Life Hacks 103

Chris Williamson 0:06 Hi there. This week it's another life hacks episode. Johnny and Yousaf from Propain Fitness are joining me as we originally intended to do a podcast about relationships, and we didn't even get round to the topic. So after an hour of us all chatting shit, we decided to just do a life hacks episode. Relationships will be coming up, and I might actually, if enough people are interested, I might just post the hour and a bit of what we ended up talking about, 'cause it was actually pretty funny. Uh, undirectional but quite interesting. Coming up soon I've got Cory Allen from the Astral Hustle Podcast, also the creator of Release Into Now, which is my favorite guided meditation. I'm actually sitting down with him tomorrow and I'm going to be going through from beginning to developing your practice in meditation, how mindfulness can be for everybody. I'm also sitting down with Quinn Hennick from Juggernaut Training Systems to go through some mobility myths and work out, t- try and cut through some of the bullshit about what mobility, stability, and flexibility mean in a performance perspective. And I've managed to get Johann Hari, author of Lost Connections, recently on Joe Rogan's podcast, and an absolute intellectual monster. I managed to get him to say yes to come on. So I- I can't wait to sit down with these guys. Feeling really fortunate. But before that, obviously, biggest guests that I could have, Johnny and Yousaf from Propain Fitness. Let's go.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:44 Excellent.

Chris Williamson 1:45 I guess-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:45 You could go there with your laptop and just-

Chris Williamson 1:46 Wha- what makes, what makes me laugh about that Continental place is the fact that it's the, the quietest bar in all of Newcastle. That's both in terms of customers and volume coming out of the speakers.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:57 Surprisingly quiet for customers.

Chris Williamson 1:58 Yeah. And through the back is a room which is even more private and quiet.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:04 Yeah. That's... It's almost eerie, that room.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 2:07 Like why... What- what's this graveyard room at the back for?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:10 Whose idea was it to put this here? Why is it still here?

Chris Williamson 2:13 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:13 How is this place making any money?

Chris Williamson 2:15 Why are the des- why are the desks laid out like a 1940s exam hall?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:18 And why do they only hire Spanish people?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:20 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 2:21 Well, it's k- it's called Continental, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:23 So it has to... They have to make it authentic, but they give you little bits of steak or whatever as well.

Chris Williamson 2:27 They, they don't have to, like, I- I wouldn't mind...

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:28 They do, they do.

Chris Williamson 2:28 I've never had bits of steak. I just have things that kill him.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:30 Oh, yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:31 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:31 The peanuts... They give you, like, little meatballs. Often pork or peanuts, actually. So...

Chris Williamson 2:36 Okay, so they're either-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:37 A nightmare.

Chris Williamson 2:37 ... sacrilege or fatal-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:40 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 2:40 ... to people in our friendship group.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:41 They're kafir, aren't they?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:42 They are kafir.

Chris Williamson 2:43 They are kafi-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:43 Kafir.

Chris Williamson 2:43 Anyway, life hacks.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:45 Cool.

Chris Williamson 2:45 We're gonna do life hacks 103.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:47 (humming)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:49 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:51 Johnny is delirious after a day of playing golf.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 2:54 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:54 Life hacks 103. (upbeat music)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:02 I know.

Chris Williamson 3:09 Would you believe, would you believe that of all of the things that you do, all of the things that you put your body through-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:15 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 3:16 ... it's 25 to 11:00 and you're wrecked off swinging, swinging around. I mean, what's it, what's a golf club weight? Like-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:24 Oh, that's not hard. That's not hard.

Chris Williamson 3:25 Three kilos? It's the walking.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 3:27 It was the liss.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:29 It is, it is the liss. It's the knepper, the neep. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 3:33 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:34 So many terms for it. You saw the guy in the news recently who was given pregabalin for pain and claimed that it made him gay.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:42 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:43 And then, and then his dad stepped into the newspapers and said, "He's always liked boys, so..."

Chris Williamson 3:49 What's pregabalin?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:50 Yeah, what is pregabalin?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:52 Just a painkiller for neuropathic pain, but like... It, I mean, it definitely is not listed on the side effects that it makes you gay, there is that. There is no-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:00 They would never.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:00 ... question that... Well, unless he is the first recorded case of it, but then I love how his dad was like, "No, no, no, guys, calm down."

Chris Williamson 4:07 "Calm down, mate, stop messing around."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:08 "He's always liked boys."

Chris Williamson 4:09 "You're having... You've had lunch round all week."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:12 (laughs) Shut up, Dad.

Chris Williamson 4:14 And then, you know, "Dad!"

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:14 Oh, man!

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:16 "Okay."

Chris Williamson 4:18 On the topic of, uh, people being scared straight or scared gay, we did Mrs. Empress this week, where two of our event managers dressed up as women for charity, men's prostate cancer, raised money for that. Um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:30 It was really good.

Chris Williamson 4:30 A mental amount of money raised. Like five grand raised in the night, which was-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:32 Great.

Chris Williamson 4:32 ... awesome. Um, and we've got a guy who works for us who's gay, and upon seeing one of our event managers come out dressed as a woman, he said that he'd been scared straight.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:45 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 4:46 (laughs) He said, "I don't like boys anymore."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:50 Changed my mind.

Chris Williamson 4:51 So, you know the, all these-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:52 Savage.

Chris Williamson 4:52 ... pray the gay away camps in America?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:55 No.

Chris Williamson 4:55 We don't need them. Scare them straight.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:57 Pray the gay away?

Chris Williamson 4:58 Have you not seen these?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:59 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:00 The, the priests that are clearly gay themselves, but they're, but they're just-

Chris Williamson 5:03 They're just projecting. They're projecting atheo-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:06 "Project the power of Jesus to make you straight, to make women act normal." It's like...

Chris Williamson 5:10 Right.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:10 They were all Bill Cosby as well, so...

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:12 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:13 You know what I watched last night? I watched, uh, um, an episode of Family Guy where Lauren Conrad from The Hills is on it, and she says, "We've, uh... It's all part of a big pu- publicity stunt at the moment. They're actually CGI-ing a sex tape of me and Bill Cosby." And it's Bill Cosby, like, undressing. "We are gonna do the ziggity zap and the zhu, zhu."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:35 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:36 Like, two years later, that could not be any more inappropriate.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:41 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:42 CGI-ing, uh...

Chris Williamson 5:43 So she said that they were CGI-ing a sex tape of her and him, but this is before all of the shit came out about Bill Cosby.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:49 Oh.

Chris Williamson 5:49 It's so rude. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:50 That, apparently that's gonna become a thing soon, that we're, we're not gonna be able to use video evidence as a, um-

Chris Williamson 5:56 'Cause he was CGI'd, so he's out of it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:57 Because CGI is so manipulative.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:58 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:58 There was a thing like that I saw, must have been, it'll be on Facebook. It'll be fake news probably.

Chris Williamson 6:03 Yeah, but they-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 6:04 It'll be Zuck.

Chris Williamson 6:05 There was a guy, there was a video of Barack Obama-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:08 ... speaking, saying like, really weird shit. It was like, uh, "Donald Trump is, uh, clearly a moron."

Chris Williamson 6:14 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:14 And then it splits the screen, and it's got the guy who's actually doing the voice.

Chris Williamson 6:18 Ah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:19 Whoa. And it's completely-

Chris Williamson 6:20 Overlaying it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:20 ... completely CGI'd-

Chris Williamson 6:22 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:22 ... Obama. And you're like- It's very convincing. ... "That is fucking mental."

Chris Williamson 6:25 But Sam Harris touches on that, right, with the Ham Sarris thing?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:28 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 6:28 Like, the, the sniggy he does.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:30 Someone's made a version of me on the internet.

Chris Williamson 6:32 He says, "I completely support it," and you're like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:35 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 6:35 ... "Mm, there's a little bitty voice that says you don't support it, Ham."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:39 (laughs) So he's made a kind of humorous version of my, uh... And, but, but it's clearly, you know- That's a very good impression.

Chris Williamson 6:44 ... ridiculous, but he d- well, it's not, it's not in fully-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:46 It's slow. It's too fast. That's 'cause you listened to him at one and a half times speed.

Chris Williamson 6:49 It's too

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:49 It sounds-

6:49 And he's very like, "Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba."

Chris Williamson 6:51 It's not in fully formed prose enough.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:53 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 6:53 Like, he, he's just so... It's as if-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:55 "So beginning the podcast, and I'm gonna talk about something very boring for a very long time, and I could do any, could do any breaks."

Chris Williamson 7:00 That's great.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:01 Starts with some housekeeping.

Chris Williamson 7:03 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:04 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:04 To the Sam Harris Podcast.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:07 Ha- Ha- Ham Sarris.

Chris Williamson 7:07 Right. Life hacks 103.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:09 Life hacks.

Chris Williamson 7:10 Um, first one, I've got... I've been collecting these.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:12 Oh my god.

Chris Williamson 7:12 So I've been writing some in on a daily basis. We've had the ones that were, like, apps and stuff so far.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:18 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:18 What I've been doing is I've been using like a note as a, like a life hack diary of stuff that I do and I think-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:24 Oh, that's cool.

Chris Williamson 7:24 ... "I need to put that in a podcast."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:26 Cool.

Chris Williamson 7:26 So first one I've got, uh, unfollow the people that you hate from social media. And both of you are culprits of not doing this.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:34 (laughs) Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:35 And I'm not going to name the plethora of people.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:38 Yeah. It's interesting.

Chris Williamson 7:40 If it... So the thing is this, but-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:42 I think we both get a lot of pleasure out of following the people that... W- oh, I don't know. Is, is it even hate, or is it just like car crash?

Chris Williamson 7:49 It's the, it's the

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:50 She's probably right.

7:50 It's sort of this entertainment.

Chris Williamson 7:51 But it's, but it's not, because you come away from it a lot of the time indignant.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:56 Annoyed. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:56 True.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:57 It was David's analysis of it, of like, she's got-

8:01 She's passing off-

8:02 She's got the gall to p- to assume that... She's passing off, what is it?

8:07 She, she's passing off what is offensively obvious-

8:10 (laughs)

8:10 ... as wisdom. And she's got the arrogance to be doing this.

8:14 (laughs)

8:14 Like, yeah.

8:15 (sighs)

Chris Williamson 8:17 Yeah. It's u- unfollow the people that you hate. Like, you c- especially on Facebook where you don't need to unfriend them.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:23 You can just unfollow.

Chris Williamson 8:24 Unfollow.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:24 You can snooze people as well.

Chris Williamson 8:26 Go into the profile... Yeah, unfollow for 30 days.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:27 Wow. Give them a break.

Chris Williamson 8:28 Um, so go into the profile.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:30 (laughs) For timelapse.

8:30 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 8:30 Click on, click on Friends, click on Unfollow. You'll never have to see the stuff again. And that is, for want of a better term, if you're not g- if someone's not in the same city as you, unfollowing someone on Facebook is tantamount to them dying.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:44 Hmm.

Chris Williamson 8:45 Never gonna see them again.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:46 Good God.

Chris Williamson 8:47 Never gonna see them again, unless they comment on something that you comment on as well. Um, unfollowing people on Instagram is a little bit more tricky, because every time that I think about it for ages and then eventually decide to do it, I do it to the tiny minority of people who have these fucking unfollow checkers set.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:06 Oh.

Chris Williamson 9:07 Uh, maybe.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:10 Maybe. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 9:10 Um...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:12 And they message you, "Why did you unfollow me?"

Chris Williamson 9:14 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:14 Or, "Why do you care?"

Chris Williamson 9:15 Yeah. I got, I, it's, I've, I've had like... It's happened three times in the last year.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:20 Really? Unfollowed by-

9:21 I mean, that's lame. Like you've called-

9:23 Yeah.

