Life Hacks 110 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 115

Chris Williamson 0:00 It's life hacks 110?

Jonny 0:02 All those hacks.

Yusef 0:03 How many life hacks?

Chris Williamson 0:05 I've got shit loads, mate. I've got a big, big pot of life hacks. He hasn't even got any life hacks. Mate, you're, you don't even have any. What are you doing? Definitely one of the, the things that makes people weak is a over reliance on any one thing.

Yusef 0:20 Every time I've got a taxi that isn't Uber, they've been racist and, uh-

Chris Williamson 0:24 To who? You? If you use one of the self-serve Costa coffee machines you can fit a large coffee into a medium cup then you only get charged for a medium.

Yusef 0:34 That is stealing.

Chris Williamson 0:36 It's also shit coffee.

Yusef 0:37 Can you ejaculate without an erection?

Chris Williamson 0:39 Anyone who's listening, can you tell us if you've ejaculated without an erection?

Yusef 0:42 I know someone that, uh, had a poo and came. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:46 (laughs)

Yusef 0:47 At code on top, top code.

Chris Williamson 0:49 Thousands of people watching you and you've just m- you've pulled it out the bag. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back. I'm joined by Johnny and Yusuf from propanefitness.com. It's life hacks 110?

Jonny 1:04 All those hacks.

Yusef 1:05 How many life hacks?

Chris Williamson 1:07 I think it's probably about 250.

Yusef 1:09 50?

Chris Williamson 1:10 250.

Yusef 1:10 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:10 25 per episode.

Jonny 1:11 This is why I don't have any.

Chris Williamson 1:12 You've run out. Johnny's run out of life hacks to say, but it's okay, it's all right. Me and Yusuf have got loads and you can just-

Jonny 1:18 I'll just talk about them.

Chris Williamson 1:19 You're here for the, here for the ride.

Yusef 1:20 I think we will grease the groove and then Johnny will be like, "Ah, you did 10."

Jonny 1:24 I'll under pop in the most.

Chris Williamson 1:25 Uh, so if you're new-

Yusef 1:26 Let's just hot potato Johnny.

Jonny 1:27 No.

Yusef 1:27 No. (laughs)

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Yusef 2:14 So Johnny, why don't you start us off? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:16 Johnny, why don't you start us off? I will do one. This is actually the first life hack that I've featured which has been officially submitted by a listener and it's mint.

Jonny 2:25 Okay.

Chris Williamson 2:25 You ready for this?

Jonny 2:26 I'm ready for this.

Chris Williamson 2:27 Okay so back to the screen.

Yusef 2:30 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:30 Will Robertson if you use one of the self-serve Costa coffee machines you can fit a large coffee into a medium cup then you only get charged for a medium.

Yusef 2:42 That is stealing Will Robertson.

Chris Williamson 2:45 It's also shit coffee Will Robertson.

Yusef 2:46 But it's good for the environment because you're using less wasted cup space.

Chris Williamson 2:51 Hang on don't you go to Costa?

Jonny 2:52 Yeah but not... What he's talking about is the machines that like you get in petrol stations.

Chris Williamson 2:57 Okay. Well I mean-

Jonny 2:58 I think so anyway.

Yusef 2:59 That's like saying hey look I can get away with stealing a marginal amount of extra fluid in my coffee therefore it's a life hack.

Jonny 3:05 I can't believe that either is stealing.

Yusef 3:08 So it you think it's not stealing because you've already paid for-

Chris Williamson 3:11 Well the charge is for the size of the cup.

Jonny 3:13 He's using his own cup. He's getting, he's paying for the amount of coffee that there is in the mug.

Yusef 3:16 The charge is for the size of the cup or for the amount of liquid that you've dispensed?

Jonny 3:20 Well he's pay-

Yusef 3:21 It's cheaper if you have your own isn't it?

Jonny 3:22 But it's a fixed amount of liquid.

Chris Williamson 3:23 That's not, that's not what he's doing.

Jonny 3:24 He's not making more liquid come out. Like he is pressing a button and amount of liquids coming out.

Yusef 3:29 He's pressed the wrong button for the price that he's being...

Jonny 3:31 Well no he's not.

Yusef 3:32 That's the same as what you're saying when you're in a Tesco checkout, um, just buy loads of steak but say that it's onions.

Jonny 3:38 I know someone who used to do that but it's not the same because what he's doing is he's going up to the machine puts his cup under presses medium and then pays. Presses large... Is that right?

Chris Williamson 3:47 Yeah.

Jonny 3:48 Presses lar-

Chris Williamson 3:49 Yeah.

Yusef 3:49 Pesses.

Chris Williamson 3:50 Presses large into a medium cup.

Yusef 3:52 So the thing that is a design-

Chris Williamson 3:52 Hold on.

Yusef 3:53 ... that the dispense and the purchase are different.

Chris Williamson 3:56 Well the thing is that the person who's on the checkout isn't measuring how much liquid is in that.

Yusef 4:01 It's what I made guys.

Chris Williamson 4:02 Yeah I know. Anyway I think Will Robertson mate-

Yusef 4:05 A stealer Will Robertson.

Chris Williamson 4:06 Do not listen do not listen to these two.

Jonny 4:08 Burglar.

Chris Williamson 4:08 They're trying to shit on your parade. He hasn't even got any life hacks.

Jonny 4:11 Burgling.

Chris Williamson 4:11 Mate you don't even have any. What are you doing?

Jonny 4:14 To burgle.

Chris Williamson 4:14 Leave Will alone. Will me and you are-

Jonny 4:17 We burgle.

Chris Williamson 4:17 ... fucking peace mate.

Jonny 4:18 I burgle, he burgle-

Chris Williamson 4:20 He burgles.

Jonny 4:20 ... he she it burgles.

Chris Williamson 4:21 We burgle, they burgle. Right, uh, Yusuf, do you want to go? Should we go this way?

Yusef 4:24 Yes.

Chris Williamson 4:25 Cool.

Yusef 4:26 Give Johnny some time to-

Chris Williamson 4:27 Yeah.

Yusef 4:27 ... to ponder.

Chris Williamson 4:28 I've pondered enough.

Yusef 4:28 So today's life hack was something I made today and it is a scalable salad.

Chris Williamson 4:35 Oh my God. (laughs)

Yusef 4:36 Absolutely beautiful. This is so-

Chris Williamson 4:38 Can you explain what you mean by that?

Yusef 4:39 Oh man so, so I am totally inept at anything culinary and my beautiful flatmate Mike Randall showed me the way the other day with a, um, he's got a special knife and he just said I was chopping wrong. What this is is tabbouleh which is-

Chris Williamson 4:56 Bless you.

Yusef 4:57 ... bulgur wheat, cu- cucumber, pomegranate if you want, um, peppers, parsley, mi- fresh mint, uh, beans, and olives. Chop them all up so just thinly dice them or if you just can't use a knife you can get a push chopper which is like a zigzag blade in a circular thing where you put the vege- vegetables in, you do that a few times the blade comes down and rotates-

Chris Williamson 5:24 Yep.

Yusef 5:24 ... and just dices everything for you. Chuck it all in with the bulgur wheat and then you can add some shredded chicken on top, you can put some balsamic dressing. That will create about a kilo of salad for about four or five pounds compared to if you were to buy a salad of that level of quality it would cost you thousands-

Chris Williamson 5:45 What's it called? Tabbouleh?

Jonny 5:46 (laughs)

Yusef 5:46 Tabbouleh. It's a-

Chris Williamson 5:48 How do you spell that?

Yusef 5:48 ... Middle Eastern T-A-B-B-E-L-

Jonny 5:50 Is that a salad or is that the device?

Yusef 5:52 Oh t- no tabbouleh. Uh-

Jonny 5:55 Ooh lah.

Yusef 5:56 Tabbouleh. Um, it's the salad.

Chris Williamson 5:59 Okay.

