Life Hacks 107

1. 0:01 – 1:40

   Bathroom hygiene debate & show kickoff banter

   1. JWJonny Watson0:01

      You go into a toilet, go to the toilet, wash your hands, and then open the door.

   2. CWChris Williamson0:04

      I mean, there's an argument that you should be protecting your penis from your hands.

   3. JWJonny Watson0:08

      Y- though, that, that's what I mean. That's what I mean.

   4. YSYusef Smith0:10

      (laughs)

   5. JWJonny Watson0:13

      So ...

   6. CWChris Williamson0:14

      (laughs)

   7. JWJonny Watson0:15

      So I think the way that offices should be managed is in the Pomodoro, the rhythm. So the, the, the five breaks and then a 15, five breaks, then lunch. So ev- everyone should just, at the start of the day, set out, like, these are the tasks I'm gonna do. Once I've done them, I can go home.

   8. CWChris Williamson0:26

      Tasks.

   9. JWJonny Watson0:27

      You should be punished if you, if you are either under-providing tasks or not completing the tasks you've set, and rewarded if you're more productive than other people. 'Cause otherwise, like, what is anybody doing?

   10. CWChris Williamson0:35

       Philips Sunrise Lamp, it's got a very, very low light way of displaying the time at night. And I know this sounds so pernickety, but you don't realize just how much light, like, a normal LCD clock will actually give off.

   11. JWJonny Watson0:48

       Oh, so much.

   12. CWChris Williamson0:49

       Like, if it's a fucking red one, and you're like, it's, this is brighter than it is during the day. Like, if it's all red, you feel like you're in a Tom Clancy movie. (laughs) You know, someone's gonna, like, Rainbow Six your door in.

   13. JWJonny Watson0:58

       (laughs)

   14. CWChris Williamson0:58

       Like, come in with a fucking laser gun. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. It is Life Hacks 107 with Jonathan Watson and Yusuf from propeamfitness.com.

   15. JWJonny Watson1:12

       You never say, "Boys and girls." You always just say, "Ladies and gentlemen."

   16. CWChris Williamson1:16

       Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

   17. JWJonny Watson1:16

       It's 18 plus only. Must be 18 plus to follow.

   18. CWChris Williamson1:19

       Fair enough, fair. Fine.

   19. JWJonny Watson1:20

       This is an adult program for adult people.

   20. CWChris Williamson1:24

       (laughs)

   21. JWJonny Watson1:24

       Uh, so Life Hacks. It's been ages since we've done a Life Hack.

   22. CWChris Williamson1:26

       It has. Nice.

   23. JWJonny Watson1:27

       Welcome back.

   24. CWChris Williamson1:28

       It's been, like, this is the first one of 2019 as well.

   25. JWJonny Watson1:32

       I spoke to someone today on the phone who was, who said they loved Life Hacks, and I s- told them we're recording the next one today.

   26. CWChris Williamson1:38

       Exciting.

   27. JWJonny Watson1:38

       And he was like, "I cannot wait." It's g-

2. 1:40 – 3:41

   Sponsor + listener challenge: submit hacks to win Protein Works products

   1. CWChris Williamson1:40

      It's consistently the best performing in terms of ... I, I think it's just so actionable. Anyway, um, first things first, today's episode is brought to you by TheProteinWorks. If you have a life hack that you want us to try, pop it in the comments below on YouTube. If you are just listening, head to the YouTube channel, search "Modern Wisdom Podcast Life Hacks 107" and put your favorite life hack in the comments below. The best life hack we will trial before the next Life Hacks and do a review on it, and we're going to pick £150 worth of ProteinWorks products that we'll send to you for free. Thank you very much to TheProteinWorks for sponsoring this episode, and I really hope that the best one that gets chosen isn't something weird that we have to do. (laughs)

   2. JWJonny Watson2:24

      But it might be.

   3. CWChris Williamson2:24

      I think you, y- y- you, they should be allowed to say specifically something they want Yusuf to do.

   4. JWJonny Watson2:29

      Okay. If you would like-

   5. CWChris Williamson2:31

      (laughs)

   6. JWJonny Watson2:31

      Okay, we can, we can have that as a, as a little stipulation as well.