9:23 ... and, and you've called them out on it now, which is great, but like if, to get the hint if someone unfollows you, and you, and you've got something to check that as well.

Chris Williamson 9:29 Well, d- you shouldn't-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:30 Just take it gracefully.

Chris Williamson 9:31 You shouldn't, you shouldn't follow the people that you hate. Like, I know, uh, there's definitely a cathartic pleasure from watching the car crash of someone else's life-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:38 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 9:38 ... go on, for someone who you kind of love to watch what they're doing, but you also kind of don't at the same time. It nets a negative. Bottom line is it nets a negative.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:48 You are right.

Chris Williamson 9:48 And we're t- we are in, we are in the midst of battling against phone use. Like, talk about the medium that y- that you're doing it through.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:58 It's, yeah, it's very much a guilty pleasure that I, like, that I love following car crash basic bitches and seeing the... You're right, like there, it's a net negative thing.

10:07 Mm-hmm.

10:08 There's no enrichment of my life (laughs) I get from it.

Chris Williamson 10:11 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:11 So I think it nets a positive.

Chris Williamson 10:14 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:15 I know I always do this. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:16 Yeah, no, you do. I quite like it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:17 I'm like, I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of these discussions.

10:21 I suppose it has to, otherwise we wouldn't continue doing it.

Chris Williamson 10:23 I disagree.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:24 So it's-

Chris Williamson 10:24 Yousof does bad fuel all the time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:25 It's the Byron Katie approach to it.

10:28 Okay.

10:29 You know Byron K- you know the book I was gonna give you that I never gave you? The, the one-

Chris Williamson 10:32 The one that you said changed your life.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:33 ... bringing it-

Chris Williamson 10:33 And that you never told me about until I asked you.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:36 Yeah, that one.

Chris Williamson 10:36 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:37 Um, so her argument is, is that anything we... Yousof knows this far more, in far more detail than I do, but things that bother you are a chance to investigate why it bothers you.

Chris Williamson 10:52 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:52 And try and uncover a deeper... 'Cause most of the time, like, stuff, like realistically, something that someone is doing over social media-

Chris Williamson 10:59 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:59 ... like yes, it bothers you. Like, it might be because they're really stupid or basic or, like, have said something you don't agree with. Mm-hmm. But that is usually just something internal with you. Mm-hmm. And it's a, it is a chance I find to be like, "That's really fucked me off. Why has that really fucked me off?" And then you always see some- another side of it from going through her process.

Chris Williamson 11:23 Okay. But that is like taking LSD, going on the trip, seeing the other side of it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:28 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 11:29 Going, (tongue clicks) "Interesting introspective experience there. I really should go away and reflect on what's going on."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:35 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 11:36 And then every day for the rest of your life just taking more LSD.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:39 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 11:39 Going back to the same place with the same person.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:42 I, I see what you mean. So I think the point is, is that you get exposed to annoying things anyway.

Chris Williamson 11:48 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:48 And like, social media's just a...

Chris Williamson 11:50 But would you elect to do that?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:52 So I think if you can get to the point where it bothers you less, then great.

Chris Williamson 11:57 Cool. So until, up until the point at which it plateaus. We've managed to try and come up with a way to use following annoying people online for a source of personal development.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:06 The way, when you have to-

Chris Williamson 12:07 Which is definitely flipping an, flipping a negative on its head.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:09 I th- I think if, if something bothers you and it's someone else doing something, it's probably you, not them, more than likely.

Chris Williamson 12:15 It's them.... they're not.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:17 Yusuf, what do you think?

Chris Williamson 12:18 That they're not.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:19 I think they are.

12:20 'Cause wh- but why do you think they're not?

12:23 'Cause they are.

Chris Williamson 12:24 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:25 The world's shit.

12:25 But i- it's because they're doing something that, uh-

Chris Williamson 12:27 Triggers me. They do something that triggers me.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:29 ... that does- there's a friction with-

Chris Williamson 12:29 They're posting something that triggers me.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:31 Like, there's something to be said for, like, if something triggers you, it is potentially a pointer to something in yourself. I don't know whether it applies 100% of the time, because I could think of things that would... Like, y- you can think of things that would trigger you, but what don't have any kind of deeper truth. They're just-

Chris Williamson 12:49 Yeah, no, yeah, that's true.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:50 ... annoying, like, like a annoying bell or something.

Chris Williamson 12:51 Getting cut, getting cut, getting cut up in traffic-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:53 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:53 ... is annoying for the sake of it occurring.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:56 Yeah. I don't think it reveals much about you.

Chris Williamson 13:00 No, 100%.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:00 In a true sense.

13:01 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 13:02 Right.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:02 Well, it- it shows that you have a belief that, "I shouldn't get cut up in traffic."

Chris Williamson 13:05 Mm-hmm, that's true.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:06 Which is false because y- you do get cut up in traffic.

Chris Williamson 13:08 Uh, there's a, there's an interesting one about why we're so angry about, um, in cars. It's because of the heightened sense of awareness because we're not used to going at that speed.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:16 Even at slower speeds. Exactly because of that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:18 Yeah, it's always that. It's always like, look, if y- y- you're not paying attention, and you could've killed both people.

Chris Williamson 13:24 We know that people die.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:24 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 13:24 We know that people die in cars, that's why. Um, Yusuf, have you got one?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:27 So, I can't remember if I mentioned this last time. But this ties into the capture process that I think you have to always have. So it would be, you know, 20 years ago it would be carrying a notebook in your pocke- in your pockets and everything.

Chris Williamson 13:41 Filofax.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:41 Filofax. And if something comes into your awareness that needs to either be actioned, or looked up, or noted down, or an insight or something, it would go down in the notebook. And when you get home, you would then put it into, put it into your process. Which is like, you'd look through your notebook at the end of the day, be like, "Right, I've got these things. They need, these need to be either put into the action list or whatever." And so for me, Toby, which is a browser extension for Chrome, allows me to quickly organize anything. So, if someone sends me an article that I need to read or there's a video that comes up that I should watch at some point or whatever, and I can't action it right away, I can create separate queues of reading queue, listening queue, and then frequently visited-

Chris Williamson 14:23 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:23 ... thing. And then you can sub-split those into, like for me, for example, it would be medicine, study, um, propane or, or, uh, business stuff, and then work that needs to be done.

Chris Williamson 14:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:35 And so having that as a capture means that you no longer l- lose out on, um, someone sends you an article and you're like, "Oh yeah, I'll read that later." But because you can't sort of-

Chris Williamson 14:44 So it's a very cleverly, it's a very cleverly put together bookmarks manager, isn't it, basically?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:47 It's great. Um-

Chris Williamson 14:48 Uh, we did, we did actually bring this up on the last one. However-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:51 Uh-

Chris Williamson 14:52 ... you've done, uh, you've come at it from a different angle now, which I think is worthwhile.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:55 I think so, 'cause there's, um, you know, you, you can try and capture it at the point of, at the point it comes in. But then you have no control over whether someone sends you a WhatsApp or a text message or whatever.

Chris Williamson 15:06 You're speaking, you're speaking about this a little bit in the way that a 10th dan black belt would talk about punching someone in the face.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:18 (laughs)

15:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:19 I, I do think, I do think that you're totally right, that you need to... We are stressed by having too much stuff that we need to remember. Our brains are built for processing information, not remembering information, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:31 Exactly.

Chris Williamson 15:32 Decision-making, not retention.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:35 I- it's built for having thoughts, not holding them.

Chris Williamson 15:37 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:37 Take the day at hand.

15:38 So there's a couple of layers there.

Chris Williamson 15:40 That's what I want to-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:40 And one of them is the decision that you s- you sit down, you open a new tab, you're like, "Right, I want to read something." If you have to make a decision every time or run through... And obviously you can't mark your iMessages as unread, for example, or whatever, so you-

Chris Williamson 15:52 Such an annoy- why have they not, why have they not allowed that?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:53 It's a very annoying feature.

Chris Williamson 15:55 (laughs) Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:55 Who knows?

15:56 So you have to then be like, "Right, I need to, I need to read something. Oh, there was that thing that Chris sent me a couple of weeks ago and I was like..."

Chris Williamson 16:01 Scroll back through.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:01 Whereas instead, if you have the reading queue, you just pick the first thing in that queue.

Chris Williamson 16:05 Oh, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:05 The decision is made for you.

Chris Williamson 16:06 Add it to... One of the problems is that a lot of, like 85% of people's browsing is now done on mobile and you can't get Toby for mobile.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:12 Ah.

Chris Williamson 16:12 So you've got to be on, you've got to be on laptop. It's good for you guys who are constantly-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:14 So, mobile you can get Pocket, which is similar, but that's just for reading.

16:18 I've tried that. Yeah.

16:19 Um, E- Evernote I suppose as well, but-

Chris Williamson 16:21 A bit different, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:22 Yeah. I mean, to, to be honest, I, I think mobile browsing is an absolute fool's game.

Chris Williamson 16:30 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:32 85% of you who are listening, right-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:35 Fools.

Chris Williamson 16:35 ... just don't know what you're on about.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:36 I don't think I read, I don't think I would ever just sit and browse.

16:42 I know.

16:42 I, it's normally listen. I listen to stuff.

16:44 Such a bully.

Chris Williamson 16:45 Right. Have you got one, Johnny?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:46 Um...

Chris Williamson 16:47 'Cause if you don't have one, I've got one.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:49 I can do one that I've been experimenting with recently. It's just that it's more of like a...

Chris Williamson 16:53 Is it NOFAP?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:54 No. And this is something that I speak to a lot of clients about who struggle with tr- just training, getting their training in, or I think it's the case with trying to do anything that you want to do consistently.

Chris Williamson 17:08 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:09 So, used to train four days a week. Done that, like, for as long as I can remember. Started finding that, um, I'd have a particularly hard session or, like, schedule would be slightly different and I'd just go, "Ah, I'll train tomorrow."

Chris Williamson 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:23 And then it gets to Friday and you realize that you've got to train-

Chris Williamson 17:26 Four days of training.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 17:27 You've fit it in three years.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:28 You want to train Friday, Saturday, Sunday and you're like, "Right, well, that's going to wreck me." And I was starting to get niggles and... So I was just like, "Right, I'm just going to s- try and train six days a week." Stay the same volume, shorter sessions, and just part of my morning is get up, do morning routine stuff, go to the gym, start work after that.

Chris Williamson 17:46 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:47 And doing that has been really positive so far. So I've only done it for two weeks.

Chris Williamson 17:52 But what's, what's, what's the main change? The volume stayed the same but spread across more sessions or you're doing more of your training?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:57 Yeah. S- so, so short, shorter sessions so there's less of a, there's less of a barrier to like, "Oh my god, I'm going to be in the gym for two hours."

Chris Williamson 18:03 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:04 Each of the sessions are therefore easier. So...

Chris Williamson 18:06 Slightly lower impact?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:07 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:07 You've had to... I'm presuming you've had to get your coach to adapt the-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:10 To sign it off, yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:11 ... yeah, the program appropriately.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:12 So he, I think he has probably upped the volume ever so slightly. There's a few more assistance exercises and stuff.

Chris Williamson 18:17 Well, but it would be, it would be silly not to, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:18 Yeah. But it, it's just... Because before, like, well, the way that I operated anyway was-... tr- today's a training day or tomorrow's a training day, today's a rest day.

Chris Williamson 18:27 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:27 And your whole routine's different.

Chris Williamson 18:29 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:29 For me, anyway. Like the time I start work and all that sort of stuff.

