Modern WisdomDavid Icke, Conspiracies & Cuddle Club | Michael Malice | Modern Wisdom Podcast 159
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The fact that, uh,…
- MMMichael Malice
The fact that, uh, people have been, by and large, coming together, keeping their spirits up worldwide, that's not how the movies play out. The movies play out that as soon as this happens, the governments have to come in and crack down. They're going door to door, rounding people up or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it's been a while, and I am, I'm shocked by how mature everyone is, and glad how mature everyone is being. And frankly, I'm also shocked and delighted by how much the politicians are keeping it together. How there is a lot of, "All right, let's ..." You know, Italy's calling the US, they're calling Boris, they're calling South Korea, President Moon. They're like, "All right, what do we need to do? What's working over there? What's working here?" And there's a very ... And, and they're also being, other than obviously China, as transparent as possible. "Here's what we're doing. Here's the numbers. Here's what's working for us. Here's not what's working for you." And I think that makes people feel a lot like, all right, they're on it.
- CWChris Williamson
Michael Motherfunkin' Malitz in the building. How are you?
- MMMichael Malice
Oi, brother. Yeah, good to be here. Or Guv'nor, I think I saw something there.
- CWChris Williamson
Cup of tea, Guv'nor. How are you?
- MMMichael Malice
(laughs) Yes, rather. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
So, I feel like we need to bridge the gap between our first episode and this one, because this is like someone watching season one of Michael and Chris-
- MMMichael Malice
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
... and now watching season five of Michael and Chris.
- MMMichael Malice
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And there's a whole bunch of narrative that's gone on. Now we both ... We, we're living together. We own a dog. Um, I've met your parents. I'm considering proposing, all that sort of stuff. And ... (laughs)
- MMMichael Malice
It's been so fun. It's been five seasons.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Season five's getting serious, man. So, um, I want to ask you, what have you learned since we've been friends?
- MMMichael Malice
So, it's funny. I'm going to answer that question in a second. I just finished reading this book, uh, which is called Gumption Island, which is a forgotten book. It came out in 1956 by Felix Morley. He was a Pulitzer winner for ... He was the first one to win a Pulitzer for The Washington Post. Uh, he was one of the founders of the Mont Pelerin Society. Uh, he, uh, he later became a prominent, you know, anti-war, uh, right-winger. And the book, it takes place ... Basically the premise is, there's this, this community in Maryland, in America. They're hit by the Soviets with a weapon, and they're thrown back in time to the dinosaur era. And what's amazing about this book, there's all sorts of action that happens off-screen, like you were just mentioning. And I'm reading it, and I'm like, "Did I miss something?"
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- MMMichael Malice
Like, the Russian character marries the daughter of the other prominent character, and you only find this out when they're like, "Well, ever since you guys get married." I'm like, "Wait, when ha ... They were never even dating. I'm going back-"
- CWChris Williamson
Where was the ceremony? Yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
They were never even dating. One of the kids is eaten by a pterodactyl, and it's never mentioned again. I'm like, "Hold ... Isn't this a problem when children are being eaten by anything?" And they'll ... And then there's this whole subplot where the bankers in this community want to have a coup and basically seize control. And, like, five pages later it's like, "Well, ever since we had to impeach blah, blah, blah." I'm like, "W- wait. Th- they, they ... The coup failed?" Like, it's so crazy reading like this. So, what have I learned since we've been friends? You are pro- ... You and I probably chat on a daily basis at this point, I think.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- MMMichael Malice
You're probably the closest person in my life who I've never met. Um, and I think, uh, you know, we come at life from, uh, um, probably different perspectives but similar wiring. Um, different, very, very different life experiences, but a similar approach, being, uh, extreme intensity, intellectual curiosity, um, pride yet self-awareness, I think. Maybe we all fail in some of those, maybe not others. So, I think one of the things I have l- Well, you've given me some fitness advice, which has been very useful.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
Um, but I mean, since this, we became pals, it's this ... Mates, I think they say over there?
