EVERY SPOKEN WORD
125 min read · 24,607 words- 0:00 – 15:00
(wind blowing) So, hi. Hi,…
- CWChris Williamson
(wind blowing) So, hi. Hi, everybody.
- YUYusef
Hello.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, you may notice that there is about 105 kilos of missing Aryan perfection over the far side just there. And if you're just listening, you will notice that there is not the sound of a massive arse moving around.
- YUYusef
Just squeaking all over the leather sofa.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. That is because Johnny is away on holiday, so it's just me and Youssef today. And we are gonna be talking about how to get lean for your summer holidays.
- YUYusef
This is actually take two.
- CWChris Williamson
This is technically take two. We had a technical problem, but this time it's gonna-
- YUYusef
10 minutes in of pure gold. Pure-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... How To Get Shredded for Summer gold.
- CWChris Williamson
S- so if this is, if this is not as good, then it's not our fault. We already gave up our best. So-
- YUYusef
Sorry, guys.
- CWChris Williamson
... how to get lean for your summer holidays. I did a little Instagram post about this yesterday and had an awful lot of messages coming back, not least of all because it's June and a lot of people will have realized, "Shit (claps hands) , I'm going away on holiday within the next eight weeks and I'm maybe not as lean or as muscular as I want to be, and I'm gonna have to take my top off on the beach (laughs) or I'm gonna wear a bikini," or whatever it might be. The point that I think struck a chord with a lot of people was what I said about the typical approach for getting lean for holidays. And if you have a look online, a lot of the resources that you will find about how to get lean will focus on potentially fitness competitions or long term slow deficit fat loss approaches. The crucial difference between stepping on stage and going on holiday to Ibiza or Marbella is that when you step on stage, all that you're going to do is flex and tense. When you go out (laughs) to Marbella or Ibiza, you're gonna be drinking Corona and having baguette all day, every day, for s-
- YUYusef
Forget.
- CWChris Williamson
Baguette.
- YUYusef
As in?
- CWChris Williamson
One baguette.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
One huge fuck off baguette, yeah.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
You take a baguette out, you're never taking a baguette out with you on holiday.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Just a long baguette, and then-
- YUYusef
I think this is where the, the alcohol reference goes over. Is, th- there's some kind of drink called-
- CWChris Williamson
Baguette? No.
- YUYusef
No?
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- YUYusef
You, you do mean baguette?
- CWChris Williamson
Baguette, yeah, just-
- YUYusef
Le baguette.
- 15:00 – 30:00
So I like that…
- CWChris Williamson
on the toning from going to super high rep ranges. Still focus on the moneymaker sets, which are between sort of six to 14 reps at a weight which is moderately heavy, um, and still testing. It's unlikely that you're going, unless you're new to training, that you're going to PR during this particular period. But yeah, that's ... that would be broadly my approach. What are your thoughts?
- YUYusef
So I like that you split it out into a, a, a day, a day-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
... daily schedule and also the principle of make the good decisions as easy as possible and make the bad decisions as hard as possible is definitely the way to set up your environment for success 'cause if you have to consciously make the good decision and it's, you know, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops each time-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... then by 5:00 PM you've, you've ... the decision fatigue sets in, which is a real thing. Like, you, you're tired. You think, "Well, I'm just gonna," but yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I'll miss training. I'll-
- YUYusef
Miss training, chocolate bars in the cupboard, any of that, definitely. The yogurt thing, there's, there's some evidence behind this as well, which is interesting.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. (laughs)
- YUYusef
People have done studies looking at if you feed someone yogurt, the, with a little spoon, and then see how mu- how many calories they eat subsequently in the rest of the day, it's lower than if they were to eat other types of food and they-
- CWChris Williamson
That was an equivalent amount of calories.
- YUYusef
Yeah, so they, they compare calorie matched amounts of tuna, uh, carbs, crackers, milk, uh, whey, all those kind of things and whey-
- CWChris Williamson
And yogurt.
- YUYusef
Whey and yogurt were the, the highest satiating
- NANarrator
(coughs)
- CWChris Williamson
So in terms of s- satiety, you're gonna, you're gonna feel better from that. On a, uh, on a side point on the making sure that it's easy for you to, to, um, stack the deck in your favor, that includes prepping your food. So roll back the clock from the morning that you need to prep your food. If you've got chicken in the freezer and you haven't defrosted it, when you wake up the next morning, you can't cook the chicken that's still frozen.
- YUYusef
So you default to cocoa pops.