Chris Williamson 18:31 There's an inherent, um, inconsistency-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:35 ... to your daily routine-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:36 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:36 ... built into your daily routine.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:37 Exactly. Exactly.

Chris Williamson 18:38 Or built into your bi-daily routine.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:40 And so, just especially during the week, so I'll still, I'll still try and take Sunday off-

Chris Williamson 18:45 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:45 ... if I can.

Chris Williamson 18:45 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:45 But didn't today. But-

Chris Williamson 18:46 I quite like, I quite like a, a, a Sunday training session. It feels like a extra day that I'm getting in that I probably wouldn't have done.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:54 Wouldn't have, yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:54 And I can do, like today, I did 90 minutes, and this wasn't a very fun day. I did 90 minutes of rehab and then binned myself on a Wattbike doing intervals for 20 minutes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:02 Binned yourself? (laughs)

19:03 Binned. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:04 Binned. That's my new term for what I do in the gym. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:07 Just binning yourself. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:07 I just binned myself. I absolutely did. I properly, fully wrecked myself. That's really interesting. I'd be, I'd be very interested to see what difference that has on stuff like your metabolism, like fat loss-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 19:21 ... and stuff like that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:22 It, I think, and that's something else I've noticed, is just like, get, y- y- you two maybe don't get it, but I, I'll have days where sporadically I wake up and I just feel a bit more tired than normal.

Chris Williamson 19:33 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:33 Like a bit mentally fuzzy.

Chris Williamson 19:34 Yeah, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:35 If you just go train-

Chris Williamson 19:37 It's out of you.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:38 ... like you pretty mu- like after a training session-

Chris Williamson 19:40 Reset.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:40 ... I pretty much feel the same.

19:41 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 19:41 Today, today was a perfect example of that. So last night, I've traveled around loads this week, like 20 to 30 hours of traveling I've done this week. Last night went to Manchester at nine o'clock, got in at 6:00 AM. Got up at 12 midday, really groggy, but was like, right, usually on a weekend I kind of let my s- my routine slip a little bit because it allows me to come back on a Monday with a bit of a set of fresh eyes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:02 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 20:03 Didn't do it. Treated today like a Monday. Got up, journal, meditate, ROMWOD, cook, go to the gym. And by the time that I'd binned myself on a Wattbike doing a really, really horrible, um, interval workout, I came out of the gym and there was a sense of, not only a sense of euphoria for it that you naturally get, the dopamine kick that you get from sort of training, but it was glazed with this extra sense that I'd done it under a particularly high level of fatigue.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:35 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 20:35 And I'd overcome a bunch of stuff that I probably wouldn't have done usually. There was an extra, an extra level of a-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:40 Glaze. I like that.

Chris Williamson 20:42 Yeah, it was, it was a veneer of-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:44 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 20:44 ... of just extra little achievement of niceness. It was quite nice.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:49 It was, 'cause it was, it was two people really. It was something that you said about if you're having a bad, if you feel like you're having a bad day, like you can't be bothered or whatever.

Chris Williamson 20:58 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:58 Like, if you go, if you go train, you've kind of set the wheels in motion of like, I've already ticked off something positive.

Chris Williamson 21:05 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:06 And I, there's just, it's such a like a cringey thing to say, but there's something about like sweating or doing something physical-

Chris Williamson 21:15 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:15 ... on a daily basis. You can feel-

Chris Williamson 21:17 It's such a reset.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:18 ... better about yourself.

Chris Williamson 21:19 Such a, the, uh, I would, I would go as far as to say that going to the gym and training is as much of a reset for what has happened before then-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:27 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:28 ... as going to bed-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:29 Sure. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:29 ... as going to bed is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:30 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it must be.

21:31 Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Chris Williamson 21:32 I can s- I can wake up on a morning with, especially now I've been meditating more recently and practicing a bit more mindfulness, I find that my emotions from the night before, my thoughts from the night before carry over through my sleep.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:44 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:44 And I'm, on average I only sleep six and a half hours a night, so that might be, that might contribute a little bit. But I find that they carry over a lot. If I go into the gym-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:52 You can go in with a terrible mood and come out-

Chris Williamson 21:53 And I can come out-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:54 ... as a different-

21:54 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:55 ... it's as, as much of a difference between before and after as i- as if I was sleeping.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:58 Mm-hmm.

21:59 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:59 Um, so yeah, that was, it's an interesting one.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:01 This is that and the most consistent person I know with training is Digital Audio Broadcast Gibson. So he trains-

Chris Williamson 22:10 DAB Gibson.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:11 DAB Gibson.

Chris Williamson 22:12 DAB.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:12 He train, he just trains six days a week.

Chris Williamson 22:14 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:14 Like, I, I, I do his programming for him and he trains 6:00 AM Monday to Fri, oh wait. He trains 6:00 AM Monday to Thursday. Has Friday off. Trains Saturday, Sunday. And he very, very rarely, unless he's traveling-

Chris Williamson 22:28 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:28 ... very rarely skips a session.

Chris Williamson 22:29 Animal, isn't he?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:30 Mm-hmm.

22:30 He's like by 9:00 AM, "I've trained."

Chris Williamson 22:32 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:32 And then like-

Chris Williamson 22:33 It's out the window.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:33 ... the, the people who try and fit it in in their day later-

Chris Williamson 22:36 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:36 ... a- anything can happen, you know?

22:37 It becomes increasingly hard, as, as we were saying with meditation-

22:40 Yeah.

22:41 ... the more you try and convince yourself that you can skip your morning session and do it later on in the day, the less and less likely it is that you're gonna complete it-

22:49 Yeah.

22:49 ... until-

Chris Williamson 22:50 The other thing-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:50 ... it's midnight and you're like, "Ah, it's too late now."

Chris Williamson 22:51 The other thing, the other thing to consider as well is that once it's done, the anxiety of having to do it is gone for the rest of the day.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:57 Mm-hmm.

22:57 That's, that's a huge factor.

22:59 That's the re-

22:59 Ironically that's like... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 23:00 That's the, that's the main reason that I meditate on a morning.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:02 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 23:03 Because it, I know that for the rest of the day I don't need to think I need to meditate still.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:06 Don't you feel like y- I think it, for me, it, there's a, there's a sense of like I've, I've, I've kind of won that side of my life. Like I've-

Chris Williamson 23:14 Oh, yeah. The box, the box has been ticked.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:16 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 23:16 That's one already. That was another reason why the sobriety, the six months sobriety thing for me was such a keystone-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:22 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 23:23 ... when I did it the first time-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:23 'Cause it facilitated that.

Chris Williamson 23:24 ... last year. Yeah, for sure.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 23:25 Because it meant that I could overcome, right, already, I've already conquered this.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:29 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 23:29 What's next? What's coming next on the list? So-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 23:33 Yeah. It was g-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:34 And it just, it's so nice to get to like, if I get to like half nine or 10:00 AM and I've done like meditated, ROMWOD, all that stuff and I've trained and it's like that's-

Chris Williamson 23:45 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:46 ... like me out the way. Like now I can just work and I don't have to worry about anything else.

23:50 Mm-hmm.

23:50 And then when I finish work, I'm done.

Chris Williamson 23:52 Absolutely.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:52 Like I'm absolutely done.

Chris Williamson 23:54 Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:54 And you just feel-

Chris Williamson 23:55 And the thing is as well, especially for me, your, um, training probably wouldn't permit this because with power lifting you need to give yourself more time to rest.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:02 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 24:02 A little bit more taxing I guess physiologically. But for me, if I do that and I think, "Right, it's six o'clock, what do I wanna do? Fancy another session. I'm gonna go back in. I'm gonna do extra programming. I'm gonna do a workout, I'm gonna do a bodybuilding style workout after I did CrossFit this morning." Or, "I'm gonna go and do some technique work." I can go and do that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:20 It's bonus.

Chris Williamson 24:20 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:21 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 24:21 And you're like, "Fuck, I've got s-"

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:23 It's not catching up.

Chris Williamson 24:23 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:24 Yeah.

24:24 It's-

Chris Williamson 24:24 It's not, you're not playing catch up. You, you, you're getting ahead-... which is, yeah, it's a, there's a really good sense of satisfaction. I think a lot of people, you know, if there's anything that you need to do, like if it's fucking walking the dog, doing, you know, spending time reading with you, w- w- with a, a, y- kid.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:41 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 24:41 You know, if that's something that needs to be done-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:43 Do it first thing.

Chris Williamson 24:43 ... crack it out.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:44 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:45 Get it cracked out so that you know that the box has been ticked, 'cause the rest of the day is yours then.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:49 Because then the rest of the day you're not thinking, "When am I going to be able to-"

Chris Williamson 24:51 That, that anxiety is so crippling.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:54 It's, it's so interesting taking the same session. So if I do it, if I, if I try and train at, like, 4:00-

Chris Williamson 25:00 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:00 ... for example-

Chris Williamson 25:01 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:01 ... or 9:00.

Chris Williamson 25:03 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:04 If I train at 9:00 knowing, like, I need to get to work, like, I need to start work soon, what you're able to do in, like y- immediately your rest periods are less.

Chris Williamson 25:13 Parkinson's law, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:13 Immediately, yeah. You don't look at your phone. You're in, you're out. You're like, "Fuck, I did, I just trained in 45 minutes."

Chris Williamson 25:19 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:20 Like, normally you piss around and it takes ages. So yeah, um, I used to, when I worked at KPMG, I did it all the time. Like, I al- I always trained in the morning. But I have such bad memories of it because it was six o'clock in the morning.

Chris Williamson 25:32 That's b-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:33 And it was like-

Chris Williamson 25:33 That's before KPMG.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:34 Yeah. Well, (laughs) yeah.

Chris Williamson 25:35 (laughs) Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:35 But it was, so it was that, and then I had to dr- I had to like, I had like an hour long commute, and-

Chris Williamson 25:40 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:40 ... it was always like really hard training as well.

Chris Williamson 25:42 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:43 So but little bit later, go drive to the gym, miss rush hour, train then. It's really good.

Chris Williamson 25:49 Only do it if you can.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:49 Big, big fan. Of course, not everyone can do that, but-

Chris Williamson 25:52 Next.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:52 I realize I've just taken the microphone, so sorry.

Chris Williamson 25:54 No, that's fine. Next one, Apple AirPods.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:56 Oh, god. They're so good.

Chris Williamson 25:59 (laughs) You have-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 25:59 They're so good.

Chris Williamson 26:01 You (laughs) -

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:01 I know audio broadcast for them.

Chris Williamson 26:03 I see.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:04 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:04 Digital.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:05 For those of you who want to hear broadcasts. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:07 So they are without a doubt the, you, you said this before, single biggest change in quality of life was something that you came up with for one of your last life hacks. Apple AirPods for me are from u- upon purchase, quality of life instantly increases-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:28 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:28 ... on aggregate by 5 to 10% every day, and upon using them, by 50%.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:33 Even just, even just by owning them.

Chris Williamson 26:34 Just by having and looking at them.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:35 Even just, it's how nice they are and-

Chris Williamson 26:37 So-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:37 Y- do you know what makes them? Is their-

Chris Williamson 26:39 Is it the little pack of dental floss?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:39 It's the little things about them. But I'll let, I'll let, I'm not spoiling it, spoiler.

Chris Williamson 26:42 But it's just, uh, th- everyone uses, everyone needs a pair of headphones. Um, if you're not u-, if you're not on iPhone, I don't know how they will link up with-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:51 I don't think they can.

Chris Williamson 26:53 Well, they're just Bluetooth headphones, right? So they must be.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:54 Do they not have something in them, 'cause wasn't that one of the criticisms of the HomePod?

