Jocko Willink, Matt McCusker & Jeff Dye - Mostly Wise #3

1. 0:00 – 2:26

   Can You Be Openly Gay in the Military?

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      Did you guys ever consider a career in the military?

   2. MMMatt McCusker0:03

      I, I remember I was in graduate school when I would get the reserve emails, and I really thought, I was like, "Damn, 20 grand right now?"

   3. CWChris Williamson0:10

      [laughs]

   4. MMMatt McCusker0:11

      And I was like, "Mm, I can't..." I remember my wife's like, "Dude." Anyone I talked to was like, "You're gonna hate it. Don't, you, you can't just go away." I'm like, "It's just weekends." And they're like, "Yeah, every weekend for like, what, t- four years?" And I was like on the brink, and then they were like, "Dude." I was like, "Yeah, I'm not doing it." [laughs] So-

   5. JDJeff Dye0:25

      I've never considered it ever.

   6. MMMatt McCusker0:26

      [laughs]

   7. JDJeff Dye0:27

      Ever. Not even once.

   8. CWChris Williamson0:28

      You could have done a career in comedy. I don't know. This could have been a-

   9. JDJeff Dye0:30

      Yeah

   10. CWChris Williamson0:30

       ... they could, we could have found out that everyone's-

   11. JDJeff Dye0:32

       [laughs]

   12. CWChris Williamson0:32

       ... original life plans had crossed over.

   13. JDJeff Dye0:33

       I wish I would've done it. I could have used some structure, some discipline, some, uh, older male influence. I could have used some... Everything that the military teaches, I think I needed and would've been great, but because nobody was giving me the discipline to go, "Hey, you should go do that," I didn't do it, you know?

   14. MMMatt McCusker0:50

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson0:50

       Uh, you didn't even have the discipline to start becoming disciplined.

   16. JDJeff Dye0:53

       Yeah. When you grow up like me, dude, on the mean streets, you know, it's either gang life or basketball.

   17. CWChris Williamson0:58

       [laughs]

   18. JDJeff Dye0:59

       And I cho- No, that's not real.

   19. MMMatt McCusker1:01

       [laughs] I, I remember. Do you know what it was? I remember they repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and I was like, "All right. I can't, I can't join."

   20. JDJeff Dye1:06

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson1:07

       What's that?

   22. MMMatt McCusker1:08

       It was if you're gay, you're, you're not supposed-

   23. JDJeff Dye1:09

       Right

   24. MMMatt McCusker1:09

       ... to ask someone if they're gay.

   25. JDJeff Dye1:11

       That's, that's a rule.

   26. MMMatt McCusker1:11

       Now I think you're, like, allowed to ask. I don't know. What even happened with that?

   27. JDJeff Dye1:14

       I think you ask guys for their papers.

   28. CWChris Williamson1:15

       This is your area of expertise, Chuck.

   29. JDJeff Dye1:17

       I don't know.

   30. CWChris Williamson1:17

       And what happened with-
2. 2:26 – 8:19

   Are Women’s Sports As Good As Men’s?

   1. CWChris Williamson2:27

      What is that French W- uh, NBA player that-

   2. JDJeff Dye2:30

      She wouldn't make it

   3. CWChris Williamson2:31

      ... that's, what, the current trans athlete. Have you seen this guy go-

   4. MMMatt McCusker2:34

      Mm-mm

   5. CWChris Williamson2:34

      ... that's in-

   6. JDJeff Dye2:34

      Yeah, she's going viral all week. She's having a good week.

   7. CWChris Williamson2:36

      Wait.

   8. JDJeff Dye2:36

      She's probably real happy about all this WNBA kerfuffle.

   9. CWChris Williamson2:39

      Yeah. Do you know the story? Can you explain?

   10. JDJeff Dye2:41

       I've... E- every video has popped up. There's just a trans-

   11. MMMatt McCusker2:44

       Yeah

   12. JDJeff Dye2:44

       ... it's a, it's a biological male that transitioned into a woman who's playing in a professional women's basketball league in France. And because the Sophie Cunningham and all the issues in the last few weeks with the XX/XY kind of campaign-

   13. MMMatt McCusker2:57

       Mm-hmm

   14. JDJeff Dye2:57

       ... drumming up all this trans talk, uh, they're like, "We'll let this lady play. Draft her over there and watch how inclusive they'll be." But everybody's just showing videos of this, like, muscular... I mean, she's jacked.

   15. CWChris Williamson3:07

       Really?

   16. JDJeff Dye3:08

       She's almost like a guy.

   17. MMMatt McCusker3:10

       Yeah, I mean, I'm for it. I w- I think it's time. The WNBA-

   18. JDJeff Dye3:13

       Yeah. Let's-

   19. MMMatt McCusker3:14

       WNBA is turning into a-

   20. JDJeff Dye3:15

       Let 'em in

   21. MMMatt McCusker3:15

       ... it's a drama now.

   22. JDJeff Dye3:16

       Yeah.

   23. MMMatt McCusker3:16

       It's like race, it's like racial kind of tension.

   24. JDJeff Dye3:20

       Yeah.

   25. MMMatt McCusker3:20

       Throw that on top.

   26. CWChris Williamson3:20

       The sexual orientation.

   27. MMMatt McCusker3:21

       It's gonna be, oh, for sure.

   28. CWChris Williamson3:21

       Apparently all of the, the straight chicks get bullied and stuff in the, uh, locker room.

   29. JDJeff Dye3:27

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson3:27

       Are you telling me this? Like, all of the... Yeah, it's like inverse homophobia.
3. 8:19 – 20:17

   What It Really Takes to Become a Navy SEAL

   1. CWChris Williamson8:19

      Mm. How do you guys reckon you get on at SEAL selection? Jocko got to kind of assess people for a good while. Like, if you haven't got a, a background, like-

   2. JWJocko Willink8:28

      I mean, I just said-

   3. CWChris Williamson8:28

      I think about this a lot

   4. JWJocko Willink8:29

      ... I've been, I've been swimming, so.

   5. CWChris Williamson8:30

      You have been swimming a lot.

   6. JWJocko Willink8:31

      I've been swimming.

   7. JDJeff Dye8:31

      Good to go, yeah.

   8. CWChris Williamson8:32

      That's why.

   9. JWJocko Willink8:32

      I'm pretty much ready to go. [laughs]

   10. JDJeff Dye8:34

       How hard, how hard can it be, man?

   11. JWJocko Willink8:36

       Ready to go, pretty much.

   12. JDJeff Dye8:37

       Yeah.

   13. JWJocko Willink8:37

       Just let me know.

   14. JDJeff Dye8:38

       I bought this watch at Panera. It's Navy SEALs, so.

   15. JWJocko Willink8:40

       Oh, yeah. You're good to go.

   16. JDJeff Dye8:41

       I think I'm ready to rock, dude.

   17. JWJocko Willink8:42

       [laughs]

   18. JDJeff Dye8:43

       How much is it? And, uh-

   19. CWChris Williamson8:43

       What, what's the physical requirement? Like, what would you actually-

   20. JWJocko Willink8:46

       The physical, the physical requirements are pretty low, actually. They're not anything crazy. And if you were, like, a normal high school athlete, you have the physical capabilities of doing it.

   21. JDJeff Dye8:55

       Interesting.