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
Uh, this whole virus thing, you know, obviously hit, so that's obviously thrown a number for all of us. You know, know what, the one thing I've learned, uh, I would say, if I had to put to one thing, is that I have a bigger ... This is gonna sound pompous and I don't care. I have a bigger audience than I realized, and that there are people who, when I do crap like this, it actually gives them something to do, so I better get off my ass and do it. Uh, I don't have the space to be, um, kind of in hermit mode.
- CWChris Williamson
I couldn't agree more, man. There's a, uh, an analogy that I use all the time about the hero in the, the mythological stories. And it's like, it's the unwilling hero. The hero has to go and slay the dragon, not because he wants to, but because he can. And because he can, he has to. It's like, if no one else is gonna go slay the dragon, and I said this to you. I, I was ... I can't remember where I was. We were driving somewhere. I had you on Skype, talking away. And, uh, I was like, "Man, like, you have a particular coalition of skill." Like, uh, uh, Liam Neeson, "I have a very particular set of skills." And, uh, you have a very particular set of skills. And if now isn't a time for people who can make their audience feel connected and like they're a part of something, if now isn't the time to do it, during a global pandemic where everyone can't, literally can't leave their house, then when, when is that time?
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah, but for me personally, there's two big issues with that. One is, and I just had to block someone on, on, uh, uh, social media 'cause they were just rolling their eyes. It's, I, I'm an ex- I'm an extreme introvert. Um, I do not do well with groups, which is not, you know, th- Which is ... People misunderstand what introversion is. And also, um, it's the kinda thing where I don't want to think it's ... It's obnoxious to think of yourself as these people you've never met, you're having an effect on their life. It's like, all right, get over yourself. But it's like, well, the data's there, um, so if they, they think this ... 'Cause this isn't how I, um, entertain myself, and this isn't how I get out of my funk. I don't watch podcasts. Um, it's not my thing. I get very, very res- You know, and part of the reason is I'm a talker.... right? And part, so when I have to sit and listen to two people talking, and the more interesting the conversation, the more I want to be engaged in that conversation. So inevitably, it would become a source of frustration rather than, uh, some ... It's, it's, I mean, for me it's a very ... Of all the activities, this is the one where I wouldn't want to be on the bench. Um, I don't know if they have that idiom over there.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
Whatever they have, whatever they have in cricket. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
On the sidelines. On the sidelines, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the bench.
- MMMichael Malice
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, there, here's a, here's an interesting thing about cricket for you. So as, I guess kind of similar to baseball, but baseball inherently speeds up the batting process because it's after three strikes or a, a couple of balls, maybe you could have, like, some strikes, some balls or whatever, 10 minutes probably at most. The batter is some ... He's either at base or he's back in the dugout. Whereas there's guys in cricket ... I've played games where one batsman has been at the crease, as it's called, out, out on the field, for days, multiple days that a batsman's done that. And if there's not a lot of other players getting out, that means that especially if you bat down the order fur- further down, you're just sat in a pavilion watching the game unfold. Like, there is no more lackadaisical sport on the planet than cricket. You're just there, like, observing-
- 15:00 – 30:00
Sure. …
- CWChris Williamson
teams were playing each other.
- MMMichael Malice
Sure.
- CWChris Williamson
But in domestic games, you'll have your own team as well.
- MMMichael Malice
So who's the most popular foreign team in the UK, would you say?
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, that is a good question. Juventus perhaps, uh, Atlético Madrid, Real Madrid, um, Bayern Munich maybe. There's some fo- there's football fans just screaming at their phone, into their AirPods at the moment telling me what it is. But I think, I think they would probably be up there. All the European ones. I don't think anyone's gonna be loving like LA Galaxy or something like that. I don't think-
- MMMichael Malice
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
... that there's gonna be. Uh, so yeah. David Icke. You know who David Icke is?