Yusef 6:00 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 6:00 Okay.

Jonny 6:00 The... When we were speaking to, um, great-

Yusef 6:03 From meal prep.

Jonny 6:04 ... a man today Yusuf said in a normal sentence Baghdad.

Guest 6:08 ... but couldn't say Baghdad. He had to say Baktun.

Chris Williamson 6:11 (laughs)

Guest 6:11 (laughs)

Jonny 6:13 I do have one.

Chris Williamson 6:14 Ah.

Jonny 6:15 I have one.

Guest 6:15 Yes.

Chris Williamson 6:16 Knew it.

Jonny 6:17 Come on then, Johnny. Hit us.

Guest 6:18 Oil the pipes. Grease the groove. Pump the-

Jonny 6:21 Butter the bread.

Guest 6:21 Batten the hatches.

Jonny 6:22 Mous.

Guest 6:24 Oh.

Chris Williamson 6:25 What's that?

Jonny 6:25 Or mouse.

Chris Williamson 6:26 How do you spell that?

Jonny 6:27 It's this phone case. M-O-U-S.

Chris Williamson 6:30 Okay, yep.

Guest 6:31 Do you know what? I was gonna ask you about this earlier today, 'cause it looks hardy. Is it made of fibreglass?

Jonny 6:36 So if you Google them, they started on a Kickstarter campaign.

Guest 6:40 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 6:41 And they have tested these phone cases, dropping them. They send a drone up, and they release the phone.

Chris Williamson 6:46 Oh, right. Yeah.

Jonny 6:46 They hit it with hammers. So it was the second time, dropped my phone, picked it up, fucking hell, 150 quid.

Guest 6:54 (gasps)

Jonny 6:54 So instead of that, bought a new phone. I was like, "I am not cracking..." I mean, famous last words.

Guest 6:57 (gasps)

Jonny 6:58 I've actually had two dreams where I've cracked the screen of this. Um, but yeah, they, it's really nice. Service is really good, and I think everyone'll like them.

Chris Williamson 7:07 Looks pretty cool, man. The one thing that I am gonna criticise it about-

Jonny 7:11 It's a bit clunky.

Chris Williamson 7:11 ... is how in love with the fact that it had a magnetic wallet that could go on the back of it you were.

Guest 7:18 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:18 And you were adamant, fucking adamant. I'll just show this to the camera.

Guest 7:22 No, it's not on.

Jonny 7:22 So, you were-

Guest 7:23 It's not on there anymore.

Jonny 7:23 You were absolutely adamant about the fact that-

Guest 7:25 The crisp is not on.

Jonny 7:26 ... sticking a card holder here on the back of the, on the back of the phone case, because it's got a little magnet behind that, was a great idea. And he dispensed with your wallet, and then your girlfriend's brother-

Guest 7:38 Yeah.

Jonny 7:38 ... said to you, "Well, what if that just comes off, mate?"

Chris Williamson 7:41 (laughs)

Guest 7:41 So he-

Jonny 7:41 Because it's held on by-

Guest 7:42 He delivered it in a, in a one, two, double punch, the second one was a knockout, was, "What are you gonna put in that?" And I was like, "Ah, well, it's so you know on a night out, you go out, you don't, you think, oh, I don't need my card, I use Apple Pay, so I put my, you know, I put like my driving licence in and stuff like that." He's like, "You're gonna put your driving licence in that?" I'm like, "Yeah." He's like, "What you gonna do when you take it out your pocket and it slips off? And you've had a, had a couple of drinks, and you wake up the next morning you just don't have like your National Insurance number and your driving license?" (laughs)

Jonny 8:12 Uh-huh.

Guest 8:12 So.

Chris Williamson 8:12 Do you take your National Insurance number on a night out?

Guest 8:14 All the time.

Chris Williamson 8:14 Do you? I do.

Guest 8:15 What if you need to like register a new license or something? (laughs)

Jonny 8:17 We did that today. We literally did it today.

Guest 8:19 I needed my National Insurance number the other day.

Chris Williamson 8:20 Oh, yeah.

Guest 8:21 He knows it off the top of his head.

Chris Williamson 8:22 So do I.

Guest 8:23 I don't.

Chris Williamson 8:24 Do credit cards no longer get affected by magnets?

Guest 8:28 Apparently not.

Chris Williamson 8:29 I mean that's a, I suppose I'd be screwed if, if that was the case, 'cause I've got a magnet there. In fact, that's a, a bonus life hack. I've got a magnet behind my phone case there. Right. So that when, when I'm in the car, you know how the vent thing-

Jonny 8:43 Same.

Chris Williamson 8:44 ... is a magnetic thing? Yeah, so you can just stick it on there.

Jonny 8:46 Same, same as-

Guest 8:46 I have the... Have you not also criticised me for that?

Chris Williamson 8:50 Yeah.

Guest 8:50 Yeah. So in my, on my vent, the, the, the fault in the design with that is the thing, how it fits into the vent.

Chris Williamson 8:56 Mm-hmm.

Guest 8:57 But so yeah, you just go (magnet clicks) and it clips on.

Chris Williamson 8:59 Sat nav.

Guest 8:59 And this is the best thing about this. Inside here, when you take this off, which I'm not gonna do 'cause it's a right thing to take off. You know the thing that you need to take your SIM card out?

Chris Williamson 9:07 Mm-hmm.

Guest 9:08 That's in the case.

Chris Williamson 9:10 Mate, it, it sounds really innovative. I just, you ruined it for me when the first thing you did was attach the most important cards in your life to the back of it with magnets.

Guest 9:19 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 9:20 So anyway.

Guest 9:21 M-O-U-S.

Chris Williamson 9:23 Uh.

Guest 9:23 Good. Mous.

Chris Williamson 9:25 Mous. (laughs)

Guest 9:26 This is a recent, relatively recent one, which is schedule send on Gmail. I don't know if you've seen this. I don't know whether you use web-based Gmail. Anyone who does-

Chris Williamson 9:36 Don't.

Guest 9:37 Um, you'll see now at the bottom, if you go on to, you've written your email out, you go to send, and just next to send there's a little drop down arrow that allows you to schedule it. So you can be working away on a nighttime or in the morning, have emails that you require to arrive with someone, and just schedule them for- Mailbutler slowly getting chipped away by Gmail.

Chris Williamson 9:57 Yeah.

Guest 9:57 I'm noticing a lot of the functions that we were espousing with Mailbutler a few episodes ago are now like just getting integrated by Gmail.

Chris Williamson 10:05 Eaten up.

Guest 10:05 Separate. I also am being... Do you pay for Mailbutler? No. So they're, they are basically pushing me out the app and making me pay.

Chris Williamson 10:13 Are they?

Guest 10:13 Wow. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:14 Have you rang them and said, "Excuse me."

Guest 10:16 I'm not, I'm just annoyed about it. It's, it feels very beany to me. There's bean sauce all over it.

Chris Williamson 10:21 (laughs)

Guest 10:22 Do you get what I mean?

Chris Williamson 10:23 Yeah.

Guest 10:24 It doesn't, it keeps fucking crashing. It keep, like when I start an app- You know what I'm really worried about is, 'cause it, I've got a big backlog of... 'Cause it puts them in a separate folder when you've scheduled messages. I'm worried that if one day Mailbutler doesn't launch properly and then it just fires out all of my like scheduled messages.

Chris Williamson 10:37 (laughs) Oh, you lose them.

Guest 10:38 All at once. How many messages have you scheduled? Oh, like loads of snoozed and scheduled and follow-up ones, and, but it's a really intricate, like a house of cards system that I've built.

Chris Williamson 10:47 (laughs)

Guest 10:48 So if one day... This is why you keep needing new devices.

Chris Williamson 10:51 'Cause I have like-

Guest 10:52 You just, it's just clogged. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:55 That's the same reason. That's the exact same reason as to why I'm terrified of moving my reminders from future reminders on Apple over to Things, and fully migrating.