   22. JWJocko Willink8:55

       Yeah. But once you get in there, it's definitely challenging from a physical perspective, only in the sense that you get so physically beaten down and broken down that mentally you have to be able to hang on, so.

   23. JDJeff Dye9:08

       Mm.

   24. JWJocko Willink9:08

       It's... You know, everybody says it's, it's more mental than physical. That's not really true either, because if you can't climb that damn rope-

   25. JDJeff Dye9:14

       Yeah

   26. JWJocko Willink9:15

       ... then you're not making it through.

   27. JDJeff Dye9:15

       How high is the rope again?

   28. JWJocko Willink9:16

       There's 30-foot ropes. There's 10-foot ropes. There's a bunch of different ropes. That's just one example, obviously. But some guys, "You know, it's all mental." No, you need to train physically-

   29. JDJeff Dye9:24

       Mm

   30. JWJocko Willink9:25

       ... because otherwise you won't be able to get through any of the basic physical competency tests that you're gonna get. But it is mental, too, 'cause you can have total studs going through there, and they quit just as much as a, a slacker.
4. 20:17 – 24:35

   The Most Uncontrollable Navy SEALs

   1. CWChris Williamson20:17

      been tracked. What are, without saying who it is or whatever, what are some of the, like, most extreme guys that you'd seen either in the SEALs or that you'd heard about, like people who had a... You- you're talking about very, very extreme people in a group of very extreme people.

   2. JWJocko Willink20:33

      Yeah.

   3. CWChris Williamson20:34

      Are there any examples that sort of come to mind where you think, "Fuck"?

   4. JWJocko Willink20:36

      I, I mean, guys, there's guys that definitely would get kicked out of the military because they got in too many fights, got drunk too many times. And again, those guys, a lot of the times, those are guys that you would want in war, 100%. So the, you know, what you're looking for optimally is a guy that can contain that enough that they can make it [laughs] and, and still deploy.

   5. CWChris Williamson20:58

      Just about hold on.

   6. JWJocko Willink20:59

      Yeah. Just about hold on. And of course, you know, you need, like, the real professional guys and, that are, that are gonna keep control of those dudes. Because if you don't have that, then it's gonna get out of control real quick. And occasionally, like, platoons would get... This is in the SEAL teams. A platoon would get disbanded. They would just take a whole platoon and just disband a platoon, and usually that was because the leadership didn't have control over the boys. And if the boys get out of control like that, eh, there's nothing gonna stop them, and eventually they're just gonna get in enough fights and break enough stuff and, you know, just do bad stuff.

   7. MMMatt McCusker21:32

      Sickery script.

   8. JWJocko Willink21:34

      Yeah, that-

   9. CWChris Williamson21:34

      It's, it's like, uh, the-

   10. MMMatt McCusker21:35

       Lord of the Flies with Navy SEALs

   11. CWChris Williamson21:36

       ... guys at the back of the, the kids at the back of the class that always sit in a row and they always disrupt everybody else.

   12. JWJocko Willink21:41

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson21:41

       And you're like, "Hey, no, you, you, you gotta be over there. You're on a different-"

   14. JWJocko Willink21:44

       The concept of the movie The Dirty Dozen, right, is like we got these guys, they're all in the brig. Like, they're criminals, but we've got this kind of mission that needs to get done. Cool. We'll put tape them and put them over here. That's what we're gonna do. So there is an element of that. You know, you don't, you don't wake up like me. I'm a kid. What do... You ask a kid, "What do you wanna do when you grow up?" "Oh, I wanna go carry a machine gun and kill people." That's not, that's not a normal thing, right?

   15. CWChris Williamson22:07

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JWJocko Willink22:07

       So you've got those people. That's what we wanna do. And so of course you're gonna end up with some people that are like, that can't really, can't contain that as well. And it's, you know, it's, it's a bummer, but it's also, again, go look at the history of American heroes. Not all of them. Some of them are Boy Scouts, right? Some of them are legit Boy Scouts, and they were, they were just good people that joined the military for God and country. There's, that's absolutely an element of our American heritage. But there's another American heritage of Hells Angels, right? You're in the military, but you could've been in the Hells Angels 'cause you wanna fight and you wanna carry a machine gun and kill people. That's... Of course, you got people like that, and, you know, that's what, that's what the military is. It's made up of those and, and the military puts, like you were saying earlier, you, you needed discipline. You needed some direction and, and that's true for a lot of young men that wanna fight, they wanna carry a machine gun, they wanna go to war. If you don't join the military, what are you gonna do? You're gonna end up in-

   17. CWChris Williamson23:06

       Right

   18. JWJocko Willink23:06

       ... some kind of a gang. You're gonna be a cri- criminal of some kind. So cool. Join the military. We'll take that energy, we'll take that aggression, we'll take that testosterone, and we'll do something totally productive with it. And, and, and most of the time, you know, most of the people in the military, they're able to contain it, and they, they get through, or they get through their career, and then it's fine. Occasionally, a guy, like, just as a little off gas happens, and boom, you get a little explosion and somebody gets stabbed, somebody gets, you know, whatever. S- big fights happen and bad things go down and people get kicked out of the military or they get sent to the brig or whatever.

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5. 24:35 – 37:08

   Do Dolphins Work For the Navy SEALs?

   1. CWChris Williamson24:35

      at checkout.

   2. MMMatt McCusker24:36

      Yeah. I, I remember I was in, uh, I figure, I think I was in, like, Tucson, and there was, uh, there was a bunch of Navy SEALs there, and they had met me after a show. And we're all just, like, hanging out, and I, I met them before in San Diego, and they're ju- you know, just chilling. And they're pretty, like, it's, like, plain clothes. It's just, like, pretty much flannels and shit. And, uh-

   3. JWJocko Willink24:53

      These two girls were there talking to him by the time I got there, and then the girls were with these guys who kinda came later and started kinda, like, puffing their feathers up and, and they had no idea these guys were, like, Navy SEALs. And I was watching the whole time like, "Please fucking kick their ass. I wanna see it so bad."

   4. JDJeff Dye25:07

      Yeah.

   5. JWJocko Willink25:07

      But they, they were, they were reserved. They had one guy finally went up... It was, there was like eight of them.

   6. JDJeff Dye25:11

      Yeah.

   7. JWJocko Willink25:11

      I'm like, "Dude, you guys are gonna die."

   8. JDJeff Dye25:13

      Well, they kinda know that the, there's been light work, you know? There's some-

   9. JWJocko Willink25:16

      Exactly. They were-

   10. JDJeff Dye25:16

       Yeah. They're the same worth

   11. JWJocko Willink25:17

       ... they were kinda laughing. But at the same time you could really see them kinda like-

   12. JDJeff Dye25:20

       Yeah.

   13. JWJocko Willink25:21

       And then eventually one went up to them, was like, said something to them. They were just like, "Oh, okay," and then left. And, uh-

   14. JDJeff Dye25:25

       Where can I get one of those working dogs? I hate my Amazon delivery guy.

   15. JWJocko Willink25:29

       [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   16. JDJeff Dye25:30

       I tell him, "Put the packages on the patio. Don't leave it at the door."

