Life Hacks 105

Chris Williamson 0:07 (wind blowing) He's shooting through glass now. I mean, he's just fucking ...

Jonny 0:11 Life hacks 10 ... 5-5.

Chris Williamson 0:15 Life hacks 105. We are back again. Say hello, Johnny and Youssef from Propyne Fitness are here. So life hacks is the most requested episode that we do, and it feels like the lowest hanging fruit. I reckon we could just make another channel that's just life hacks.

Yusef 0:30 Definitely.

Chris Williamson 0:30 Just do this full time. Although, Johnny, you seem to think you don't have any.

Jonny 0:34 No. No, I don't. I could talk about why.

Chris Williamson 0:36 You can't see- you can't see the wood for the trees, that's why.

Jonny 0:39 You- you-

Yusef 0:39 You are so optimized.

Jonny 0:41 So I- I don't agree.

Chris Williamson 0:41 You've greased the groove too hard.

Yusef 0:44 Your threshold is low, is too low for life hacks, though. So, so Chris had-

Chris Williamson 0:47 Too high.

Yusef 0:49 Too high?

Chris Williamson 0:49 Yeah.

Yusef 0:50 Chris had a, a, a dairy product on his.

Jonny 0:52 Yeah. Well, do you know what I mean?

Chris Williamson 0:53 Right.

Jonny 0:54 Yeah. Front row even.

Chris Williamson 0:55 Do you want to open up, Scobbly?

Yusef 0:56 Sure. So Johnny has my list.

Jonny 0:59 This is my list, I don't know what you're talking about. Just because you haven't got any life hacks.

Yusef 1:03 (clears throat) So-

Chris Williamson 1:03 Be nice and gentle with the, with the glass.

Yusef 1:04 I will. So, um, I'm going to start having to categorize these into, like, physical, digital, financial, um, and then different rooms. But my most recent one, which I am so excited about, is a shattafa, which is an Arabic word-

Jonny 1:21 Bless you.

Yusef 1:21 ... for bum spray. Now, I got one of these fitted (laughs) got one of these fitted in my bathroom recently. 50 pounds, high pressure bum spray that just ... So, right, th- this is the justification for a product like this. Everywhere east of here, everyone has a shattafa. But-

Jonny 1:43 Bless you.

Yusef 1:43 ... if you (laughs) , like, okay, if, if you get a bit of poo on your face, you don't just go, "Oh, I'm just gonna get a bit of dry tissue paper and wipe it off a couple of times. There we go, that'll do." Like, you'd, you'd wash it with something, and then you'd clean it. And so-

Jonny 1:58 What about if there was gonna be more poo coming from your face all the time?

Yusef 2:02 Then-

Jonny 2:03 You'd, you'd accept there's a, there's a, there's a-

Yusef 2:04 You get some easy access spray that you can just hose it down and then go for-

Chris Williamson 2:08 So I've seen the hose that you're talking about, and the pressure that comes out of it is a bit terrifying.

Yusef 2:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 2:16 Do, do you ever find, if you're too central with the spray, that you accidentally give yourself an enema?

Yusef 2:23 It's, it's feasible, yeah. Like, you, you'd have to-

Chris Williamson 2:25 If you relaxed, if you relaxed the-

Yusef 2:27 You pushed out.

Chris Williamson 2:28 Yeah. What's the, what's that? What's relaxing like that? What's this medical-

Yusef 2:31 Yeah, like, if, if you dilate your anus, then-

Chris Williamson 2:33 Yeah.

Jonny 2:34 Yeah. So the question is, what is the ... How much ring tension does your sphincter have, and what, what water pressure is required to-

Chris Williamson 2:42 Pierce it.

Jonny 2:42 ... make the valve break?

Yusef 2:43 Yeah, so the-

Chris Williamson 2:44 For it to go. If you've got a loose pelvic floor ...

Yusef 2:47 Then don't ... Yeah, like, then build up slowly.

Jonny 2:48 You're just gonna fill up like ... I don't imagine you point it at your anus and press go, do you?

Yusef 2:53 Yeah, you do. But-

Jonny 2:54 Directly at your anus?

Yusef 2:55 But, like, I've got quite good-

Jonny 2:56 Like a water balloon?

Yusef 2:57 So, so I think, like if-

Chris Williamson 2:58 Get that girl out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, that handsome blueberry.

Jonny 3:01 Violet.

Yusef 3:02 Start filling things up.

Jonny 3:02 Violet Beaulacard.

Chris Williamson 3:03 Yeah.

Jonny 3:03 Not Augustus Bloop.

Chris Williamson 3:04 Blah.

Jonny 3:04 He's your favorite, isn't he? You like Augustus Bloop.

Yusef 3:07 But yeah, like, you, you can always pull the reducing valve down a little bit if it's too much.

Chris Williamson 3:10 Okay, yeah.

Yusef 3:11 The other thing that I saw someone post on a life hack, which I think is just, is just a standard thing, is they were like, "Oh, spread your cheeks when you go to the toilet." Like, surely everyone does that. The same as-

Chris Williamson 3:22 No one's trying to squeeze one out from between clenched butt cheeks.

Yusef 3:25 Yeah. Or, or like, or lean forward. Like, well, no one's, like-

Chris Williamson 3:28 Try to have a, try, try and have a d- definitely don't try and have a shit at the top of a deadlift.

Yusef 3:33 Yeah. Like, it's ... So I think some ... Like, I know we were all saying your threshold's too high, but-

Chris Williamson 3:38 For some people, your threshold's too low.

Yusef 3:40 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 3:40 Well, so I, I would, I would take your shattafa-

Yusef 3:45 Shattafa.

Jonny 3:46 Bless you ... a step back.

Chris Williamson 3:48 (laughs)

Jonny 3:49 And say, you can get, um, antihistamines and stuff, you know.

Chris Williamson 3:53 (laughs)

Jonny 3:53 Um ...

Yusef 3:53 (laughs)

Jonny 3:53 So I was, I was listening to a podcast that Shane Parrish did from The Knowledge Project. He's the guy behind Farnam St. And, um, on that, they said the exact same thing, that pretty much everywhere east of here, they use moist toilet paper. Use moist toilet paper.

Yusef 4:09 Tha- that's my normal MO if I'm outside of shattafa zone.

Chris Williamson 4:12 Is what?

Jonny 4:13 Modus operandi.

Chris Williamson 4:14 Yeah.

Yusef 4:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 4:15 Wet the toilet paper.

Jonny 4:17 What?

Yusef 4:17 Wet the toilet paper.

Chris Williamson 4:18 You're totally right. You would not usually wipe something dirty with something dry.

Jonny 4:22 So that what I was saying about taking a step back, why ... So you need... There's so much wiping required that you need a pressurized hose in your bathroom. Why not just green smoothies?

Chris Williamson 4:32 (laughs)

Yusef 4:33 Yeah. So-

Jonny 4:33 Give them it. Remove, remove the need.

Yusef 4:35 Have, have we talked about green smoothies as a, a life hack?

Chris Williamson 4:36 Yeah, we've done it. We've done it.

Jonny 4:37 To death.

Chris Williamson 4:37 But you haven't talked about, you haven't talked about, um, why you shave your anus.

Yusef 4:42 I haven't in a long time 'cause-

Jonny 4:44 Is it like-

Chris Williamson 4:45 Let's talk about it. Oh, yeah.

Jonny 4:45 It's like a jungle down there now.

Yusef 4:47 (laughs) It's-

Jonny 4:48 Poor anus.

Yusef 4:48 So all, all of this is just, it just comes from ... I, I think a Muslim upbringing gives you an obsessional level-

Jonny 4:56 (laughs)

Yusef 4:56 ... of toilet hygiene.

Jonny 4:57 Of anal hygiene?

Yusef 4:58 Yeah.

Jonny 5:00 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:01 (laughs) Which is weird because obviously-

Jonny 5:04 The more I think about that, the funnier it is.

Yusef 5:05 I just thought of another one. (laughs)

Jonny 5:07 Anal hygiene.

Chris Williamson 5:08 It's nothing to do with-

Jonny 5:09 Do you know what? I, I just want to ... Just for a segue, the last time I looked at Youssef's laptop during one of these episodes is when we did life hack fails, which never made it onto the podcast. But when I was reading his list ... So it's one of the funniest lists I've ever read in my life. But one of the things it said was just, "Joined a cult."

Chris Williamson 5:26 (laughs)

Yusef 5:27 So if you want-

Jonny 5:28 And I really, really want to know-

Yusef 5:29 We're gonna have to get onto that with life hack fails.

Chris Williamson 5:31 If you want, if you want to hear the life fails 101 episode, comment below and he'll do it because traffic.

Jonny 5:37 Because traffic.

Chris Williamson 5:38 Because traffic. Right.

Jonny 5:39 Time we're back.

Chris Williamson 5:40 Do you want to go, blah, blah? Or do you want me to go?

Jonny 5:41 Um, well, I, I ... (sighs) I'm, I'm reeling from the anal hygiene, to be honest.

Yusef 5:48 (laughs) Okay, have, have some time. Have, have a think and breathe.

Jonny 5:49 All right. Well, so, so my, my ... Probably my, one of my biggest tips related to anal hygiene is ... And this sounds so basic, but it's also a bit of a weird thing to say, but a lot of people talk to us about-... they're pooing. Like, I have a lot of conversations with a lot of people about their poo. And-

Yusef 6:08 I suppose we, we tell people what to put into their bodies.

Jonny 6:10 Yeah.

Yusef 6:11 And so, they think like-

Jonny 6:11 And what comes out is the, is the product of that. The easiest way to just make pooing a brilliant experience, like set your watch by it, just up your green vegetables. Like-

Yusef 6:23 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 6:23 ... 500 grammes to a kilo broccoli a day, and I guarantee you won't have any problems with that.

Chris Williamson 6:27 You have to eat 500 grammes to a gr- a kilo of broccoli a day?

Jonny 6:31 That's, it's not that much.

Yusef 6:33 If you blend it down as well, like if you go to proteinfitness.com/poo-

Jonny 6:36 Broccoli soup.

Yusef 6:37 ... there's an article on there for poo.

Jonny 6:38 And sort you out.

Chris Williamson 6:39 Wow.

Jonny 6:40 Sort you right out.

Yusef 6:40 Top to toe poo.

Jonny 6:40 So in fact, that's my tip.

Chris Williamson 6:42 Fine. Okay.

Jonny 6:42 Because like, it's overlooked but actually, like, pooing can be a really horrendous thing.

Yusef 6:48 What was the Kelly Starrett quote?

Jonny 6:51 If you wake up every morning with an erection, if you're a man, or you have a penis... Wake up every morning with an erection and have a poo every day, then you're probably quite healthy.

Chris Williamson 6:59 Physiologically-

Jonny 7:00 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:00 ... nothing to worry about.

Jonny 7:01 Mm-hmm. And, uh, like, as, as, sort of metrics go, I really like that. But-

Yusef 7:06 There's a, there's a famous, like, old doctor, you know when doctors were like polymaths?

Jonny 7:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:11 (laughs)

Yusef 7:11 And that says, that has a quote like, "There is nothing, no greater pleasure in this life than a good bowel movement."

Jonny 7:16 Mm-hmm. Well...

Yusef 7:18 (laughs)

Jonny 7:18 So, (laughs) I really agree, and it, it's also strange that anything, making anything go out of you feels fantastic, and there's very few ex- I can't think of a single exception to that.

Yusef 7:27 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 7:28 You want it out though, don't you?

Jonny 7:29 Just up, up your green vegetable intake. So dark, leafy green veg, broccoli, just add it into your diet.

Chris Williamson 7:34 Should we move on from colon?

Jonny 7:37 (laughs) That was my tip.

Chris Williamson 7:37 No, yeah, I know.

Jonny 7:38 All right.

Chris Williamson 7:39 I think, um-

Jonny 7:40 I like colon stuff. I like bum, bum, bum stuff.

Yusef 7:42 Such an opening.

Chris Williamson 7:42 Yeah, fine.

Jonny 7:42 Bum stuff, yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:44 It is an opening or a closing.

Jonny 7:45 Have you got any bum stuff?

Chris Williamson 7:46 Uh. No, I haven't got any bum stuff. So first one that I'm gonna do is one that-

Jonny 7:51 Oh, bring it back to bum stuff.

Chris Williamson 7:52 Everyone... Yeah. (laughs)

Jonny 7:53 We can do some more bum stuff.

Yusef 7:54 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:55 Everyone who follows me online will know, which is eat Soreen.

Jonny 7:59 Not related to bum stuff?

Chris Williamson 8:01 It will be. It will translate into bum stuff eventually.

Jonny 8:03 So there, there's a bum consequence, isn't there?

Yusef 8:04 So Soreen is the, is the brand.

Chris Williamson 8:06 Yeah.

Yusef 8:06 What, what is Soreen?

Chris Williamson 8:08 So it's a malt loaf, which is a fruit loaf (whimsical music)

Jonny 8:10 So Soreen make anything else?

Chris Williamson 8:12 No.

Jonny 8:13 They just make malt loaf?

Yusef 8:14 I think they make, like, a cake thing.