- MMMichael Malice
No.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. David Icke is a British... how, how would you even call it? Conspiracy theorist.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh, I do kn- I thought it was sp- I thought it was pronounced Icke. I'm not s- because we have someone named Harold Ickes here.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- MMMichael Malice
He's the one with the li- The Lizard People with-
- CWChris Williamson
Lizard People.
- MMMichael Malice
... Colorado.
- CWChris Williamson
Correct.
- MMMichael Malice
Yes, yes, of course.
- CWChris Williamson
The Lizard People, right.
- MMMichael Malice
Yes, yes.
- CWChris Williamson
David, David Icke. David Icke. Um, so-
- MMMichael Malice
Is it Icke, you sure?
- CWChris Williamson
Icke 100%.
- MMMichael Malice
I'm not sure.
- CWChris Williamson
100%.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Okay, thank you.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, so he did an episode about three weeks ago on London Real, uh, with (laughs) with, with Brian Rose, who I've felt a little bit off with for quite a while. Um, I'll get into that in a second. Did an episode talking about how coronavirus, you know, "We don't know what it is. What even is the c- what is corona? The people up top, they don't want you to know," and so they did... Basically, it was that for three hours. Then, um, at the start of this week, I want to say Monday, he brought him back in. So first things first, our company is under a national lockdown-
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... mandated by the government. Brian has brought a 60s-year-old man into his office. Not only has he brought him in, but Brian's had to go in. Brian's not a spring chicken, and videographer, photographer, sound desk mixer, production assistant, you know, all that stuff. So they've gone in during a government-mandated lockdown to record this episode. And they record it, and I've listened to the full thing, um, and David Icke says, he opens up, and it got taken down off YouTube, I'll get onto that in a second, but if you go onto Apple Podcasts, four minutes and 33 seconds, he says this sentence. This is, this is David Icke. This is the headline: "There is no COVID-19. It doesn't exist."
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
So that's how he opens up, right? That's, that's the headline of this. He says it himself, it's self, self-defined. And, um, then on Tuesday, YouTube takes the video down. YouTube deletes... It had a livestream, it was very well watched, it was garnering a lot of attention, that obviously, um, and they take it down. Takes a little bit of time. Brian gets in touch with them and says, finally, finally speaks to them, and they said, "We have a policy at the moment, and now any videos that are saying that COVID-19 is fake or that it's related to 5G are subject to this same taking down." Now, the problem is that because they took it down-... it's turned from being a discussion about the credence behind David Icke's arguments to now a free speech issue.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Thankfully- …
- MMMichael Malice
w- w- "H- well, how do we get out of this?" I, I don't think they're thinking long-term, this is our globalist moment.... to implement the master plan.
- CWChris Williamson
Thankfully-
- MMMichael Malice
I think they're thinking very short term.
- CWChris Williamson
Absolutely, yeah. When the lizard people's parents and grandparents are dying just as quickly as everyone else's, it, you kind of just, it's the same thing as if you fall into quicksand, right? You don't have an existential crisis when you're falling into quicksand.
- MMMichael Malice
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
You just think about getting out. Um, there's this concept by Matthew Syed that I, I have to tell you about, right? It's called compensatory control. Have you heard about this?
- MMMichael Malice
No.
- CWChris Williamson
Cool. Why conspiracy theories and demagogues spread in times of worry and uncertainty. So this is Matthew Syed's piece in The Times.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh, can I guess if, what his answer is?
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- MMMichael Malice
Uh, and let's see if I'm right, okay?
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
Are you saying he's on the level, this guy?
- CWChris Williamson
What's that mean?
- MMMichael Malice
I mean, are you saying that what he's saying actually supports the truth or he's using it as an example of something's wrong?
- CWChris Williamson
Yes. Yes is correct.
- MMMichael Malice
Is he going to say that in times of panic, any kind of explanation that's kind of an Occam's razor that gives people a sense of certainty is enormously emotionally reassuring?
- CWChris Williamson
You are a very clever man. You are... Oh, yeah. Pat on the back.
- MMMichael Malice
He's right. He's absolutely right.