   17. JWJocko Willink25:34

       The selection-

   18. JDJeff Dye25:35

       Gonna buy a German shepherd

   19. JWJocko Willink25:35

       ... the selection, the selection of working dogs is probably the most stringent, way more stringent than any military special operations selection process. The amount of dogs that enter the pipeline to become a working dog is probably, like, one out of every 20 or 30 that actually become a full-fledged working dog. Yeah.

   20. JDJeff Dye25:54

       Any girl dogs?

   21. JWJocko Willink25:55

       I don't know. I n- I think so.

   22. JDJeff Dye25:57

       Why?

   23. JWJocko Willink25:58

       I think so.

   24. JDJeff Dye25:58

       Why is it, why, what, why?

   25. JWJocko Willink25:59

       He hates girls.

   26. JDJeff Dye26:00

       No, that's not true at all.

   27. JWJocko Willink26:01

       Ah. [laughs] He hates girls.

   28. JDJeff Dye26:01

       Is it so they can't join the WNBA? Is that why?

   29. JWJocko Willink26:04

       [laughs]

   30. JDJeff Dye26:04

       No, no, no. I was trying to say it would be that women could start using that argument. Like, there's plenty of girl dogs in the Navy SEALs.
6. 37:08 – 38:34

   Could You Run a Marathon in Wheelies?

   1. MMMatt McCusker37:08

      dude.

   2. JDJeff Dye37:08

      Yeah, no.

   3. CWChris Williamson37:08

      A guy from the UK ran a marathon in wheelies.

   4. JDJeff Dye37:11

      Really?

   5. MMMatt McCusker37:12

      Stop.

   6. JDJeff Dye37:12

      That's cheating though.

   7. MMMatt McCusker37:13

      Isn't that cheating?

   8. CWChris Williamson37:13

      But it was way harder. It was infinitely harder.

   9. MMMatt McCusker37:16

      [laughs]

   10. CWChris Williamson37:16

       Like, 'cause only, the only way that it's better is if it's mostly downhill.

   11. MMMatt McCusker37:20

       Yo. [laughs]

   12. CWChris Williamson37:21

       Right?

   13. MMMatt McCusker37:21

       I hope it's downhill. [laughs]

   14. CWChris Williamson37:22

       And he, he, he only wheelied for very small parts of it, and like if you think about how you have to run, you have to run right on the forefoot or else you've just-

   15. JDJeff Dye37:29

       What is everyone doing?

   16. CWChris Williamson37:29

       It's basically an unstable fucking surface.

   17. MMMatt McCusker37:30

       Don't they retract? I thought they retracted somehow.

   18. CWChris Williamson37:33

       I'd... You'd know the technology-

   19. MMMatt McCusker37:34

       Oh

   20. CWChris Williamson37:34

       ... of the wheelie better than I do.

   21. JDJeff Dye37:35

       What is that?

   22. MMMatt McCusker37:36

       He can't even talk about it. [laughs]

   23. CWChris Williamson37:37

       Yeah. [laughs]

   24. JDJeff Dye37:37

       Oh, it's classified.

   25. CWChris Williamson37:41

       [laughs] That's classified.

   26. JDJeff Dye37:43

       What is everyone doing though? Like th- like-

   27. MMMatt McCusker37:45

       That's a cool thing

   28. JDJeff Dye37:46

       ... I just did a Navy SEALs podcast yesterday, Sean Johnson, the security guy for Joe Rogan or whatever, and he's a great guy. Good... And he was like, "Yeah, our guest before us ran 500 miles," uh, or he ran-

   29. CWChris Williamson37:55

       On psilocybin or whatever

   30. JDJeff Dye37:56

       ... on psilocy- Go, "Why didn't you... What are we doing?" Now, now it's not a... Oh, you, you hear about David Goggins. You go, "The guy ran a fucking fuck ton." And he goes, "Yeah, but this guy ran a fuck ton on drugs." And you go, "Oh, okay." And then now this guy's running a fuck ton with wheelies. What's everyone up to?
7. 38:34 – 44:32

   Is Climbing Everest a Good Idea?

   1. CWChris Williamson38:34

      Uh, Nims Purja-

   2. MMMatt McCusker38:36

      Yeah

   3. CWChris Williamson38:36

      ... passed away.

   4. MMMatt McCusker38:36

      Yeah. Terrible

   5. CWChris Williamson38:37

      You know th- that guy? He was the, the, uh, best death zone mountaineer on the planet.

   6. MMMatt McCusker38:43

      Yeah.

   7. CWChris Williamson38:44

      And, uh, he had the Netflix documentary. Did, did my show, did Rogan's show, and, uh, he passed away just doing some mountaineering stuff.

   8. MMMatt McCusker38:52

      Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson38:52

      Like he was a, a, not Gurkha. What's the-

   10. MMMatt McCusker38:56

       Yeah, he was Gurkha. Well-

   11. CWChris Williamson38:57

       Was-

   12. MMMatt McCusker38:57

       ... he, he was, but then he eventually went into the-

   13. CWChris Williamson38:58

       Yeah, so he's like British Special Forces SAS.

   14. MMMatt McCusker39:01

       Oh, wow

   15. CWChris Williamson39:01

       Uh, and then, I mean, he did these ascents and descents without oxygen, like the most gnarly shit. Like, "Oh, we're at the top of Everest and some guy needs oxygen-"

   16. MMMatt McCusker39:11

       Yeah

   17. CWChris Williamson39:11

       ... "and we don't have any. I'll just give him mine and I'll just go down normally." Uh-

   18. MMMatt McCusker39:15

       God damn

   19. CWChris Williamson39:15

       ... and yeah, he, the, he, he, that was, he, he did it.

   20. MMMatt McCusker39:18

       Yeah. His whole, his whole party was knocked out. 10 guys.

   21. JDJeff Dye39:19

       Yeah, but if a guy could do that on psilocybin, you know?

   22. MMMatt McCusker39:22

       That's another thing.

   23. CWChris Williamson39:23

       That might've actually been the thing that could have fixed it.

   24. JDJeff Dye39:25

       Yeah. Wait, maybe he could do that with wheelies. We could talk to him.

   25. MMMatt McCusker39:29

       Everest with wheelies is actually harder, like completely harder.

   26. CWChris Williamson39:31

       The first guy to summit Everest without legs just happened.

   27. JDJeff Dye39:34

       Oh, Jesus Christ. This is what I'm talking about.

   28. CWChris Williamson39:36

       So like no, no-

   29. JDJeff Dye39:37

       That's so impressive. What, he doesn't have legs

   30. CWChris Williamson39:38

       ... get the, get the video up, Jared
8. 44:32 – 51:14

   The Privacy Problem With High-Rise Living

   1. JDJeff Dye44:32

      It's pretty fucking cool.

   2. MMMatt McCusker44:33

      What's your favorite element, or least favorite element? Uh, man, I li- kinda like them all.

   3. JDJeff Dye44:41

      Do you really?

   4. MMMatt McCusker44:42

      They're all, they're all a little bit different.

   5. JDJeff Dye44:43

      Yeah.

   6. MMMatt McCusker44:43

      You know? Um, but growing, when I was growing up, you know, I was a kid in New England, and, like, I thought I was gonna be fighting in, you know, the... I thought I was gonna be fighting in Vietnam, but I ended up fighting in the, in the desert and in the city environment, so I guess I'm kinda like that.

   7. CWChris Williamson44:56

      So you went from humid jungle to open urban sand.