Chris Williamson 26:59 I'm not sure.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 26:59 'Cause it was a chip.

Chris Williamson 27:01 I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 27:02 Maybe they, maybe they do work.

Chris Williamson 27:03 I wouldn't be able to elaborate. Anyway, if you, if you are someone who uses your headphones ever, you should buy a pair of AirPods. So they come in a case. The little case is an external charger for the earbuds. The buds get four hours charge out of about a 15 minute-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 27:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:22 ... dock in the external charger. And the external charger has about three full charges of the buds.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 27:28 Yep.

Chris Williamson 27:29 The charger, the external case is plugged in with a lightning cable, so you only ever need to take one cable away when you're on holiday or when you're traveling.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 27:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:35 There's one for your phone and the one for that. They link up with your phone instantly. You can programme a double tap on the earbud of the left to pause or from the right to skip to the next track. They've got inbuilt microphones at the bottom of the earbud so that you can use them for wireless hands free. They don't actually, I don't think they actually use Bluetooth for them either. I think it's a different kind of technology.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:01 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:01 It's like N- NFC. Is it near field communication or something like that?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:04 Yeah. There's, there's something different about them that's so

28:06 unbelievable.

Chris Williamson 28:06 ... you don't have, if you don't have a brick wall in between you, I've done it in Tyneside before, and I can be 12 meters away, I can be on the opposite side of the hall-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:14 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:14 ... and still have crystal clear communication from them.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:16 Yeah. I had that this morning.

Chris Williamson 28:17 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:17 I was thinking about that this morning, how crazy it is.

Chris Williamson 28:18 You just put them down wherever you want. Um, and yet, like, you, you're walking around i- in the house, especially if you're taking phone calls and stuff like that. A phone call actually ends up stopping whatever else you're doing.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:29 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:29 Whereas with these, you can have headphones in-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:32 ... do the washing up, do your cooking. They've got noise canceling in so the person on the other end hears just what you're saying. They are unbelievable. The one caveat for this is they're expensive. They're 160 quid, 149 quid.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:43 Yeah, they are.

Chris Williamson 28:44 They're expensive.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:45 They are.

Chris Williamson 28:45 But they're worth it by so fucking worth it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:47 So I've, I've had, like, Bose headphones, and I've never had Beats. I don't know, they're kind of like the other competitor, aren't they?

Chris Williamson 28:53 Yeah. Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 28:54 Um, other like, cheaper headphones, and nothing has come anywhere near. But it's, so it's not like... I think what, what I don't feel like, I've, pe- people turn off when they're like, "Oh, they're 160 quid," or whatever. But it's the, it's how effortless-

Chris Williamson 29:10 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:10 ... using them is. Take one out, pauses the music. Put it back in again. So if you're listening to like a podcast, put it back in again, it recognizes that you paused it, jumps it back a second.

Chris Williamson 29:19 Plays.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:20 Plays it again.

Chris Williamson 29:20 Presses play.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:21 I, if I get in the car, so if I'm, I'm on the phone in the car, like phone's on the Bluetooth to the car. Before I get out of the car, AirPods out-

Chris Williamson 29:28 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:28 ... put my AirPods in. Phone's still in my pocket.

Chris Williamson 29:31 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:31 Get out the car. Somehow-

Chris Williamson 29:33 Flicks it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:33 ... the AirPods realize hold on, the phone's disconnected from the car.

Chris Williamson 29:37 Taken off that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:37 He wants the call.

Chris Williamson 29:38 How about, how about this, how about this for you? So I get in my car and my car automatically picks them up. So I'm listening to a podcast in my earphones, get into the car.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:44 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 29:45 Starts playing in the car.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 29:46 Then all that I need to do is double tap the earbud and it'll flick back off the car and back into the earbuds. Unbelievable. Abso-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 29:54 It's, 'cause what Apple, what someone at Apple has done is thought, "What does, what are the daily situations people with headphones face?"

Chris Williamson 30:02 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:02 Let's make AirPods good for that.

Chris Williamson 30:04 Yeah. They, they're, they are, without a doubt, absolutely fantastic, and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:08 I, I, so I honestly think, I mean, obviously like the return you get from a MacBook and an iPhone is way beyond that, but in terms of like an accessory from Apple It's, yeah.

Chris Williamson 30:18 Shit all over an Apple Watch. Absolutely-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:20 Ah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 30:20 ... shit all over an Apple Watch.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:21 Yeah. Definitely. Well they, the, they are, they're just so, so good. Jordan today was showing me, so I walked in-... with AirPods in, and went over and, like, signed in and said hello. And he said, like, "Is there anything playing in them? Or are you just wearing them to look- look trendy?"

Chris Williamson 30:37 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:38 I was like, "I am actually listening." But it is a problem when you're not listening to something.

Chris Williamson 30:43 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:43 Like, where to put them.

Chris Williamson 30:44 Yeah, that happens.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:44 And he was like, "Oh, put them behind your ears."

Chris Williamson 30:46 That's what I do.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:47 So I, I didn't realize-

Chris Williamson 30:48 I sit, I sit my buds on the top of my ears, yeah, with the, with the wider bit behind, and that's it, and you can listen. As if he, as if Jordan's told you that. He gives me so much shit for putting them on top of my ear.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:58 Really?

Chris Williamson 30:58 Little bastard. Anyway, AirPods, you should buy them. It makes-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:02 How do you mean behind the ears?

31:03 So, if you like-

Chris Williamson 31:04 If you can imagine that they sit on top of your ear, like you would with a cigarette.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 31:07 Like, you've not got a chance, do you?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:07 What, and they, they, they stay there?

31:09 They stay there, yeah, they're wedged in. Have you tried using the AirPods case as an iPhone holder?

31:15 Mm. It's very precarious.

31:16 It is. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:18 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:18 So you, you... (laughs) So if you Google it, there's examples of people doing it. So, like, if you found yourself on a train or a plane-

Chris Williamson 31:25 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:25 ... and you want to watch something on your phone, partially open the AirPods case, sit your phone in it, and it does, like, go duktuk, sits back, and then you got your AirPods in-

Chris Williamson 31:33 No way.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:34 ... and you can start watching film.

Chris Williamson 31:34 That, I'm ja- I'm going after that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:35 So there was a guy using it, doing it in a café. This was before I owned any. And that, like, they came out and I was like, "Oh, they're shit. They're stupid."

Chris Williamson 31:42 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:42 And it was-

Chris Williamson 31:42 They look like you've got two Oral-B toothbrush heads in your ears.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:44 Exactly, yeah.

31:45 (laughs)

31:46 And he sat eating with his phone in the corner of the thing, in the AirPods case with his AirPods in. I was like, "That looks so cool."

Chris Williamson 31:52 Fucking baller.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:53 And he, he had an i- iPad mini as well. I was like, "That man likes Apple stuff."

Chris Williamson 31:58 Fucking Steve Jobs reincarnate.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:00 I'm going to start wearing Oral-B h- uh, toothbrush heads behind my ears-

Chris Williamson 32:04 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:04 (laughs)

32:04 ... to try and, like, fit in with the, uh, the, the pov version.

32:07 They are, they're just so, they're so prohibitively expensive.

32:10 But you're right, like the... I, I, I thought that was a good chance for me to go to the toilet 'cause I don't have nothing to contribute about AirPods 'cause I don't have them. But the, the hands-free calls alone I think would sell me on them.

Chris Williamson 32:22 Unbelievable. And the... do you know what's even cooler that you guys did the other day?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:27 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 32:27 That I never would have thought of.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 32:29 Like, so the, um, on the Propane Instagram, there was a, uh, multiple stories, basically like a kind of a video podcast, I guess, like a two-minute, three-minute video podcast split up into the 15-second stories.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:41 So it was a Facebook Live split shot.

32:44 Which Johnny painstakingly- (laughs)

32:45 Takes ages.

Chris Williamson 32:46 ... cut up, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:46 'Cause there's this app called Cut Story-

Chris Williamson 32:48 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:48 ... that divides it, then you have to individually upload them.

Chris Williamson 32:50 Oh, okay. And they were walking down the street and one had the left and one had the right, and the sound quality is matched from both.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:59 It's so cool, so cool.

Chris Williamson 33:00 And it's just, it's sick. I honestly think if you were, if you were in a café and you needed, "Fuck, I've run into that Chris, uh, the, um, trader guy."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:09 Mm.

Chris Williamson 33:09 Like, just randomly you run into someone who you're desperate to think with.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:12 Quick podcast.

Chris Williamson 33:12 Right. Take this earbud-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:14 Here's a microphone.

Chris Williamson 33:14 ... press record, press record on the, on the thing, and you could... you'd, you'd have it. Isn't it cool?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:17 Can't like cut like loads of conference calls. Like, you want to speak... like two people want to have the same phone call.

Chris Williamson 33:23 We do, we do. Yeah, yeah, fine. Away you go. Right, Yusuf, have you got one?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:25 Yeah, so this isn't a very sexy one, but I am currently dealing with a lot of companies, too many to keep track of, um, in terms of following up responses and so on. So what I do is I have a list on Wunderlist called Waiting For, and if I've sent out a request to these companies, maybe at, maybe I've got 10 or 12 on the go at, at one time, I just add it to that list, and then I know that they're the people that I, I'm waiting for a response from.

Chris Williamson 33:51 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:51 Alternatively, you can do it all within Apple Mail. If you use Mailbutler or Followup then, which is Johnny's preference.

33:59 (laughs)

33:59 Mailbutler, um, allows you to tag an email as you send it. You tick a box on the email itself that says, "Remind me in two weeks." And it, it links, it adds a reminder into your Apple Reminders, links to that particular sent email, and then cancels the reminder if you get a response-

34:16 If you get a reply.

34:16 ... to that email.

34:16 That's clever.

34:16 Which is fantastic.

Chris Williamson 34:18 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:18 Um-

Chris Williamson 34:19 Again, what we're, what we're talking about is just capture, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:21 Mm-hmm.

34:21 It's just capture.

Chris Williamson 34:22 It's just removal. It's just removal of having to remember stuff yourself. My reminders now are starting to back up so much because I'm using them so much.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:29 Well, it's-

Chris Williamson 34:29 All the time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:30 ... 'cause I, I think... 'cause I, I got criticized from my uncle who was like, "Yusuf, you need to just rely on your memory more. Stop being such a, a, a pussy with- (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:38 ... with using, you know, relying on calendars and things." And it's like, that's fine for you to say if you're retired and don't have anything. But, like, e- Need to do is remember to get the cat out.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:47 Try doing a medical degree and running a company.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:50 Well, you get to the point where it exceeds the capacity of your memory, or even if it doesn't, even if you have a, uh, internal system, it's gonna stress you out by having to maintain the open loops, whereas if it's just completely out of your head, you know that I can just check the waiting... "Oh yeah, I haven't heard back from NPower yet. Okay, I will-"

Chris Williamson 35:07 Da-da-da.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:08 ... "chase them up." Yeah. So-

35:09 There's two very really important caveats with that, and it's, you need to practice the skill of capture, I think.

Chris Williamson 35:18 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:18 Yeah.

35:18 And I think you need time-

Chris Williamson 35:19 Yeah, it's not, it's not something you fall into immediately.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:21 Well, 'cause, uh, like, everyone's had the, the experience where you're sat doing something else and suddenly the thought of like, "Oh my God, I was meant to do..."

Chris Williamson 35:30 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:30 Two days ago, "I was meant to do that."

35:31 It's a horrible feeling.

35:32 Oh, awful.

Chris Williamson 35:34 Yeah, man.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:34 'Cause it comes on.

35:34 Um-

Chris Williamson 35:34 Jarring. It's like falling. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:35 And that's your brain going, like, "Ha ha, dickhead."