Jonny 8:15 Do they?

Yusef 8:16 I think so.

Chris Williamson 8:17 I'm not sure.

Yusef 8:17 But-

Chris Williamson 8:18 We don't need to worry... You do not need to worry yourself-

Jonny 8:20 Sorry.

Chris Williamson 8:20 ... with anything else-

Jonny 8:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 8:21 ... that Soreen make. All you need to be concerned about is-

Jonny 8:23 Just the malt.

Chris Williamson 8:23 ... the apple and sultana and banana malt loaf.

Jonny 8:26 So good example of how much Chris likes this, we came round here to watch the CrossFit Games couple of weeks ago.

Chris Williamson 8:32 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 8:33 Or whatever point in the past whenever you listen to this. I bought a few sleeves of mini ones thinking, right, there's plenty to go round. Think we had one each. Uh, watched a bit of the, watched a bit of the Games. Went to get one, and like, "Chris, where have they gone?"

Yusef 8:46 And he sat there for like-

Jonny 8:47 He was like, "I thought you were finished," so I just, by default-

Yusef 8:49 Malt loaf round his mouth.

Jonny 8:50 ... ate, ate the rest of them. (laughs)

Yusef 8:51 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 8:51 Just wrappers balanced on my face.

Yusef 8:54 I've, I've seen Chris put away large amounts of malt loaf.

Jonny 8:57 Yeah, inhale it.

Chris Williamson 8:57 People get disgusted by the way that I eat malt loaf, which is fucking crazy, 'cause they're looking at me eating malt loaf like you would look at someone taking out an unsliced loaf of bread and just-

Yusef 9:07 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 9:08 ... biting off the edge of it.

Jonny 9:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 9:09 Which is totally not what's happening-

Jonny 9:10 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 9:11 ... at all, because it's very different.

Jonny 9:13 It's very m- it's moist. It's like a dessert almost, isn't it, malt loaf?

Yusef 9:16 You can slice it, butter it, and put it in the toaster, but it's um-

Chris Williamson 9:18 It's just unnecessary.

Jonny 9:20 So I think buttered malt loaf's fantastic.

Yusef 9:21 Very nice.

Chris Williamson 9:21 It's lovely, but it's, you're just adding in steps to something that doesn't need to be made any better. So the best way to eat Soreen... First up, the, the main advantage of it is it is impossible to get that much, that many carbs into yourself that easily. No other food is that calorie dense in terms of carbohydrates.

Jonny 9:41 Honey.

Chris Williamson 9:43 It's not food.

Jonny 9:45 Is it a drink?

Yusef 9:45 So like non-

Chris Williamson 9:46 It's just easy.

Jonny 9:47 It's a, it's almost like a condiment.

Chris Williamson 9:47 It's just so easy to get it in. So you're like, right, a, a block that's like that...

Jonny 9:53 'Cause you just go...

Chris Williamson 9:55 No, it's more-

Jonny 9:56 Very (whimsical music) ...impactful.

Chris Williamson 9:56 ... it's like a tortilla. So you open it up, wrap it out, and then you just feed it out and then-

Yusef 10:02 So if you, you know when you're doing, um-

Chris Williamson 10:03 Self-contained meal.

Yusef 10:04 ... like silicon sealant or-

Chris Williamson 10:06 Yeah, yeah, you push from the back.

Yusef 10:07 Yeah, like, or like a-

Chris Williamson 10:07 Pritt Stick.

Yusef 10:08 ... Polyfilla, Pritt Stick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:10 Just push it from the back.

Yusef 10:10 You can get a gun. You could probably buy one from Wilko for pot loaf and just squeeze it-

Chris Williamson 10:14 Yeah, exactly.

Yusef 10:15 ... and it just pops it into your mouth.

Chris Williamson 10:15 And then, yeah, it's like 120 grammes of carbs in a, a single... I mean, anyone who's watching should know, should be eating, they should be eating Soreen right now.

Jonny 10:25 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 10:25 So just on that note, obviously y- everyone knows about the, the magical carb fat combination that just makes food irresistible-

Jonny 10:33 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 10:33 ... and you just keep eating it.

Jonny 10:34 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 10:34 So like, a croissant is the perfect example 'cause it's so unfilling and you can just pound the calories from it.

Jonny 10:39 Especially if it has garlic to it.

Yusef 10:41 Really?

Jonny 10:41 So think of like-

Yusef 10:43 Oh, so as in like-

Jonny 10:44 I'm talking savory, you're talking sweet.

Yusef 10:45 Not, not to a croissant?

Jonny 10:46 No, no, gone garlic.

Yusef 10:47 Okay, I see.

Jonny 10:47 Gone, gone, gone.

Yusef 10:48 So, so yeah, salt-

Jonny 10:49 I'm an animal.

Yusef 10:50 Salt makes you-

Jonny 10:51 Yeah, maniac.

Yusef 10:51 ... less full from a fatty meal. So adding, which, which makes sense. Like you add salt to chips and you can eat more of them.

Jonny 10:56 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 10:57 Um, and so the other thing that if you, if you're rice inclined, Iranian rice. You ever been to like a Persian restaurant and they have the rice with the butter on top and the saffron? And-

Jonny 11:09 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 11:09 ... it's, it's really like, becomes very slippery rice and you can just put it away.

Chris Williamson 11:13 Just pound it, buy-

Jonny 11:14 Yeah, so the sur- So rice is quite dry, isn't it?

Yusef 11:16 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 11:16 In its natural form, yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:17 Usually. There's something special, the, the magic that is Soreen, I don't think it can... I don't think anyone really understands how it works.

Yusef 11:23 So can, can you talk me through the flavors? 'Cause there are some really nice ones.

Chris Williamson 11:25 So chocolate, chocolate's really good. Original, I'd just leave that. That's for, like that's too basic. You don't wanna do that.

Jonny 11:31 I think that has to be buttered Original.

Yusef 11:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 11:32 That's beginning... Yeah, it does. That's beginner, that's entry. You don't really need to start on that. Just go straight for the banana. All you want is banana. Don't fuck about with these like lunchbox loaves, 'cause you get started and then you stop. Just-

Jonny 11:43 So you eat, you eat the entire-

Chris Williamson 11:43 It's just not enough for-

Jonny 11:44 You eat the entire loaf?

Chris Williamson 11:45 Yeah, it's, and if you need to gain weight or if you are, uh, an athlete or if you are a human being that requires sustenance, buy Soreen. There we go. That's my life hack.

Yusef 11:55 So the- there's banana, there's like five fruit, which is very nice.

Chris Williamson 11:59 Five fruit. There's a-

Yusef 11:59 Apple cinnamon.

Chris Williamson 12:00 ... apple s- uh, apple sultana. Um, they did a blood orange and chocolate chip-

Yusef 12:05 Oh.

Chris Williamson 12:05 ... that was a screen.... for, special for-

Jonny 12:08 Oh, nice.

Yusef 12:09 Limited editions.

Chris Williamson 12:09 ... for Halloween. I got hold of some of that.

Yusef 12:11 Oh, damn. I bet you stockpiled it.

Chris Williamson 12:12 I've got a guy, yeah.

Yusef 12:13 Okay.

Chris Williamson 12:13 I've got a guy at HQ. Uh, my, my life goal is to become sponsored by Sorein. Uh, Sorein, @soreinhq on Instagram.

Yusef 12:19 I think you can easily get that.

Chris Williamson 12:21 Man, if I-

Jonny 12:21 They can't have that many people after that.

Chris Williamson 12:23 If I'm in here next, on the next Lifehacks, Lifehacks 106, and we're all just s- wearing Sorein t-shirts-

Jonny 12:29 They'd be yellow tees, wouldn't they?

Chris Williamson 12:30 ... and a Sorein hat. Yeah, yeah, bright yellow. It'd make you look good.

Jonny 12:33 Thanks, man.

Chris Williamson 12:34 You look nice in yellow. Anyway, moving on. What's next?

Yusef 12:37 When, when have, when has Johnny worn yellow?

Chris Williamson 12:39 Lescon. Lescon.

Jonny 12:40 I have a, I have a Yellow Enter Shikari t-shirt that would nowhere near fit me now.

Chris Williamson 12:46 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 12:46 I also have a green Forward Russia t-shirt. Have you ever heard of Forward Russia?

Yusef 12:49 Forward Russia? Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:49 Moving on.

Yusef 12:50 Okay. Have we talked about microbugs?

Jonny 12:53 No. Is this a weird thing?

Yusef 12:57 In fact, so thi- this is another physical one. Let, let's move on to a digital one.

Chris Williamson 13:00 Cool.

Yusef 13:01 So, workingmemory.txt. So, this is Cal Newport's idea of you have a permanent capture available on your computer with easy access at any time. So, I always talk about, like, the, the, most people don't have a capture. They might have some way of sometimes capturing some things in certain circumstances, but they don't have a universal way to just, something comes onto their, into their general inbox.

Chris Williamson 13:27 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 13:27 Into their awareness and they have to do something with it, or just capture it down and then process it into one of their systems. This allows you, at least while you're at a computer, it's the equivalent of carrying a notebook around with you. So, you'll be doing a task, something comes into your head or something happens and you're like, "Oh, I need to fix that." But you don't want to be derailed from the task that you're currently doing, so you open workingmemory.txt, dump it down in there, get back to what you're doing.

Chris Williamson 13:52 So is it just like a Notepad?

Yusef 13:53 It, yeah, so some people use a Notepad file, you know the app Notepad-

Chris Williamson 13:56 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 13:57 Like, the proper old school Windows one.

Chris Williamson 13:58 Notes.

Yusef 13:58 Yeah, or Notes. I use, because, because I use Evernote for everything else, you can have a little elephant in the top, in the task bar, which you click on and it opens up like a unformatted bit of text. You can just dump ideas into there.

Jonny 14:11 Does it actually add it to Evernote, though?

Yusef 14:13 You can, but I, I just leave it as-

Jonny 14:15 Just by default?

Yusef 14:15 Yeah.

Jonny 14:16 Why don't you Alfred, and then add it to Trello or...

Yusef 14:20 Yes, you can do that as well with Alfred. Um-

Jonny 14:23 But, but having something that, like, thought-

Chris Williamson 14:25 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 14:26 ... I need to get rid of that and then carry on doing.

Chris Williamson 14:26 Yeah, but your first, the first ever one that we did on 101 was-

Jonny 14:30 Capture process.

Chris Williamson 14:31 ... capture. Have a capture, and it also came back up on 103.

Yusef 14:34 There's so... Well, be- 'cause, 'cause capture, I've got a list of stuff for capture because you need-

Chris Williamson 14:38 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 14:39 ... um, like, that's why Toby is a capture for, like, You Make Sense of Your Life-

Chris Williamson 14:42 Web links. Yeah.

Yusef 14:43 ... you, you're busy, you're driving or whatever, you just, you try and put it into something and then...

Jonny 14:47 Yeah. Best capture... So, the, my, one of my biggest problems with capture is when I'm driving. So I'll be, I'm driving and I'm like, I've thought of something.

Chris Williamson 14:55 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 14:55 Oh, yeah.

Jonny 14:55 What do I do? So now it's just, "Hey, Siri."

Yusef 15:00 That's good.

Chris Williamson 15:01 Nice.

Jonny 15:02 Got it trained.

Yusef 15:02 So how do you do it? Make a note?

Jonny 15:04 You just say, "Remind me to," and it-

Chris Williamson 15:07 Okay. 'Cause you only need to like-

Jonny 15:08 ... comes up, you can take advantage.

Chris Williamson 15:08 You only need, like, three words of a cue, right? And it'll bring it back.

Jonny 15:11 Yeah, it's as simple word.

Chris Williamson 15:13 Which is weird. Yeah.

Yusef 15:13 The only thing is, if anyone has any suggestions, 'cause iOS 12's coming out and they've improved the voice notes function, and it syncs with Mac and all of that stuff. If someone can find a way to really quickly do a voice note... (snaps fingers)

Chris Williamson 15:26 Swipe up from the bottom, add it to your, uh-

Yusef 15:28 It's not as part of the... Maybe in the beta it's not part of the options there.

Chris Williamson 15:32 So-

Yusef 15:32 But-

Chris Williamson 15:33 ... does it open the app when you do it from there?

Jonny 15:35 Uh...

Chris Williamson 15:35 Because you can have it in your dock at your home, so you can swipe up from the bottom and open voice notes from there, but then you'd have to press and hold.

Jonny 15:42 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 15:42 Are you talking about swipe up from the bottom and just press and hold, and it'll go from there?

Yusef 15:44 Yeah, so some way, just... I, I know that sounds really pedantic to minimize the number of steps to do something, but, like-

Chris Williamson 15:49 Mm-hmm. It would be nice.

Yusef 15:50 Yeah.

Jonny 15:50 Why... You should use Siri more.

Yusef 15:53 Siri never, never-

Chris Williamson 15:54 But you are using an iPhone 5C.

Yusef 15:56 Yeah.

Jonny 15:57 You get, you get b- Siri improves the more you use it. That's the, the "Hey, Siri" thing.

Chris Williamson 16:02 (laughs)

Jonny 16:02 See? There you go.