Guest 11:04 Ugh.

Chris Williamson 11:04 Because if Things breaks, I know that Apple Reminders doesn't, and if Things breaks at some point, the entire structure upon which my life is predicated-

Guest 11:12 It's horrible, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 11:13 ... will fall to the ground around me.

Guest 11:14 Suddenly you, you send out an email that was scheduled for July that says, "Hey, Kevin, how's the twins? Like, hope you're..." And you're like, "Oh, no, he doesn't have the twins yet." Sickening, like.

Chris Williamson 11:22 Oh, oh, also I'm gonna put on the end of that as well, schedule send on Gmail is in there, but undo on Gmail is also there.

Guest 11:27 Undo send.

Jonny 11:28 That's another, that's another Mailbutler thing.

Guest 11:29 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:29 Yeah.

Guest 11:29 Yes.

Chris Williamson 11:29 So you've got a five-second window after you send it where you can just argh, argh, argh.

Guest 11:33 Five seconds?

Chris Williamson 11:34 I think it might be 10. I don't know.

Guest 11:35 That's, mine's 60, and I've, I've been caught like at 55 seconds before just like, oh, quick. Like five is the normal one. Not when you're reviewing.

Jonny 11:42 What happens in the minute?

Chris Williamson 11:43 Yeah.

Guest 11:43 Where like you-

Jonny 11:43 You sit there and-

Guest 11:44 So sometimes either the circumstance will change or you'll see another message.

Chris Williamson 11:47 What, in, within the minute of when you sent it?

Guest 11:49 Happens so much.

Chris Williamson 11:50 How fast paced is your life?

Guest 11:51 Oh, man. It, or used to-

Chris Williamson 11:52 I'm fucking telling you, man.

Jonny 11:54 Living on the edge of a knife's edge.

Guest 11:55 You see, you see another email that's sent from the same person that changes the whole thing or, or you just think of something extra to put in. Put at least a minute. I'd say 90 seconds.

Chris Williamson 12:03 I don't think you can customize it.

Guest 12:04 No email is that urgent that it needs to be sent within five seconds of thinking time. How often do you two both check email?

Yusef 12:11 ... very fre- more frequently than I'd like to.

Chris Williamson 12:14 That, that's also my time, but I think probably once per 90 minutes.

Yusef 12:20 Ooh.

Chris Williamson 12:20 Once per hour.

Jonny 12:21 Okay. I'd love to be able to ch- ch- check it, like, twice a week. I just think that would be the dream.

Chris Williamson 12:26 That's what Tiago Forte does. Once a week, Wednesday afternoon.

Jonny 12:31 I bet that's a stressful time for him.

Chris Williamson 12:33 But he loves it. He says that he gets, he gets really amped up about it and starts sending off emails every five seconds.

Yusef 12:38 (laughs) Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:38 So he just loves getting into it, and he's like, "And once you start going, you know, you're just churning through them, man." And he's like talking about it like it's a workout.

Jonny 12:46 But if he, if he likes it so much, why not just do it more often?

Chris Williamson 12:48 No, no, he likes, he likes doing the deep single task.

Jonny 12:51 Oh, right.

Chris Williamson 12:51 He doesn't like the constant...

Yusef 12:52 'Cause it does feel like you've got a pile of papers and you're just going, "Note, bin. Yep, send. Throw it back." Put it in the-

Jonny 12:56 And then just posting the, the first person goes... It's back on your pile.

Yusef 13:00 (laughs) (groans)

Chris Williamson 13:00 You go, "Oh, fuck."

Jonny 13:01 "Note, bin. Note, bin."

Chris Williamson 13:01 But no, you just got to hope that they d- or schedule send everything for after, when your window ends, so it even's out.

Jonny 13:07 So, a lot of people do that.

Chris Williamson 13:08 Yeah, I know .

Jonny 13:09 Or, like, a lot of people do it for the, the end of the work day or whatever.

Chris Williamson 13:12 And then stop people from creating threads.

Jonny 13:14 You can't create.

Chris Williamson 13:14 Yeah. It's a, it's a clever, a clever way to do things. Scob, what have you got? What's next?

Yusef 13:19 In, in your out of office, I, I heard a, a comedian talk about this the other day. He said just don't use the word myself. Like, (mocking voice) "I am currently out of the office. Please contact myself upon, uh, the retrieval and the return of my da-" (normal voice) And you're like, oh, just why use that kind of horrible language.

Chris Williamson 13:33 Out of office replies. I've never had an out of office reply.

Jonny 13:36 Oh, I get them constantly.

Chris Williamson 13:38 Uh, well, you have an autoresponder on your email.

Jonny 13:41 The most, the most dickish thing I've seen at the moment is someone who... There's someone on our email list who auto-replies saying, (mocking voice) "I'm now using a service, WebBuy."

Chris Williamson 13:50 (groans)

Jonny 13:51 (Urgh) "In order for you to reach me, you must pay £1 to charity."

Yusef 13:55 Or it's like, "You need to send"-

Jonny 13:57 Like, mate, we're paying for you to be on the email list. Piss off.

Chris Williamson 14:00 (laughs)

Yusef 14:00 It's like, "You need to send 5p in Bitcoin so that I can read it."

Jonny 14:03 Yeah. Ugh. Christ.

Yusef 14:03 It's like, like, yeah, y- you've opted in for this, so it's up to you whether you receive it or not.

Jonny 14:08 Your fault.

Yusef 14:08 But that-

Chris Williamson 14:09 Scobbly, what have you got?

Yusef 14:10 So-

Chris Williamson 14:10 Give us another life hack.

Yusef 14:11 This is a triple life hack that all... We found out just before recording that all three of us do.

Chris Williamson 14:15 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 14:16 That is, keeping flip-flops next to the back door of the house. So if you need to take the bins out, to pop out, water the plants, whatever it is. We're so, we're so grownup. Um, then, uh, put the-

Jonny 14:30 Quick release footwear, isn't it?

Yusef 14:32 Quick release, yeah.

Chris Williamson 14:32 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 14:33 I've, I've just... I, I picked the most ridiculous pair of, um, Primark flip-flops that I could find.

Chris Williamson 14:38 And they're pink.

Yusef 14:38 They're bright orange. Orangey-pink, and they say, "Why not?" on them.

Chris Williamson 14:42 (taps flip-flop) Oh.

Yusef 14:43 And they're just like, you know the, there's no toe hole, it's just like a...

Chris Williamson 14:46 They're sliders, not flip-flops.

Yusef 14:47 Sliders.

Jonny 14:48 Oh, okay.

Chris Williamson 14:49 Yeah.

Jonny 14:49 There's no, there's no thong?

Yusef 14:50 American... Yeah. Australians call them thongs, don't they?

Chris Williamson 14:52 Yeah.

Jonny 14:53 With, well, that's the technical terms for those.

Chris Williamson 14:55 What it, what it is. Yeah, it's that little bit of meat.

Jonny 14:56 I have thong anxiety. Does anyone else get that?

Chris Williamson 14:59 I love-

Yusef 14:59 It's horrible.

Chris Williamson 14:59 Havana's flip-flops are by far the most comfortable flip-flops on the planet.

Jonny 15:04 They're the premier league.

Chris Williamson 15:05 Yeah.

Jonny 15:05 But I get thong anxiety.

Yusef 15:06 What is thong anxiety?

Jonny 15:07 When you are... It only really happens in foreign countries. You're wearing flip-flops 'cause you wear them constantly when it's hot, and you're going down a slight decline. Maybe your feet are a bit wet.

Yusef 15:15 Oh.

Jonny 15:15 There's a lot of pressure on the thong.

Chris Williamson 15:17 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 15:17 Could break a toe, couldn't it?

Jonny 15:18 And you think, "God, my, basically my body weight is reliant on-"

Chris Williamson 15:22 This.