   8. MMMatt McCusker45:01

      Yeah. Yeah. Or city.

   9. CWChris Williamson45:02

      Mm.

   10. MMMatt McCusker45:03

       You know, the city environment.

   11. CWChris Williamson45:04

       Mm-hmm.

   12. MMMatt McCusker45:05

       But they're all, they all have their own little unique challenges, and it's always interesting.

   13. CWChris Williamson45:08

       Yeah.

   14. MMMatt McCusker45:08

       And you gotta get good at each particular one. And I would al- I always say I'd rather be cold than too, too cold-

   15. CWChris Williamson45:14

       Yeah

   16. MMMatt McCusker45:15

       ... or too hot, but-

   17. JDJeff Dye45:16

       The woods. That's, that's so Maine, right? The woods?

   18. MMMatt McCusker45:18

       Yeah, yeah.

   19. JDJeff Dye45:19

       Bigfoot. You might be the guy.

   20. MMMatt McCusker45:21

       Oh, that's right. You're a Bigfoot guy, huh?

   21. JDJeff Dye45:22

       Well, I'm just saying.

   22. MMMatt McCusker45:23

       [laughs]

   23. JDJeff Dye45:23

       Let's get you, let's get you in the woods back to where, you know, you know.

   24. MMMatt McCusker45:26

       Back to the roots.

   25. JDJeff Dye45:26

       You said you like all the area, and then-

   26. MMMatt McCusker45:28

       [laughs]

   27. JDJeff Dye45:28

       ... let's get you to kill one of these fuckers. You're the guy.

   28. MMMatt McCusker45:31

       Could be. Could be.

   29. JDJeff Dye45:32

       Why not, man?

   30. MMMatt McCusker45:34

       I don't know. Uh-
9. 51:14 – 1:01:12

   How Embarrassment Pushed Jeff Into Sobriety

   1. CWChris Williamson51:14

      Uh, how, how is sobriety going? I know that this has been-

   2. JDJeff Dye51:16

      It's been great

   3. CWChris Williamson51:17

      ... a big, big pivot for you.

   4. MMMatt McCusker51:18

      How long has it been?

   5. JDJeff Dye51:19

      I ti- uh, two years and nine months.

   6. MMMatt McCusker51:20

      Wa- was there, like, a straw that broke the camel's back?

   7. JDJeff Dye51:22

      Um-

   8. MMMatt McCusker51:23

      Like some children's event that you went to, you finally got-

   9. JDJeff Dye51:25

      [laughs]

   10. MMMatt McCusker51:25

       ... finally got kicked out of?

   11. JDJeff Dye51:26

       Now, stop saying children's event.

   12. MMMatt McCusker51:29

       [laughs]

   13. JDJeff Dye51:31

       No, uh, nothing that stands out. I mean, getting arrested and crashing my car and fighting some cops, that, that part, it was that. Yeah-

   14. MMMatt McCusker51:37

       Yeah, that, that happened

   15. JDJeff Dye51:38

       ... it was a big dramatic thing. It was a huge, it was a huge embarrassment.

   16. MMMatt McCusker51:41

       How'd the fight go?

   17. JDJeff Dye51:42

       Terrible for me.

   18. MMMatt McCusker51:42

       You don't train, neither do you.

   19. JDJeff Dye51:43

       Yeah, yeah. Those boys can fight.

   20. MMMatt McCusker51:45

       [laughs] Yeah.

   21. JDJeff Dye51:47

       I was a little... You know, it was a little blurry for me, if I'm honest.

   22. MMMatt McCusker51:49

       [laughs]

   23. JDJeff Dye51:50

       No, um-

   24. MMMatt McCusker51:50

       So you were drunk, got in a fight, and that was it for you. You said, "No more."

   25. JDJeff Dye51:53

       Yeah, 'cause I mean, like, also, like, I had been thinking, uh, I should be giving up the bottle for a long time.

   26. MMMatt McCusker52:00

       Hmm.

   27. JDJeff Dye52:00

       Like, it's in your mind. You're like going, "Eh, maybe..." 'Cause drinking's great, and drinking's fun until it's, till you get sad-

   28. MMMatt McCusker52:05

       Yeah

   29. JDJeff Dye52:05

       ... or till you, you know, till something bad happens or till... So drinking has a lot of positive experiences, but it was, it was time to, time to wrap it up. But it's been great, and I, in my act I always joke about all the negatives of sobriety, but the truth is, like, it's fantastic and I'm very happy I did it.

   30. CWChris Williamson52:19

       Unreal.
10. 1:01:12 – 1:05:32

    Why Men Can’t Win During Labour

    1. CWChris Williamson1:01:12

       Well, it's interesting you say that because we got... I didn't know whether or not I was gonna do this. We also have Hunter Biden on the podcast on Monday-

    2. MMMatt McCusker1:01:18

       Nice

    3. CWChris Williamson1:01:18

       ... which is gonna be fucking hilarious. So it's either today- we're gonna do it today or I'm gonna offer it to Hunter Biden. We have period cramp simulators here.

    4. MMMatt McCusker1:01:26

       This is some sort of feminist propaganda, isn't it?

    5. CWChris Williamson1:01:29

       [laughs] It- this is because of your WNBA thing.

    6. MMMatt McCusker1:01:30

       Yeah. True.

    7. CWChris Williamson1:01:31

       I know. It can stay, it can stay overnight. We're gonna do it to Hunter.

    8. MMMatt McCusker1:01:32

       How would we even know-

    9. CWChris Williamson1:01:33

       Hunter Bi- It's like some electronic-

    10. MMMatt McCusker1:01:35

        ... if it's the same?

    11. CWChris Williamson1:01:36

        ... thing, but we gave it to one of-

    12. MMMatt McCusker1:01:37

        Have you done it?

    13. CWChris Williamson1:01:37

        We... No. W- we gave it to one of the guy- I'm gonna have to do it before Monday if I'm gonna get Hunter Biden to do it.

    14. MMMatt McCusker1:01:41

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:01:42

        Um, we gave it to one of the guys and he said, "I'm gonna test it on my arm."

    16. MMMatt McCusker1:01:45

        With period cramps.

    17. CWChris Williamson1:01:45

        And he had, uh, he had his wedding ring on. His wedding ring immediately started heating up, and he wasn't able to, like, close his hand for, like, a couple of hours.

    18. MMMatt McCusker1:01:54

        Yeah.

    19. CWChris Williamson1:01:54

        Like, Nick couldn't feel his fucking arm.

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:01:55

        Wait, you t- you, you ingest it or do you inject it?

    21. CWChris Williamson1:01:57

        It... No, it's like a, it's one of those kind of like-

    22. MMMatt McCusker1:02:00

        A patch?

    23. CWChris Williamson1:02:00

        ... an AB machine-

    24. MMMatt McCusker1:02:01

        Oh ... type thing. Got it, got it. Yeah

    25. CWChris Williamson1:02:02

        ... and it grr.

    26. MMMatt McCusker1:02:03

        Yeah.

    27. CWChris Williamson1:02:03

        And it's supposed to simulate-

    28. MMMatt McCusker1:02:05

        You immediately start want- watching Sex and the City. Yeah. [laughs]

    29. CWChris Williamson1:02:08

        [laughs] Yeah.