Chris Williamson 16:03 She won't shut up now.

Jonny 16:03 The, it, it, that's improved exponentially the more I've used it.

Yusef 16:06 There's hundreds of times where I'm lying there like, "Hey, Siri. Hey, Siri," and nothing. And it, it just hates me.

Jonny 16:12 Arab.

Yusef 16:13 And your, your phone gets me over in, 10 miles away.

Jonny 16:15 Yeah. But like, but having that as a... So that will work. That can be across the other side of the room, and I think of something, I have total, total capture.

Yusef 16:23 If it, if it works. Have, have you seen Alexa?

Chris Williamson 16:25 I don't think it-

Jonny 16:25 Yeah.

Yusef 16:25 Oh.

Chris Williamson 16:25 So Alexa, Google Home. They're awful. Shite.

Jonny 16:29 Yeah. It's... Oh, I agree.

Chris Williamson 16:30 Absolutely shite.

Yusef 16:31 While Julian was having sex with his wife and, um-

Chris Williamson 16:34 (laughs)

Yusef 16:34 ... Alexa just went, "Mm, that's nice." And he was like, "Right, I'm unplugging Alexa."

Chris Williamson 16:39 Yeah.

Yusef 16:39 Fuck that.

Chris Williamson 16:40 Right. Johnny, have you got one?

Jonny 16:42 Um, so this is a book recommendation. Is that allowed?

Chris Williamson 16:46 Yep.

Jonny 16:47 Um, so I listened to, on reco- uh, by recommendation of Ben, if he's listening, um, a book called Living With A Seal, by a guy called Jesse Itzler, I think.

Chris Williamson 17:00 (barks)

Jonny 17:00 Not, not one of those seals. So, th- this guy's, like, mega successful. Uh, done multiple businesses. His wife created Spanx.

Chris Williamson 17:08 Yep.

Jonny 17:09 So, like, very, very successful couple.

Chris Williamson 17:11 Some fucking good genetics in that family, eh?

Jonny 17:13 Yeah. And he was like, right... All right, so he, he was at a, he was at a marathon, or an ultra-marathon, but it w- it was a team ultra-marathon. And there was this... Everyone's there in a team, and there's, uh, he describes it as this massive, Black, shredded guy who just did the whole thing himself.

Chris Williamson 17:29 (laughs)

Jonny 17:29 And he's like-

Chris Williamson 17:29 Fuck you.

Jonny 17:29 ... gets to the end and he's, like, limping and there's bleeding everywhere. And he finds his contact details, looks him up, realizes he's this, like, extremely decorated Navy SEAL.

Yusef 17:38 Is he the one that wrote the post about he broke, like, four bones in his foot and-

Chris Williamson 17:42 It's not David Goggins, is it?

Jonny 17:43 I don't know. No. No. Um, so gets his details, rings him up and says, "I want to pay you to just live with me for a month." And he's like, "I'll do it, but-"

Chris Williamson 17:52 It is David Goggins.

Jonny 17:53 David Goggins? Who's David Goggins?

Chris Williamson 17:56 The SEAL.

Jonny 17:57 Oh, mate, he doesn't reveal his name.

Chris Williamson 17:58 It's David Goggins.

Jonny 17:59 He just calls him SEAL.

Chris Williamson 18:00 It's David Goggins.

Jonny 18:01 David Goggins?

Chris Williamson 18:02 Yeah.

Jonny 18:03 How do you know that? 'Cause the whole time in the book he's like, "I'm not... I can't say his name."

Chris Williamson 18:07 I'm... If it's not David Goggins-

Jonny 18:09 Uh-huh.

Chris Williamson 18:10 ... then there's another guy that's done the exact same thing-

Jonny 18:13 Right.

Chris Williamson 18:14 ... and got him to live there. Did he make him jump in a frozen lake?

Jonny 18:16 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:17 Yeah, it's David Goggins.

Jonny 18:19 Not the author? The Navy SEAL is David Goggins.

Chris Williamson 18:21 The Navy SEAL is David Goggins.

Jonny 18:22 Okay.

Chris Williamson 18:23 And the guy that you're talking about, the author is called?

Jonny 18:25 Jesse Itzler.

Chris Williamson 18:26 Jesse Itzler. Listen to, listen to Joe Rogan's podcast, search Joe Rogan, Jesse Itzler and you will get to hear the behind the scenes to that book.

Jonny 18:33 Shit me.

Chris Williamson 18:34 Where he says exactly what it was like.

Jonny 18:35 It's like Inception.

Chris Williamson 18:36 He made him jump in the-

Yusef 18:37 I'm just watching Johnny butcher Alfred.

Jonny 18:40 Why?

Yusef 18:40 And it's really upsetting me.

Jonny 18:41 Why did I butcher it?

Yusef 18:42 So he's, um, it, it's the equivalent of watching your mum, like-

Jonny 18:45 (laughs)

Yusef 18:46 ... type H-T-T-P-

Jonny 18:47 What, because I did-

Yusef 18:48 Colon.

Jonny 18:49 ... I did Chrome and then used Google.

Yusef 18:51 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:52 Yeah, it's just inefficient, isn't it?

Yusef 18:53 And then moved the mouse over to the little arrow.

Chris Williamson 18:55 But it was-

Jonny 18:56 So-

Chris Williamson 18:56 But it was effective.

Jonny 18:57 I'm gonna do-

Chris Williamson 18:58 So. Ho- hold on.

Jonny 18:58 Okay. Well, I mean, what have you got the laptop out for? To, to check it was Jesse Itzler.

Chris Williamson 19:02 Yep.

Jonny 19:03 So, the reason that that's a good book-

Chris Williamson 19:06 Yep.

Jonny 19:06 ... is you realize, so the whole time, the guy's like getting woken up at 4:00 AM and made to run nine miles and then- So did he pay this man to just- Yeah. David Goggins. So the only con- the only condition is that he has to do everything that he tells him to do.

Chris Williamson 19:20 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 19:20 So he, he builds him up to the point of doing a thousand push-ups in a day. He's making him, he's running in the snow. It's awful.

Yusef 19:26 A thousand push-ups a day is not, is not that bad, actually. I mean, I'm, I'm-

Chris Williamson 19:31 It's like every 20 minutes-

Yusef 19:33 No.

Chris Williamson 19:33 ... you need to do a little set.

Yusef 19:34 Is it every hour you do 100?

Jonny 19:36 I think that it's-

Chris Williamson 19:38 For, for an untrained person.

Jonny 19:38 You're not, you're not factoring in the, the cumulative fatigue by the time he's done like 800.

Yusef 19:43 So I've done the Armstrong programme, where I was doing 400 a day, like in the morning before I went to work.

Jonny 19:47 Okay.

Yusef 19:47 And that was-

Chris Williamson 19:48 'Cause you went to work with an unbelievable chest pump, didn't you?

Jonny 19:51 Did you build up, you built up to 400 a day, though.

Yusef 19:53 I did, yeah. Like the first-

Chris Williamson 19:54 This guy is going from scratch.

Yusef 19:55 Yeah, first day, yeah.

Jonny 19:56 Just from, from zero to 1,000 a day in about, in a month's time.

Yusef 19:59 Okay.

Jonny 19:59 But, but anyway, so the, the point is, I think so many people, we get so many people saying like, "Oh, um, I can't do that 'cause I'll over train."

Chris Williamson 20:07 (laughs)

Jonny 20:08 Or, "I can't diet like that 'cause I'll be, I'll be too hungry."

Yusef 20:11 'Cause of the media.

Chris Williamson 20:11 Yeah.

Jonny 20:11 Or like, "I can't wake up early 'cause it's too difficult." You listen to this and you just like, "Bollocks to that."

Chris Williamson 20:16 Shut the fuck up.

Jonny 20:16 Like this guy's getting woken up, like he, there was one thing he did where he made him do, he made him go for a run every two hours-

Chris Williamson 20:23 Yeah.

Jonny 20:23 ... for 48 hours or something.

Chris Williamson 20:24 Yeah.

Jonny 20:25 And he was-

Yusef 20:25 Well, including sleep and stuff, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 20:27 Yes, every two hours.

Jonny 20:27 He wakes him up every two hours.

Chris Williamson 20:29 (laughs)

Jonny 20:29 And he like goes in to get the, David Goggins, but he calls him SEAL, which I think is better. I think you've ruined it for me, actually.

Chris Williamson 20:34 Sorry.

Jonny 20:35 Goes in, goes into SEAL's bedroom, and he's sleeping in an oxygen chamber that he's created in this guy's flat.

Yusef 20:42 Why?

Jonny 20:42 In-

Chris Williamson 20:43 Recovery.

Jonny 20:43 Just because you got to be ready for anything.

Yusef 20:45 Oh, I see.

Jonny 20:45 That's it, his, his whole philosophy is.

Yusef 20:46 So you know, I, I, I was giving it the big one, the bigun about all the like push-ups. But actually running every two hours, even if it's 100 meters, no way.

Jonny 20:54 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 20:54 Just-

Jonny 20:55 So then he goes, he makes him get into that icy lake and he like, it, it turns out that the lake's a lot colder than they expect.

Yusef 21:01 (laughs)

Jonny 21:01 And then he runs, has to run up a mountain. Like, you just, I, I sat and thought about it, like, "I'm such a little bitch."

Chris Williamson 21:07 Yeah.

Jonny 21:07 Like, "This guy's just going into Navy SEAL training for a month." (laughs)

Yusef 21:10 Sounds like a great book. I'm gonna, I'll get a hold of that then if you'd, uh-

Chris Williamson 21:13 That's cool.

Jonny 21:14 So that's the, that, the take home is like, I think he says at the end, um ... How do I get back to Evernote? The take, the take home, the take home is like your body will adapt to pretty much whatever you throw at it.

Chris Williamson 21:25 Yeah, see-

Jonny 21:25 The hard thing is getting, putting yourself through that process, which is why you need accountability and all this other stuff.

Chris Williamson 21:30 I think, I think accountability and, um, someone to direct you-

Jonny 21:33 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:33 ... is the main take, or the, the main missing part-

Jonny 21:37 Yep.

Chris Williamson 21:37 ... of what most people have got.

Jonny 21:39 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:39 Like for instance, recently I've started on programming, Funwari programming for CrossFit as part of my rehab. And I haven't missed a single day. Like up until now, I've always missed days of training, but I know if I miss a day of training, that it's gonna pop up on FitBot to my coach and he-

Jonny 21:54 I just threw water on Scoob's laptop.

Yusef 21:55 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 21:55 He's gonna go on his brand new laptop.

Jonny 21:57 Get someone, someone get someone a ... Uh ...

Yusef 21:59 Uh-

Chris Williamson 21:59 What? It's not even anywhere near the ... It's just on the metal.

Jonny 22:02 I know, but it's not my laptop.

Chris Williamson 22:05 Anyway.

Jonny 22:05 (laughs) I'm so sorry.

Chris Williamson 22:07 Right. So I am going to do, uh, swipe right on Spotify. So if you use Spotify on your phone, this is unbelievable and I only found out about it by accidentally doing it. So if you, um, go on to, open up Spotify, browsing through tracks that you want to play. If you press and hold on a track and then swipe to the right, you'll add it to the play queue.

Yusef 22:33 Johnny's doing it on the album art. (laughs)

Jonny 22:35 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 22:35 You fucking ... Dear me. Deary me. Yeah, swipe right, swipe right to add to a queue. And what's really cool is you can start a playlist, so you can be playing through a bunch of songs-

Jonny 22:47 That's swiping left.

Chris Williamson 22:50 It can be-

Jonny 22:50 Queueed.

Chris Williamson 22:50 There you go. So that'll play next.

Jonny 22:53 Ah.

Chris Williamson 22:53 And then it will jump back to the playlist you're in. So let's say-

Yusef 22:56 That's lovely. I hate having to interrupt a playlist.

Chris Williamson 22:58 Yeah. So let's say that you're listening to an album and you're like, "Oh, I'm listening to Bring Me The Horizon's new album, but I really fancy just having three songs from Misery Signals and one from You Me at Six in there." Quickly jump out, search, swipe, swipe, search again, swipe again, and it'll play those in order, then jump back to the playlist that you're in. And you're just like, "That is ..." Especially for training, it's like making a miniature playlist immediately.

Jonny 23:22 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 23:23 And then if you've got your saved songs, you can create a little order of them by doing it that way as well. It's really cool. So yeah, you should absolutely do that.

Jonny 23:31 Swipe right on Spotify.

Chris Williamson 23:32 Swipe right on Spotify, man.

Yusef 23:34 Okay.

Jonny 23:35 It's good.

Yusef 23:35 So back to a physical one for me. Microbags. I can't remember if we did this in 103.

Jonny 23:40 No.

Yusef 23:40 But these are BPA free. So bisphenol A, which is a, one of these plastics that secretes, that releases, uh, estrogen. Um, so you don't want that. These, these don't have-

Chris Williamson 23:51 So it's, it's really, it's really angry and it sometimes gets passive aggressive.

Yusef 23:55 (laughs) In a sort of cyclical nature, yeah.

Chris Williamson 23:57 Yeah, 28 days.