Jonny 15:22 "... this pretty femur bit of rubber. If it goes, I'm fucked."

Yusef 15:26 (laughs) Fema?

Jonny 15:27 Fema.

Yusef 15:28 Flemma.

Chris Williamson 15:29 Flemma.

Yusef 15:29 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:31 Flemma.

Jonny 15:31 (laughs)

Yusef 15:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:31 Um, uh, that's... What? We need to stop bringing up references that-

Jonny 15:35 I wish you had a list.

Chris Williamson 15:36 ... thousands of people-

Yusef 15:37 (laughs)

Jonny 15:37 You'd be floored.

Chris Williamson 15:37 ... thousands of people that are listening have just gone-

Jonny 15:39 Don't understand.

Chris Williamson 15:40 ... "Why'd they just make that? Lemma?"

Jonny 15:41 Even I have to, like, go back through the archives.

Yusef 15:44 He was in Iceland. He was in Iceland. That's why.

Jonny 15:45 I know, I know. But initially I'm like...

Yusef 15:47 So-

Jonny 15:47 Chris, he's just having a stroke.

Yusef 15:48 (laughs) I'm supposed to explain-

Chris Williamson 15:49 (laughs) He's having a stroke.

Jonny 15:50 Normal.

Chris Williamson 15:50 There's an aneurysm. He's having an aneurysm live on air.

Jonny 15:52 To explain to the listeners-

Chris Williamson 15:53 We always said it was gonna happen.

Yusef 15:54 ... we stayed in a place called Lemma.

Jonny 15:56 (laughs) Lemma.

Chris Williamson 15:58 (laughs)

Jonny 15:58 "Welcome to Lemma."

Yusef 16:00 We couldn't take it seriously.

Jonny 16:01 I wish-

Yusef 16:02 Couldn't take it seriously.

Jonny 16:02 ... that I could capture it somewhere permanent, the moment where you and I, Chris, realized how cold it was.

Chris Williamson 16:08 Was it when we got soaked by that car?

Jonny 16:11 Oh. It, it's, it's the moment we walk out of the Airbnb to the taxi, and I turn to you and, and go, "It is quite cold."

Yusef 16:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:19 That's because both me and Johnny went on a night out in Iceland wearing shirts.

Jonny 16:25 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:25 Because we looked, we looked on the i- It's in November, right? Iceland, November. Shirts. Geordies. Fucking northern lads, yeah? Hard.

Jonny 16:33 "I'm going on a night out, like."

Chris Williamson 16:34 "All right. Fine, fine. I'll be fucking, I'll be fucking fine."

Jonny 16:36 "It's cool, and you pass it to me."

Yusef 16:36 We, we got our arses handed to us. Like, I, I was in a coat, and I still got my arse handed to me. Like, absolutely-

Jonny 16:41 You did have 'gitis at the time.

Yusef 16:43 (laughs) I was like, "Yeah, you, you had, you were f- filthy and dry."

Chris Williamson 16:44 I was like, "Femur-itis?"

Yusef 16:46 (laughs) Yeah.

Chris Williamson 16:46 Uh, right. Johnny, have you got one?

Jonny 16:49 (sighs) Not really.

Chris Williamson 16:51 Okay.

Jonny 16:52 A bit shite. I can say it, but it's awful.

Chris Williamson 16:54 Go on, then.

Yusef 16:55 We'll, we'll dig it out.

Jonny 16:57 Do you, uh, yeah?

Yusef 16:57 We'll-

Jonny 16:57 Diversify your personality.

Chris Williamson 17:00 Well, I mean, uh, uh, you can either elaborate this to be better or worse.

Jonny 17:03 If you say that like that, it's not awful. Isn't that shit?

Yusef 17:05 (laughs)

Jonny 17:05 No, I'll explain what I mean. Have I done this one before? Don't think so. Ringing a bell?

Yusef 17:09 No.

Jonny 17:10 You know when you have a bad day?

Chris Williamson 17:13 Happens all the time, yeah.

Jonny 17:14 Yeah. Normally it's a bad day in a domain. Right?

Yusef 17:19 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 17:19 A bad day at work, a bad day at the gym.

Jonny 17:21 So, like, people who have... Exactly. So like-

Yusef 17:22 It's only a really, really bad day if it's, like, pan-domain. (laughs)

Jonny 17:25 Like, or five.

Chris Williamson 17:26 Yeah.

Jonny 17:26 But how, how often... And that has actually happened.

Yusef 17:28 Oh, God. (laughs)

Jonny 17:29 The worst things, you have a shit day at work, you go and you can't even, like, you can't even unrack 100 kilos without being, feeling too heavy.

Chris Williamson 17:35 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 17:35 You go home, you have an argument with your girlfriend, Netflix won't work, you can't get to sleep.

Yusef 17:39 You feel so tired you just can't sleep.

Chris Williamson 17:41 No.

Yusef 17:41 Um, you... Well, I can't even remember the rest of the words.

Jonny 17:45 Put... (laughs)

Yusef 17:45 (laughs)

Jonny 17:46 But yeah, ha- So it's... I suppose it's an argument to have.

Yusef 17:49 You love so much but it goes to waste.

Jonny 17:51 Mo- s- stop, stop.

Yusef 17:52 Could it be worse?

Jonny 17:54 (laughs) No... Stop.

Yusef 17:56 But lights will guide you home.

Jonny 17:58 I've multiple... I've mult- (laughs) You... Is that like Snow Patrol?

Chris Williamson 18:00 Reading some, uh, some lyrics.

Yusef 18:02 And ignite your bones.

Chris Williamson 18:04 Yousef, please-

Yusef 18:05 But I'll be there-

Chris Williamson 18:05 Please, for the love of God, stop-

Yusef 18:07 ... to Lemma. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 18:08 Right, moving on, Johnny.

Jonny 18:10 Coldplay.

Yusef 18:10 Yeah.

Jonny 18:11 Right. Um, yeah, so...For me, something recently that I've done for this is golf.

Chris Williamson 18:19 Okay.

Yusef 18:22 Hits more win -

Jonny 18:23 It's just-

Yusef 18:24 ... than it just-

Jonny 18:24 So you have a shit day, shit time at the gym.

Chris Williamson 18:27 Why would you pick a sport like golf?

Jonny 18:29 Because-

Chris Williamson 18:29 No one, even Tiger Woods doesn't have a good time at golf.

Jonny 18:32 But like, so golf is the sort of, it, the, the reason why golf is, it's frustrating a lot of the time, but as a result, when something goes slightly well, it's amazing.

Chris Williamson 18:45 So is, is the advice to diversify your personality-

Jonny 18:48 It's not-

Chris Williamson 18:48 ... with golf?

Jonny 18:49 No, no. No, no.

Chris Williamson 18:49 Right.

Jonny 18:50 Like, you can do what you want, but like don't just have, don't just have, like, work and TV, or don't just have, like, work, the gym, and TV. Because all that's going to happen is y- y- you're exposing yourself to this situation where, as you say, if you have a shit gym session and a bad day at work, like, you've got nothing.

Chris Williamson 19:06 Who fucking cares?

Jonny 19:07 Even if it's, even if it's like play video games or play Warhammer or like something like that. Like have something where you just go into a different world for an hour-

Chris Williamson 19:16 You're right.

Jonny 19:16 ... and you're, you're progressing in that world as well as the other ones.

Chris Williamson 19:18 It's a really good point, actually. The fact that the times in my life where catastrophes hit more easily is when I haven't hedged my life across multiple domains.

Jonny 19:27 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 19:28 Like when I've let diet or training or f- friends or relationships or what, a- a- anything else go to waste and then work has a catastrophe-

Jonny 19:36 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 19:37 ... so much of my focus and my mental space is taken up at work-

Jonny 19:40 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 19:41 ... that it's like, "Well this is 99.9% of me-"

Jonny 19:45 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 19:45 "... getting annihilated here." So yeah, I like, I like the, the idea actually.