    30. MMMatt McCusker1:02:09

        Try to dump- You immediately order stuff off of Amazon ... at least you were able to even dump.
11. 1:05:32 – 1:07:39

    Why Jocko Didn’t Have a Batchelor Party

    1. MMMatt McCusker1:05:32

       [laughs] It's like-

    2. CWChris Williamson1:05:32

       I wanna know what your bachelor party looked like. What does Jocko's bachelor party look like?

    3. MMMatt McCusker1:05:37

       [laughs] I don't think I... I, I didn't even have one. No bachelor party? Yeah. I mean, ev- my wife and I got married in the San Diego courthouse, you know, like, on a Thursday afternoon. Mm. Nice. I was wearing a T-shirt and a, and a pair of surf shorts and flip-flops and went down, got married.

    4. CWChris Williamson1:05:50

       It was a minimum viable wedding.

    5. MMMatt McCusker1:05:52

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Who was your best man? Uh, I didn't have a best man there. Just, like, my platoon chief came down and was like, "You have to bring a witness." Yeah. So I was like, "Hey, Chief," and he's like, "Yep." So we just went down there and got it done. [laughs] It's the best.

    6. CWChris Williamson1:06:03

       Sorry, sorry. Referring to your wedding as went down there and got it done. [laughs]

    7. MMMatt McCusker1:06:09

       Yeah. In and out. It was fucking crazy. record time. Clear. The c- [laughs] You know what's really crazy? Is we've been married for, like, almost 30 years. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like-

    8. CWChris Williamson1:06:18

       Unreal. And she's British

    9. MMMatt McCusker1:06:19

       ... we didn't do this big ceremony, and she's a Brit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Who needs flowers? Yeah. Me and my wife actually did it during COVID, same thing. We got a packet of papers from City Hall. It f- Pennsylvania's like a Quaker state, technically, so we did a, it's called a Quaker ceremony where you just get the packets from the city hall, bring it home, you sign it, and you have to give it, like, 48 hours, and then, like, your neighbor can come witness and sign, and then you're good to go. Yeah.

    10. CWChris Williamson1:06:41

        What'd you give it 48 hours for? Like, to let it cool or something?

    11. MMMatt McCusker1:06:44

        I think just- Yeah, let it cool out. Yeah, it isn't just, you know- Sober up ... it's not Vegas. You know what I mean? You gotta- We- ... cool out ... we did do a, we went to England and did, we, I don't know what, I don't know if this is an official thing, but they called it a blessing where we did, like, a, a marriage thing in England where we pretended like we were getting married even though we were already married. Yeah. And everyone knew that we were married.

    12. CWChris Williamson1:07:00

        Dressed up and-

    13. MMMatt McCusker1:07:01

        Yeah, we dressed up and all that stuff.

    14. CWChris Williamson1:07:02

        Oh, it's like the ceremonial weigh-in.

    15. MMMatt McCusker1:07:04

        Yeah, like a ceremonial weigh-in. Exactly. We did the ceremony-

    16. CWChris Williamson1:07:06

        [laughs]

    17. MMMatt McCusker1:07:06

        ... even though my wife was pregnant at the time, you know? Which was-

    18. CWChris Williamson1:07:09

        Dude

    19. MMMatt McCusker1:07:09

        ... yeah.

    20. CWChris Williamson1:07:09

        Fucking same thing.

    21. MMMatt McCusker1:07:10

        Yeah, exactly.

    22. CWChris Williamson1:07:10

        We did the, we had a party afterwards, and she was pregnant for it. Tier one

    23. JDJeff Dye1:07:14

        ... ceremonial wedding.

    24. CWChris Williamson1:07:15

        Yeah, we had-

    25. JDJeff Dye1:07:16

        Yeah, you are tier one.

    26. CWChris Williamson1:07:16

        We were both tier one

    27. JDJeff Dye1:07:17

        Yeah, special wedding

    28. CWChris Williamson1:07:17

        ... and this is how you do it. You go handle it, and then we did-

    29. JDJeff Dye1:07:19

        Yeah

    30. CWChris Williamson1:07:19

        ... we did the dog and pony show-
12. 1:07:39 – 1:17:47

    Is Sober Dating Like Love On the Spectrum?

    1. CWChris Williamson1:07:39

       Uh, has dating changed since you've stopped drinking, given that that was-

    2. JDJeff Dye1:07:41

       Yeah, it sucks now.

    3. MMMatt McCusker1:07:42

       Yeah.

    4. CWChris Williamson1:07:42

       Why?

    5. JDJeff Dye1:07:43

       'Cause drinking was a whole part of that.

    6. MMMatt McCusker1:07:45

       W- women got uglier. [laughs]

    7. CWChris Williamson1:07:45

       What's that?

    8. MMMatt McCusker1:07:45

       I said the women got uglier for you. [laughs]

    9. JDJeff Dye1:07:47

       Yeah, you go, "Who's this? What's her name?" Uh, yeah, the w- that is way harder. 'Cause, like, drinking was, is the easiest thing. You wanna get drinks?

    10. MMMatt McCusker1:07:56

        Mm.

    11. JDJeff Dye1:07:56

        Hey, you wanna go, like-

    12. MMMatt McCusker1:07:56

        Yeah

    13. JDJeff Dye1:07:56

        ... it's just the way, and now, like-

    14. MMMatt McCusker1:07:58

        You wanna go to a coffee shop and both get nervous in front of each other?

    15. JDJeff Dye1:08:01

        Exactly.

    16. MMMatt McCusker1:08:02

        [laughs]

    17. JDJeff Dye1:08:02

        That's what it feels like. Like, I literally, uh, have been hanging out with this, this woman who I really like, and she's like... I literally texted her, 'cause it was just not going well in the texts. You know, she's, she's a, a girl I know from comedy. And I, and I was like, "Hey, I think you're really attractive and you're nice to me. Like, uh, would you like to go out?" Like, I just had to eventually, like, just be direct.

    18. CWChris Williamson1:08:21

        Say the thing.

    19. JDJeff Dye1:08:22

        Yeah, because I couldn't just be like, "We're getting drinks after comedy," and then we would've, like, flirted there-

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:08:26

        Mm

    21. JDJeff Dye1:08:26

        ... and then that would've went whatever way it would've went.

    22. MMMatt McCusker1:08:28

        Yeah. It's like Love on the Spectrum right away, where like-

    23. JDJeff Dye1:08:30

        Yeah

    24. MMMatt McCusker1:08:30

        ... "I'd like to see you."

    25. JDJeff Dye1:08:31

        It feels exactly like that.

    26. MMMatt McCusker1:08:32

        [laughs]

    27. JDJeff Dye1:08:32

        Yeah. And then we watch anime and drink Mountain Dew for dinner.

    28. CWChris Williamson1:08:35

        You're saying sober dating is like Love on the Spectrum?

    29. JDJeff Dye1:08:37

        It is.

    30. CWChris Williamson1:08:38

        Okay.
13. 1:17:47 – 1:23:00

    Do Single Guys Go Crazy After 7pm?

    1. MMMatt McCusker1:17:47

       Yeah. Do you get lonely when you're just sitting there?

    2. JDJeff Dye1:17:49

       Yeah. We're all lonely. I'm super lonely. I don't think that has to do with single guy. I think we're all lonely.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:17:54

       Oh, I've got, I got a theory that single guys after 7:00 PM in the house go completely fucking insane.