Yusef 23:57 So, so, so don't, um, you wanna avoid that. These bags don't have it. You put vegetables or chicken or whatever in. Could be frozen, could be room temperature, whatever. You pull off the little sticky bit, fold it over, put it in the microwave and it microwaves things to tender perfection within two minutes, three minutes. So you could take chicken-... and because it- it's a semi-permeable bag, so you can put it on a plate and it fills up with steam that's inherent in the chicken, and then like pumps in and out so it keeps it circulating. Cooks it through evenly, makes it really tender, and it's just the best way to cook-

Chris Williamson 24:34 How much are they?

Yusef 24:35 ... chicken, or... They are like three pounds for 200, something like that. So like I bought, I bought a block of them last year and have barely used half of them so far.

Chris Williamson 24:48 That's really good.

Yusef 24:49 Bloody excellent.

Chris Williamson 24:50 That's awesome. That's a-

Yusef 24:50 So you can... So something I do is just like, I'll put in some like, a block of frozen ginger, some chicken thighs, some veg, maybe a bit of spice or something, fold it over, put it in the thing-

Chris Williamson 25:01 So it's like a-

Yusef 25:01 ... and pop it in the microwave.

Chris Williamson 25:01 ... it's a s- it's a fast slow cooker.

Yusef 25:04 Yep. Lovely tender chicken.

Chris Williamson 25:07 Nice. That's good. Blob, you got one?

Jonny 25:09 You're the first person that told me that you can microwave chicken.

Yusef 25:12 It's- it's a scary thing.

Jonny 25:13 I never realized you could.

Yusef 25:14 Oh, so yeah, you can't microwave chicken on the bone.

Chris Williamson 25:16 Yeah.

Yusef 25:16 Because something to do with the way the bone reacts-

Chris Williamson 25:19 Effects the heating.

Yusef 25:20 ... with the thing. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't cook the meat around the bone.

Chris Williamson 25:22 Oh.

Jonny 25:22 Oh.

Yusef 25:22 You can only use boneless chicken when you microwave.

Chris Williamson 25:25 There you go. That's... You've got two for one.

Yusef 25:27 There we go.

Jonny 25:28 Don't microwave boneless chicken.

Chris Williamson 25:29 Yeah, man.

Jonny 25:30 Or, well, actually, that you can microwave chicken, but not boneless.

Chris Williamson 25:34 Three for one. (laughs)

Jonny 25:36 Um, have I mentioned my coffee machine?

Chris Williamson 25:40 No.

Jonny 25:40 Don't know if you remember.

Chris Williamson 25:40 No.

Jonny 25:41 So this was a, um... I'm stealing as well, but this was mentioned, this was recommended to me by someone else, um, that it's a really cheap... It was like 40 quid, which in the context (laughs) of like a coffee machine is not very much money.

Chris Williamson 25:54 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 25:55 And it's just a drip filter coffee machine.

Chris Williamson 25:57 What's the brand?

Jonny 25:58 Uh...

Yusef 25:58 I think the, like, pod coffee machines are like 70 to-

Jonny 26:01 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:02 ... 100 pound under.

Jonny 26:02 I can't remember the brand. I can get a link for the-

Chris Williamson 26:04 Fine.

Jonny 26:04 ... show notes.

Chris Williamson 26:04 Show notes below.

Jonny 26:05 Um, but basically, uh, it's a cupcake filter which is metal mesh, so there's no like... You don't have to get the paper filters, there's-

Chris Williamson 26:15 Yeah, okay.

Jonny 26:15 And it's got a sim- I guess, a special name for the thing that... It's very similar to the thing you've got in the office.

Chris Williamson 26:20 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 26:21 Um, but just having that on a timer for 6:00 AM is... There's been a massive shift for me.

Chris Williamson 26:26 And it's 40 quid.

Jonny 26:27 'Cause I... Yeah, and like it means-

Chris Williamson 26:29 And what does it take? Ground?

Jonny 26:31 Uh, yeah, ground. Yeah. So I, I've also bought... I also bought a coffee grinder, but I'm a bit of a coffee snob. Like I wouldn't just have Aficionado, yeah. Like don't, don't... Not a fan of-

Chris Williamson 26:42 You don't mind. That's the thing. That's the difference between aficionado and snob.

Jonny 26:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 26:45 'Cause you don't mind having shit coffee-

Jonny 26:47 Yeah, I-

Chris Williamson 26:48 ... as long as you have some coffee.

Jonny 26:49 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:49 But you can also appreciate...

Jonny 26:52 So when, uh, when I'm at home and I, I, I, I can make some nice coffee, I like to. So put it... I put the grounds in the night before and then just... I wait, I walk downstairs-

Chris Williamson 27:02 And you've got coffee.

Jonny 27:02 ... and there's a hot jug of coffee that's really nice, that keeps it hot.

Chris Williamson 27:06 And you've refined the blend to-

Jonny 27:08 So you can set the strength and set the, um, obviously the amount of water.

Chris Williamson 27:13 Yeah.

Jonny 27:13 The amount of coffee.

Chris Williamson 27:14 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 27:14 I'm getting deja vu about the coffee machine and the Spotify swipe right.

Chris Williamson 27:19 I haven't done.

Jonny 27:19 So the Spotify swipe right is definitely not... I've not heard that one before.

Yusef 27:22 Really? Okay.

Chris Williamson 27:23 No. And that one wasn't. He's done, uh... He did take coffee into work to save you money on going to-

Jonny 27:29 Oh, yeah. The double, double Contigos.

Yusef 27:31 Ah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:31 Yeah. So don't worry, man.

Jonny 27:33 Okay.

Chris Williamson 27:34 Um, so next up for me, I've been wanting to do this one for ages and I didn't really know how to put it across. So if you are, in this day and age, and you're still using the word gay as a ca- colloquial, casual word that essentially means rubbish, you're just asking for trouble.

Jonny 27:57 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 27:58 Like you will get... S- someone somewhere is going to find real problem with it, and rightly so, because it should...

Jonny 28:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:04 You shouldn't be using that word. So I think a lot of the time what people mean when they say gay is lame or rubbish, but what comes out is a word which is quite, um, fiery, y- you know, it elicits reactions-

Jonny 28:21 Upset, upsets people, yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:21 ... you don't want some people. They don't mean that gay is rubbish. That's just the word that they go to for it.

Jonny 28:27 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:28 So what I realized was... This is a long time ago. This is like five... Longer than five years ago. I needed to cycle that word completely out of my language. I didn't want to resort to it at all. But, uh, like when you stub your toe and you go, "Fuck."

Jonny 28:41 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:41 It was just...

Jonny 28:42 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:42 It was reactionary for me. So what I needed to do was come up with a solution for how I was no longer gonna be a- no longer going to use that word. And for me it was cycling out the word gay and using the word lame. And the advantage of using the word lame is it sounds so much like the word that you, you were using that you... It, it's a seamless transition between the two. And after forcing yourself to say the word lame about, for three weeks, four weeks, the word gay is out of your vocabulary and you're now... You've insulated yourself from being in the center of a big scandal.

Yusef 29:18 So I'm gonna be the, the knob end, the, uh, the devil's advocate for this. But lame, some... I, I... Like this is people who are looking to be offended by stuff, but some people would conflate lame with someone who is paralytic or disabled.

Chris Williamson 29:34 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 29:34 And so then it's like, "Oh, it's, it's referring to it as that." But I think the defense is something can be lame with no reference to that. Whereas if you're calling something gay, that you can't fall back on like, "Oh, I just meant like the happy version of gay."

Chris Williamson 29:48 (laughs)

Yusef 29:48 It's not quite the same. But like the word cretin, idiot, imbecile, moron, all of those were clinical terms for someone with subnormal IQ until they became standard-

Chris Williamson 30:01 Indoctrinated.

Yusef 30:02 Yeah. They just became the standard vocabulary and then they became a derogatory term.

Chris Williamson 30:04 So the etymology of all of those words are medical.

Yusef 30:07 They're all medical words. Uh, spastic.

Jonny 30:09 I suppose the difference there is that what someone's... Someone's using that to almost try and get that across, aren't they?

Chris Williamson 30:16 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 30:17 Like, whereas saying something's gay, like you aren't saying-

Chris Williamson 30:19 ... that person's ho- that's homosexual. Y- you're just using it as a way of-

Yusef 30:23 Reacting, yeah.

Chris Williamson 30:23 People have conflated that word with m- meaning lame or rubbish, essentially.

Jonny 30:28 Yeah.

Yusef 30:28 So like you were saying, you stub your toe and you, "Oh, shit." It, you don't, you don't mean like, "Oh, feces." You-

Chris Williamson 30:34 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 30:34 ... mean like, it's just a-

Chris Williamson 30:35 Bad i- bad thing.

Jonny 30:36 That's bad, yeah.

Chris Williamson 30:36 That's when, when people-

Yusef 30:37 As JP was saying, it's the same circuitry that's like screaming.

Chris Williamson 30:39 Yeah.

Yusef 30:39 Like a primal scream.

Chris Williamson 30:40 'Cause if you've ever heard someone accuse someone else of, that's being a wimp, if they've ever used the F word, which I'd rather not say because that's a little bit, that elicits a a little bit more, um, variations.

Yusef 30:51 Bundle of st- the bundle of sticks?

Chris Williamson 30:52 Yeah. (laughs)

Yusef 30:53 Right.

Chris Williamson 30:54 Yeah. Uh, pork ball, pork balls.

Jonny 30:56 I don't know what you're talking about.

Chris Williamson 30:56 Pork balls.

Yusef 30:57 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 30:57 Faggot balls.

Yusef 30:59 Pork ball... Oh, y- I've seen them in the freezer.

Chris Williamson 31:01 Pork faggots. They don't mean that's a bundle of pork balls.

Yusef 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 31:07 (laughs)

Yusef 31:07 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:08 You're a pork ball. They don't mean that.

Yusef 31:10 (laughs) I think we should start using that.

Chris Williamson 31:12 But what that... What they mean is-

Jonny 31:13 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:13 ... "You're a wuss. You're a Nancy boy. You're a pussy."

Yusef 31:16 I wonder if wuss and wimp were originally-

Chris Williamson 31:18 Probably.

Yusef 31:19 ... yeah.

Chris Williamson 31:19 Anyway, my point is-

Yusef 31:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:20 My point is that you shouldn't be using the word gay to refer to anything really, and cycling it out and using the word lame is the easiest route for m- that I think you can find to doing it. And once you start doing it, lame actually sounds, uh, a lot of people understand what you mean a lot more, uh, a lot more effectively.

Yusef 31:35 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 31:35 And it sounds quite good. It's a nicely rounded word.

Yusef 31:37 There are some gay people I know that use gay as a derogatory term as well, but I think it's almost like-

Chris Williamson 31:43 Black people using the N-word.

Yusef 31:44 ... yeah, it's kind of like a s- uh, a semi-ironic thing, isn't it? Yeah.

Chris Williamson 31:48 You're allowed to, mate. You're allowed to. I'm just... The, the reason, the reason I'm laughing-

Yusef 31:51 Like, pakis don't really call each other pakis.

Jonny 31:52 ... I was laughing at the video from Who Is America?

Yusef 31:55 Yep. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:56 Uh, definitely watch that series. Fantastic.

Jonny 31:58 Where, you know, in ISIS, uh, if they think that you are homosexual, it is the worst thing that could happen, so you need to drop the pants and shout America and the, it, it's hon- if... Yeah, definitely watch it if anyone hasn't.

Chris Williamson 32:10 It's, it's worth watching as well.

Yusef 32:11 It's not really a comedy, it's just frightening.

Jonny 32:13 Yeah, it's, it's, it's taken somewhere, it's quite a series-

Chris Williamson 32:14 It's a social experiment by Sacha Baron Cohen trolling all of America, isn't it? Uh...

Jonny 32:18 Have you seen Rowan Atkinson's thing about e- offense recently?

Yusef 32:22 He's got in a load of shit, right?

Jonny 32:25 I don't know how much trouble he's got in, but I, I think it's fantastic.

Yusef 32:28 Haven't seen it.

Jonny 32:28 He's basically saying like, the, the culture, the society is moving more and more towards this idea that people, that like, we should protect peop- people from being offended. And he's saying actually, the flip side, like we should, people should be offended, getting offended all the time, 'cause it's the only way to insulate yourself from it.

Chris Williamson 32:44 This nanny state culture is what the snowflake kind of-

Jonny 32:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 32:48 ... community in America's come from. I don't know, I'd be interested to hear in the comments below if, um, viewers from America do see this, but to me, everything we see from America that comes out is kind of like a sitcom.

Yusef 32:59 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:59 I, I can't tell the difference between a seminar that's got someone shouting at Ben Shapiro and an episode of Arrested Development.

Jonny 33:07 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 33:07 Hmm.

Chris Williamson 33:07 Like, do you know what I mean? It's, it's just all one and the same.

Yusef 33:09 So this, this is Poe's law, isn't it, where if you were to, like, on the internet, if you were to try and characterize and, um, do a s- a sarcastic, uh, post or something about a, about a view and it's taken seriously, or y- you can't actually chara- caricature it enough... But I'm gonna have to find the, uh, the exact definition, which...