   7. CWChris Williamson2:33

      Like, it can either be an all-

   8. JWJonny Watson2:35

      Yep.

   9. CWChris Williamson2:35

      ... to all, or to Yusuf.

   10. JWJonny Watson2:37

       Fine.

   11. CWChris Williamson2:37

       Yeah.

   12. JWJonny Watson2:38

       But-

   13. CWChris Williamson2:39

       (laughs)

   14. JWJonny Watson2:39

       ... pop your life hacks in the comments below.

   15. CWChris Williamson2:40

       We're exciting online bullying here. (laughs)

   16. JWJonny Watson2:42

       And if, and if anyone picks anything terrible and we do it and it wins, you're getting £150 worth of unflavored hydrolyzed whey.

   17. CWChris Williamson2:49

       (laughs)

   18. JWJonny Watson2:51

       (laughs)

   19. CWChris Williamson2:51

       'Cause the only criteria is we pick the supplements-

   20. JWJonny Watson2:54

       Yeah, that's it. (laughs)

   21. CWChris Williamson2:55

       (laughs)

   22. JWJonny Watson2:55

       So be careful-

   23. CWChris Williamson2:56

       Yeah.

   24. JWJonny Watson2:56

       ... what you're picking.

   25. CWChris Williamson2:56

       Pick something good for us. But yes, pop your favorite life hack in the comments below. Like I say, if you're listening, there is a link to the YouTube channel in the show notes. Head there, give us a comment, and yeah, we'll, we'll pick someone. I should say, by the way, hydrolyzed whey, although it's, it's a very rapidly absorbed protein, hydrolysis is digestion. And so it tastes of vomit, and when I say, oh, it ta- and it's not like, "Oh, mate, it tastes of vomit, it's horrible." It actually tastes of vomit, because-

   26. JWJonny Watson3:22

       It is what vomit tastes like.

   27. CWChris Williamson3:24

       Yeah. Yeah.

   28. JWJonny Watson3:24

       It's the same flavor.

   29. CWChris Williamson3:25

       Fine. Right, who is going to go first? Do you want me to hot potato you, Johnny, or ...

   30. JWJonny Watson3:29

       We always do.
3. 3:41 – 12:36

   Life hack: get a dog (happiness, routine, and the real downsides)

   1. CWChris Williamson3:41

      (laughs) "Who are you?"

   2. JWJonny Watson3:41

      He got, he got the guy on the podcast. So, uh, my first life hack is get a dog.

   3. CWChris Williamson3:50

      Nice.

   4. JWJonny Watson3:51

      So, I mean, the thing is, to, to me and my social circle, it's like a, not many people I know have dogs. There'll be people listening to this who've, like, had a dog for five years.

   5. CWChris Williamson4:00

      You're fucking on about me.

   6. JWJonny Watson4:01

      "Fuck you, mate." Like, "I, I got a dog first." Like, "Don't-"

   7. CWChris Williamson4:03

      Hmm.

   8. JWJonny Watson4:03

      "... don't be, don't be trying to get one over on me with your dog."

   9. CWChris Williamson4:06

      But you, you are the, the first in, in this circle of, of-

   10. JWJonny Watson4:09

       Of getting a dog. Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson4:10

       Yeah. You're in there.

   12. JWJonny Watson4:11

       So I, it does just up-level the amount of time you smile and laugh.

   13. CWChris Williamson4:18

       That's great.

   14. JWJonny Watson4:19

       Which I think is worth ... I mean, they're expensive.

   15. CWChris Williamson4:22

       I've seen enumerable benefits for you in having Dexter.

   16. JWJonny Watson4:27

       Mm-hmm.

   17. CWChris Williamson4:27

       Um, I've seen a few downsides as well.

   18. JWJonny Watson4:29

       There are definitely downsides, yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson4:31

       This week. Um ...

   20. JWJonny Watson4:31

       So this week he's been unwell, which has meant I've had, I've had to sleep on the sofa, which has been-

   21. CWChris Williamson4:36

       Why?