    4. JDJeff Dye1:17:59

       [laughs]

    5. MMMatt McCusker1:18:00

       Absolutely.

    6. JDJeff Dye1:18:01

       Well, you nailed it.

    7. CWChris Williamson1:18:02

       There is nothing that single guys in the house can do between the hours of, like, 7:00 PM and 11:00 PM-

    8. JDJeff Dye1:18:07

       That's great

    9. CWChris Williamson1:18:07

       ... that isn't fucking weird. But Jo- Joe Santagato was telling me one of his-

    10. JDJeff Dye1:18:11

        Perfect

    11. CWChris Williamson1:18:11

        ... one of his friends got out of a relationship and started sending him headstand videos.

    12. MMMatt McCusker1:18:15

        [laughs]

    13. CWChris Williamson1:18:17

        It's like, are you doing headstands?

    14. MMMatt McCusker1:18:19

        Yeah, got into it.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:18:19

        It's like, it's like needy time-

    16. MMMatt McCusker1:18:20

        Saw it on YouTube

    17. CWChris Williamson1:18:21

        ... it's like, it's like needy time for bed.

    18. MMMatt McCusker1:18:22

        [laughs] Oh, my G-

    19. CWChris Williamson1:18:22

        Like, what are you, like, doing stuff?

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:18:24

        Why are you upside down?

    21. CWChris Williamson1:18:25

        Yeah.

    22. JDJeff Dye1:18:25

        It's really funny.

    23. MMMatt McCusker1:18:26

        [laughs]

    24. CWChris Williamson1:18:26

        Guys after 7:00 PM kind of go a bit insane.

    25. JDJeff Dye1:18:28

        No, I think you're right. I think it's a hilarious sentence, but it, I think it might be something to it.

    26. MMMatt McCusker1:18:32

        Yeah, I-

    27. CWChris Williamson1:18:33

        If you're not working and you're not going out partying and doing stuff-

    28. JDJeff Dye1:18:35

        You need a purpose. Yeah, yeah

    29. CWChris Williamson1:18:35

        ... like, oh, w- w- well, I'm gonna start doing, like, emails at this time.

    30. MMMatt McCusker1:18:39

        Yeah. Yeah. I, I sadly absolutely need a woman to structure my life. Otherwise, it's just I'm toast. I can't do it by myself.
14. 1:23:00 – 1:30:27

    Why Social Dating is Too Complicated

    1. JDJeff Dye1:23:00

       is greener.

    2. MMMatt McCusker1:23:00

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:23:01

       What's the weirdest date you've been on since you've been sober?

    4. JDJeff Dye1:23:04

       Um, I haven't done any dates really. Yeah.

    5. MMMatt McCusker1:23:09

       Smash and grabs. [laughs]

    6. JDJeff Dye1:23:13

       [laughs] His words, not mine. I actually hope you have no female viewers.

    7. CWChris Williamson1:23:18

       Not anymore.

    8. JDJeff Dye1:23:19

       Yeah, they're gonna go, "This guy sucks."

    9. MMMatt McCusker1:23:22

       No dates.

    10. JDJeff Dye1:23:23

        Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess they are dates, they're just not very formal. It's not like we're going to, like, a thing.

    11. MMMatt McCusker1:23:28

        Just eating pussy, right? [laughs]

    12. JDJeff Dye1:23:29

        No, no, I mean... I guess... Oh, I'll tell you one. Here's one. We went to a movie and dinner. That's a date, right?

    13. MMMatt McCusker1:23:34

        That's a date. Yeah.

    14. JDJeff Dye1:23:35

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. MMMatt McCusker1:23:35

        How was it?

    16. JDJeff Dye1:23:36

        Um, God, it was not good. [laughs] You ever had a woman come out to... You know, you can't go, "Go back to your house and change." You know, you can't-

    17. MMMatt McCusker1:23:45

        What?

    18. JDJeff Dye1:23:45

        Like, she came out of her house and I go, "Jesus, I'm gonna be walking around with this."

    19. MMMatt McCusker1:23:48

        What was the outfit?

    20. JDJeff Dye1:23:49

        She- it was ridiculous. It was, it was, it was like, uh, we were going to a swingers party or something. I'm going, "Now I have to w-" 'Cause I dress pretty, you know, cowboy guy, you know? And I was going, uh-

    21. MMMatt McCusker1:23:58

        She was scantily clad, you're saying?

    22. JDJeff Dye1:23:59

        ... well, very, very revealing clothes. Silky, like, little, like one-piece dress.

    23. CWChris Williamson1:24:04

        This was a problem for you?

    24. JDJeff Dye1:24:05

        No, it's not a problem necessarily if I already loved her or something, but it's a first date. We're look- we're, we're judging each other, you know? It's kind of a first date.

    25. MMMatt McCusker1:24:12

        Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    26. JDJeff Dye1:24:12

        So I'm going, "I don't need this," you know? But anyway, she gets in my truck and we go. And, um, the part that made me think of it is we were watching a movie called Backrooms.

    27. MMMatt McCusker1:24:21

        Mm.

    28. JDJeff Dye1:24:21

        Now, the, I won't spoil it for anybody who hasn't seen Backrooms, it's still in theaters or whatever, but the idea is that, like, you're trying to put together what's happening as the movie's going. So I'm in. I'm all in. I'm like, "This movie rules." And she keeps talking. She's like, "And this is, this guy is in, I think he's in this other movie." And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, he's in a lot of movies." You know? And she just keeps talking and I don't want her talking during the movie. It's like I was with my niece or something, and I was just kinda, like, trying to give her the signals, you know, that I don't like it. After, like, an hour into the movie, I'm liking the movie, the movie rules, I'm excited, I'm trying to figure out where it's going. Also, all my friends saw it, like, the night before, so I'm excited to be able to talk about the thing. And then she goes, "This movie sucks. Let's leave." And I was like, "Goddammit." And so we left. Never got to see the other half of Backrooms. And people are like, "How was it?" And I go, "I don't know. I saw the beginning and I don't know." But I left because I'm a good guy.

    29. CWChris Williamson1:25:08

        Did you pump? Did you-

    30. JDJeff Dye1:25:09

        Do we... I, I-
15. 1:30:27 – 1:34:22

    Are Women Trying to Reset Their Body Count?

    1. CWChris Williamson1:30:28

       some people are reportedly spending up to $13,000 in an effort to reset their body count to zero.

    2. JDJeff Dye1:30:33

       Oh, yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:30:33

       A clinic in Brazil is offering hymen reconstruction surgery, with reports claiming many of its patients are women over 30 who want a fresh start before entering a serious relationship or marriage. Jocko, you've got a very different kind of body count.

    4. JDJeff Dye1:30:46

       [laughs] Jesus Christ.

    5. CWChris Williamson1:30:46

       Would you consider hymen surgery to reset yours?

    6. MMMatt McCusker1:30:51

       Well, I'm a man.

    7. JDJeff Dye1:30:51

       He doesn't have a hymen.

    8. CWChris Williamson1:30:53

       [laughs]

    9. MMMatt McCusker1:30:54

       You have a gymen. Every guy has gymen.

    10. CWChris Williamson1:30:55

        But you do have a very different kind of body count to the ones that the girls are going to go and do, right?