- CWChris Williamson
Man, let me hit you with this. So-
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Psychologists have conducted experiments to shed light on why people lose, or at least suspend rationality. One experiment asked people to imagine going to a doctor to hear an uncertain medical diagnosis. Such people were significantly more likely to express the belief that God was in control of their lives.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Another asked participants to imagine a time of deep uncertainty when they feared for their jobs or the health of their children. They were far more likely to see a pattern in meaningless static or to infer that two random events were connected. This is such a common finding that psychologists have given it a name, compensatory control. When we feel uncertain, when randomness intrudes upon our lives, we respond by reintroducing order in some other way. Superstitions and conspiracy theories speak to this need. It is not easy to accept that important events are shaped by random forces. This is why, for some, it makes more sense to believe we are threatened by the grand plans of malign scientists than some chance mutation in a silly little microbe.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah. And, and, and there, there's a couple of examples of this. I've given talks on networking and I tell the kids, I go, "If you're... Don't aspire to excellence, it's not going to be possible at your age with your skill set. Aspire to competence. If you're competent, you're at the 80th percentile." And it, and I, the example I use is, "I would rather you tell me you'll have it on Wednesday and I'll have it on Wednesday than you tell me you'll have it on Monday and give it to me on Tuesday." Doesn't make sense if you think about it, but in other sense, it does reassuringly. I, I, there's a therapist I know, his wife had this disease after 9/11, so on and so forth. People would rather... Like the fight example, right? Like, if you've never been in a fight, what the hell is it? Once you've been, it sucks, but it's, it, the fear, the irrational fear is not there. A disease, they found, yeah, people would rather say you've got leukemia than go on for years and they don't know what's wrong with you.
- CWChris Williamson
They don't know what you've got.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah. And that's just how we're wired. And I can... You, we could all understand if we think about it.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
- MMMichael Malice
Like, I mean, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And it's seductive. We want to bring order to chaos.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
It's a vulnerability, yeah.…
- CWChris Williamson
well, you know, like, that's what happens when you're a total prick all the time or when you've got no life outside of the gym," or whatever it might be. Like, and it was ... For people that are listening, think about how you respond to compliments. And if that's the sort of thing that you, that you say, there's a, a couple of implications. The first one is that's because you don't believe that what the other person is telling you is true. That's the reason you do that. And by not needing to accept it, you close the gap between your self-image and what that person is saying. But the more important thing, and this is what really changed it for me, because I wanted to try and find more of a connection with people, and as an only child, this was like a, a weird kind of bridge for me to get over. Um, what I realized was it's really insulting for someone to go out of their way and compliment you, and for you to then-
- MMMichael Malice
It's a vulnerability, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... fucking rebuff it. They've said something really, really kind and nice to you, and you've just thrown it back in their face like, "Fuck you." Like, and that's why a lot of people, and this was me for ages, I would say, "Oh, do you know what it is? I just don't really feel like people care about my work or they don't really like my work." I'm like, "I wouldn't fucking care about your work. Every time someone says something nice to you, you just spit it back in their face."
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah. It's, it's actually ... But there's something else. That there, at a certain point, people, uh, when you're certain, uh, standard deviations away from the mean, people don't know how to connect with you. Like, I have a good buddy now and he's like into bodybuilding. And he's at that point where you will notice him, he walks in a room and everyone has some reaction. It's never just nothing, right? And men are often ... feel like, uh, like I, you know, I wrote a book on North Korea. I've been to North Korea. And if it comes up at a party, uh, this happens inevitably. And they're like, "What's your book on North Korea?" They feel the need to just tell me everything they know (laughs) about North Korea. And I'm like, "This isn't a test, h- and you can't win."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
And it's fine that you don't know or care about North Korea. This isn't how ... But they don't, they're trying to build that bridge between their s- uh, circumstances and mine-
- CWChris Williamson
Wow.
