influence; he focuses on building a fair test that can rank elites while still being accessible to the mass field.

  10. 5:42 – 6:33

    “Anyone can do it” (but not literally): the experience floor and why technique matters

    Castro clarifies the often-repeated claim that anyone can do the Open. He argues it’s broadly true but requires baseline familiarity with movements—even in scaled divisions—because CrossFit movements carry inherent technical demands.

  11. 6:33 – 7:56

    Castro testing workouts: when he actually fears doing the Open events

    Chris asks if Castro dreads his own programming since he tests it. Dave explains the real anxiety hits after public scores exist—because now he knows the benchmark he must meet to avoid being mid-pack.

  12. 7:56 – 8:38

    Gear minimalism: shoes don’t matter much if you can “make it happen”

    The conversation shifts briefly to Reebok shoes. Castro says he doesn’t obsess over footwear, reflecting a broader mindset of being prepared to perform with whatever equipment is available.

  13. 8:38 – 9:57

    Quick-fire personal bits: group chats, favorite gyms worldwide, and China’s surprise scene

    Chris asks about the “coolest group chat,” and Castro says he keeps mostly business threads. They then discuss CrossFit gyms globally—Castro recalls being impressed by unexpectedly high-quality gyms in China and notes each affiliate’s unique culture.

  14. 9:57 – 11:47

    Who’s hardest to “kill”? Why Mat Fraser’s mentality makes him most dangerous

    Chris poses a hypothetical combat scenario among Games athletes. Castro chooses Mat Fraser, not for physical fighting skill, but for his relentless competitive mindset—similar to Rich Froning—focused on beating whoever is beside him at any cost.

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