    11. JDJeff Dye1:30:58

        And neither one of them can reset it.

    12. CWChris Williamson1:31:00

        [laughs]

    13. JDJeff Dye1:31:00

        There's nothing in the world that we can reset either of those.

    14. CWChris Williamson1:31:03

        That's true.

    15. MMMatt McCusker1:31:04

        Yeah.

    16. CWChris Williamson1:31:04

        That's true. But that's, that's a thing. That's chicks going to Brazil, 13,000.

    17. JDJeff Dye1:31:08

        What a, what a-

    18. CWChris Williamson1:31:08

        Oh, there we go

    19. JDJeff Dye1:31:09

        ... what a scam.

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:31:10

        Oh, that... Look, we talk- That's, that's new chapter.

    21. JDJeff Dye1:31:14

        That ought to delete Justin's contact card out of your phone.

    22. CWChris Williamson1:31:19

        There you go. That's it.

    23. MMMatt McCusker1:31:21

        I mean, 13 grand.

    24. CWChris Williamson1:31:23

        True.

    25. JDJeff Dye1:31:24

        Oh, look, look at that virgin.

    26. CWChris Williamson1:31:26

        [laughs]

    27. JDJeff Dye1:31:28

        There she is. She got some flower water poured on her head.

    28. MMMatt McCusker1:31:31

        I would be-

    29. JDJeff Dye1:31:31

        And now that means she didn't bang Ricky.

    30. CWChris Williamson1:31:34

        [laughs]
16. 1:34:22 – 1:46:23

    Why Weed Affects Everyone Differently

    1. CWChris Williamson1:34:22

       uh, are you still on, are you weeding still? Are you still smoking, or is... 'Cause you did for a while, right?

    2. MMMatt McCusker1:34:27

       Yeah, I did for, like a really long time. I, it naturally kinda just fell off, honestly.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:34:30

       So it wasn't a get arrested-

    4. MMMatt McCusker1:34:33

       N- no

    5. CWChris Williamson1:34:33

       ... causes catastrophe.

    6. MMMatt McCusker1:34:33

       Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no.

    7. JDJeff Dye1:34:35

       I got a question for Matt.

    8. MMMatt McCusker1:34:36

       Yeah.

    9. JDJeff Dye1:34:36

       You still drinking raw milk straight from the-

    10. MMMatt McCusker1:34:39

        Absolutely.

    11. JDJeff Dye1:34:39

        Yeah, dude.

    12. MMMatt McCusker1:34:40

        Absolutely. Are you, are you-

    13. JDJeff Dye1:34:41

        'Cause it came up wins

    14. MMMatt McCusker1:34:42

        ... against raw milk?

    15. JDJeff Dye1:34:42

        Not at all.

    16. MMMatt McCusker1:34:42

        Okay.

    17. JDJeff Dye1:34:42

        I thought it was awesome.

    18. MMMatt McCusker1:34:43

        Yeah. It rules.

    19. JDJeff Dye1:34:43

        When you told me about it, I was like, "I gotta try that."

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:34:45

        It, it rules.

    21. JDJeff Dye1:34:46

        The problem is-

    22. MMMatt McCusker1:34:46

        You're against weed

    23. JDJeff Dye1:34:47

        ... my commitment to, like, finding this fucking milk was-

    24. MMMatt McCusker1:34:50

        It's tough

    25. JDJeff Dye1:34:50

        ... not as committed as yours. It's hard to get.

    26. MMMatt McCusker1:34:51

        Go to a farmer's market. Go to a farmer's market.

    27. JDJeff Dye1:34:53

        Well, I don't even, never been to a farmer's market in my life.

    28. MMMatt McCusker1:34:55

        [laughs] That's crazy. Why not?

    29. JDJeff Dye1:34:56

        Those places piss me off, too. I go in, I go, "What is all this dog shit?"

    30. MMMatt McCusker1:35:00

        Farmer's market rules.
17. 1:46:23 – 1:52:46

    Why a 25mm Sniper Rifle Should Never Exist

    1. JWJocko Willink1:46:23

       That's it. Can you tell us about, can you tell that story about the huge fuck off sniper rifle thingy then? [laughs] Oh, yeah. That was so fucking cool. Yeah. Uh, so somebody made a sniper rifle to, to see if this was a good idea, and I, I wanna say it was either a 20 millimeter or a 25, but I think it was a 25 millimeter sniper rifle. And they brought it up to our sniper school, and they wanted to see if this, like it was a viable idea. So a 25 millimeter is massive. This is a massive freaking bullet. And this, uh, they start giving it to the students to see if they can hit anything. Well, you're, you're like bracing for- [laughs] ... for that thing to go off, and no one could shoot it properly. And, you know, guy might hit the target one time, and then they're just so petrified to pull the trigger again. They'd miss, and they would just be like, "Hey, I'm not shooting this anymore." And so I have a buddy who was the senior guy that was in charge of the sniper school, who is one hard, hard individual and a little crazy, and no one could make this gun work. And then finally he's like, "All right, give it to me." And he sat down and just like gritted his teeth and just cracked off a round, hit the target, just sucked it up, cracked off another round, hit the target again, cracked off three. That's like a normal three-round group. Puts it all on target. And the people that had manufactured this weapon are like, "Oh my gosh, it's a viable option." And he just got up and was like, "Do not make this weapon." [laughs] Oh my God. It was just so crazy. But a testament to that dude who is like just a hard, crazy dude. Yeah. I'm like that guy, dude. [laughs] Yeah. He's like the guy, one of the guys we were talking about earlier. Yes. Like, yeah, you know, you, he, he would need an outlet, you know what I mean? But that's exactly who you want in war, like somebody that'd be like, "Oh, you want, no one can do this? Cool. Watch this. I'll do it. I'll d- I'll take whatever concussive impact there is to the shooting of this thing. I'll do it." What is it that's happening if you fire a gun that's that big? Is it just the shockwave? Is it the fact that it's hitting you in the body? Like what, where's the- Yeah, the worst thing is the shockwave. Like the shockwave, that concussive wave that you're gonna get over your head, you know, is gonna be, it's gonna be gnarly. That's the real thing. And it's gonna be like just sickness, disorienting, little like micro- Yeah, it's like getting cracked in the head. You know, like when you spar and you get- Well- ... somebody cracks you and you're like, "Oh." You see that little white flash. And you can still power through it like he did, and then you take another, you know, crack to the head and you're like, "Okay, I can power through it." Is that the you that's cracking you to the head? Yeah, you, you, you're cracking yourself. By pulling the trigger of this thing. And then the next day you're like, "Wow, I wonder why I have this headache." Oh, yeah. I can't remember the last day. Yeah, exactly. Is that not, you know when guys have got huge cannons and they're, like in World War II- Oh, yeah ... and stuff like that, would that not have been that times a thousand? Oh, totally. Totally, yeah. Would it affect a dolphin's brain the same as it would affect a- Possibly. Possibly. I don't know ... if you get the 25 millimeter- Depends, depends on who's riding the thing's back ... just fucking swimming around going, "Ah." [laughs] The shock is what hurts the worst. [laughs] It's not the- Yeah, if you're like, after picking mines off the Strait of Hormuz, yeah, probably. I always think about seeing World War II shit when the guys are just- Oh, yeah ... loading huge shells in- Yeah ... and then they've got a, like a- Yeah ... bathroom light switch pull. I don't know. Boom. Yep. They didn't even wear- Yeah ... hearing protection either. No, yeah. Like, they didn't wear hearing prote- they just, just got some. Yeah. I thought about that today when I was shooting it, just about how much my grandpa would've loved just the technology that was in the scope. Yeah. The scope alone, I was like, "This is pr- I mean, I'm nailing it," because the scope is so accurate and whatever. It's like they, they didn't have any of that, you know? Chasing away. They're just shooting stuff. What's the truth around, there's these rumors, I don't know whether it was World War II or Vietnam or whatever, the number of soldiers that never fired their weapon directly at the enemy. Yeah. N- it's- Does that, did, did that ever get debunked or whatever? Yeah, it got debunked. So there's a guy named S.L.A. Marshall who wrote this book and wrote these theories about how... And he went around and interviewed soldiers, and it turns out, you know, it wasn't true. You know? Like, he used it, and it's kinda, he had the hypothesis going into it, but it wasn't true. And the theory was that maybe people on one side of the battle were not prepared to try and fire their weapon at- Yeah. The, the theory was like it's such an abhorrent thing for humans to like shoot a weapon at other humans that they just would get to that point and they'd go, "I c- I can't do it." And, you know, the, the number was like 10% of Only 10% of the troops d- involved in direct combat would actually engage the enemy. And so that's when they started using man-shaped silhouettes to shoot at-