- MMMichael Malice
... when, when the bridge is already there. So, when guys come up and they feel the need to have this conversation and be all like, not complimentary, more like, uh, uh, almost like s- uh, servile, you know, like, "Oh," blah, blah, blah. Like, uh, he's like, "I don't know how to react because either I come off like a douchebag or I come off ... " whatever. I go, "Just tell them you're compensating for your tiny penis." And when you say it like that, the guy will laugh and it's like, oh, this guy's normal. He just likes working out.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, here's a-
- MMMichael Malice
And-
- CWChris Williamson
This, this is a good, a good point to interject here. Why don't you mention, 'cause I haven't heard you say this and I haven't asked you this, but-
- MMMichael Malice
No, okay.
- CWChris Williamson
... you, you tweeted one of the most complimentary things that I think anyone's ever tweeted about me after our first podcast. And you said there's only two people i- in my life ever that have, uh-
- MMMichael Malice
The two people who's, who's opinion changed the most after I talked to them-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
... was you and, uh, Joey Salads. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
What did Joey do? 'Cause I want to know that.
- MMMichael Malice
Joey Salads is an internet, uh, he was like a prankster on YouTube. He's a YouTube personality. He's a total bro, like e- in a, in every way. He came to ... And he was running for Congress. I think he still is. And he came to do my show and I'm like, this guy's gonna be a total moron and I'm gonna completely clown him. And within minutes, he was like, "I don't know about the Fed, I don't know about the taxes. I do know about social media. I think the Republicans need an AOC. I think I could bring that to the Republic-" And I'm like, "Oh." So he wasn't presenting himself as anything other than what he was. He was open about his limitations. And he's like, "Here's how to get laid." Like, he's like, "This is what you gotta do on Instagram," blah, blah, blah.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- MMMichael Malice
And he's giving me tips like from a friendly place.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
And I was like, I had him completely, completely wrong. And when you're coming from that-... a- a- when you have s- it's the expectations game, right? So when I came in, I thought this guy's gonna be a- a joke. And right away, he- he's not that he's being humble, it's that he's being honest. He's like, "I don't know these things." Th- I mean, if, if you were gonna try to play gotcha with me about foreign policy, yes, you'll win.
- CWChris Williamson
Hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
So I was like, "Oh, shit. This guy ... " 'Cause a lot of these YouTubers, you think that they're gonna have their head up their own ass, and I'm sure many of them do. I haven't met many.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
It was not that way at all. Um, and ever since then, I will always sing his and your praises. It's just like, oh, it's really ... It's, it's just interesting how we come ... And we have to have these heuristics when you're traveling in these circles about, okay, what box is this person probably coming out of? 'Cause you have your Love Island thing. It's like, all right, like, I know this person. It's like, oh no, I don't.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- MMMichael Malice
Uh, I know what I think is this person.
- CWChris Williamson
An idea. Yeah. A good example of a YouTuber that I think has really taken the red pill on a lot is Logan Paul. Like that guy is operating four orders of effect down from everything that it is that he does. I don't know whether you saw ... Did you see the thing about where he said he was the fastest man on the planet?
- MMMichael Malice
No.
- 1:00:00 – 1:09:05
Yeah. I wonder whether…
- MMMichael Malice
have enough on my plate whether I go to the gym or not regardless, that will take care of that part of my brain which otherwise would be screaming, "It's going to be wasted today. It's going to be wasted today. It's going to be wasted today. You're watching too much, you know, st- uh, stupid videos on YouTube."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. I wonder whether that's perhaps a little bit of me, um, getting easy wins in earlier on, um, because I tend to work like that. My morning routine is like 10 wins by 9:00 AM or 10:00 AM, like a- a ton of things. So I'll have gone for a walk, journaled, done breath work, meditated, done my spinal rehab, read, cooked and prepped my food for the day, and maybe done something else like by 9:30 or 10:00 AM. And that's just me perhaps still trying to build up that level of, um, self-confidence and kind of, uh, belief in my own, uh, worth.... to get the day going real hard, you know, like kind of s- s- set off in, in a high gear type thing and, and, and get moving. So, yeah, it's an interesting one, man. How have you been finding, um, training from home and stuff like that?