Chris Williamson 33:33 I understand what you mean though. So yeah, my, my, my point is that in America at the moment, it does seem like there's this like hyper snowflake, super protectionist nanny state kind of...

Jonny 33:43 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 33:44 Mm-hmm. That it seems like a parody. So, so th- this was it, it was like, "Without a clear indicator of sarcasm in the author's, in the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it can't be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the parodied views."

Chris Williamson 33:59 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 34:00 So-

Chris Williamson 34:00 That's the problem, that's the problem when people take real world examples to extremes.

Yusef 34:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 34:04 When people become offended at absolutely anything, you can't take the piss out of being offended at anything because someone actually was.

Jonny 34:11 Yeah.

Yusef 34:11 Well, it's impossible to parody a creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake that for a genuine creationist article.

Chris Williamson 34:17 Yeah, fair enough.

Yusef 34:18 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:18 So...

Jonny 34:19 But yeah, so, so my point was really just leading on from what you were saying, which I understand.

Chris Williamson 34:22 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:22 It's like, don't say this because it offends people.

Chris Williamson 34:24 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:25 But it's like in the same way that, you know, people are now opposed to va- vaccines.

Chris Williamson 34:29 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:29 Like, all that is is, is exposure to something to build resilience to it.

Chris Williamson 34:33 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:33 And actually, like-

Yusef 34:34 The more you insulate yourself, the more sensitive and raw you become.

Jonny 34:36 Precisely.

Yusef 34:37 And then it's, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 34:37 Because eventually you will, you will get offended by something and then it's, it'll be cataclysmic.

Yusef 34:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:41 But there's some, there's some things that I think that you shouldn't... There's certain areas that you can avoid being offensive in quite easily.

Jonny 34:50 Yeah, especially when it's not needed.

Chris Williamson 34:51 And language, language is one of them.

Jonny 34:53 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 34:53 I'm not asking you to compromise on your views. I'm not asking you to change anything about the core tenet of who you are.

Jonny 34:59 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 34:59 I'm just saying the way that you express yourself could be done in a way which loses you nothing, but gains someone else a lot, and also gains you a lot as well.

Jonny 35:12 Yeah. So I think the key thing is like-

Chris Williamson 35:14 You net a huge positive.

Jonny 35:15 ... it's, it's using same things unnecessarily, like it, it, 'cause all it is is just lazy language, isn't it really?

Chris Williamson 35:20 Yeah.

Jonny 35:20 It's like a, a filler word.

Chris Williamson 35:22 Yeah.

Jonny 35:22 And if that's gonna offend someone, it's easy to change.

Chris Williamson 35:24 Fuck it, swap it out.

Jonny 35:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 35:25 Yeah. And if you want to stand a hard line on like, First Amendment, then sweet, but...

Yusef 35:34 It's a weird thing to take a stand on because it's an accidental homophobic comment-

Jonny 35:38 Yeah.

Yusef 35:39 ... when actually like it doesn't reflect anyone's views a lot of the time.

Chris Williamson 35:41 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 35:41 Like, and if, if it really does and you're-

Jonny 35:43 (laughs)

Yusef 35:43 ... a true homophobe, then all the power to you 'cause you're being as authentic as, (laughs) as possible, I guess.

Chris Williamson 35:47 Yeah, true. You're living with, living with virtue, but you're gonna get lynched by some guys who-

Jonny 35:50 Even then, it's not really still being used correctly.

Yusef 35:52 (laughs)

Jonny 35:53 So like-

Chris Williamson 35:53 Actually yeah, you're right. If nothing else, what we're doing here is correcting the use-

Jonny 35:58 I feel like after that, to say it like, "That cock is gay." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:58 Correcting the use, correcting the use of the word. Like if there's some homosexual squirrels and you go, "That's gay."

Jonny 36:03 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 36:04 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:06 Correct.

Jonny 36:06 I mean, good. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:07 Yeah.

Yusef 36:08 Correct.

Chris Williamson 36:09 Stalking. Pick-

Jonny 36:10 (laughs)

Yusef 36:11 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:11 ... dick to dick. Right, come on. What's next?

Yusef 36:12 We, we needed a gay man on the podcast for some-

Chris Williamson 36:14 What's... I'm still searching for one. I was gonna use my hairdresser, but he went to-

Yusef 36:17 What was it before? I can't remem- oh.

Chris Williamson 36:18 To work out if you're a bummer or a bummy.

Jonny 36:19 Uh, someone replied, didn't they? I'm sure we had a message about it.

Chris Williamson 36:23 I didn't.

Yusef 36:24 Someone saying, "I'll come on the podcast."

Chris Williamson 36:27 I think we maybe had a message.

Yusef 36:29 Ah.

Chris Williamson 36:29 Someone giving us an answer. I can't remember for you.

Yusef 36:31 Oh, true. Uh, right. Next, Scoldly. Is it your turn?

Chris Williamson 36:33 Sí. Sí.

Yusef 36:34 Okay. So, mine is digital is not always better. And I think this is because, like, since we're all so far down the life hack rabbit hole, it's easy to think that, like, if we get the smart light bulb and the smart lock and all this stuff, like, maybe just me, like, I always think, "Oh, great, it's a new development." Now, I saw a smart lock that was $100 to buy, clearly millions of pounds of research went into it.

Chris Williamson 37:01 Why, why dollars?

Yusef 37:03 Uh, it's like an American company, like on one of those f- starter, kickstarter fund things.

Chris Williamson 37:07 Oh, right. Mm-hmm.

Yusef 37:08 Millions of pounds of research into it, and this guy, he was just like a handyman, did a video about it. And he was like, "Right, so I'm gonna look at this lock. It's got a fingerprint sensor here. It's got a really, like special encrypted lock mechanism and whatever." And he was like, "Right, let's just turn it over." And the back, he w- he just with a, with like a, a sleeve and a little sticky, little bit of Sellotape or something, he just twisted the back and it came off. And then there was a sin- single screw, unscrewed it, the battery was there. Pulled out the battery and the thing just unlocked.

Chris Williamson 37:38 (laughs)

Yusef 37:38 And he's like-

Chris Williamson 37:39 Fuck. (laughs)

Yusef 37:40 And he's like, "Right, so, um, this is very secure from the front, but uh-"

Chris Williamson 37:43 If anyone gets it off, you're fucked.

Yusef 37:44 ... "you can literally just twist it off." He's like, "This wouldn't require any equipment apart from a screwdriver." And so-

Chris Williamson 37:50 Surely for it to come off though, it's no longer on the door. In which case, how is unlocking it gonna-

Yusef 37:55 So it's like a padlock that you can-

Chris Williamson 37:57 Oh, right.

Yusef 37:58 ... can flip up. So it's really non-secure. I think, I think the, the, the core, the, uh, core value of what you're talking about here is that we always presume that newest is best. Yep.

Chris Williamson 38:06 And the, uh, reading guide that's available on fs.blog, which is the Farnam Street blog I'm currently addicted to, thank you very much George McGill, um, on that, they talk about people never want to read books that are more than 10 years old. It's like, well, the classics are classics for a reason.

Yusef 38:24 Mm-hmm. They've lasted hundreds of years. Marcus, yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:25 Like if, if Marcus Aurelius' Meditations have existed for thousands of years, why do you think people still read them?

Yusef 38:30 I'm reading that now actually.

Chris Williamson 38:31 Unbelievable.

Yusef 38:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:32 Like, you know, the, and the same with fiction. People think that th- the, what's shinier and has the most clickbait-y title is always what's best.

Yusef 38:43 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 38:43 Like, n- there's tried and tested solutions. That's not to say like, "Oh, well, horses have been around for ages, therefore we don't need cars."

Yusef 38:52 Mm-hmm. I wonder whether part of that's the effort thing that like, you see, if now that people know how to tap into our like, "Oh, top five tips to whatever, to be productive." And you're like, "Oh, well I'll read that rather than like sit and read some hard book because it's older and it's, it's more difficult to, to penetrate." Uh-

Chris Williamson 39:07 Uh, definitely for me, I didn't enjoy or I found it more difficult to relate David Allen's Getting Things Done to nowadays because he's talking about PAGES and Filofaxes and stuff.

Yusef 39:19 So he-

Chris Williamson 39:19 And I'm like, "No, no, I need this optimized for Evernote and iCloud and he's done it-"

Yusef 39:24 I suppose there, y- oh, really? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:26 Where is it on Getting Things d- they have a membership website. In fact, you know what? I'm gonna wait. I'll talk about that in a moment.

Yusef 39:32 Okay. So- (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:34 It's fully-

Yusef 39:34 Just on, on the digital is not always better thing.

Chris Williamson 39:37 ... very exciting.

Yusef 39:37 Um, I got a couple of smart light bulbs after-

Chris Williamson 39:40 (laughs)

Yusef 39:40 ... one of our friends was, was raving about the Philips Hue. He's like, "Oh, mate, it's excellent. I drive into my house, my garage door opens, and then the lights come on in sequence, and my kettle comes on. And then like these, um... I get kicked out of my mattress in these trousers. I get put into the trousers and then the toaster comes up and the jam and the-"

Chris Williamson 39:55 And then my dog called Gromit puts on the wrong trousers-

Yusef 39:57 Yeah. "It's the wrong trousers."

Chris Williamson 40:00 ... and then I go to the move. (laughs)

Yusef 40:01 Um, and so I, I got a cheap version. But now it's-

Chris Williamson 40:03 No, no. You've bypassed very, very quickly-

Yusef 40:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 40:07 ... there, the key issue.

Yusef 40:10 Which is that I got the cheap version?

Chris Williamson 40:11 Yes.

Yusef 40:12 D- I did, but it wouldn't be any... My, the problem I'm gonna describe would be no different with any of these more expensive ones. And that is that it renders your light switch redundant because all the light switch does is activate the wifi. And so if you switch it off, you've turned off the smart function. If you turn it on, you then have to go and find your phone for wherever, from whenever, wherever it is in the house, scroll to the app, open the app, wait for it to connect, turn off the light or turn on the light. So, if anything, it makes turning on or off a light so many more steps.

Chris Williamson 40:44 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 40:44 Every little room.

Chris Williamson 40:44 I went into your room yesterday.

Yusef 40:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 40:47 Clicked the light.

Yusef 40:48 Yeah, but you have to turn it off, then on, then off and on again for it to work as a normal light. So-

Chris Williamson 40:53 Jesus Christ.

Yusef 40:54 So, so like and same with my microwave. I've got a analog microwave that you just twist the thing, and it goes bing.

Chris Williamson 41:00 Yeah.

Yusef 41:01 Absolutely great, like so when I'm using the microbags, put it in, just turn it a bit.

Chris Williamson 41:05 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 41:05 Rather than having to faff around with like defrost mode and putting the number of minutes, and it's like if you want just the minimum number of, so like the same padlock, light switch, I'm sure there are other examples.

Chris Williamson 41:16 I think this is, I think this is why progress, especially technologically, occurs in large jumps.

Yusef 41:23 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 41:23 And the incremental changes that occur in between them are really people just repackaging shit that already exists.

Yusef 41:29 So you heard about the Bluetooth salt shaker?

Chris Williamson 41:32 (laughs)

Yusef 41:33 And I, I, I don't know what, what it needs, like what function it, they've done, but someone's gone, "Oh, Bluetooth is a thing. Let's just put it in a salt shaker." And you're like-

Chris Williamson 41:42 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 41:43 ... "It's gonna be five times the price. It's gonna break, and you have to have a device to sync it with."

Chris Williamson 41:48 So I, I, like the way that I feel about the smart bulbs thing, and I, I, I've seen them in the Apple Shop for, been around for a while, and I've always looked at it and thought like, "What? Like what is that solving for people?"

Yusef 41:58 'Cause ultimately, you want a bulb to be on or off, don't you?

Chris Williamson 42:01 Yeah, I know.

Yusef 42:01 And the, the thing that's been, that's given me the most value, and I, I, I get so excited when it happens every time is-

Chris Williamson 42:06 A bit passive.

Yusef 42:07 ... is just a physical plug timer, you know, the old school... Like you-

Chris Williamson 42:10 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 42:10 ... you set the time, plug it in, and then when it gets dark, the lights just come on on their own. And it's like, that was like a two pound thing that you just plug your light into.

Chris Williamson 42:19 So someone, someone may disagree. I'm gonna, I can think of a number of viewers who will disagree. But for me, smart homes at the moment are just everybody wants to have some Elon Musk 3018-... fucking, like, uh, glass, infinity glass everywhere, controlled, like, equilibrium. Have you seen Equilibrium?

Jonny 42:42 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 42:43 Like, like that. That's what they want. And you're like, "No, it's not." Like all that your Alexa can do is fucking save things to your notes with misspelled words in-

Jonny 42:51 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 42:51 ... or like add shit to a shopping cart.

Jonny 42:52 Or play Spotify, or, you know-

Chris Williamson 42:54 Yeah. It's, it's bollocks. Like, th- the technology is so far behind what we need. One of the things that I know Philips Hue does, you can have, in your room, you can have the lights hooked up to your TV and when stuff happens on your TV, it'll f- move the light. So let's say a car's coming towards you, it's a blue car, it'll make blue go around the room.

