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Fixing The Most Violent Countries On Earth | Rachel Kleinfeld

Rachel Kleinfeld is a senior fellow of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and the founding CEO of the Truman National Security Project. How can the world's deadliest countries fall apart? From electoral violence to organised crime, it's not difficult to tear a society to pieces. And then how can these decimated countries be put back together again? Rachel proposes a fascinating framework for governments to follow, framed by historical examples from the mob in Sicily vs Naples, Nigeria vs Mexico and the US South vs The Wild West. Extra Stuff: A Savage Order - https://amzn.to/2LfVwGj Rachel's Website - http://www.rachelkleinfeld.com Follow Rachel on Twitter - https://twitter.com/RachelKleinfeld Recommended Reading - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

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May 2, 201941mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

How Complicit Democracies Enable Violence—and How They Can Reform

  1. Rachel Kleinfeld discusses findings from her book *A Savage Order*, exploring why some democracies are extraordinarily violent and how they can transform. She distinguishes between genuinely weak states and “complicit” states, where governments and elites tacitly or explicitly tolerate violence by non-state actors for political or financial gain. Drawing on case studies from the US South and Wild West, Italy, Colombia, Mexico, Georgia, Nigeria, India and others, she identifies recurring patterns: polarization, inequality, politicized security services, and middle-class insulation from violence. She then outlines how countries escape this trap through middle-class backlash, inclusive political movements, difficult elite bargains with violent actors, and state reforms that gradually restore legitimacy and reduce violence.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

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Violent democracies are often complicit, not weak, states.

Many highly violent democracies have functioning courts, police and bureaucracies, but elites deliberately allow or protect non-state violence (gangs, militias, mafias) because it helps them win elections, control rivals, or enrich themselves.

Middle-class insulation enables extreme violence against the poor.

When inequality is high, the middle class can wall itself off with private security and better neighborhoods, rationalizing that violence is just “criminals killing criminals,” which allows abusive systems to persist for decades.

Repressive crackdowns usually worsen organized crime and violence.

Policies like mano dura or “three strikes” that massively expand imprisonment tend to turn prisons into networking hubs where gangs consolidate, professionalize, and expand transnational operations, leading to more sophisticated crime.

Lasting reform requires both inclusion and hard political bargains.

Successful cases combine three tough moves: cutting deals with some violent actors to stop open warfare, building a more inclusive state that serves marginalized communities, and then selectively but forcefully confronting remaining criminal groups.

Social movements help middle classes choose reform over repression.

When violence finally spills into middle-class life, societies reach a tipping point; at that moment, organized social movements can steer public demand away from punitive “tough on crime” responses and toward systemic, inclusive reforms.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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What I saw in country after country were these implicit deals with states that aren't weak, but have deliberately chosen to allow a certain amount of violence by non-state actors for their own reasons.

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Within about a decade, the old Confederates who had lost the Civil War won the peace—and they were back in power.

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If you’re a poor person being targeted by criminals, you also can’t turn to the police because, for all you know, they’re working together.

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If I couldn’t come up with something good, I was just gonna go to Mexico City and open a cooking store. There’s no reason to keep studying violence if there was no way to solve it.

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The people who look at a country that’s basically a failed state and say, ‘I’m gonna take over and make this place good’—it’s a very particular kind of person.

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Difference between weak states and complicit states in violent democraciesHistorical and global case studies of entrenched violence (US South, Wild West, Italy, Colombia, Mexico, Georgia, India, Central America)Elite collusion with criminal and paramilitary groups for electoral and financial gainRole of inequality, polarization, and middle-class insulation in sustaining violenceHow repression (iron-fist policies, mass incarceration) backfires and strengthens criminal networksPathways to reform: inclusive politics, social movements, and strategic deals with violent actorsImplications for contemporary US and UK politics, including campaign finance and racial/nativist dynamics

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