- MMMichael Malice
So I, I got to tell you, I d- I do not take it for granted having, like, a, a, a, a decent audience of quality people. Um, I think I'm very blessed to have this. And I was going absolutely crazy not having access to a gym because this is very important for me for mental health. Um, and I was on a cut and, and I was reaching ... I, I was at my peak a few years ago. I fell away 'cause my trainer vanished and now I was getting back to that point. Um, and having that just abruptly stop, it was, it was really freaking me out really badly. I mean, I w- I w- went to the park here at 10:00, you know, but you can only do so many pull-ups and dips in, in that park, whatever.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMichael Malice
And I had a fan who, she's in Florida, Phoebe, God bless you. Uh, G- God bless you so much. She goes, "Here's the k- the key is in the lock box outside my house. Here's the code." I called her while I was in her house, I did her dishes. I, you know, I watered her plants. I was glad to do it. She gave me ... She had a pair of 30 pound, uh, kettle, uh, barbells and a 65 pound kettlebell. Between that, since I'm, I'm kind of leaning, in a very lean place, it's fine. It's not ideal, but it's certainly psychologically it's fine and physically, you know, in a great place. So having that is very, very, very, uh, um, relaxing, uh, in that part of the brain. It's like you're wasting time or you're ... We all ha- we have this ... I, uh, I don't know if you do 'cause you've been, uh, I mean, this has been something part of your life for a long time. W- I think a lot of people who f- for working out as a part of their life have this idea that your body is a series of balloons and if you stop working out for like a month, you're going to be back where you started and like years will go away. Now, that's not how it works at all. But emotionally, that's what your brain is telling you. And there's nothing you can do to tell it otherwise until you go back and are like, "Oh, I dropped five pounds on my bench." Like, who cares?
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man, I, I, I, I couldn't agree more. One of the reasons that I'm so happy, uh, Elipko is a Swedish company and obviously, don't know whether you know, but Sweden are essentially just going about their business as normal.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Bars and restaurants and shit are open so you can order kit from them. So I ordered, I've got some stuff off them. Very fortunately just before lockdown started, we got, uh, Wattbike, which is like an exercise, really sophisticated exercise bike and some other bits and pieces. One housemate's a physio and the other housemate's a PT. So like, I, uh, you know, I c- I'm essentially in a gym. I'm in a gym.
- MMMichael Malice
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, and-
- MMMichael Malice
I was going to order weights, but they were sold out everywhere here.
- CWChris Williamson
You, you know what's sold out at the moment in the UK? Hair clippers.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh, God yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I can't get fucking ... I can't get hair clippers to save my life.
- MMMichael Malice
I, I am going ... I've ... Like every 1981 haircut I've been going, I had a down, I had a, like, the Guy from The Damned. I had Duran Duran. I, I mean, I'm like all right, I had this streak in my hair 'cause I did this Tulsi Gabbard look. Uh, you p- guys probably in the UK don't know her. Uh, when I was into Reuben and I thought it was gonna grow out in one session. It does not. It takes forever for a streak to go out. And we were gonna dye it back, but then haird- uh, the hair c- um, all the hairstylists are, are closed by law.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
So now it's getting longer than it's ever been in my life. I found this ... I didn't know this. Those round combs, I guess girls know this, they straighten your hair, um, when you comb it out enough.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- MMMichael Malice
So my hair's wavy and now I can do things with it and I'm like, all right, l- it's gonna look crazy. P- I mean, it's fun.
- CWChris Williamson
You know what I would love? I would absolutely adore to see you with a top knot.
- MMMichael Malice
A, a man bun?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh God, no.
- CWChris Williamson
Do it.
- MMMichael Malice
Oh God, no. Oh God.
- CWChris Williamson
Come on.
- MMMichael Malice
It's the nightmare of all nightmares.
- CWChris Williamson
Bro.
- MMMichael Malice
Nightmare of all nightmares. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
It would look so sick. So (laughs) here, here's a thing for you, the listeners-
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