Jonny 43:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 43:14 Okay, cool. That's quite a-

Jonny 43:15 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 43:15 ... kind of-

Yusef 43:16 It's an epi-

Chris Williamson 43:16 ... interesting cinematic, uh-

Yusef 43:17 It's an epileptic's wet dream, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 43:19 (laughs)

Yusef 43:19 Like, it's just such a-

Jonny 43:20 (laughs)

Yusef 43:21 ... like-

Jonny 43:22 Well, it's, it's nice. It's not necessary. And like, I think the point of smart home is it's, you're removing-

Chris Williamson 43:26 It should make it easier.

Yusef 43:27 I think it'd be distracting.

Jonny 43:28 Yeah.

Yusef 43:28 Like, you, you know when you're cuddling up and like you've got the, the nice synthetic blanket on.

Jonny 43:32 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 43:32 And you just want to have a peaceful evening.

Jonny 43:34 And s- and you think the police are outside.

Chris Williamson 43:35 Yeah.

Yusef 43:36 Yeah.

Jonny 43:36 Because your lights are flashing.

Chris Williamson 43:36 Darren got a Nest home thing for th- ther- thermostat because he was like, "Oh, well, you know, apparently it learns-"

Yusef 43:42 Oh, he got the hub?

Jonny 43:43 Careful, 'cause you don't wanna-

Chris Williamson 43:44 Maybe, I don't know. I don't know what he got.

Jonny 43:45 ... you running out of Nest supporters here.

Chris Williamson 43:46 No.

Jonny 43:46 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 43:48 So he got a, he got a thing and he was like, uh, "Yeah, so it learns when you're at home and it turns it up and turns it off and it's supposed to make it..." And he's like, "But because I don't have a routinized life, I'm getting in and the house is fucking freezing from work."

Jonny 43:59 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 43:59 Oh, okay.

Chris Williamson 43:59 "And I'm getting back and it's not that and it thinks it's learning." He was like, "I've just turned it off." He's gotten to the stage now where he's using what my mum and dad use, which is the switch on the front of the boiler.

Jonny 44:10 Wow.

Yusef 44:10 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:10 You know, the one that's inside the timer.

Jonny 44:12 It's going straight to the mainframe and-

Chris Williamson 44:14 Oh, yeah. He's bypassed everything.

Jonny 44:16 Wow.

Chris Williamson 44:16 So yeah.

Jonny 44:17 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:17 I think you'd... Like, technology isn't always bad and it's a real-

Jonny 44:21 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:21 ... a real nice one.

Yusef 44:21 Sometimes it is, but, yeah. Like, it just doesn't need to be-

Chris Williamson 44:23 It just needs to be fucking selective.

Yusef 44:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 44:26 Like if you're buying a s- anything smart for your home, I think you need probably at least twice the scrutiny, if not more.

Yusef 44:33 And just like have a problem that you want it to solve.

Chris Williamson 44:34 Yeah.

Yusef 44:35 Don't just think like-

Jonny 44:35 Yeah.

Yusef 44:36 And the mistake that I had with the light bulbs is there was no problem I was trying to solve. I just thought-

Jonny 44:39 It's just exciting.

Chris Williamson 44:40 Ocham's razor.

Jonny 44:41 Mm-hmm. So an example is, is a coffee machine. Like that's not complex.

Chris Williamson 44:45 You want a coffee in the morning.

Jonny 44:45 It solves a problem.

Yusef 44:46 And so-

Jonny 44:46 Or it makes something that I already do a little bit quicker.

Chris Williamson 44:48 It's the most direct route-

Jonny 44:50 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 44:50 ... between that which-

Jonny 44:51 Not like, 'cause so, so the person who recommended (laughs) you said got all this stuff, it's Ben. If Ben's watching, this is all your fault.

Chris Williamson 44:58 (laughs)

Jonny 44:58 He- he-

Chris Williamson 44:58 Fucking Ben.

Jonny 44:58 ... he was getting excited because Nespresso had released a wifi coffee machine. And I was like, "Okay, but what are you gonna do, what are you gonna use that for?"

Chris Williamson 45:06 Is it so you can, like, s- flick it on from when you're away?

Jonny 45:08 Yeah. But like-

Yusef 45:09 So Benny had the same thing, got a wifi kettle, and he's like, "Well, I still have to fill up the kettle."

Jonny 45:13 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:14 (laughs)

Yusef 45:15 (laughs)

Jonny 45:15 Precisely. So like, there's still... And also, like-

Chris Williamson 45:18 (laughs)

Jonny 45:19 ... how, how, how fine-tuned is everybody's life where, like, the minute that would, you would take to go and press the kettle on-

Chris Williamson 45:27 So here's-

Jonny 45:27 ... you can't, you can't give that up anymore.

Chris Williamson 45:29 You cannot waste it.

Yusef 45:29 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:29 I think for a lot of the people that are gonna be watching who are potentially, uh, obsessive optimizers-

Jonny 45:37 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 45:37 ... of which I guess we broadly fall into categories to one degree or another-

Jonny 45:41 Right.

Chris Williamson 45:41 ... you need to look at, "Am I, am I avoiding the hard, but important stuff-"

Jonny 45:49 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:49 ... to just tack something onto the side?"

Jonny 45:51 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:51 Like if you're sitting in bed looking at your phone for 15 minutes before you get up on a morning, like what the fuck's your wifi kettle doing?

Jonny 45:59 Exactly. Exactly.

Chris Williamson 46:00 That is-

Jonny 46:01 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:01 That is lame.

Yusef 46:03 Yeah.

Jonny 46:03 I feel that way about so many... It's like people, it's like when someone's obsessing about saving money on a purchase and then they, like, spend 40 quid-

Chris Williamson 46:10 Blowing it on.

Jonny 46:10 ... on a night out.

Chris Williamson 46:11 Yeah.

Jonny 46:11 They're like-

Yusef 46:11 Or they're paying-

Chris Williamson 46:12 What do you do?

Yusef 46:12 ... hundreds of pounds of interest on credit cards every month.

Jonny 46:14 Yeah. But they're like, but they're like-

Chris Williamson 46:16 And you're like-

Yusef 46:16 ... "Oh, I don't buy lattes."

Chris Williamson 46:17 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 46:17 "Like, I don't buy Starbucks coffee 'cause it's a waste of money." It's like you are looking at a tiny piece of a puzzle that is cracking and broken and like...

Chris Williamson 46:24 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 46:25 But it's-

Yusef 46:25 So it's-

Jonny 46:26 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:26 I think that as a, a whole massive topic we probably should cover in an upcoming episode because I've been thinking about it an awful lot recently. I've been reflecting on trying to do the basics just really, really well.

Jonny 46:41 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:41 And that's where you elicit the... Because downstream from the basics, there's a lot more things that go right.

Jonny 46:47 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 46:47 If you don't use your phone in the morning before you do your entire morning routine, you laughing? The rest of your day will go so smoothly.

Jonny 46:56 So I think there's a s- there's a simplicity in, in any field you get to the point where it's like actually all you need to do is this simple thing really well really consistently.

Chris Williamson 47:05 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 47:05 We were speaking about this with productivity how there's an article from Tim Ferriss where he talks about, um, if all you did was work uninterrupted for two to three hours in the morning on the most important thing for you to do that day...

Yusef 47:18 The thing that scares you the most, doesn't it?

Jonny 47:19 You would be like up in the top percentiles of the most productive people in the world.

Chris Williamson 47:23 Totally right.

Jonny 47:23 So you, you don't need like Evernote and, and anything. But you need a list of things, look at it and go, "What's the most important thing on this?"

Chris Williamson 47:28 I'm gonna do it.

Jonny 47:29 I'm gonna do just that for three hours. And it, but like people don't do that because doing the most uncomfortable thing is often like intimidating, difficult, like we procrastinate on it, we don't want to do it. And there's that thing in, in everything like-

Chris Williamson 47:43 Well, we believe that the object that we're going to purchase is going to be the answer to our questions.

Jonny 47:49 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:49 Like it's the exact same reason as to why people believe in fat burning tablets.

Jonny 47:55 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 47:55 Or why this next diet is gonna be the next thing. You're like, no, you just really could do with doing some exercise. How often are you training a week? Oh, well, I, I, I, I, I got in to do a morning walk on Sunday. And you're like, okay, why the fuck are you bothered about a fat burning tablet when you're not training? Like...

Jonny 48:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:14 And the same thing with... I, I fall prey to it all the time. Like the other day I was going to buy s- a new meditation cushion. I'm like...

Yusef 48:22 Oh, the, the-

Chris Williamson 48:23 Not that one.

Yusef 48:23 Okay.

Chris Williamson 48:24 Not the 120 quid one.

Yusef 48:25 For heaven's sake. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 48:26 I said, "Oh, bloody hell." I was gonna get a new meditation cushion. I'm like you don't need a new meditation cushion.

Yusef 48:31 'Cause-

Chris Williamson 48:31 It's not going to help you meditate. And the-

Yusef 48:32 The other one that we're referring to is like $130.

Chris Williamson 48:35 What's it called? Can you remember what it's called?

Yusef 48:36 I can't remember but it's, it's like a, it's a vegan friendly-

Chris Williamson 48:40 Non GMO.

Jonny 48:41 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 48:41 Paleo...

Jonny 48:42 ... gluten-free.

Yusef 48:44 Really clever, though, 'cause they've got a really ni- nice, like, sales page and it's just pretty, uh-

Jonny 48:48 It's just, literally at that point you sit on the floor.

Yusef 48:49 Yeah.

Jonny 48:50 If you're that worried about what

Chris Williamson 48:50 Well, that's, that's what I was like, "I, I can just sit on the floor. I have a floor."

Jonny 48:53 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:53 Like, I don't need any-

Jonny 48:54 When you have a floor, wherever you go. There's always a floor.

Yusef 48:56 Right.

Jonny 48:56 There's always a floor.

Yusef 48:57 There's environmental impact-

Jonny 48:58 Yeah.

Yusef 48:58 ... of making any cushion, isn't there? So a fish-

Chris Williamson 49:00 Unless you're a fish. If you're a fish, you could do without a cushion.

Yusef 49:02 If you're a fish, yeah.

Chris Williamson 49:03 If you're a fish.

Jonny 49:03 It's still technically a floor.

Chris Williamson 49:05 You might not be able to get down, though.

Jonny 49:06 Yeah, that's the trouble.

Yusef 49:08 (laughs)

Jonny 49:08 Make sure there's nowhere to make your ears pop.

Chris Williamson 49:09 There those angular ones.

Jonny 49:10 The things with the, the, the ball, the light ball.

Chris Williamson 49:12 (laughs)

Jonny 49:12 Yeah, and the big teeth. Yeah. Yeah.

Yusef 49:15 So very interested if anyone's watching and they're thinking, like, "Yousuf, you're just not using smart light system correctly." If anyone has-

Jonny 49:21 It's smart.

Chris Williamson 49:21 It's really good.

Jonny 49:21 So I just, so I just looked up on the Philips Hue website, 'cause I thought, like, "I wonder whether-

Yusef 49:25 There's some of them-

Jonny 49:26 ... Philips Hue have thought about it, but i- it says your, your main light switches are redundant with Philips Hue.

Yusef 49:30 Really?

Jonny 49:30 Yeah.

Yusef 49:31 So-

Jonny 49:31 I think they're, they're bringing out smart switches.

Yusef 49:33 Okay. I mean, if, yeah. Like, I'd like to know someone how

Chris Williamson 49:35 So they're replacing the switches with-

Jonny 49:36 Which, which, I mean, the, the irony goes beyond what I think we were able to discuss really.

Chris Williamson 49:40 And the cost goes...

Jonny 49:41 Like, when, when they're like, "Let's make a smart light." "Oh, fuck. Uh, let's make switches we can put on the wall."

Yusef 49:46 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 49:46 Smart switches.

Yusef 49:47 Yeah, that's true. (laughs)

Jonny 49:47 There is, there, I think there is something where you can get paint that you just touch the wall and it turns the light on. Now that I think's fantastic.

Chris Williamson 49:56 So you can tu- turn the light on or off-

Jonny 49:57 So, yeah.

Chris Williamson 49:57 ... anywhere. Like a double-tap, anywhere in the room.

Jonny 49:59 So, so what that's doing is solving a problem. The problem is getting up and turning the light on and off.

Yusef 50:02 Th- so I imagine the paint is three times as expensive. You still have to get three tubs of it.

Jonny 50:08 Well, yeah. Yeah, of course.

Yusef 50:09 And, like, the whole thing, and, I don't know.

Jonny 50:10 But, but it's solving the problem-

Chris Williamson 50:12 But your, but your issue there is-

Jonny 50:12 ... that the Philips Hue is trying to solve.

Yusef 50:14 Yeah.

Jonny 50:14 Which is that it's dif- it's inconvenient sometimes to turn your lights on.

Yusef 50:16 'Cause then you're like-

Chris Williamson 50:16 The difference there is that there's someone for whom that cost is going to be insignificant.