    2. JDJeff Dye1:50:30

       Hmm. Yeah

    3. JWJocko Willink1:50:31

       ... for targets, and, and even putting, like, pictures, so you're get... Oh, they're gonna condition these guys to be able to shoot, you know, at, at man-shaped targets, because they said they needed that kind of conditioning. But again, the guy, S.L.A. Marshall, he was, you know, he was, like, a reservist, and he was a, he was a journalist in his regular life. So it was kind of him, you know, hyping up a story and-

    4. JDJeff Dye1:50:50

       His sensationalism

    5. JWJocko Willink1:50:51

       ... publishing up, yeah, sensationalism

    6. JDJeff Dye1:50:52

       Wasn't hard to... But it-

    7. CWChris Williamson1:50:53

       Also pretty nuts to explain, like, World War II casualty numbers, be like, "Yeah, it was just 10% of the guys-"

    8. JWJocko Willink1:50:58

       Yeah. [laughs]

    9. CWChris Williamson1:50:58

       "... shooting." [laughs]

    10. JDJeff Dye1:50:59

        Oh, yeah. Imagine if everybody else had decided to fire their weapons.

    11. CWChris Williamson1:51:02

        Yeah, yeah.

    12. JDJeff Dye1:51:02

        There'd just be no one left.

    13. JWJocko Willink1:51:03

        Yeah, yeah.

    14. CWChris Williamson1:51:04

        Yeah, it's pretty nuts.

    15. JWJocko Willink1:51:06

        Yeah, and he, he kind of, he also made some stories up about how much he had been in combat in World War I. So it was the whole thing. And he had a lot of clout inside the military. You know, he had a lot of clout-

    16. JDJeff Dye1:51:15

        Mm-hmm

    17. JWJocko Willink1:51:16

        ... from that. You know, he wr- he wrote that b- that theory. He wrote another theory about how much gu- weight guys can carry. That was a little bit more realistic, but yeah. So it's a little bit debunked.

    18. JDJeff Dye1:51:23

        What happens to guys like that? Is he on, like, a list right now, or is, like, people wanna kill that guy?

    19. JWJocko Willink1:51:28

        Well-

    20. JDJeff Dye1:51:28

        You know, when someone starts publishing shit and making things up, it must piss you off.

    21. JWJocko Willink1:51:32

        Yeah, I think it pisses everyone off.

    22. JDJeff Dye1:51:33

        Yeah, that's my point.

    23. JWJocko Willink1:51:34

        You know? That's a g- it's kind of the, the rule is-

    24. JDJeff Dye1:51:36

        You broke the code

    25. JWJocko Willink1:51:36

        ... yeah. Like, hey, don't try and make yourself into something that you weren't, you know?

    26. JDJeff Dye1:51:40

        Right.

    27. JWJocko Willink1:51:40

        And, and generally speaking, it's like, oh, if you're in the military, good job. Thank you for your service. Whether, you know, there's a whole spectrum of things that you could do, everyone from being a, a supply clerk to somebody that's on the front lines-

    28. JDJeff Dye1:51:51

        Yeah

    29. JWJocko Willink1:51:51

        ... you know, get in direct combat. And it's like, yeah, everyone did their part. Thank you for doing your part. Where people get into trouble is when they make it out to seem as if they did more than they actually did.

    30. JDJeff Dye1:52:03

        That's bullshit.
18. 1:52:46 – 1:58:31

    The Best Perks of Being a Veteran

    1. CWChris Williamson1:52:46

       ... what are the best privileges, vet- veteran privileges that you get? I always hear that you can, uh, active military gets on the plane first. That seems pretty fucking cool.

    2. JWJocko Willink1:52:56

       Yeah.

    3. JDJeff Dye1:52:56

       Not even first.

    4. CWChris Williamson1:52:56

       But what are the others?

    5. JDJeff Dye1:52:57

       Not even first, though. I think ConciergeKey gets on before the military. I swear to God, I don't think they're first.

    6. JWJocko Willink1:53:02

       Well, you can only get ConciergeKey if you're a veteran.

    7. JDJeff Dye1:53:04

       [laughs] I don't think so.

    8. CWChris Williamson1:53:05

       I don't know what that is. What is that?

    9. JDJeff Dye1:53:06

       I th- uh, I don't know.

    10. CWChris Williamson1:53:07

        It's a really rare thing.

    11. JDJeff Dye1:53:07

        Some, like, super sky mile.

    12. CWChris Williamson1:53:09

        You get, like, a million miles.

    13. JDJeff Dye1:53:10

        'Cause I remember, I, I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive it's not military first. It's, like, co- I swear to God, it's like, [laughs] it's, like, Sky Club or something. [laughs]

    14. CWChris Williamson1:53:18

        Yeah, it's some bullshit.

    15. JDJeff Dye1:53:19

        I swear to God.

    16. CWChris Williamson1:53:20

        If you have a Seahawks streaming service-

    17. JDJeff Dye1:53:21

        I could be wrong

    18. CWChris Williamson1:53:22

        ... you can go, you can-

    19. JDJeff Dye1:53:22

        I could be wrong, but I, I'm, I haven't re-

    20. JWJocko Willink1:53:24

        I think, I think, I, I think you're wrong. I think you might be wrong.

    21. JDJeff Dye1:53:26

        Okay, it is military then.

    22. JWJocko Willink1:53:26

        I think, I think active duty military-

    23. JDJeff Dye1:53:28

        Is first

    24. JWJocko Willink1:53:28

        ... goes first.

    25. JDJeff Dye1:53:29

        Okay.

    26. JWJocko Willink1:53:29

        I think that is who goes first. They go right after the pre-boarding.

    27. JDJeff Dye1:53:32

        Oh, okay.

    28. JWJocko Willink1:53:32

        And then it's, like, the-

    29. CWChris Williamson1:53:34

        It's disabled people, people that need-

    30. JWJocko Willink1:53:35

        Yeah

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