35:38 (laughs)

35:38 You, like, you didn't, you didn't process this at the time. Now look what's happened.

35:42 (laughs)

35:43 So there's that, that side of it. So you need to practice it, but also if you just build up lists and you never ha- you don't have, like, a time in the day where you look at them-

Chris Williamson 35:53 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:53 ... then it's also meaning... Like, then when you look at your list three days later, you're like, "Oh, fuck." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:57 Oh my god, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:58 You're like, "Well-"

Chris Williamson 35:58 I've bashed the pain into everything. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:02 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:02 So there's-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:02 But all you've done is captured it, and then you don't have a capture for the capture, and so-

36:05 Yeah, you've just done, you've just pushed it somewhere else. You're like, "Oh, I'll look at it later." Something that a guy called, the guy that we were talking about earlier, Ari Meisel?

36:13 Yeah.

36:13 Talks about to-do lists or correctly managing your flow of things is about reminding yourself of the thing you need to do at the time you need to be reminded.

Chris Williamson 36:23 Mm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:23 So, like, he's big on using email as inbox, as an inbox.

Chris Williamson 36:26 Mm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:27 So, like, um, ge- sending yourself an email on Monday morning when you know that on Monday morning you need to do the thing, rather than write it on a list and hope on m- hope on Monday morning you look at your e- you look at the list.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 36:39 ... 'cause I think-

36:39 Which is an argument for having notifications off on your phone, apart from the ones that you have put in there.

Chris Williamson 36:44 Reminders, calendar, yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 36:46 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:46 The thing is, uh, maybe you two, I don't know, I think you've mentioned this before, where like something pops up, like a notification, like a reminder pops up and you're like, "Oh, shit, I can't do it now. Snooze." Or like, "Oh, just fuck off. Just get, get away."

Chris Williamson 37:01 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:01 And then it's not like, there's not a cr- You haven't dealt with it, so it pops up again, or...

Chris Williamson 37:08 Yeah. Yeah. I- I've tried to stack the deck in my favor now, so I have as much in the reminder on, um, on my iPhone and, and also on my, on my lap- laptop, as possible. So if I need to follow a link or send an email to someone, it has the email address of the person in there.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:26 (laughs) Have you ever done the opposite, where you absentmindedly create a reminder... I've done this to myself quite a few times now.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:32 Where (laughs) y- you get a reminder come up on your phone and it just says, "Friday, 7:00 PM."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:38 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:38 And you're like, "Oh, no." Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:40 No, do you want me-

Chris Williamson 37:40 All I know now is that I have something important-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:42 Oh, the anxiety just gets turned up to 11.

Chris Williamson 37:44 ... on phone. (laughs) Do you want me to turn it up to 12? How about this? So I use Siri a lot-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:48 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:49 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 37:49 ... to do reminders. Um, what I'll do is I'll set a reminder on Fr- beep, beep. "On Friday, remind me-"

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:56 (hits table)

Chris Williamson 37:56 ... "to email Santander about my current account."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:00 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 38:01 Do, do.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:02 "Okay. I'll remind you."

Chris Williamson 38:03 "I'll remind you on Friday." Da, da, da, da, da. Right, brilliant. Don't look at it. Put it away. Reminder comes back up. Siri's bastardized my Middlesbrough accent-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:11 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:11 ... to something which is completely incomprehensible.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:14 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:15 "Remember the donuts are frying in the kitchen." Or something.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:19 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:19 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:19 And you're like, "Oh, Siri."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:21 Fuck Siri. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:22 What is that? (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:23 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:24 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:24 That's happened so much as well.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:25 So Siri, Siri's great for when you're driving, I think.

Chris Williamson 38:30 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:31 So there's a number of things that occur to me while I'm driving, which are like-

Chris Williamson 38:33 Do you know what it's great with?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:35 What?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:35 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:35 Apple... Apple app, yeah. Um, see I like just saying, "Hey, Siri. Hey, Si- Hey, Siri." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 38:48 It's good.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:48 There we go. And then it just captures it and they'll be listening to what we're saying.

Chris Williamson 38:52 Well, they're listening all the time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:53 No, it's o- it's okay. It's okay.

Chris Williamson 38:54 (laughs) Zuckerberg's listening all the time, isn't he?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:56 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:58 Can you stop? L- y- this is a three-person podcast, not four.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:00 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:01 I've decided-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:01 Have you got a male voice? I've got the female voice. But then I- I don't use it.

Chris Williamson 39:04 ... I also don't have a girlfriend.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:06 You can set it on South African accent.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:08 Can you?

Chris Williamson 39:08 That's quite good, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:09 Okay.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:09 No way.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:09 (South African accent) I'll remind you.

Chris Williamson 39:10 (South African accent) I'll remind you. Semen with a bit of blood.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:13 Is it... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:14 Or blood with a bit of semen. It's a really important distinction.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:20 Johnny, have you got one?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:22 Uh...

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:24 Was it a normal master bath? (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:27 I d- (laughs) I did have one.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:28 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:28 What was it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:33 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:34 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:34 Sudocrem.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:35 I've got some...

Chris Williamson 39:35 Right, I've got one.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:36 You ever seen an advert for Sudocrem before?

Chris Williamson 39:38 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:38 It's the first advert I've ever seen for Sudocrem.

Chris Williamson 39:40 Three years. It must be, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:41 Have I said... Oh, no. I have one. Oh, got it.

Chris Williamson 39:45 Yep.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:46 Have I, have I mentioned Pomodoros?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:48 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:49 Before?

Chris Williamson 39:49 Um, yeah. But you can, if you, if you can wrap them in a different twist, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:54 So, FocusMe Pro. It's a Mac app. Might be an-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:59 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:59 ... iPhone app as well. Um, so the problem I... So Pomodoro-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:02 Be Focused. Or have you got one called FocusMe?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:05 Oh, I don't know. It's the one I recommended to you. Just the same one.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:08 Okay. The one I use is-

Chris Williamson 40:09 But you've got, you've got a pro version, which means you have to pay for it. Which means that-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:11 It's a one-off.

Chris Williamson 40:12 Which means that he definitely hasn't.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:14 I, yeah, I've, I've got Be Focused free.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:16 Right.

Chris Williamson 40:17 Light. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:18 Light.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:18 Light. It has all the ads on and stuff like that.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:21 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:22 Um-

Chris Williamson 40:22 Watermarks your reminders.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:24 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:24 Pomodoros is, uh-

Chris Williamson 40:26 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:26 (laughs) ... is 25 minutes of work followed by five minutes break. And the idea is, like, to prevent you from procrastinating, like at the start of the 25 minutes you're like, "I'm going to do this for 25 minutes and I'm gonna challenge myself to see if I can do it for 25 minutes without getting distracted."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:45 You're quite good. It's just 25 minutes. What's it like?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:46 Like, it can't be that hard. It, really difficult to do. Um, so you try and manage your distractions. So it's 25 minutes of like purely just doing whatever. Doesn't matter what it is. Five minutes of total disconnection. And then you do that four times, then you get a longer break. So that's a- that's how the Pomodoro setup works.

Chris Williamson 41:03 It's a bit Cal Newport, that, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:05 Yeah. It's, it's practicing deep work. It's practicing getting better at, like, just focusing on one thing. There's loads of case studies of people using it and talk about how, "I used to work a 60-hour work week and now I do eight Pomodoros a day because I've become better at-"

Chris Williamson 41:20 What, Parkinson's Law is exactly what that is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:22 Yeah. So, so having-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:22 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:22 ... the power of having a deadline, the power of having like a-

Chris Williamson 41:25 Massive.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:25 ... a timer counting down. You know I've got to finish this one thing in this time. So I've, I've tried doing it on and off for ages. Always found that, like, apps are pretty, like, clunky or annoying or, like, you forget to set it on your phone or whatever. The app for the, whatever it's called, FocusMe or Be Focused-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:43 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:43 ... or whatever, is really simple. Like, n- quite unintrusive. You just start it at the start of the day and it just runs your Pomodoros for you. It just goes beep, beep, beep, beep.

Chris Williamson 41:54 And a break.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:55 Or boop-bi-di-boop, boop-boop, bi-di-boop.

Chris Williamson 41:56 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:57 Um, and then it also, it just shows y- So, I mean, I love graphs and shit, as you've probably noticed. It shows you, so you keep a to-do list or you keep a list of all the things you would normally do on any, any time. So, like, start the day, open, click on the app. Li- Long list of things, like, "What am I gonna do? All right, that one." Press play. Starts Pomodoro and then tracks it as, when you wanna look at, like, "How am I spending my time?" Gives you a pie chart of how your time is spent. Then it gives you a bar chart of how many Pomodoros you do a day. So you're like, "Was it a productive week?" And you think, "Well, I don't know. Probably." And you're like-

Chris Williamson 42:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:35 ... "Here's how I spent my time."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 42:35 (clears throat) How productive was it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:36 "Here's how many Pomodoros I did."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 42:37 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:38 Which, and it's so, like, I'm a big fan of-... things that just, it's a Fitbit. Like, I don't have to think about, like, "How is my sleep or how-"

Chris Williamson 42:47 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:47 "... generally active am I?"

Chris Williamson 42:48 It just catches on you.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:48 It's just collecting up.

Chris Williamson 42:49 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:49 And so this is the same thing.

Chris Williamson 42:51 That's really cool.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:51 So, the Pomodoro Technique and that app. Do it.

Chris Williamson 42:53 What, which one, which one's the one that you use, Johnny? Can you remember? No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:58 I thought it was Focus Mini.

Chris Williamson 42:58 We'll put it, it'll be in the, it'll be in the description anyway.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:00 It's something Pro. Uh-

Chris Williamson 43:03 Right.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:03 I think it probably is Be Focused Pro, 'cause there, there is a-

43:07 Focus Mini.

43:09 Maybe.

Chris Williamson 43:09 We'll find it. We'll find it, and it'll be-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:11 Yeah.

43:11 Just send him ceasing to sort of ... Some, someone should send someone else-

Chris Williamson 43:14 Somebody.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:15 ... ceasing to ... You still have a template you can use.

43:18 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 43:19 Another one which is probably a little bit more of a prohibitive, a prohibitive life hack, but is one that I'm going to stick to for the rest of my life, automatic cars.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:31 Oh, so much.

Chris Williamson 43:32 Automatic, automatic gearbox.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:32 Oh, my God. So, do ... Have I told you about Paul Knott-Small talking about this?

Chris Williamson 43:36 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:37 So there's a guy who's a bit of a Facebook personality, f- uh, Paul Turner, who I was talking to him about this topic and he was like, "Oh, yeah. People always say I'm fucking, I'm a fucking woman for driving automatic. All right then, want to take that to the extreme? Or like, I'll go and crank up the engine at the start and pump up my tires every time, and, and, uh, sp- spray water on the windscreen." You know? He's like, "Where does it stop?" And you're like, "Yeah. Totally agree." Like, why is it that changing the gear on the transmission is somehow the manly thing to do?

Chris Williamson 44:08 Akin to being involved in the driving experience.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 44:11 When someone will get out and go and buy a barista-made coffee-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:16 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 44:17 ... as they take the escalator and the lift to work.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:19 (laughs) Oh, yeah, exactly. Right.

44:21 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 44:21 You are selecting-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:23 Unless they're using, unless they're using f- like an iPhone, or like ... It's just like-

44:27 But it's not, it's fine 'cause they'll change gear manually.

44:29 Yeah.

44:29 Like, it's totally ...

44:30 Yeah.

44:31 It's like, it's, it ... I'd, I had to drive a manual the other day, and I realized how much of a ball ache it is when you go back to it.