Yusef 50:21 And that's-

Chris Williamson 50:21 And for them, that's okay.

Yusef 50:23 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:23 Whereas for no one, the inconvenience-

Jonny 50:26 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 50:27 ... is acceptable, of the light switch not working.

Yusef 50:30 Yep, true.

Chris Williamson 50:31 There we go. Johnny, you're up. Have you got one?

Jonny 50:33 Yes, I do. Um, and it's r- it's sort of on the s- in the same vein as another book recommendation, um, and it is Happy by Derren Brown.

Chris Williamson 50:43 This is the one where he slates The Secret by Rhonda Byrne, isn't it?

Jonny 50:46 Mm-hmm. He slates a lot of shit. He slates a lot of-

Chris Williamson 50:50 He's a bastard, isn't he?

Jonny 50:50 ... what we speak about on this podcast. And I listened to it on a plane on a, on a way to one of many weddings that I've been to.

Chris Williamson 50:58 That's the reason Johnny hasn't been on the podcast a lot recently.

Jonny 50:59 I've just been stacking weddings. I just love a good wedding, so I've just been going to them. Um-

Chris Williamson 51:03 Can you do wedding hacks?

Jonny 51:05 Probably, yeah.

Yusef 51:06 Well, you, you batched them, didn't you? So...

Jonny 51:07 Not on purpose.

Chris Williamson 51:08 (laughs)

Jonny 51:08 I w- I was actually really grateful for the way that they were batched, but anyway.

Chris Williamson 51:11 Yeah.

Jonny 51:12 Um, so I, I remem- I got on the plane. It's a five hour flight to Cyprus. Listening to Derren Brown's book on 2 times speed.

Chris Williamson 51:19 (laughs)

Jonny 51:19 Got on the plane, like, still, you know, goal focused, productivity focused. Got off the plane thinking, "I'm not sure there's any point."

Chris Williamson 51:27 (laughs)

Jonny 51:27 Honestly. It is-

Chris Williamson 51:28 Can you give us a synopsis?

Jonny 51:30 So he, he speaks a lot about, um, he uses conce- borrows concepts from a lot of people. He borrows a lot of concepts from the Sto- S- Stoicism, um, borrows some concepts from, like, Thinking Fast and Slow and Predictably Irrational. But basically, that we are always just constructing a reality to try and create happiness. But happiness is never something that we'll arrive at, and it's, it's all, it's more about the experience than the process. So he rubbishes a lot of goal setting. And stuff that, I remember th- starting, even starting going into it thinking, "I, I, I feel like from the amount of reading I've done on this, I've got a pretty well-informed opinion."

Chris Williamson 52:06 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 52:07 And I was like, "You know what? He's, he's right." Like, it's-

Chris Williamson 52:10 He just, he just Trojan horsed you.

Jonny 52:11 Yeah. 'Cause he, he's clearly, uh, for anyone who follows Derren Brown, like, he's clearly a very intelligent man who's taken the concept of happiness and thought, "I'm gonna really dig into this."

Yusef 52:20 He's gonna Steamroller off and just-

Jonny 52:21 And he's gone, he's dug up lots of, of concepts from lots of different places. Um, and I think really it comes back to... So he talks about how you can be convinced to believe anything, which is the, the, the crux of, of-

Chris Williamson 52:33 Oh, he does, right?

Jonny 52:33 ... all of his work. Yeah, so he's like, "I've convinced p- people to believe that they've been-"

Chris Williamson 52:37 Zombie apocalypse.

Jonny 52:38 Exactly. Um, so with that you can also be convinced that you are or aren't happy by a series of stories or thoughts you believe, um, and that goal setting or chasing something, you're convincing yourself during that process that you will be happy when it happens.

Chris Williamson 52:55 Yeah.

Jonny 52:55 But you never are. So I would read the book. If you've got Audible, that's how I always listen to it.

Chris Williamson 53:00 That's interesting. It sounds like, it sounds... Obviously I haven't read it, but it sounds a lot to me like, um, the argument to hedonic adaptation, which is, "This object is going to give me fulfillment." You, what we are doing with the goal setting is just replacing-

Jonny 53:15 Or you-

Chris Williamson 53:15 ... the object with the goal.

Jonny 53:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:17 However, the difference that I think there is that when you break goals down into targets that are daily targets, you get a different sense of fulfillment from overcoming an obstacle.

Jonny 53:27 Definitely, yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:28 Like, you don't get a sense of fulfillment from saving £10 towards the car.

Jonny 53:34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:36 But the steps are more granular, so you make-

Jonny 53:37 Feeling like you're moving, feeling like you're making progress and moving forward, yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:40 And over- overcoming, um, and having adversity and getting past it, I think is a core tenet of what makes human life quite worthwhile.

Jonny 53:48 There's something that, um, a guy called Tim Urban, who writes a, a blog called Wait But Why?, which is also fantastic.

Chris Williamson 53:55 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 53:55 But he talks about happiness as being, like, like nailing a Tuesday.

Chris Williamson 54:00 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:00 And like, not, I think most people live their lives in a way of like, "I will be happy in... Like, I will be happy on Friday night."

Chris Williamson 54:08 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:08 "I will be happy when I'm on holiday. I will be happy when I've had a promotion," rather than like, "Today was mint, and like tomorrow's going to be class as well."

Chris Williamson 54:16 Remember when that was one of the names for this podcast before I did it? It was going to be called Crushing It Tu-

Jonny 54:20 Crushing It Tuesday.

Chris Williamson 54:20 ... Crushing It Tuesday.

Jonny 54:21 Or, do I have to go and get Lex?

Chris Williamson 54:23 (laughs)

Jonny 54:24 Do I need to... And well, if anyone wants to know the reason for that, they can send us a message.

Chris Williamson 54:27 We can do a full podcast on why we need to go and get Lex.

Jonny 54:30 (laughs) We always do.

Chris Williamson 54:31 So, um-

Jonny 54:31 So yeah, read Derren Brown, Happy, and check out Wait But Why? by Tim Urban.

Chris Williamson 54:35 Fantastic.

Jonny 54:36 Fantastic.

Chris Williamson 54:36 Uh, I'm gonna do a couple. We haven't done Dropbox. We haven't done Dropbox. So you-If you don't know what Dropbox is, it is a cloud-based file storage system.

Jonny 54:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 54:48 There's a number of ways that you can do that. Apple have got one built in. Uh, Amazon even have one. So I opened up a f- a Kindle Fire, and I-

Jonny 54:55 AWS. Is that what you mean?

Chris Williamson 54:58 Is it-

Jonny 54:59 Amazon Web Services.

Chris Williamson 55:00 Is that what it is?

Jonny 55:00 Well, so AWS is, like, the hub, the beast of, like ... I, I, I, I didn't realize it. It... Let's not talk about it, it's too complicated.

Yusef 55:10 (laughs) Okay.

Jonny 55:10 Honestly.

Yusef 55:11 It's like the, the veins of the world-

Chris Williamson 55:13 (laughs)

Yusef 55:13 ... running underneath us.

Jonny 55:14 So most, most things that you interact with that's a file is probably on AWS.

Chris Williamson 55:18 Bloody hell. Okay, so-

Jonny 55:20 Mm-hmm. Just Jeff Bezos in the center of it all.

Chris Williamson 55:22 Anyway, Dropbox is, um, a cloud-

Jonny 55:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 55:24 ... a cloud-based, uh, file hosting service. But the difference is that if you've got it on ... Uh, uh, uh, do they have a m- ... What's funny? (laughs)

Yusef 55:32 I'm just convinced that Dropbox and the other two were on one of the previous podcasts.

Jonny 55:38 (laughs) Oh, right. So-

Chris Williamson 55:38 Maybe it's not.

Yusef 55:39 If there's anyone who listens ardently to the Livebox-

Chris Williamson 55:42 I've got them written down, in show notes.

Yusef 55:43 You, well, you've got all the ones that we cover from each one?

Jonny 55:45 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 55:45 Yes, fine.

Jonny 55:46 What I was laughing at-

Chris Williamson 55:46 Dropbox hasn't been in there.

Jonny 55:48 ... was that any ... As soon as we move onto this screen, Yusef will have, like, onto a laptop, there'll be a very good reason why Yusef does or doesn't do anything.

Chris Williamson 55:59 Yeah.

Jonny 56:00 And so, I know-

Yusef 56:01 But you use Dropbox.

Jonny 56:02 Like, but using a laptop. The use of a laptop is the-

Chris Williamson 56:04 We're in, we're in your domain. We're in your domain now.

Jonny 56:06 Like, this is where-

Chris Williamson 56:06 We've stepped into your lair.

Jonny 56:07 Like, this is the ... is one of the most optimized pieces of technology I've ever seen in my life. And, like, I know you don't pay for Dropbox.

Chris Williamson 56:13 But I'm basically, I don't have a code. I don't pay for Dropbox.

Jonny 56:16 Yep, you, right. But, but you, you, you use-

Chris Williamson 56:18 If I knew how to code, I, I, I feel like I should probably sit and learn how to do it, 'cause it would help optimize things a lot more.

Jonny 56:23 But you still get a lot out of, like, the user interface that Apple provide.

Chris Williamson 56:27 Oh, I see, yeah.

Jonny 56:28 You'll absolutely ... What?

Chris Williamson 56:30 Nothing, I'm just waiting.

Jonny 56:31 (laughs)

Yusef 56:32 (laughs)

Jonny 56:36 I suppose this was Chris's light back. And now he and I are just having a chat about when he'll fucking start paying for Dropbox. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 56:45 Well, yeah, so that, that's where it was gonna run to, I suppose.

Jonny 56:46 But there's ... You have a very good reason for that, which is, which is because you have a system that's very holistic.

Chris Williamson 56:51 Most people, most people don't have a system that's as efficient as yours.

Jonny 56:55 I see.

Chris Williamson 56:56 The reason-

Jonny 56:56 He's doing a webinar.

Chris Williamson 56:57 The reason that Dropbox is ...

Jonny 56:58 Go and do a webinar on it.

Chris Williamson 56:59 Do a webby.

Jonny 56:59 He's doing a webinar on laptop ... What, what's it-

Yusef 57:01 On Alfred.

Chris Williamson 57:02 Just pure-

Jonny 57:03 Just done Alfred?

Yusef 57:04 Yeah, because I, I think that the laptop optimization is a whole other webinar, I think. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:07 That's volumes of ... That's tomes of books, isn't it? This is-

Jonny 57:10 That's a, that's a university curriculum. It's a degree. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:13 So-

Yusef 57:13 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 57:14 Um.

Jonny 57:15 Right.

Chris Williamson 57:15 The reason that you need Dropbox mostly is not because of the fact that it's able to, uh, host files online. It's the integration and how seamless it is.

Jonny 57:23 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 57:23 So if you download the app for your Mac, you have all ... I'm gonna guess there's an equivalent on Windows. If you're on Windows, get off.

Jonny 57:29 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:30 Exit now.

Jonny 57:31 Get off the podcast.

Chris Williamson 57:32 (laughs) Yeah, just fuck off, will you?

Jonny 57:34 Get off.

Chris Williamson 57:35 You are ... This is not for you. Um, Dropbox for Mac makes all of your files inhabit a native folder on Finder. So you can browse them as if they're files on your computer, which they are, but then the app on your phone also does the same thing. So it's a much more natural way of browsing through your files. What are you grinning about?

Jonny 57:58 I'm just waiting. Oh, here it is. This is what I meant.

Chris Williamson 58:01 (laughs)

Jonny 58:01 (laughs)

Yusef 58:01 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:01 It, it feels an awful lot like ... Have you ever seen in volleyball, what's the thing before the spike? You know, like they'll have them by the net?

Jonny 58:08 It's like the layup. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 58:09 It's ... Layup, yeah.

Jonny 58:10 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 58:10 It's like, "I've just done this," and you're coming in.

Jonny 58:12 He's just been running over.

Yusef 58:13 Well, so I, I was ready to pay, um, like f-

Chris Williamson 58:17 £10.

Yusef 58:17 ... £50 to £80 a month for Dropbox when they launched Dropbox Infinity, or they were going to.

Chris Williamson 58:22 Yep.

Yusef 58:23 And then they redacted it because it mustn't have fit with the, like, file architecture of Mac.

Jonny 58:27 If Dropbox would, would bring out Infinity and if WhatsApp would bring out WhatsApp Business for iOS-

Yusef 58:32 Oh.

Jonny 58:32 ... you'd make him the happiest man.

Yusef 58:34 And probably the poorest man as well.

Jonny 58:36 (laughs)

Yusef 58:36 He'd instantly just go for the d-

Jonny 58:38 So, so the Infinity-

Yusef 58:38 So the Dropbox Infinity is the same as what Chris is describing, but-

Jonny 58:41 It's everything.

Yusef 58:42 Yeah, your entire laptop.

Jonny 58:42 So your laptop would be Dropbox.

Chris Williamson 58:43 But it's, it's, it's the, the key things that you need. So for instance, all of the audio files I have, as soon as I bounce them down and I master them, I put them in one-

Yusef 58:51 Master them?