Jonny 19:48 Same with in- interests as well. Like, if something co- becomes boring or you have to not do something for a while for whatever reason.

Chris Williamson 19:54 Yeah, find that elsewhere.

Jonny 19:55 If you got like six things you're really interested in, like you love reading about, love listening to-

Yusef 19:59 So I think, I think that is the serendipitous reason for my apparent resilience with back pain, with, with back, uh, back injury, was because like the, I was competing in powerlifting, got a back injury, and because I hadn't invested 99% of my personality in being a powerlifter and having a big deadlift-

Jonny 20:19 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 20:19 ... it meant that you can then just pivot and be like, "I'll just change training goal and I'll just focus on some other things." Whereas like you do see some people, especially at powerlifting competitions, that just have gone full powerlifter-

Chris Williamson 20:30 Well, they cry if they miss a meet.

Jonny 20:32 Beard, long hair if they miss a meet.

Yusef 20:33 Yeah. Listen to metal, iron, whatever.

Chris Williamson 20:34 It's what pierced their ears with, uh, safety pins, used to play bloody knuckles in school.

Jonny 20:40 Yeah.

Yusef 20:40 It's like removing the pins.

Jonny 20:41 And then that, that goes away, it's like it's not just, "I can't be a, I'm not powerful enough anymore." It's like, "Actually-"

Chris Williamson 20:46 I'm not me.

Jonny 20:46 "... who the fuck am I?"

Chris Williamson 20:47 Yeah.

Jonny 20:47 It's, I was chatting to Jordan about this in the gym, about how something that CrossFit has going for it is you can have a shit, like you can have a shit year with your Olympic lifts but still hit PBs every session.

Chris Williamson 21:03 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 21:03 What are you laughing at?

Chris Williamson 21:04 You can be-

Yusef 21:04 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 21:05 You can be, uh, uh, weaker-

Yusef 21:06 Just tired.

Chris Williamson 21:07 You can be weaker with strength and yet complete workouts more quickly.

Jonny 21:11 Yep. So that in and of, in and of itself is diversified, whereas powerlifting, Olympic lifting, strongman less so, bodybuilding, definitely.

Chris Williamson 21:19 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 21:20 So actually, you, there's a micro and a macro di- diversification, like-

Chris Williamson 21:23 Yeah.

Yusef 21:23 ... as you've said there, with, with training for strength, just if you focus all your attention on hitting a one rep max PB-

Chris Williamson 21:29 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 21:30 ... and you don't hit one for a year, you've failed; whereas if you complete a workout faster, you get more reps, you can, you improve your form, you improve y- the number of reps you can do on a new movement, any of those things are different ways to progress.

Chris Williamson 21:43 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 21:43 You know, you reduce your rest period between two movements. All those things are other ways to hedge and still make little mini wins without...

Chris Williamson 21:52 Mm-hmm. There's levels to all of this, right? 'Cause you could take like fitness or exercise and scan out even further from that and be like, "Right, well, yeah, my powerlifting sucked but I'm also, uh, getting my fitness up by do, learning a slack line." Or whatever it might be.

Jonny 22:06 Exactly. Exactly.

Chris Williamson 22:06 So even within domains-

Jonny 22:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 22:08 ... and then within specific-

Jonny 22:10 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 22:10 ... subjects within those domains. Yeah, man, I like it. I think definitely one of the, the things that makes people weak is, uh, over-reliance on any one thing, and that includes a person, like there's nothing more scary for me than when I see the young lads that work for our, our company, and it always happens over the years, and someone ends up getting a girlfriend and it's maybe their first r- or w- serious relationship or whatever it is, and I just see them begin to linchpin more and more of their sense of self-worth around this other person. 'Cause at least if it's powerlifting or, uh, training or s- even kind of business...

Yusef 22:50 You've got a crack at being world-class at that thing.

Chris Williamson 22:52 Not, not only that, but you're in control. Like you are absolutely at the mercy of the whims of someone else. Like if they have a bad day or they decide they want something else, there's not really anything that you can do about that. So yeah, uh, uh, uh, absolutely. I mean, I think you've come up with, out of the fact you thought it might have been shit, actually that's a really good one.

Jonny 23:12 (laughs) The more I think about it, the more I'm like, "Actually, that's a really good one." But like-

Chris Williamson 23:15 The issue, the issue is how do you-

Jonny 23:17 How do you do that?

Chris Williamson 23:18 ... deploy that, like...

Jonny 23:19 Yeah. Well, I, so I think f- for me, the reason I mentioned golf is like just pick something else to spend a bit of time doing.

Chris Williamson 23:26 Yeah.

Jonny 23:27 'Cause it, it's just something that, you know when you're like stuck in your headspace of like s- things aren't going very well-

Chris Williamson 23:32 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 23:33 ... you need, uh, for me anyway, I can't sit and just watch TV and relax 'cause my mind just latches onto that other thing; whereas if I can go and do something-

Chris Williamson 23:41 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 23:42 ... where I'm-

Yusef 23:42 Golf, you still have a goal but it's outside of your frame of view (overlapping dialogue)

Jonny 23:44 Yeah. Well, it's like, it's just a little game that you put into where like for that m- period of time the only thing that matters is completely arbitrary things-

Chris Williamson 23:51 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 23:51 ... but it's all that matters.

Yusef 23:52 And when you come back to the thing you were worrying about before, it's less home range.

Jonny 23:56 Never as ba- never as bad. Never as bad.

Chris Williamson 23:56 I suppose as well when you're doing something that's relatively new, the noob gains are so...

Jonny 24:02 Huge.

Chris Williamson 24:02 Yeah.

Jonny 24:02 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:02 That's what I was saying, the, the slack lining thing, I've never become so much better...... I was having intra-session progress.

Yusef 24:12 Mm.

Chris Williamson 24:13 Like, I haven't had intra-session progress-

Yusef 24:15 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 24:15 ... in anything since I learned to muscle up in CrossFit.

Yusef 24:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:18 I started the session, couldn't, started the session, could.

Yusef 24:20 Could. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:21 Like, how many times do you do something like that, where especially as you get older, the gains are so fucking marginal that you need to look at them on a, a yearly, annual basis to even see movement?

Jonny 24:32 And it doesn't matter how pointless that thing is, whatever it is that you're doing, feeling like you're like, "I got that," is, is one of the best feelings ever.

Chris Williamson 24:39 Mm. It's an accomplishment, right?

Jonny 24:41 So just give yourself the biggest smorgasbord-

Yusef 24:45 I like it.

Jonny 24:45 ... of things to, to win on.

Yusef 24:47 Good. Lovely.

Chris Williamson 24:47 Uh, next up, two apps that will make creating content for social media infinitely easier, Canva and Unfold. So Unfold, I may have mentioned in passing before, uh, but Canva is a, a new one that I've been, uh, sent by Cam, uh, who is the person behind Sonny's website, good, uh, knowledge base for all things to do with online, uh, online content. And he uses Canva, and it is just this huge premade library of templates made by other people, like real bits of content, and they just look like professional flyers-

Jonny 25:26 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 25:27 ... uh, or Instagram stories, and you can create whatever s- r- setting you want, so a Facebook cover photo or a Facebook event photo or Instagram 916 or a square or a whatever, like all different... Twitter photos, everything, every different permutation you can think of. And the pro version has some extra features, but you don't need it, so you can get the free version and you can just customize everything. They have all of these really great looking flyers. You see one, you're like, "Fucking hell, that's mint." Then you go onto it and you can edit it, and you can just take someone else's design, rejig it a bit, and then that's your stuff. It's amazing.

Jonny 25:58 We estimate that we probably saved... It'll be, way into the thousands-

Yusef 26:02 Oh, easily.

Jonny 26:03 ... on, like, designers from using Canva.