   22. JWJonny Watson4:37

       Because he was waking up to shit two, three times in the night.

   23. CWChris Williamson4:41

       Okay.

   24. JWJonny Watson4:42

       So it's, it's-

   25. CWChris Williamson4:42

       And being sick.

   26. JWJonny Watson4:43

       And being sick, so it's more convenient to-

   27. CWChris Williamson4:45

       Just be there.

   28. JWJonny Watson4:45

       Literally, yeah. So I'm just like, I was just, limit my downside.

   29. CWChris Williamson4:48

       This is a, it's a really big commitment. It must be ... It's like the tester for, um, having a kid.

   30. JWJonny Watson4:55

       Exa- so, exactly.
4. 12:36 – 14:33

   BorrowMyDoggy as a low-commitment alternative + responsible ownership

   1. JWJonny Watson12:36

      So, just on the back of that as well. Uh, if you don't want to commit to a dog or if you can't afford the, the long-term cost of a dog, borrowmydoggy.com. Excellent website where-

   2. CWChris Williamson12:47

      Yeah.

   3. JWJonny Watson12:47

      ... I think it's £12 a year. And you just, you basically select dogs within your... It's like Tinder for dogs, I suppose. Exce- so-

   4. CWChris Williamson12:55

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JWJonny Watson12:55

      ... like, you, you look at dogs within your range. Within your, like, your locality radio.

   6. CWChris Williamson13:00

      You choose the gender.

   7. JWJonny Watson13:01

      Choose a gender.

   8. CWChris Williamson13:02

      You choose the age. Can you?

   9. JWJonny Watson13:03

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson13:03

       Choose a breed?

   11. JWJonny Watson13:04

       Choose a type of dog. People have little dog profile photos, and you just borrow someone's dog if they're going away or if they're, if-

   12. CWChris Williamson13:10

       Has anyone uploaded a photo of a dog with the dog filter from Snapchat on it? Because-

   13. JWJonny Watson13:14

       Oh, right.

   14. CWChris Williamson13:14

       ... I would choose that dog.

   15. JWJonny Watson13:15

       Definitely.

   16. CWChris Williamson13:16

       Dog, dog squared.

   17. JWJonny Watson13:17

       Dog, that one's my character.

   18. CWChris Williamson13:17

       That dog's gonna have a good time, isn't it? Look at him. Is that where we got the, uh, whippet that had psychomotor retardation from?

   19. JWJonny Watson13:22

       (laughs) That, that was a friend.

   20. CWChris Williamson13:24

       Oh, that is weird.

   21. JWJonny Watson13:24

       But I have borrowed other dogs from BorrowMyDoggy and they were much better.

   22. CWChris Williamson13:29

       Oh, okay.

   23. JWJonny Watson13:29

       They didn't have the psychomotor retardation. (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson13:30

       I do think, though, that getting a, getting a dog when your life is... Like, if you're out the house a lot.

   25. JWJonny Watson13:36

       Yeah, exactly. So, that's-

   26. CWChris Williamson13:37

       So, this is the reason I... Like, I, I've grown up with dogs and I'm sure, like, a lot of people, especially young people that are listening, will think, like, "Fuck, I've, I've grew up with dogs, I love dogs to bits."

   27. JWJonny Watson13:45

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson13:46

       And it like, it makes me physic- like, emotionally, uh, writhe when I see dogs. I just want to be around them.

   29. JWJonny Watson13:52

       Yeah, yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson13:53

       But because I have so much respect for them, and I know based on my mum and dad's treatment of our dogs what level of activity and care dogs should have-
5. 14:33 – 17:34

   Safety hack: film road-rage/altercations to instantly diffuse conflict

   1. JWJonny Watson14:33

      So, my life hack. I've got mine divided into physical and digital. So, uh, my first physical life hack is f- this was a, a suggestion, actually, from a guy called Dan. Dan, this was fantastic, you've given me three. Is if you have a accident in the car or an altercation or a road rage situation. So, like, someone starts getting out of the car and coming towards you... (laughs)

   2. CWChris Williamson14:59

      Get your phone out and film them.