Chris Williamson 58:52 Master. Put them in one folder, video guy Dean has got access to that, and we don't even ... I don't even need to email him. Everything's put on there. Um, if you want to sign up to Dropbox, there will be a link in the show notes below. You'll get 500 megabytes of extra space, as will I, thank you very much, 'cause I need it. But you should, you should download it and you should have a crack. Download the app. The app for iOS is really slick. You can browse through things and you don't have to save stuff. You can preview files, preview video, preview sound. It's good. It's good for you. You should-

Jonny 59:24 Also, like, so I, I do pay for Dropbox. Do you pay for Dropbox, Chris?

Chris Williamson 59:27 No.

Jonny 59:27 No. Um, I get a terabyte of storage for £8 a month.

Yusef 59:32 Fuck.

Jonny 59:33 And I think that's pretty bloody good, like-

Yusef 59:34 I think you're gonna sell Chris on it soon and then you'll both bully me into-

Chris Williamson 59:37 Yeah, you'll get it.

Jonny 59:38 But you're ... You don't, you don't need it.

Yusef 59:40 Whatever.

Jonny 59:40 Like, you, you probably have four instances a month where it's like, if you had Dropbox-

Chris Williamson 59:44 It'd make it easier.

Jonny 59:45 And you would ... Like, I, I'll use ... I'll be terrible with it. Like, I'll be under-utilizing it and-

Yusef 59:49 Oh, I see.

Jonny 59:50 But, like, you would, you would, you would set up a little, like, an ecosystem and it wouldn't need-

Chris Williamson 59:55 So let me, let me give you a really good example of how we use it for our business, right? So, um, we have all of our artwork that all of the managers need and the best of the albums from each week that get updated.

Jonny 1:00:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:00:08 So I'll put the artwork in. The guy that's doing ... That's vetting the album from the night before will save good photos in there as well. And all of the managers have got access to it on their phones, so when they need to do a social media post, all they do is just go in and everything is as current as it needs to be. I've put the most recent artwork in. No one ever needs to ask, "Oh, where's the, where's the flyer for last, for this week?" No one ever needs to ask, "Oh, I need a photo for this new Instagram post."

Jonny 1:00:33 It's just in there.

Chris Williamson 1:00:34 So the guys that do social get fed from the backend from the guys that are doing the post-sale service, and I get the artwork that comes in from the designer, and yeah, it's, it's brilliant.

Jonny 1:00:44 Any collaboration with big files, like we, we do all of our podcast with-... with Dropbox.

Chris Williamson 1:00:49 It shits all over WeTransfer and stuff like that.

Jonny 1:00:51 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:51 Like, who the fuck's using ... WeTransfer's just a big email.

Yusef 1:00:55 Yeah, it is a big email.

Jonny 1:00:56 (laughs)

Yusef 1:00:56 Like, it, it's good for a one-off and that purpose.

Chris Williamson 1:00:58 It feels purpose.

Jonny 1:00:58 Yeah.

Yusef 1:00:58 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:58 What, like, 10 gig of you need to shift, like, a, a two-gigabyte by 10-gigabyte file or something.

Jonny 1:01:02 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:01:03 Yeah, fine.

Jonny 1:01:03 Dropbox is also fast. Like, faster than-

Chris Williamson 1:01:05 It's fucking rapid.

Jonny 1:01:06 Like, if you want to put a video somewhere that someone else can get it, like, it's the fa- at least for me, it's the fastest.

Chris Williamson 1:01:10 And it's private.

Jonny 1:01:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:11 Do you know what I mean? Without the link, no one else can get it.

Jonny 1:01:14 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:01:14 Unbelievable.

Yusef 1:01:16 So I, I use Box Sync as well, which gives you 50 gig free.

Chris Williamson 1:01:20 Yemen. Yemen.

Yusef 1:01:21 Uh, Yemen. It's, it's the same as Dropbox, but yeah, gives you 50 gig free.

Chris Williamson 1:01:24 But is it?

Yusef 1:01:25 Uh.

Jonny 1:01:25 Their server's in the Gaza Strip and so the, the Silicon Valley-

Yusef 1:01:28 You guys just don't trust the normal internet businesses.

Jonny 1:01:33 (laughing) So there's something that ... So we were looking at installing, um, a bot, like a support function on our website the other day. And this is a ... The skill that Yousef has is, like, I, I would just pay for the most expensive thing.

Chris Williamson 1:01:47 Yeah.

Jonny 1:01:47 Like, I just see, like-

Chris Williamson 1:01:48 What does everyone use?

Jonny 1:01:48 ... "What's everyone using? Let's just pay for that."

Chris Williamson 1:01:50 Presumably.

Jonny 1:01:50 And Yousef will always find, like, a, a cheaper equivalent. A better ... And it's, it's probably-

Chris Williamson 1:01:56 No.

Jonny 1:01:56 ... it's exactly the-

Chris Williamson 1:01:57 It's not. Do you remember when Ben Harrison was thinking about getting a pair of AirPods-

Jonny 1:02:02 (laughs)

Yusef 1:02:03 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:02:03 ... and said, and said, "I'm thinking about getting a pair of AirPods." And you replied, "Try mine." And Johnny said, "Oh, have you, have you bought a pair of AirPods?"

Jonny 1:02:11 I was, I was nearly brought to tears.

Chris Williamson 1:02:13 Oh, yeah.

Jonny 1:02:13 When I thought you-

Chris Williamson 1:02:13 And you went, and you went-

Jonny 1:02:14 I thought, "You've bought AirPods and you've not, and you've not told me."

Yusef 1:02:17 Oh, man.

Chris Williamson 1:02:17 And you went, "No."

Yusef 1:02:18 Don't worry.

Chris Williamson 1:02:18 "I haven't. You bought some £5 Bluetooth ones that don't work, can't connect, no battery life."

Yusef 1:02:25 See, th- this is all fabrication. They work, they connect-

Chris Williamson 1:02:28 (laughs)

Yusef 1:02:29 ... they have battery.

Jonny 1:02:30 (laughs) It's because the thing-

Yusef 1:02:31 I don't have to carry a stupid little dental floss container around with me as well. They can just, like-

Jonny 1:02:34 So, so Chris and I get value, get increased value beyond the value of the thing from it being the thing.

Yusef 1:02:39 Because it looks like you have a tampon in your ear.

Jonny 1:02:41 From it, from it being the ... Someone commented on one of my videos saying, "Why does he have tab ends in his ears?" Like-

Chris Williamson 1:02:45 It does look like an Oral-B toothbrush end.

Jonny 1:02:48 So, like, I, I definitely get value from, like, knowing that I've got the Apple version.

Yusef 1:02:53 Yeah.

Jonny 1:02:53 Like, but I think you get more value from it being a deal, from it being good value.

Yusef 1:02:57 Possibly. I, I mean, also I, I just didn't have £150 to spend on-

Jonny 1:03:00 No.

Yusef 1:03:01 ... like, a headphone. I thought like, "I'll-"

Jonny 1:03:02 But if you did, would you have done in general?

Yusef 1:03:04 If I did, I would, yeah.

Jonny 1:03:04 Fair enough.

Yusef 1:03:05 Like-

Jonny 1:03:05 I mean, that's about as big of an accolade as you can give anything that we-

Yusef 1:03:08 (laughs) But if, so if there's like, there's a lot of things that if I had the money I would do, so.

Jonny 1:03:11 I think the p- the principle-

Yusef 1:03:12 But I think like-

Jonny 1:03:12 ... you still operate in though is, like, what does it do? Can I achieve the same thing for less?

Yusef 1:03:17 Yeah.

Jonny 1:03:17 And you would get a lot more value from that.

Yusef 1:03:19 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 1:03:20 And I think that's your, your skill is finding that thing and most people don't shop around.

Yusef 1:03:23 And like if, if it's 10% cheaper, I'll just go for the Apple one. But th- this was £15.

Jonny 1:03:27 Yeah.

Yusef 1:03:28 And so I feel like-

Chris Williamson 1:03:28 Convenience, convenience and, uh, expediting whatever the process is, I think is where me and you come in.

Jonny 1:03:34 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:03:34 Where ... And that's our, our core satisfaction comes from this process being as effective and as efficient as possible.

Jonny 1:03:42 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:03:42 Whereas yours is as discounted as possible.

Jonny 1:03:45 I'm definitely, though, like, I'm basic bitch when it comes to like ... So like, you have the best bank account. Like even stuff like Alfred is the result of you searching and searching and searching for a solution and finding something.

Chris Williamson 1:03:58 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:03:58 I waste a lot of time searching, sure.

Jonny 1:04:00 But you get the gems, don't you?

Yusef 1:04:01 I get the gems and I, and I hope that like collectively we share the gems to you guys because-

Jonny 1:04:06 Mm-hmm. That's the point of Lifehacks.

Yusef 1:04:07 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:04:07 Yeah. Crowdsource your personal growth.

Jonny 1:04:10 Can we talk ... You've done one, you've just done Dropbox.

Yusef 1:04:12 I've just done one.

Jonny 1:04:13 Done with Dropbox?

Yusef 1:04:14 Done with Dropbox.

Jonny 1:04:14 Can I piggyback off your focus matrix?

Yusef 1:04:18 Oh yeah. Oh 'cause you ... See you got the top one.

Jonny 1:04:21 So I'm just-

Yusef 1:04:21 The top end.

Jonny 1:04:21 I already had the top one. (laughs) Already have the Pro one.

Yusef 1:04:23 You, you didn't even know that you, you-

Chris Williamson 1:04:24 (laughs)

Jonny 1:04:25 (laughs)

Yusef 1:04:25 So Johnny called me up. I, I was, I was gonna suggest this app that, um ... And Johnny called me up yesterday and was like, "Oh, I didn't realize, but I actually have the premium version already with the bundle for the other one, which syncs with it."

Jonny 1:04:37 So the, the bundle just comes with the Pro.

Chris Williamson 1:04:38 Right.

Jonny 1:04:38 So that'd be why I got it. So I really like the Pomodoro app, which is call- ... I always get it wrong for this.

Chris Williamson 1:04:42 Be Focused Pro.

Jonny 1:04:43 Be Focused Pro. Um, which is brilliant. And this, it's the same company, so they made a sync version.

Yusef 1:04:48 Can you explain Pomodoros as well?

Jonny 1:04:50 Have we talked a bit on that?

Chris Williamson 1:04:51 I went through Pomodoros at length with Dr. Ewan Lawson.

Yusef 1:04:54 Oh.

Jonny 1:04:54 Did you?

Chris Williamson 1:04:55 Yeah, man. He wrote the entire, he wrote his entire contribution to the book The Healthy Writer on Pomodoros. Went back and looked at 120 Pomo- maybe 20?

Jonny 1:05:06 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:06 120 Pomodoros and was able to track exactly what he'd done on each of them.

Jonny 1:05:10 Wow.

Chris Williamson 1:05:10 And he does the 20-20-20 rule, which is every 20 minutes, although it's 25 on a Pomodoro, every 25 minutes he'd stand up, look at something that's 20 feet away for 20 seconds to reset your, um, ocular nerve and your, uh, ocular muscles because it helps you refocus on things, which reduces tension headaches and a whole bunch of others.

Jonny 1:05:28 So the-

Chris Williamson 1:05:28 If you haven't listened to it, it, uh, it's an absolute ballad. Dr. Ewan Lawson.

Jonny 1:05:31 You ... I recommend the Pomodoro book to you, didn't I?

Chris Williamson 1:05:33 Yeah, I'm part of the-

Jonny 1:05:34 Francisco Ce- cerello or whatever he's called.

Chris Williamson 1:05:35 ... the illustrated guide. It's on my, it's on my Kindle.

Jonny 1:05:38 Yeah. So he recommends like basically 25 minutes of work followed by five minutes of like as close to sleep state as you can get.

Chris Williamson 1:05:44 Yep.

Jonny 1:05:44 So when I'm ... If I'm doing it at home, I just do a mini meditation between.

Yusef 1:05:47 That's ... I didn't know about that one. That's cool.

Jonny 1:05:48 You want to try and like absolutely-

Chris Williamson 1:05:50 Turn off.

Jonny 1:05:51 Because the theory is the harder you rest, the more you can keep going with the focused work.

Yusef 1:05:55 That's ... It makes so much sense, but that is, that is bloody cool. I'm gonna write-

Jonny 1:05:58 (laughs)

Yusef 1:05:58 I'm gonna write down 20-20-20 and the-

Jonny 1:06:01 Think ... 'Cause also think how much meditation you, you would accrue across a day.

Yusef 1:06:04 True.

Chris Williamson 1:06:05 It's only five minutes, not a lot.

Jonny 1:06:06 But if you're doing 10 Pomodoros, suddenly it's like y- you're suddenly-

Chris Williamson 1:06:10 Who's doing 10 Pomodoros?

Jonny 1:06:12 Me.

Chris Williamson 1:06:12 You?

Yusef 1:06:13 It's like 50 bonus minutes, isn't it?

Jonny 1:06:14 Yeah, bloody hell. Not in a, not in a streak, but you do like four and then a longer break and then four and then maybe two at the end of the day, something like that.

Chris Williamson 1:06:19 Okay, fair enough.