- CWChris Williamson
Exactly.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
So you think, "Oh, well fuck it, the diet's gone for today so I'll just order in some takeaway or I'll do whatever, I go to Gregg's, I get a pastry." Like-
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... you know, it, it is all about making the good decisions as easy as possible and the bad decisions as hard as possible. Remembering that you are going to have a lower ... y- you're already using up an awful lot of willpower here. Dr. Roy Baumeister is, um, study that he did with turnips where he had two groups of people in a room. One group had cookies and turnips, and another group just had cookies. The group that just had cookies were allowed to eat them or not if they wanted. The group that had cookies and turnips were told they couldn't eat the cookies and could only eat the turnips. So they were then given-
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
They were then given a cognitively demanding task to do afterwards. And the group that wasn't allowed to eat the cookies gave up 50% faster than the other one.
- YUYusef
Wow, so it's, it's a finite resource willpower.
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- YUYusef
And yeah, th- so that's, that's such an interesting (laughs) study, like do, do not trust the future version of yourself-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
... to make the right decision. Treat yourself like a little child because-
- CWChris Williamson
You are.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Mm-hmm. …
- CWChris Williamson
T- you shouldn't be obsessing over it. Like if you're walking around at 10%, allow yourself... Do you know what it is? Here's something to think about. We're talking about this rebound effect as soon as you get out there and you start having beer and all the rest of it.
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
I bet that a significant proportion of people who are sat at about 10% body fat, let's say, which is probably fairly maintainable for people who train consistently-... if they went into a holiday on maintenance calories or just a little bit above-
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... with a slightly increased training output, that after day three or four, they would look better than the same person that they were had they drilled themselves into the ground with the deficit and then got this rebound effect.
- YUYusef
So when you said that day two and three of the holiday you looked your best and then got worse, it's simply that, yeah? You've carbed up almost.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
And then, but then you keep carbing up more and more- (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
... until it just-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Yeah.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And your body's just wholly unprepared to deal with it.
- YUYusef
So the solution that I would propose to, to the... This is the simplest way as well, meaning that you finished your diet, your aggressive approach that you've had to take because you're an idiot and you've left it until the last minute.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
Um, rather than trying to track your calories while you're away and stressing out over it, pick the, the shittest, most pointless meal of the day, usually breakfast, especially if you're in-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
... Ibiza and you're in a hotel and you're getting boiled eggs and like-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
... what, croissant or something.
- CWChris Williamson
You've never been to Ibiza.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
It's, it's not, it's not boiled eggs and croissants for breakfast.
- YUYusef
Oh, okay.
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- YUYusef
What, so what, what would it be for breakfast?
- CWChris Williamson
Pills probably.
- YUYusef
Oh, okay. For... (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
Well, I mean, that's excellent.
- 45:00 – 58:13
Yeah. …
- YUYusef
shredded for the next eight weeks or as much as you can, but keep up the momentum-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... and focus on next year's holiday.
- CWChris Williamson
And it's definitely, definitely as well, like a lot of people will lean out for eight weeks, go away, maybe have a little bit of this rebound that we've discussed here. But within seven days of coming back, you could get back to the set point that you were at beforehand quite easily.
- YUYusef
Oh, exactly. Don't think, "Holiday's over. Back to the-"
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. "Oh, I've ruined it, I've ruined it. I'm never gonna be lean again."
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
You're like, "Well, no, that's the exact opposite." So a, a structured and consistent training program is sort of number one. That's the zenith.
- YUYusef
So what you and I have done is a proper, proper diet, get lean once and for all. I got... Last time I dieted was 2013.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
I spent five or six months getting bone shredded, like pancreas lean.
- CWChris Williamson
Dick skin lean.
- YUYusef
Dick skin lean, and then gradually reversed, reversed dieted, which is systematically increasing the calories up to a point where body weight isn't, isn't influenced by it.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
And then if it starts to spill over, then you pull calories back. Painstaking pro- process, but what it's meant is that I've now topped out my calories.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
It supports your training. You're eating as much food as you, as you want really. You're, you're very happy with the amount of food that you're eating, maintaining your post-diet condition, and I'm still reaping the benefits of that five years later.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. You're still abs-
- YUYusef
So-
- CWChris Williamson
You're still abs lean.
- YUYusef
Still abs lean thanks to that diet. So-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... the short and fun-
- CWChris Williamson
You only need to get lean once.
- YUYusef
Exactly. Get lean once properly.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
Do it gradually and then systematically reverse back.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. So-
- YUYusef
And then you'll set yourself for five years or-
- CWChris Williamson
So... (laughs) Yeah.
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