Chris Williamson 44:37 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:37 And it delays you, like-

44:39 I didn't know that.

44:39 'Cause I, I get pi- really pissed off, uh, like unreasonably annoyed. Uh, sorry, Chris, I'm s- I'm stealing your, your, your lifehack point here.

Chris Williamson 44:46 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:46 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 44:46 That's fine. That's fine. We're all, we-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:47 Press the D, D button.

Chris Williamson 44:47 I know that we all agree. I might as well, we might as well have all said it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:50 Oh, I'm just very passionate about it. So like, I get re- unreasonably annoyed at people that take ages when the light goes green.

Chris Williamson 44:57 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:57 I think it's incredibly inconsiderate to, like, wait for the light to go green and then, like, slowly get your arse into gear, literally, to, to pull off.

Chris Williamson 45:05 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:06 That's the-

45:06 But then I realized that-

45:07 ... what I was saying about like, okay, it's gone amber, green. Right.

45:11 Right.

45:11 Mirror?

45:12 Mirror.

45:13 Mirror. Okay. Handbrake off. Neutral. Clutch.

Chris Williamson 45:17 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:17 First gear.

45:18 Find the bite.

45:19 Bite. Bite. Ooh.

Chris Williamson 45:20 Oh, it's stalled.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:21 Oh, amber.

45:22 And then it's let that one person through.

45:24 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:24 Yeah. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:25 It's like, so really inconsiderate. But I realized that actually it takes two, three times as long in a manual.

Chris Williamson 45:31 Yeah. You need to be prepared.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:32 Yeah, you have to be in exactly gear.

Chris Williamson 45:32 You need to be fully prepared. It got so much more. I suppose maybe there's, th- there's an argument that you're a little bit more of a conscious driver, and you're probably a little bit more alert during, uh, driving manual.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:42 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 45:42 Just 'cause you're more involved in the driving experience. You are more involved in the driving experience. But I will never ever go back to having a manual car, ever.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:49 Absolutely not.

Chris Williamson 45:49 I would, I would happily leave the love of my life.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:52 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:54 If she demanded that we had to have a manual car.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:58 (laughs) So I, I've, the-

46:00 Just give her the car. Be like, "Right, I'm getting my own car."

Chris Williamson 46:02 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:02 Sorry.

Chris Williamson 46:02 Fuck off.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:03 (laughs)

46:04 Recent, recent change for me, getting automatic. Uh-

Chris Williamson 46:07 Oh, your new one is automatic?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:08 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:08 Great.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:09 Massive. Massive.

Chris Williamson 46:11 Yeah. Shifting feels like (overlapping dialogue: 00:20:26)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:12 Feels like you're driving a little dodgem, doesn't it? Like, it's so-

46:13 Well, it just feels so, like I'm driving a machine rather ... Like, whereas pre- with a manual it's like-

Chris Williamson 46:18 Riding a bike.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:19 Yeah.

46:20 It's such a weird pride ego thing that like, "Oh, I have to change gear. Oh."

Chris Williamson 46:22 I don't think ... I mean, I, I don't see that, I don't really see that argument so much online anymore. I just think it's people who maybe haven't listened to Lifehacks 103.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 46:32 And realized that they need to buy-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:34 But it's the-

Chris Williamson 46:34 You need to buy an automatic car tomorrow. If you have a manual car-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:37 Go change it now.

Chris Williamson 46:39 Trade it in. Trade it in.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:40 It's the fact that cars are still making manual-

Chris Williamson 46:42 Who the fuck, who the fuck wants to-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:44 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 46:44 Like, I, I don't, I'm, I don't know, 'cause I don't buy new cars.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:47 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 46:48 Um, but there doesn't really seem to be much of a disparity. There's a disparity in the availability, but not a disparity in the price.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:54 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 46:54 So you can find an equal model, both manual and automatic.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:57 So it's not like it's a, a, a premium luxury or something.

Chris Williamson 46:59 No, but there are fewer automatics around. And there's certain cars that you cannot get. If you wanna have a Defender-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:06 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 47:06 ... which a lot of people do-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 47:07 ... the only way you'll get an automatic Defender is if someone's custom changed the transmission and the gearbox.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:12 Is that ... Presumably that's something to do with like-

47:15 It's a four-by-four, so you're going to get the-

Chris Williamson 47:16 ... off, off-roading and, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:18 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Well, why, why would that be the case? Like, the en- the, um, an automatic gearbox is gonna be able to control the ratio of your wheels-

Chris Williamson 47:24 Much better.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:24 ... uh, much more effectively than you can-

47:26 (laughs)

47:26 ... with your right foot.

47:28 (laughs)

47:28 Um, but yeah. It just, buy, buy an automatic car and you'll-

47:31 It's more petrol efficient as well now. Didn't used to be apparently.

Chris Williamson 47:34 Oh, by a distance. By a distance.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:34 But, yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:35 They change gear at the right, at the r- ... And if you want to go fast though, like, just put your foot down. Often you get into sport.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:40 Th- th- there's usually a sport mode, yeah. So.

Chris Williamson 47:41 Every car, every car's got a go slightly quicker mode-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:44 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:44 ... when you're in an automatic, even if it's not ...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:46 You've seen the Tesla mode?

Chris Williamson 47:48 Oh, ludicrous.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:48 I can't remember what it's called. Ludicrous mode.

Chris Williamson 47:49 Ludicrous pack. I was in-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:50 Is that in the-

Chris Williamson 47:52 It's the f-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:52 ... the Roadster?

Chris Williamson 47:53 No, it's in, it's in all of them.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:54 Really?

Chris Williamson 47:54 So it's in the P, the P100D and well, in the P90D you can get.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:58 That's frightening.

Chris Williamson 47:59 Ludicrous. 3.2 second naught to 60.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:00 One that causes your liver to be pressed against the back of your ribcage.

Chris Williamson 48:03 You should watch online, the Tesla Model 3, which is the family SUV one with the gullwing doors.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:10 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 48:11 So, they were trying to convey just how-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:12 It's only 145 grand as well.

Chris Williamson 48:15 Yeah. They-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:15 Like, is that the SUV?

Chris Williamson 48:17 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:17 On24?

48:17 I think so, yeah.

48:18 Really? Jesus.

Chris Williamson 48:18 Yeah, it's pretty expensive. But it's fucking mental. It's unbelievable. So, they were trying to convey just how quick this car was. So they put it on a track and they were like, "We've been doing these tests for ages, and no one can really understand just how fast and powerful this car is. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna put it on a track against an Italian sports car." And they've got a Alfa Romeo Spider pulled up next to it. Like, fucking quick, light, Italian sports car. Rapid. Says, "And it's gonna go up against a Tesla Model 3."... pulling a flatbed with a Alfa Romeo Spider on the back of it. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:52 Oh, man.

48:53 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:53 So the Tesla beats it-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:54 It really... They love taking -

Chris Williamson 48:55 ... in a quarter mile.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:56 Yeah (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 48:56 In a quarter mile-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:58 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 48:58 ... pulling the car that it's beating.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:00 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 49:00 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:00 I've seen that video. Have you seen the one where there's a guy parked, it's in, like, London or something. There's a guy with a Lamborghini, he like comes and he's like (imitates engine revving) , parks. And there's a, a, one of these, uh, Tesla SUVs that has a show-off button. Have you seen that?

49:14 No. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 49:15 Flaps the wings and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:15 The, the, the way, the, the doors come up it's going like (singing)

49:17 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 49:20 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:20 And like everyone is ignoring the Lamborghini and taking photos of the Tesla.

Chris Williamson 49:24 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:25 (laughs) It's like, there's, that's that side of what Elon Musk does is just, like, class. It's just-

Chris Williamson 49:30 If you definitely-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:31 Let's forget about the logistics of it, let's make something-

Chris Williamson 49:33 Just do it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:33 ... stupid.

Chris Williamson 49:34 Um, have you seen when you press the ludicrous button on it, it says, uh, like puts some warnings up. Like, "This will cause, um, extended wear on the battery, and the tires, and the transmission. Are you sure?" "Yes. No, I want my mummy."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:49 Oh.

49:52 (laughs)

49:52 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 49:53 It was really good.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:54 There's that clip of the, uh, I think it's the new Roadster that they've not released yet.

Chris Williamson 49:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:57 It's like two seconds where they put it into fast mode or whatever. There's a journalist in it and the screen goes like, has like orange, like-

50:07 Oh, like-

50:07 ... like-

50:08 ... um, a laser?

50:10 Yeah. And the guy's going, "Oh, my god." (laughs)

50:13 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 50:13 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:13 'Cause they brought out a lorry now as well.

Chris Williamson 50:15 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:15 And it's, and it's self-drive.

Chris Williamson 50:16 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:17 Oh, does it?

50:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:18 It's, it will do-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:18 All of them are self-drive.

Chris Williamson 50:19 But have you seen where the, have you seen where the guy is seated? Where the lorry driver's seated?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:23 No.

Chris Williamson 50:23 There's one single seat directly in the center of the cockpit.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:29 (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 50:29 You just feel like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:29 So Elon Musk is-

Chris Williamson 50:30 ... you're driving a rocket.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 50:31 I'm gonna put, I'm gonna tag one onto the end of automatic cars, and it's, um, fulfilled petrol tanks, or fulfilled fuel tanks. Like, the overhead cost, the time of peeling off from your journey to go to the petrol station-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 50:46 ... is something that needs to be apportioned across as wi- a- as much profit as possible.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:54 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 50:54 That overhead cost needs to be apportioned across you filling your tank to push the next trip to the petrol station as far away as possible. Money's prohibitive if you don't have the cash to be able to fill your car every time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 51:07 But if you do, the extra... Like, saving yourself 30 seconds-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 51:11 ... from not holding onto the handle to fill the tank means that you need to take three to five minutes out of your journey one week earlier than you would've done to go back to the fuel station.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:23 The only-

Chris Williamson 51:24 To just fill, fill the tank.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:24 We've spoken about this how m- like, countless times.

Chris Williamson 51:27 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:28 The only way in which that's not the case is if, t- so two, two situations. I think one is if you don't use your car that often, but you fill it up. So, like, someone who just has, like, £60 of fuel sat in their car for a long time.

Chris Williamson 51:47 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:48 If-

Chris Williamson 51:48 Or that you've tied up wealth and now-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:50 Well, yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:50 ... your £60 of wealth is-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:51 Basically, like, if, if you have a way, if you are in some way gaining interest from money that you own-

Chris Williamson 51:58 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:58 ... then it's a stupid idea.

Chris Williamson 52:00 Even if you have that money in a Santander 1:2:3 account-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:03 Well, so-

Chris Williamson 52:04 ... which is the highest level of interest that you're gonna get, you're on 1.5% of £60.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:09 Well, no. Uh, uh, if you were like, uh, let's say you, you-

Chris Williamson 52:12 Trading.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:13 T- t-trading or, like, there's, there's some w- something you're doing to generate-

Chris Williamson 52:18 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:18 ... returns from your cash.

Chris Williamson 52:19 Okay. And what's the other one?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:20 Um, well, it... It's, it's all along the same thing. So it's like, if you're, if you're just always filling up your tank-

Chris Williamson 52:28 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:28 ... you don't necessarily need to. Like, if it's not too much of a detour to go to the petrol station, for example, then I think... So what I, what I do is fill up, like, some... If I know I've got a lot of driving to do, I fill up. If I know I'm doing, like, what'll normally take me a week, probably put half a tank in.

Chris Williamson 52:46 But why not just put the full tank in?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:48 Because it's not-

52:49 Liquidity preference.