Yusef 26:05 If we were to go back and... 'Cause we, we, we get a bit trigger happy with Canva even, but-

Chris Williamson 26:09 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 26:09 ... if we were to go back and say, like, price up all of the things we've made with Canva as if it were to be made by a designer.

Jonny 26:17 Even if it's, like, not quite as good but it, it took you, like, a minute and a half to make.

Chris Williamson 26:22 Do you do it on mobile or is there a desktop version?

Jonny 26:24 There's a web app, yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:25 Is there?

Jonny 26:25 Web version. Really good.

Yusef 26:27 Oh, I'd feel sick doing it on mobile.

Jonny 26:28 (laughs)

Yusef 26:28 I, I just can't do anything on a mobile. Like, I, I think-

Chris Williamson 26:30 You do have the smallest iPhone.

Jonny 26:31 You know who's getting the 11? Do you know about this?

Chris Williamson 26:34 Me?

Yusef 26:34 Next week, yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:35 Amazing.

Jonny 26:35 Doesn't that... Isn't that... I, like, I'm still, I, I've been thinking about that probably every 30 minutes.

Yusef 26:40 It'll be a full, full device upgrade, won't it? 'Cause-

Jonny 26:42 But I, I'm, I'm just amazed that you're not going for, like, the 7D4 or something.

Yusef 26:46 (laughs)

Jonny 26:47 You know what I mean? Like, you're going for the-

Yusef 26:48 I just think it's... I'm due for an upgrade. It's, it's time to-

Jonny 26:50 You're going for the mainstream, the one that's just been launched.

Yusef 26:54 It's quite cheap. It's cheaper than the XR.

Jonny 26:56 Really?

Chris Williamson 26:57 Not the 11 Pro. So there's a Pro.

Yusef 26:59 Ah, yeah, there's like-

Chris Williamson 27:00 And then there's a normal one.

Jonny 27:00 So the 11's cheaper than the XR?

Chris Williamson 27:03 Uh, it'll be cheaper than the XS and probably a lot cheaper than the XR.

Yusef 27:06 Cheaper than the XR was? The XS is the bigger one.

Chris Williamson 27:09 Yeah.

Yusef 27:09 XR is the cheaper one?

Chris Williamson 27:10 No, X... It's the XS Max that's the bigger one.

Yusef 27:14 Oh, God. Yeah.

Jonny 27:15 XS is smaller than the XR.

Chris Williamson 27:16 I think they're both the same size.

Jonny 27:19 So I think it's... Do you know the answers?

Chris Williamson 27:21 I can hear Dean-

Jonny 27:21 Do you know the answers?

Chris Williamson 27:22 ... breathing.

Yusef 27:22 It's, it's-

Chris Williamson 27:22 I can hear Dean breathing.

Jonny 27:23 I'm gonna say thing... Something that I think is right, and Dean's gonna nod if, if it's right. So the XS, then it's the XR, then it's the XS Max, in terms of size, and the X is the same size as the XS.

Yusef 27:35 Dean is just disappointed.

Jonny 27:37 Am, am I wrong? 10X.

Yusef 27:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 27:41 Anyway, moving on.

Yusef 27:42 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 27:42 Uh, Seth, what's your next life hack?

Yusef 27:44 So we'll go for another digital one.

Chris Williamson 27:46 Yeah.

Jonny 27:46 Bean soup.

Yusef 27:48 (laughs) Brave browser. Did we discuss this last time?

Chris Williamson 27:51 No.

Yusef 27:51 No.

Jonny 27:52 Bean pie.

Yusef 27:53 So this is in... I mean it's-

Jonny 27:56 Bean casserole.

Yusef 27:57 Bean casserole. This is a, basically Chrome. Now, it's, it's a different browser. I resist the idea of using a new browser because you think like, "Oh, I've got all the favorites and bookmarks set up and, and all the extensions. It's going to be a ball ache to switch over." But Brave is essentially Chrome, plus privacy improvements and speed improvements. So it was seamless. Like, you open it up and it just, it ports everything over from Chrome, but it's just faster, stops all kinds of pop-ups and ads and all that kind of stuff. And it's just quicker. And it looks nicer. It has a really cool logo.

Chris Williamson 28:30 (laughs)

Yusef 28:31 So, um, I made the switch. Much more, um, amenable to that than something like Firefox or Opera or-

Chris Williamson 28:39 Fucking hell. Have you ever gone back and used Firefox or Opera now?

Yusef 28:42 Ugh.

Chris Williamson 28:42 Or Windows, uh, Internet Explorer?

Yusef 28:45 I have to use Windows Explorer in hospital and it is infuriating.

Jonny 28:49 Fuck me. I just think there's a...

Yusef 28:52 (laughs)

Jonny 28:53 What's... So what's the problem with Chrome?

Yusef 28:55 Chrome... So the interview that Chris did recently with the Facebook mentor, what was his name?

Chris Williamson 29:01 Roger McNamee.

Yusef 29:02 Roger McNamee was just saying if you have an Android device or anything Google... He thinks Google is the most insidious company because he says, like, an Android device is effectively a scout data vacuum for just-

Jonny 29:14 (laughs)

Yusef 29:14 ... any... And, and it's just totally shameless. It will just take-

Chris Williamson 29:17 Mm.

Yusef 29:17 ... anything that you... that is within reach. Even if you're, like, relatives and people who don't even have, like...

Chris Williamson 29:24 Yeah, he was... He ga- he gave some pretty scary stats about the fact that Google's able... Google and Facebook are able to make profiles about people who don't have accounts. So if multiple people are referencing the same person or trying to tag them or do whatever-

Jonny 29:37 They cross-reference it.

Chris Williamson 29:37 ... it will create a profile of this person pending their, like, appearance within the sphere.

Jonny 29:45 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 29:45 Yeah.

Jonny 29:45 You know they have something... I think it's Google has something called the creepy line. Have you heard about this?

Yusef 29:49 The creepy line?

Chris Williamson 29:50 No, what's this?

Jonny 29:50 Yeah. Of, like, what... This, this is a program, I think it's called Do You Trust This Computer? It's on Amazon Prime.

Yusef 29:54 Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 29:55 Um, that these big tech companies have. Rather than worrying about, like, data privacy, they call it the creepy line. So it's like, at what point-

Yusef 30:03 Oh.

Jonny 30:03 ... is this deemed a bit much?

Chris Williamson 30:06 Mm.

Yusef 30:06 Right.

Jonny 30:07 But obviously that is completely-

Yusef 30:08 Subjective moral line of like... That's interesting.

Chris Williamson 30:12 I, I don't know.

Yusef 30:12 So-

Jonny 30:12 I, I quite tr-... I don't know why, maybe it's misplaced, but I feel quite comfortable with Google.

Guest 30:16 ... the, they're a great company for what they offer, the service that they do.

Chris Williamson 30:19 Mm-hmm.

Guest 30:19 But, but I, I do think like, it, it's annoying because I, I really want to love Safari, but it just doesn't have the functionality-

Chris Williamson 30:27 It's just not quite the same.

Guest 30:28 ... and speed of... Yeah. Of Chrome.

Chris Williamson 30:29 Yeah. Safari would've been great because it would've tied in all the stuff for me on mobile.

Guest 30:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 30:33 Spent so much time on mobile, I've got all of my presets on there. So I have to have passwords all saved for desktop through Chrome, then passwords all saved on... So it's, it's-

Guest 30:42 Well, I use LastPass on Chrome, and then like Safari has all the native Apple password stuff in it almost.

Chris Williamson 30:48 Which is fucking great. Yeah.

Guest 30:49 So do you use Safari on your phone? No, I use Brave on my phone as well.

Chris Williamson 30:52 Oh, so you've switched across on there as well?

Guest 30:53 So fully, fully moved over and-

Chris Williamson 30:55 This is-

Guest 30:55 ... no regrets. So this is the, this is the genesis-

Chris Williamson 30:57 Of the-

Guest 30:58 ... of a Scoby problem.