   3. YSYusef Smith15:01

      (laughs)

   4. JWJonny Watson15:01

      Instantly diffuses the situation of, because what, what that does is shows a mirror to them. They're knocking at your window trying to, like, aggravate you and they're like, "Hang on."

   5. CWChris Williamson15:10

      Someone's saying, "I'm gonna be in a meme here."

   6. JWJonny Watson15:12

      Yeah. They just see themself and they're like, "Oh, man." What was that, um, the guy who was he... "You're..." The, the, like, BBC man who, he was a presenter.

   7. CWChris Williamson15:23

      Oh, yeah, and he got out the car and goes really angry.

   8. YSYusef Smith15:25

      Was it not the cyclist?

   9. JWJonny Watson15:25

      "You're, you're going to jail. And y- and I'll tell you what. You are too." Uh, oh, what was he saying? I can't even-

   10. CWChris Williamson15:32

       I don't know who you mean. He's like a David Attenborough type guy.

   11. JWJonny Watson15:35

       Oh.

   12. YSYusef Smith15:35

       Oh, it's-

   13. CWChris Williamson15:35

       He got... He, like, lost his shit on a motorway.

   14. JWJonny Watson15:37

       Uh, I've seen the one where, um, the, there's a cyclist coming along and the guy's in the car and he's being super, super angry and very, very threatening. Then gets out of the car and the cyclist starts cycling away.

   15. CWChris Williamson15:48

       Oh, that's-

   16. JWJonny Watson15:48

       And the guy runs along, tries to kick him. That's poetry, that video, right?

   17. CWChris Williamson15:53

       (inhales) You sh-

   18. JWJonny Watson15:53

       Video guy Dean will put the slow mo over this.

   19. CWChris Williamson15:55

       Didn't... You showed me, uh, was it Vice? Or someone, like-

   20. JWJonny Watson15:57

       He did. He did a full, like-

   21. CWChris Williamson15:58

       ... di- dissected the video-

   22. JWJonny Watson15:59

       It's incredible.

   23. CWChris Williamson15:59

       ... like frame by frame.

   24. JWJonny Watson16:01

       (laughs) He, so th- there's a bit in it-

   25. CWChris Williamson16:02

       Brilliant.

   26. JWJonny Watson16:02

       ... where he's like, he's talking to him and he's like, "Are you a tank? No. Are you a car? No. You're a cyclist, so get off the f- what side of the road... Do you pay road tax? No." And then he's like-

   27. CWChris Williamson16:11

       (laughs)

   28. YSYusef Smith16:11

       (laughs)

   29. JWJonny Watson16:11

       And then I saw the most beautiful phrase in the English language that I've ever witnessed. It blasts well past Cellar Door-

   30. CWChris Williamson16:18

       (laughs)
6. 17:34 – 23:26

   Kitchen efficiency hacks: scissors for food prep + egg-yolk bottle trick

   1. CWChris Williamson17:34

      So, my first one is using scissors in the kitchen for everything you use a knife for.

   2. JWJonny Watson17:40

      Oh.

   3. CWChris Williamson17:41

      (laughs)

   4. JWJonny Watson17:41

      Yeah. Great life hack.

   5. YSYusef Smith17:43

      Yep. Okay.

   6. CWChris Williamson17:44

      So, the-

   7. JWJonny Watson17:45

      Cheese.

   8. CWChris Williamson17:45

      ... straight, straight off the bat, like, if you are still cutting chicken with a knife, like, give up.

   9. JWJonny Watson17:52

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson17:52

       Like, buy a fairly okay pair of kitchen scissors. Need to be quite sharp. And you'll just, you never need to use ch- 'Cause chicken is out, chicken is on your hands, both hands usually. You're holding it, might chop your finger, then you've got, like, salmonella in your, in your wound, and-

   11. YSYusef Smith18:07

       Nothing worse.

   12. CWChris Williamson18:08

       Yeah, salmonella wound. Whereas you can have single hand over the...... um, pot, chopping away, chopping your chicken into little dicey strips or whatever it is. The same goes for vegetables. The same goes for pizza. Like-

   13. JWJonny Watson18:22

       Mm-hmm.