52:50 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:51 Because what?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:52 I'd rather have the cash in my bank account than-

Chris Williamson 52:55 Than what?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:55 ... a full tank. Just foresight that there's, the ca- that I, I know how much cash I have. Like, you don't know how much cash is in your car, but you know how much cash is in your bank account.

Chris Williamson 53:05 Mm-hmm. Okay, so financially-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:06 So it's just visibility.

Chris Williamson 53:07 Financially creative.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:08 And als- Yeah, yeah. It's, it's what-

53:10 For the analytics.

53:11 Clearly, yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:11 But I can't see... A- a- aside from that point-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:15 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:16 ... I can't see any reason why... I fucking hate petrol stations.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:21 Hmm.

53:21 They are, they are nice I suppose.

53:22 For other customers, there's few-

Chris Williamson 53:23 A few times -

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:24 Oh, so, so thanks to you, I filled up my car the other day without having to get out of it. So, so th- this is a little life hack.

Chris Williamson 53:31 I can't believe, I can't believe that this is a thing now.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:34 So good. So, so you, you, you Apple Pay pre-authorize the amount that you want to fill up. So I say £60.

Chris Williamson 53:40 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:41 And then go to the car, put in the petrol thing, take the cap, and wedge that under the handle, and then get back in the car and just sit for a bit until it's full.

Chris Williamson 53:52 I don't know how that's possible.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:53 Hold on.

53:53 (laughs)

53:53 Go, go through that again.

53:54 So y- you know, you unscrew the cap-

53:56 Yeah.

53:56 ... and then you, when you, when you put the nozzle in-

54:00 Mm-hmm.

54:00 ... you squeeze the thing, and then you wedge the cap underneath it, and it's the perfect size to hold the thing as if you were squeezing the petrol nozzle.

54:08 Right.

54:08 And then you can go and sit in your car. So if it's bad weather or if it's cold or something, you can-

54:12 Mm-hmm.

54:12 ... you're just chilling in your car.

54:14 So-

54:14 So-

54:14 ... when you're saying without having to get out of it, you don't mean-

Chris Williamson 54:17 You don't have to get out of it twice, but for a brief time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:19 Right.

Chris Williamson 54:19 But the... You, you paid at the pump, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:21 Yeah, tha- that's what I mean. I didn't have to go to the kiosk-

Chris Williamson 54:23 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:23 So...

54:23 ... and have to deal with putting some-

54:24 So is the lid... Presumably the lid's not designed to be-

Chris Williamson 54:27 It's not built... It's definitely not built for that. No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:29 No.

54:29 Do you not think-

Chris Williamson 54:30 No, I'm certain-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:30 Some people carry a tennis ball and wedge it underneath.

Chris Williamson 54:33 I don't, I mean...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:33 It's quite clever.

Chris Williamson 54:34 I don't like having my hand on it because it's covered in fuel and it means that-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:38 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:38 ... that your right hand sticks to fuel for the rest of the day.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:40 They do little gloves, don't they? So...

Chris Williamson 54:40 Yeah. They do do little, they do do little gloves. I didn't think that's what they were for.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:44 It... What did you think they were for?

Chris Williamson 54:45 Don't know.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:46 Just de- handing them deli meat.

Chris Williamson 54:47 Cow needed... If a cow needed inseminating round the corner. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:51 In case you had to, you know, cut some turkey for a customer.

Chris Williamson 54:54 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:54 Then you have, you'd have the gloves.

Chris Williamson 54:55 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:56 ... um, isn't it, in the US, don't they have people working at petrol stations They do.

55:00 ... filling people up?

Chris Williamson 55:00 They do in a lot of places. They do it in the UK as well.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:02 Do they?

Chris Williamson 55:02 They do it at the Shell just down the road in Gosforth, they have that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:04 Really?

Chris Williamson 55:05 But it's just-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:05 Do you have to tip them or...

Chris Williamson 55:06 ... like peak time, no.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:07 I see.

Chris Williamson 55:08 It's in peak time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:08 Is that just to get people through the door quicker?

Chris Williamson 55:09 Yeah, it will be.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:10 Oh, so it's the same.

Chris Williamson 55:11 Because they can, they can just rattle people through. But that'll, again, that's a reason to go to a premium petrol st- uh, premium fuel station rather than going to, like, Tesco.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:19 So I, I was just looking it up. It costs three pound 64 to charge an electric car.

Chris Williamson 55:24 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:25 Um, or it's free at the public charger places.

Chris Williamson 55:27 For a range of probably about 300 miles if you get a good one.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:30 Okay. So Tesla give you a solar panel to put on your garage, and then-

Chris Williamson 55:35 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:35 ... it comes down, like the cable can come down and plug it-

55:37 (sighs) I'm so sold on a Tesla. That's just-

Chris Williamson 55:39 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:39 It's really expensive.

Chris Williamson 55:40 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:41 I mean.

Chris Williamson 55:41 But you can get, I mean, you can get a, um, a S.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:44 The new one they're bringing out.

Chris Williamson 55:45 No, you can get a Model S, which is the one that's been around for a while.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 55:48 It's kind of the saloon style one. There's some good ones of that, that's not super basic floating around for about sort of £60 grand now. You think like, what can you get?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:59 Hmm, that's still a, still a high end car though, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 56:01 It is, but look at what you get for it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:03 Yeah, you do get an awful lot.

56:05 So spacious inside as well.

Chris Williamson 56:06 Yeah, they're massive.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:06 So it's a, it's a luxury car that's faster than, like, 99% of things.

56:11 (laughs)

56:11 So fuel efficient and so cheap to run.

Chris Williamson 56:13 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:13 Like-

Chris Williamson 56:13 No tax.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:13 Get a lease one or get one second hand, I suppose.

Chris Williamson 56:16 I mean, even on PCP, even on PCP, that'd be £5 grand down, £800 quid a month, £700 quid a month-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:23 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 56:23 ... maybe, which is a lot of money to pay for a car.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:25 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 56:25 But your alternative would be like, for that money you'd be looking at like a three liter turbo diesel Q7, like an ICE Q7 or something like that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 56:33 Which is probably £500 quid a year in tax and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:36 Yeah, you save on tax and fuel.

Chris Williamson 56:38 ... £60 quid a fortnight.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:39 Yeah.

56:40 Hmm.

Chris Williamson 56:41 In fuel.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:41 Yeah.

56:42 Yeah, I, the fuel thing is the...

56:44 The, the cheat with them is like, uh, an- well, they've got like a 300 mile range.

Chris Williamson 56:51 You can get the absolute top end ones that I think are the 100D, you can get about 350 out of them, which is the, one of the reasons that I haven't seriously looked at them because I can't 100% get myself to Manchester and back on one single charge.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:01 Yeah, that's it. You'd have to find a ch- Tesla charging point-

Chris Williamson 57:05 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:05 ... in. And that's what, it's not-

57:07 If you're not near one imminently, you, you really-

Chris Williamson 57:09 But that's the thing, it's that, that's only going to become less prohibitive with time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:13 Yeah, so I think when the infrastructure's fully in place, that's when-

Chris Williamson 57:16 Laughing.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:17 Absolutely.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:18 But then it'll just, diesel and petrol will just get phased out, won't it?

Chris Williamson 57:21 Well, even, I think it's, is it not e- all cars are moving to diesel within the next decade?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:26 Petrol.

57:26 Really?

Chris Williamson 57:27 Or petrol?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:28 Is it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:28 It's like diesel's getting phased out.

Chris Williamson 57:29 Is it? Oh, is it the other way?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:30 Yeah.

57:30 You could get a silly little, um, hybrid car or something in the meantime, and then hope for the best.

57:35 Nissan Leaf.

57:36 Nissan Leaf?

57:37 Mm-hmm.

57:38 That's a hybrid. £3.64.

57:39 I think they're pure electric.

57:41 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:42 Oh, okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:42 Loads of the, um-

Chris Williamson 57:43 You can get like, Pri- Ubers. ... like Prius, how long have, how long have fucking Prius has been around for?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:47 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:47 That's the, they're, they get really criticized 'cause of their work, 'cause of their engines or whatever. It's not like, something like the engine creates the battery life.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:55 Right.

Chris Williamson 57:56 So it's not like a Te- you don't plug it in.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:58 Yeah, no.

Chris Williamson 57:58 But, um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:59 Well, that's the same as a BMW i8.

58:01 Yeah, yeah, it is.

58:02 That's a hybrid, right?

58:03 It is.

58:04 Yeah.

58:04 Yeah. Um, but a Leaf apparently beats like most sports cars over the first 20 meters or so.

58:12 'Cause you get, you get what it takes to warm-

58:13 The way electric engines work, yeah.

58:15 You get 100%.

Chris Williamson 58:16 It's like vroom, vroom.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:16 You get all of the power available immediately.

58:17 Immediately. (laughs) Yeah, which is why Tesla is so frightening.

58:21 Well, I mean, have you ever, have you ever played Scalextric?

58:24 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 58:24 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:24 Like you, you pull the, you pull the trigger-

58:26 Yeah, I know.

58:27 ... and that, that thing fucking went.

Chris Williamson 58:28 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:28 Yeah, that's true.

58:29 Um...

58:30 It's the, so like, the, those big articulated lorries, like, if they are, 'cause you've seen how fast they go, like faster, faster than a lorry.

58:38 Have you seen the Keynote? Have you seen the Keynote where they're pulling away at the same-

58:41 Yeah.

58:41 ... laden? Oh man-

58:43 Yeah.

58:43 ... it is, yeah. I mean, it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens, I suppose, 'cause- They're gonna have to have a safety thing, 'cause, 'cause it's very, in traffic, you know, like, sometimes you, you're glad that it doesn't pull off so fast 'cause you could've easily just-

58:56 Yeah.

58:56 ... gone to the car in front.

Chris Williamson 58:58 Yeah, I suppose so.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:58 There's loads of, uh, Tesla, like, self-drive videos of, like, Teslas avoiding, avoiding collisions and stuff on YouTube.

59:04 Have you seen, there's a video that I saw the other day of an S-Class, so the S-Class Merc is always the one that's got the absolute-

59:10 Like the top, top end.

59:12 ... top end new, um, technology.

59:14 Uh-huh.

59:14 And it's a video of, uh, what is presumably looks like a, a, an Arabian guy driving, driving down a, uh, a street. And it's just him in the back seat with no one else in the car-

59:26 Oh, god.

59:26 ... with his feet across the center console with his socks on, reading- Oh man.

Chris Williamson 59:30 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:30 ... as the car just drives itself.

Chris Williamson 59:32 That's the fucking dream.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:34 Huge balls.

Chris Williamson 59:34 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:34 That, isn't it a bit like im- so like all of the benefits of public transport-

59:40 Yeah, exactly.

59:40 ... but with none of the downsides.

59:41 Privacy and quiet and oh, it'd be amazing.

59:43 (laughs)

59:43 Absolutely great.

Chris Williamson 59:44 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:45 Think how pr-

59:46 I hope it would-

Chris Williamson 59:46 Think how productive you'd be.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:47 Oh my god.

Chris Williamson 59:47 There's a big, um, a sleep, a sleep-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:49 Big.

59:49 It would take away any problem with, um, oh, like I want to live closer to work or whatever.

59:54 Yeah.

59:54 'Cause it suddenly makes your commute so comfortable that you may as well-

59:57 Well, you'd be able to do anything in the, in the drive, can't you? Like sleep longer, watch a film-

1:00:03 Ironing.

1:00:03 Yeah, like...

1:00:04 Brush your teeth. You, you could bring a little bath bag and, like, continue doing your morning routine.

1:00:08 But the argument would be to get, like, a Ford Transit van that does that, and then kit the back out as just-

Chris Williamson 1:00:13 As a house.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:13 ... a, a room in your house.