Chris Williamson 30:59 It is.

Guest 30:59 It possibly is.

Chris Williamson 31:00 We're watching... Either the genesis of a Scoby problem or in six months' time, we'll both be using-

Guest 31:03 But, but the thing is, you, you just feel like using Chrome. Like that, that's... It, it, it's not like using-

Chris Williamson 31:07 That, that's exactly what the genesis of a Scoby problem would say.

Guest 31:09 Oh, okay. Maybe, yeah.

Chris Williamson 31:10 What's, what's their motive? What is Brave Browser trying to do?

Guest 31:14 That's, that is a good point.

Chris Williamson 31:15 Sell your data to Google.

Guest 31:17 It's like... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:17 Probably.

Guest 31:17 Can you imagine?

Chris Williamson 31:18 So ironically, probably that is exactly what they're trying to do. Right. Johnny, do you want to do one or... I've got f- I've got millions of them.

Guest 31:24 I've got one that's, uh, that's really new and I probably don't... This is the same, I feel like I always recommend stuff like this.

Chris Williamson 31:30 Untested. Um, throw us out, throw us out a 0.5 version. Come on.

Guest 31:34 The Ready State.

Chris Williamson 31:36 Peak state.

Guest 31:36 Peak state. So Chris went to America. Chris came back from America and told me to stop doing ROM WOD. Which was a very sad day, but it was Steve McGill, right, saying, "Bendy bendy combined with fatigued-based heavy lifting, bad idea."

Chris Williamson 31:55 Heavy lifting. I think that-

Guest 31:56 But I do it.

Chris Williamson 31:56 I think that for some types of, uh, physiologies, ROM WOD can create a environment which predisposes you to injury in CrossFit.

Guest 32:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 32:07 And I think that myself and you have that particular type of body.

Guest 32:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 32:11 So I advised Johnny for a l- for a period to stick to doing some more stiffening of the spine rather than, uh, increasing flexibility in the spine.

Guest 32:19 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 32:20 Um, which you did, but mornings without stretch... Even I now, as someone who is fully dedicated to back rehab and like (sighs) I'd just love to just lie and-

Guest 32:30 Just do some ROM WOD.

Chris Williamson 32:30 ... get that stretch response on the morning, yeah. I miss ROM WOD a lot.

Guest 32:33 I think part of what we got from it is the, is the relaxation, the mental benefit, rather than the...

Chris Williamson 32:37 Focus on the breath.

Guest 32:38 You don't, you don't really change anything.

Chris Williamson 32:40 Yeah.

Guest 32:40 Or well, you don't like stand up and think, "Man, I've got so much more range of motion in this joint."

Chris Williamson 32:45 Mm-hmm.

Guest 32:45 You just feel a bit better. Um, Kelly Starrett had the Mobility WOD, launched it like 10 years ago.

Chris Williamson 32:54 M WOD, yeah.

Guest 32:55 M WOD. Been around a long time. It's kind of morphed over the years from being very scatter gun YouTube videos that were all over the place to apps that were trying to program things, but there wasn't really any logic to the programming. I've tried his app several times and left it 'cause it just isn't what you want.

Chris Williamson 33:14 Mm-hmm.

Guest 33:14 He's completely rebranded, I think-

Chris Williamson 33:17 The Ready State.

Guest 33:18 The Ready State. I think his wife is now the CEO and he's basically the talent.

Chris Williamson 33:22 Got it.

Guest 33:22 So like he's the front, front guy, but he's not allowed to do any of the ops (laughs) because I think he just gets too excited.

Chris Williamson 33:28 Okay.

Guest 33:28 But now there is, um, basically in the app, there's a 14-day free trial, pre-workout, post-workout, daily maintenance. You pick the time you've got available, you pick the equipment you've got access to, and it's just fully guided as well.

Chris Williamson 33:45 Interesting.

Guest 33:45 Rather than how it used to be, which was like-

Chris Williamson 33:48 Instructions.

Guest 33:49 ... "Put this ball in your hip for 10 minutes." "All right, see you later." And you're like, "All right." Okay.

Chris Williamson 33:52 All right. Well, thankfully, Doctor McGill introduced me to Kelly Starrett, so he's coming on Modern Wisdom.

Guest 33:57 That's exciting.

Chris Williamson 33:57 November.

Guest 33:58 That is exciting.

Chris Williamson 33:59 I think it's like November 10th.

Guest 34:00 He is a funny man.

Chris Williamson 34:01 I'm excited to speak to him man. He seems like a real character.

Guest 34:04 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:04 Uh, which, which I think will be, will be cool. Uh, also got Dave Tate. Uh, also-

Guest 34:10 Fuck's sake.

Chris Williamson 34:10 Also got, uh, Aubrey Marcus.

Guest 34:13 Whoa.

Chris Williamson 34:13 Also got the, uh, Rob, the guy behind Strength First, Pawel's, Pawel's-

Guest 34:21 Tatsuline. Oh, okay. Tatsuline.

Chris Williamson 34:22 Tatsuline. I've got hi- the, the director of strength. Director of strength.

Guest 34:27 (laughs) What a job title.

Chris Williamson 34:28 Fuck me. You better be strong. Anyway, got some cool, got some cool people coming in.

Guest 34:32 He'll be strong, but in really niche things like a kettle-

Chris Williamson 34:34 Upright row.

Guest 34:35 ... kettlebell bean and jerk or something like that.

Chris Williamson 34:37 Upright-

Guest 34:37 Turkish getup. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:38 Oh, yeah.

Guest 34:38 Have a big Turkish getup. Massive one-off.

Chris Williamson 34:40 I have got an absolute fucking belter next. Is everyone ready?

Guest 34:44 Let's do this.

Chris Williamson 34:45 Right, so um, this is a tactic which you will both have been subject to. Uh, and it is create group chats for people that you're introducing. So let's say that I need to introduce Youssef to a masseuse. He wants to get a massage from someone that I use. I then, rather than being like, "Here's the thing," or send him an email and then copy them both in, I'll just create a group chat. "Hi, people. Hi, two people. This is this. This is why he's here. Um, I'll leave you two to crack on." Then just immediately exit the group. And it's a really nice way of, within a minute, just condensing down the entire task of whatever it is that you need to do and then you leave those two people to crack on. You've given both of them each other's phone number, so it's not like, "Hang on. Who's this person that's texting me? Oh, it must have been this, this, this." And you... It's j- it's easy. It's seamless.

Guest 35:36 For, for extra amusement as well, you can just do it between two random people and just watch them watch the groups.

Chris Williamson 35:40 And claim that they both have skills that neither of them have.

Guest 35:43 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:43 There was something I saw that I think I sent you, a guy that... on Facebook, where he added everybody on Facebook with the same name as him.

Guest 35:49 It was all the Addys in this, wasn't it?

Chris Williamson 35:50 I've been added too. I've been added to-

Guest 35:52 Yeah, Chris Williamson group.

Chris Williamson 35:53 ... a group of Christopher Williamsons, yeah.

Guest 35:55 And then like, some... The guy's written like, "Well, well, well. How's everybody doing?" (laughs) And then someone's written like, "Fuck off, you prick," or something like that. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:01 (laughs)

Guest 36:01 The first, the first response was just that.

Chris Williamson 36:03 Brilliant. Wow.

Guest 36:04 Um, yeah. It... 'Cause well, I did it recently, I, I tried to include an Alex Williams in a, in a thread-

Chris Williamson 36:11 (gasps) That's brilliant.

Guest 36:11 ... and it was just someone else called Alex Williams. And I, I thought like, "Oh, this is fine." And then Johnny sent me a text later that day-

Yusef 36:18 ... of just this guy on a beach. Like, "Do you know this man?" I'm like, "No." He was like, "That's who you've added to the, the thread on (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:24 It wasn't the person.