   14. Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson18:23

       ... pizza with a pair of scissors. Like, just fu- e-

   16. JWJonny Watson18:26

       (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson18:26

       People are tr-

   18. JWJonny Watson18:27

       Yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson18:27

       ... do you know like when the astronauts went to space and they were like, "There's no gravity in space. We need to come up with a pen that'll write upside down." It's like, it's a pencil. Like, yes, mate, fucking go back to-

   20. JWJonny Watson18:36

       Or the A- the Americans invested the money in the, like, the space pen, and the Russians just used the pencil.

   21. CWChris Williamson18:41

       (laughs)

   22. JWJonny Watson18:42

       (laughs)

   23. (laughs)

   24. Just to see in X-ray vision through all the-

   25. You used to be able to buy the space pen. It was like, you can use it under water and upside down.

   26. CWChris Williamson18:48

       Yeah, who has-

   27. JWJonny Watson18:48

       They're just like, "We use pencil." (laughs)

   28. I can't ... I mean, it's amazing that that's, that that sold so well. I guess people just want a cool pen.

   29. CWChris Williamson18:53

       It's a novelty, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I remember, like, JML or QVC or someone being like, "It can write on walls and it writes upside down."

   30. JWJonny Watson19:02

       (laughs) Yeah.
7. 23:26 – 28:29

   Meal-kit services (Gousto/HelloFresh): cooking skills without shopping friction

   1. JWJonny Watson23:26

      (laughs)

   2. CWChris Williamson23:26

      (laughs)

   3. JWJonny Watson23:26

      (laughs) Um, Gusto or HelloFresh.

   4. CWChris Williamson23:32

      Okay.

   5. JWJonny Watson23:33

      Mm-hmm.

   6. That's it.

   7. CWChris Williamson23:34

      Sure?

   8. JWJonny Watson23:34

      Drove past a man carrying a Gusto box on the way here. And you said-

   9. CWChris Williamson23:37

      Are they both the same? They're like Blue Apron in America only no-

   10. JWJonny Watson23:39

       They're pretty, pretty similar, yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson23:41

       Right.

   12. JWJonny Watson23:42

       So that I, I would say Gusto is better based on having tried both.

   13. CWChris Williamson23:44

       How do you spell that?

   14. JWJonny Watson23:45

       G-O-U-S-T-O.

   15. CWChris Williamson23:48

       Cool.

   16. JWJonny Watson23:49

       So my diet, probably the same for both of you, extremely bland. I know your, you're both doing the slow cooker shit, aren't you? So it's maybe a bit better than mine. But extremely bland, eat the same things every day.... when Beca and I eat together, it's the same shit every time.

   17. CWChris Williamson24:03

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JWJonny Watson24:03

       So this, but, and we both have, like, the, I'd quite like to learn to cook, I'd quite like to do a bit more cooking, but, and you can buy a recipe book, but, like, the, the barrier of, like, you open it, you're like, "One clove of garlic, one bit of ginger," and you're like, "Fuck off, like, uh, who just has, like, ginger in the house?" Maybe you do, I don't, so.

   19. CWChris Williamson24:22

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JWJonny Watson24:22

       Who has, like, exactly the right amount of (air whooshing) that he does?

   21. So I've- so I've-

   22. Curry powder or-

   23. Yeah. I- I've got a big bag of blocks of frozen ginger and frozen garlic that I just chuck on in the slow cooker-

   24. Okay.

   25. ... when it, which is lovely, that. That's a very-

   26. Okay.

   27. 'Cause he, Tesco do, like, a sachet with, like, crushed garlic, but it's-

   28. Really expensive.

   29. ... it's tiny and it's very expensive.

   30. Mm-hmm.
8. 28:29 – 38:59

   Dental floss in the shower: inflammation, consistency, and technique

   1. JWJonny Watson28:29

      ... keep dental floss in the shower, you know, where, where you, where you have all the stuff to hang the shower gels.

   2. CWChris Williamson28:36

      Okay.

   3. JWJonny Watson28:37

      Because flossing is one of those things that you just never get around to doing.

   4. CWChris Williamson28:40

      Mm-hmm. Okay.