1:00:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:14 Just a house on wheels.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:15 Oh my god.

Chris Williamson 1:00:16 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:16 (laughs)

1:00:16 I'm so excited about this one.

Chris Williamson 1:00:18 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:18 Such a, you're getting such a hard-on for the Optimiza.

1:00:21 Be a future Ford Transit van that's fully electric.

1:00:23 I'll, I'll go live in the Shetlands. I don't care.

Chris Williamson 1:00:25 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:25 Like, I'll go live in the Shetlands for a few-

Chris Williamson 1:00:26 Live where everyone's, wherever's cheapest.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:27 Get the best yield. Uh, right, let's do a quick fire round.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:30 Okay.

Chris Williamson 1:00:30 We'll go background ones.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:31 So Anki for me.

Chris Williamson 1:00:33 Oh, that's what you used to study with for med school, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:36 Yeah, well, well remembered. So it's a space repetition software, um, based on a lot of the evidence showing that the act of actively remembering something, the active recall is the thing which cements it in memory. It's not repeated exposure, but it's repeated retrieval. And so Anki helped me to, um, perform quite well in my exams a couple of years ago in, in med school. The l- l- last year I didn't really use it as much, unfortunately, but that was just 'cause I was being-... lazy and over, over-stretched. But, um, I made 6,000 flash cards and just reviewed them, and it gives you analytics and so you, you reviewed each of them maybe three or four times over, and by that point, you're pretty familiar with the material. So I think for anyone that has to memorise a large amount of information in a short time, it's probably the best way to actively cement it in.

Chris Williamson 1:01:31 So you can use this, you create your own cards and then it quizzes you on the cards that you've made?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:35 You can, you can create your own or there are... I mean, for, for something like medicine where it's quite unanimous topic, like there are-

Chris Williamson 1:01:41 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:42 ... many pre-made cards.

Chris Williamson 1:01:42 There's ubiquitous ru- rules, right? Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:44 Yeah, so, so loads of people have made decks themselves which is, which is fine.

Chris Williamson 1:01:47 Are they free?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:48 Free, yeah. So-

Chris Williamson 1:01:49 Wow, that's such a fucking good resource.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:51 Yeah, it is.

Chris Williamson 1:01:52 I'm gonna guess, like, for learning stuff like languages and things like that, maybe not speaking-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:55 There's loads of apps for languages. Um-

1:01:57 Are they reviewed?

1:01:59 They're not, but you can, you can usually tell. Like, so there, there's one called Flash Finals which is, like, split into, you know, cardiology, neurology, endocrinology and stuff, and it's all like, they give you sources at the end of each.

Chris Williamson 1:02:10 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:10 Whoever's made the flash cards has like-

1:02:12 Knows what they're doing.

1:02:13 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:02:13 Fuck.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:13 Just quite an insidious thing, isn't it? Like, if you made the flash cards and it was just a bit wrong-

Chris Williamson 1:02:17 Wrong.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:17 ... like slightly wrong.

1:02:18 Yeah, it's why I don't always want to rely on people's decks 'cause sometimes people-

1:02:22 Yeah.

1:02:22 ... like, you're like, "What is this person doing?"

1:02:24 Yeah, you're assuming that they've just copied out a textbook or-

1:02:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:02:28 That's pretty good, good for-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:29 Absolutely, that's pretty fucking cool though and it's just-

1:02:31 Oh, it's-

1:02:31 ... there's a mobile app and I'm gonna guess it will be-

1:02:33 The mobile app's 20 pounds for iPhone but I, you know what, I was like, "I'm paying nine grand for my-"

1:02:39 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:02:40 If you've, if, if you've paid 20 pounds for a mobile app-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:43 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:02:43 ... there is no greater accolade.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:45 If he's, if he's paid for an app, it's... Just get it straight away, yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:02:48 That's it. I don't know why I, I'm not even studying medicine or anything but-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:50 Still get it immediately?

1:02:52 Right, right, yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:02:52 Yeah, I should have it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:52 It's like, with-

1:02:53 If you've got an Android phone, the one redeeming thing of having an Android is that it's free.

Chris Williamson 1:02:56 What the hell?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:57 Yeah.

1:02:58 It's easier to develop apps, isn't it, for Android?

Chris Williamson 1:03:00 Yeah, totally, but I think it's like a bit more open source. Johnny, have you got one?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:05 Green smoothies.

Chris Williamson 1:03:06 Ugh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:06 Have I said that?

Chris Williamson 1:03:07 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:07 No?

Chris Williamson 1:03:08 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:08 (laughs)

1:03:09 You were drinking one this morning.

1:03:10 I was, yeah.

1:03:11 This morning, yeah.

1:03:11 You clocked it. So, um, I find just generally like vegetables and fruit and like managing my, like the quality of my diet, a bit of a pain.

Chris Williamson 1:03:23 Yeah, same for me.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:25 In general. Um, well aware that it's some- I think like everyone feels like they should probably have more fruit and vegetables, like even like-

1:03:32 Very few people I know actually eat fruit.

1:03:32 ... flex an entire eating routine.

Chris Williamson 1:03:33 Even v- even vegans probably need more fruit.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:35 (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 1:03:35 More fruit. It's in the chips.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:03:36 Everyone's like, "I could probably do with having more fruit and vegetables."

1:03:39 I don't know anyone that's like, "Oh, I think I'm eating too many vegetables here."

1:03:41 "I'm having a... Yeah, precisely."

1:03:42 "I should really cut down on my vegetable intake."

1:03:44 So like, I just don't like it being something like at the end of the day if you're like, "Have I got any vegetables today?"

1:03:50 It's like a small pack of peppers or something.

1:03:51 Yeah, like, "How can I fudge it in this?" So instead just breakfast for me is green smoothie.

Chris Williamson 1:03:57 What does... what goes into a green smoothie?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:00 Spinach, blueberries, banana, scoop of protein powder and I add like my, like creatine and stuff like that. So take all my supplements. So there's, there's like a reasonable hit of micro-nutrition and like all of the like health stuff that I feel like I should do is done.

1:04:17 What blender would you recommend?

1:04:19 I, I don't think it really matters. I think-

Chris Williamson 1:04:21 What are you using?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:22 It's a... I can't remember the brand.

Chris Williamson 1:04:24 Not like a NutriBullet or something?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:25 No, it's a jug on a stand.

Chris Williamson 1:04:27 It's like an old-schooly one, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:28 Yeah, yeah. I think like, you don't-

Chris Williamson 1:04:31 My dad's, my dad's got a NutriBullet, whatever that is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:33 I think they... Is that, the one where you clip it in and it's the cups that auto-

Chris Williamson 1:04:37 It's pretty fancy, yeah. It's pretty fancy.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:37 The trouble with that-

1:04:38 So does that detach as a flask that you can carry-

Chris Williamson 1:04:40 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:40 ... carry around?

1:04:41 Yeah. The trouble with them is the... sometimes, so often, especially if you're using protein powder, the... it expands-

Chris Williamson 1:04:48 Mmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:49 And because it's sealed when you put it on, voot!

Chris Williamson 1:04:51 It's gonna-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:52 Take it off and pfft!

Chris Williamson 1:04:53 Ah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so have you... did you go anywhere to find recipes?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:04:58 No.

Chris Williamson 1:04:59 So you put how much spinach?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:00 200 grams.

Chris Williamson 1:05:02 Fuck.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:02 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:05:03 Oh my God. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:04 I'm convinced-

Chris Williamson 1:05:07 I mean that's... (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:07 Yeah. Oh no, hold on.

Chris Williamson 1:05:08 It can't be 200 grams!

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:10 No, no, yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:05:10 That would fill the kitchen.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:12 No, so okay, so you... some... maybe it isn't 200 grams but it's a lot.

1:05:15 How many feathers thick is it?

1:05:15 It's a lot of spinach, like it's not like, it's not like a pinch of leaves.

Chris Williamson 1:05:18 How much is it in there?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:18 It's like I'm talking the thick end of a, nearly a bag.

Chris Williamson 1:05:22 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:22 A tree of spinach.

Chris Williamson 1:05:23 How have you...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:24 Frozen, frozen.

Chris Williamson 1:05:25 ... how have you optimized the, um, stock management?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:31 So weekly shop-

Chris Williamson 1:05:32 ... in your kitchen?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:32 Weekly shop you get... Don't buy frozen spinach. That is so important. I, I cannot repeat that enough.

1:05:39 Do you-

Chris Williamson 1:05:39 You told me this story. Why not?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:40 'Cause it clogs the blender doesn't it?

1:05:42 So it comes, it comes... no, it comes in like little pucks, like a hockey puck.

Chris Williamson 1:05:45 Okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:45 So you get a bag of frozen spinach, it's loads of little hockey pucks of spinach, you think, "That'll be fine."

Chris Williamson 1:05:49 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:49 Throw those in, press go on the blender and it goes like, (blender whirring) . You're like, "Oh my god."

Chris Williamson 1:05:55 (laughs) .

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:55 (laughs) .

1:05:55 What's gonna happen here?

Chris Williamson 1:05:56 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:58 And then you drink it.

Chris Williamson 1:05:59 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:05:59 You're like, it's the first time you panic, turn it off, you're like, "Check."

Chris Williamson 1:06:03 It's all right.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:04 No, nothing's happened. (blender whirring) You're like, "Okay, I'll just leave it."

Chris Williamson 1:06:08 (laughs) .

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:08 And I've still got anxiety about leaving the blender.

Chris Williamson 1:06:11 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:11 Even now. (laughs) I, I gradually...

Chris Williamson 1:06:14 (laughs) .

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:14 It's so funny.

Chris Williamson 1:06:15 You just back off from it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:16 The st- the stuff that you do when you're in the house by yourself.

Chris Williamson 1:06:19 Like, move... do you slowly move away from it like you would do with a dog that's baring its teeth?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:22 Yeah, yeah. So like, so what I'll normally do, when I make my breakfast I'll have coffee, green smoothie. So even now this morning, um, put everything in, press go. There's been a few instances where I've... like you're a bit tired, you're like, "Right, I'll just put stuff in." Slightly mis- mis- like get the, the quantities wrong and it goes, it starts flowing over the thing.

Chris Williamson 1:06:42 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:42 Oh, no.

1:06:42 So like you just pressed go and I went, "I'll go and make my coffee," and making it and I'm like...

Chris Williamson 1:06:46 Just looking at it from the side-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:47 It's okay, it's okay.

Chris Williamson 1:06:47 ... while you're making your coffee on the other side of the room.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:50 I'll be standing there going, "Stop it, come on, it's been fine, it's fine every morning."

Chris Williamson 1:06:52 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06:53 And uh... so yeah, pucks of spinach and plus they don't blend, so you're drinking it and suddenly-

1:07:00 Hmm.

1:07:00 You get hit with a puck of spinach that's part, still frozen-

1:07:04 (laughs) .

1:07:05 And it's minging. Like it's so bad.

Chris Williamson 1:07:07 (laughs) .

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:07:08 So buy fresh.

1:07:09 Made that mistake before and it's bad.

1:07:11 Oh god.

1:07:12 I can attest to that.

1:07:12 It's just not worth it, it's not, it's not more cost efficient or anything, it's just worse. Buy... so even like end of line-... spinach.

Chris Williamson 1:07:19 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:07:20 Fresh spinach, freeze it as soon as you get home.

Chris Williamson 1:07:21 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:07:22 And it's good for ages.

Chris Williamson 1:07:22 And then do you put it in frozen? Do you not defrost it, right, before-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:07:24 Yeah, yeah. You put it in frozen.