   5. JWJonny Watson28:40

      Whereas you're not doing anything in the shower. You're just standing there getting wet and warm. So pull out a dental floss, and also it means when you spit out all the blood and stuff, it just goes into the shower.

   6. In the shower.

   7. Drains away. So we spoke to Dean Saint-Mark recently, that said that the largest source of systemic inflammation in the body is from your gums. And because most people are terrible at flossing, there's a huge low hanging fruit with flossing, and that brings down your CRP, which is the inflammatory marker produced by your liver. And that, bringing that down correlates with better body composition, better mood, lower stress, all those things.

   8. (laughs) Shit.

   9. CWChris Williamson29:18

      So-

   10. JWJonny Watson29:19

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson29:19

       So ... Fuck me.

   12. JWJonny Watson29:20

       So they know it's just- So this happened with me saying to him, 'cause he was like, "Depression has got ..." I, did I just talk over you there?

   13. No.

   14. No. No. (laughs) I'm sorry. I just started, I just had this thought, I was like, started speaking, I was like, "Oh shit, did I just completely cut someone off?" (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson29:34

       Lost it.

   16. JWJonny Watson29:34

       Um, so I said, he was like, "You, people have a ..." I might get this wrong, "genetic predisposition to depression." Yeah?

   17. (laughs)

   18. And, uh, (laughs) and I said, like, "If you have that, what can you do?" And he said, "Well, you manage your inflammation."

   19. CWChris Williamson29:50

       (laughs)

   20. JWJonny Watson29:51

       And I was like, "Fine, how do you manage your inflammation?" He said, "Well," (laughs) he said, "Well, flossing."

   21. Floss your teeth.

   22. I'm like, "Fucking hell. So you're telling me, mate, that if I just floss my teeth, I'm less-"

   23. Your teeth-

   24. CWChris Williamson30:02

       My depression's gone away.

   25. JWJonny Watson30:03

       ... your teeth (laughs) -

   26. (laughs)

   27. ... I'm less likely to get depression, you're saying? Hey?

   28. YSYusef Smith30:08

       Hope he's not watching. (laughs) I'm terrible with this stuff. Um, but yeah, so floss your teeth.

   29. CWChris Williamson30:15

       Okay.

   30. YSYusef Smith30:15

       Using the Scone method.
9. 38:59 – 47:43

   Focus and prioritization: ‘3 things per day, 1 per week’ + Eisenhower Matrix + apps

   1. JWJonny Watson38:59

      Three things per day, one thing per week.

   2. CWChris Williamson39:02

      Give away.

   3. JWJonny Watson39:03

      No. Do, complete.

   4. And, and the three things per day are mini things?

   5. Yeah. So, uh, book called Essentialism. Book called The One Thing. Basically all attack the same thing, which is that, um, lack of focus, procrastination, being ineffective, et cetera, come from just trying to do too many things and being diffusely focused. So each week pick a thing, like a project that you're gonna move forward or complete. And then at the start of each day, look at your to-do list and pick three things and do those three things every single day. And it sounds insanely simple. Really difficult to do.

   6. CWChris Williamson39:40

      Give me an example of three things.

   7. JWJonny Watson39:42

      So they'd all be, like, work related for me.

   8. CWChris Williamson39:45

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JWJonny Watson39:45

      So it might be send two marketing emails. Um, finish off a certain piece of automation or software, write a piece of content. So it's not stuff that would be, um, it's not stuff that like you are doing all the time, recurring. It's not low level tasks.

   10. CWChris Williamson40:01

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JWJonny Watson40:01

       It's stuff that if you didn't make time to do it, would, probably wouldn't get done.

   12. CWChris Williamson40:07

       Do you think that-

   13. JWJonny Watson40:07

       Been working very well for you as well.

   14. CWChris Williamson40:09

       Do you think that this-

   15. JWJonny Watson40:10

       I think so.

   16. CWChris Williamson40:10

       ... this works particularly well in a job where you have, um, like consistent categories of tasks that come up? For instance, if you are someone that works in, uh, customer service or something like me, which is very responsive.

   17. JWJonny Watson40:26

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CWChris Williamson40:26

       If the majority of your job is conflict management or, uh-

   19. JWJonny Watson40:30

       Mm-hmm.

   20. CWChris Williamson40:30

       ... problem solving.

   21. JWJonny Watson40:31

       So maybe not in that instance, yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson40:33

       I'm just trying to thi- I'm trying to think about how-

   23. JWJonny Watson40:34

       So it's for, it's for stuff ... So something that Yousef spoke on is the Eisenhower matrix.

   24. CWChris Williamson40:38

       Yeah.

   25. JWJonny Watson40:38

       So anything that's in urgent, not urgent but important. So stuff that like, stuff that we procrastinate on, essentially.

   26. CWChris Williamson40:46

       Yeah. Got you, got you, got you, got you.

   27. JWJonny Watson40:46

       Um, if you make time for things like that, then it helps.

   28. CWChris Williamson40:52

       Yeah.

   29. JWJonny Watson40:52

       But like, if, if all of your job is just in the urgent and important category and everything has to be done now-

   30. CWChris Williamson40:57

       Yeah.
10. 47:43 – 1:04:37

    Deep dive: Pomodoro technique, office design, and outcome-based work culture

    1. CWChris Williamson47:43

       Oh my God. Uh, right, okay. So, I don't think that we've actually properly done Pomodoros and how big of a, a change it's been for me.

    2. JWJonny Watson47:53

       Have we not?

    3. CWChris Williamson47:54

       No, not, not properly. I was going to do an entire one on, on like productivity and stuff like that.

    4. JWJonny Watson47:59

       I'm realizing we're making so many references to things, like p- saying "Pomodoro." If you haven't heard of a Pomodoro, you'll be like, "Ooh."

    5. Yeah, what's that? Yeah.

    6. It's a tomato.

    7. CWChris Williamson48:07

       So, tomato.

    8. JWJonny Watson48:08

       (laughs)

    9. Italian, Italian tomato.

    10. Tomato.

    11. CWChris Williamson48:11

        Was it a normal ...

    12. JWJonny Watson48:13

        (laughs)

    13. CWChris Williamson48:14

        Uh, so, um-

    14. JWJonny Watson48:15

        Can't wait. (laughs)

    15. CWChris Williamson48:15

        ... Pomodo- (laughs)

    16. JWJonny Watson48:17

        (laughs)

    17. CWChris Williamson48:17

        Pomodoros. Pomodoros are, for me, have been probably the single biggest shift in work.... and how I schedule my time when I'm at work doing some form of work that I've ever had. Um, like, that's, uh, it's the same as (sighs) I just, I, so I was thinking about this yesterday, I don't know why. I can't understand how other people construct their working day without doing it.

    18. YSYusef Smith48:43

        Mm-hmm.

    19. CWChris Williamson48:44

        This is how big of a, a frame shift using the minute. I'm gonna guess that it's similar for you guys now as well, like, that if you weren't doing this-

    20. JWJonny Watson48:50

        It's such a, such a great metric. It's like as soon y- when you do something and you're like, "How do people live without this?" That's like-

    21. CWChris Williamson48:55

        Yeah. Automatic, automatic cars.

    22. JWJonny Watson48:56

        ... automatic cars. (laughs) It's literally, yeah, it's-

    23. CWChris Williamson48:58

        Yeah. What the fuck are you doing? What, like-

    24. JWJonny Watson48:59

        (laughs)

    25. CWChris Williamson48:59

        ... you, you put your foot to the floor and you move your hand to choose the gear. What, like, like a fucking Neanderthal? (laughs)

    26. YSYusef Smith49:07

        (laughs)

    27. CWChris Williamson49:07

        Like-

    28. YSYusef Smith49:07

        I used to think that-

    29. CWChris Williamson49:08

        Oh, my God. Churn your own butter as well.

    30. YSYusef Smith49:10

        Oh, god. So porn that smalls the extension of that was like, 'cause people say, "Oh, no, no, you know, I, like, change my gears." It's like, well, where does that stop? Like, well, I'm gonna get out and push the car or I'm gonna get out-

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