Jonny 36:25 Big, muscular man.

Chris Williamson 36:26 Was there anything, uh-

Yusef 36:29 Sen-

Chris Williamson 36:29 Confidential? Yeah.

Jonny 36:30 No.

Chris Williamson 36:30 Oh, okay.

Jonny 36:31 No data. No personal data.

Chris Williamson 36:33 Okay, right, Yusuf.

Yusef 36:35 I recently bought a water flosser.

Chris Williamson 36:38 Oh, wow. Okay, so-

Yusef 36:39 So, so-

Chris Williamson 36:39 ... this is, we've gone from flossing in the shower-

Yusef 36:42 Yeah. I've, I've s- I've doubled down on flossing recently.

Chris Williamson 36:45 Wow, okay.

Yusef 36:45 I think-

Jonny 36:46 'Cause of the deflation.

Yusef 36:47 'Cause of the deflation. It, this was after having a chat with Dean St Maud, who is a man, he's a pharmacolog- pharmacologist?

Jonny 36:54 He's Irish, muscular-

Yusef 36:56 Chem-

Jonny 36:56 ... lean.

Yusef 36:57 ... chemical-

Jonny 36:57 Clubber.

Yusef 36:57 ... pharmacologist man with a PhD. Knows a lot about supplements, drugs, bodybuilding.

Chris Williamson 37:04 Okay.

Yusef 37:04 That kind of thing. And he said the highest yield thing you can do to reduce your CRP, which is an indicat- uh, uh, indicator of inflammation, is flossing.

Chris Williamson 37:12 C-reactive protein.

Yusef 37:14 Protein, yeah. So I thought-

Chris Williamson 37:15 That's deflation.

Yusef 37:17 ... floss, but then you run into the problem of PFAS, P-F-A-S, which is a, some kind of polyfluoro whatever in floss that leaks into your bloodstream. Estrogenic.

Chris Williamson 37:28 F- fucking hell.

Yusef 37:30 So-

Chris Williamson 37:30 You, you and estrogen are just at a, a war.

Yusef 37:33 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:33 A constant war at the moment.

Yusef 37:34 I'm running away from estrogen. I'm like the snake eating my tail. So, um, I thought, right, water doesn't have eis- well, it does have estrogen in actually.

Chris Williamson 37:41 (laughs) Filtered water.

Yusef 37:43 Filter- yeah. But, um-

Jonny 37:45 Even that-

Yusef 37:45 ... this is a, this is a, a device, obviously made in China, that you press and you fill it with water and it just goes (imitates device whirring) . But it's so powerful. Like, I tested it and put it, like held it just against the wall, and it went like up against the back wall of the bathroom, but with no drop in pressure. And it was like pff against the wall.

Chris Williamson 38:04 Oh, God.

Jonny 38:04 Is it battery powered?

Yusef 38:05 Battery powered, yeah.

Jonny 38:06 Okay.

Yusef 38:06 And so you can recharge it. And so I put it in my mouth, and like tried to ... and you're just bleeding all over your mouth t- on the first time you do it.

Chris Williamson 38:13 Sounds great.

Yusef 38:14 Um-

Jonny 38:14 Yeah, that does sound really ... how much are they?

Yusef 38:16 £21.

Jonny 38:18 Sold.

Yusef 38:18 Really? The, the, the-

Chris Williamson 38:20 It sounds fantastic.

Yusef 38:21 ... the bleeding got you to, like-

Jonny 38:22 Because it, I don't know why, like just-

Chris Williamson 38:24 Clean.

Jonny 38:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Yusef 38:26 But the thing, but it was only, like only bleeding and not traumatic bleeding, but just like the same way-

Jonny 38:28 Like, I really wanna just get in there, you know?

Yusef 38:30 Oh, it's lovely.

Jonny 38:30 Just really get in amongst it.

Yusef 38:31 The same way as like when you floss for the first time in like a week or two, and it, and it, it's a bit bleedy.

Jonny 38:36 Mm-hmm. But the wa- mm. But have you got, have you got like a brand of water flosser?

Yusef 38:41 Um, Waterpik is the gold standard one. That's quite expensive. I've got a bean version.

Chris Williamson 38:46 What's it, can you re- is it water-

Yusef 38:48 Water...

Chris Williamson 38:48 I was (laughs) thought you were about to say something really rude there.

Yusef 38:52 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 38:53 Water what?

Yusef 38:53 Uh-

Jonny 38:53 Water bean.

Yusef 38:53 I will tell you the one that I got. It was Amazon's choice.

Chris Williamson 38:57 Okay.

Yusef 38:57 So this was-

Chris Williamson 38:57 Ah, right. Fine. People, people will be able to find that.

Yusef 38:59 Yeah.

Jonny 39:00 Uh, was this like a dental recommendation or something? Or-

Yusef 39:03 Uh, I asked a couple of dentists and they had mixed opinions on it. Okay, it's called Fairy Will water flosser four-

Jonny 39:08 You can get a Waterpik from ASDA for 40 quid.

Yusef 39:11 Oh, you know what? Spend the extra, spend the extra 20 quid and get a Waterpik.

Chris Williamson 39:14 If there's any ... sorry. If, if there's any, uh, dentists who are listening, David Breton, you might be listening, or a couple of other dentists, anyone who is, uh ... can you tell us whether or not water flossing ... give us the lowdown from the experts area please? Uh, that's a good one. Johnny, have you got something or do you want me to go?

Jonny 39:31 Uh, I just had something a moment ago.

Chris Williamson 39:33 Okay.

Jonny 39:34 But I can't remember what it is.

Chris Williamson 39:35 Nope?

Jonny 39:43 Oh, no, I've got it.

Chris Williamson 39:44 Yes.

Jonny 39:45 Yes.

Chris Williamson 39:45 Nice. You love it when that happens.

Jonny 39:46 That is the best feeling in the world, isn't it?

Yusef 39:48 Especially in this high pressure situation with the lights on.

Jonny 39:51 Hang on.

Chris Williamson 39:51 I know, man. Thousands of people watching you, and you've just me- you've pulled it out the bag.

Jonny 39:54 There's an Alan Partridge-

Chris Williamson 39:55 That's a three, that's a three pointer from the halfway line that is, innit?

Jonny 39:58 It is. It is, yeah. There's an Alan Partridge episode on Mid Morning Matters where he does that, and he's on radio, and he goes like, "What did I have for lunch?" And the guy's going, "You had..." (laughs) I can't remember. I can't remember.

Chris Williamson 40:11 And then he just goes on for ages.

Jonny 40:13 Just goes for ages. Um, so this is from, via Paul Mort, via a book that he read, which I'm not sure what the book is called. (laughs) Um, I think it's called like The Happiness Experiment or something. But it's to create a happiness buffet.

Yusef 40:31 Equation. Happiness equation.

Jonny 40:32 May- yeah.

Yusef 40:33 Yeah.

Jonny 40:33 Yeah, okay. Um, so, um, basically ...

Yusef 40:38 My brother's listening to that at the moment.

Jonny 40:39 Is he really?

Yusef 40:40 I, I listened to a bit of it in the car. He's on Audible. I was so proud of him.

Chris Williamson 40:44 That's cool.

Jonny 40:45 That is cool.

Chris Williamson 40:45 Okay.

Jonny 40:45 Um, bas- it's really simple. Basically just make a list of things that make you happy. Sit and consider that. Like, "I am happiness. I am happiness."

Yusef 40:55 I heard that bit of the book.

Jonny 40:56 "I am happiest when," and then list those things.

Yusef 41:00 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 41:00 And then prioritize them in your schedule. Super fucking simple.

Chris Williamson 41:04 What would s- what would your things be? What would some things that would appear in your top ten?

Jonny 41:08 So spending ... it, for me, it's normally spending time with people.

Chris Williamson 41:11 Okay.

Jonny 41:12 Almost always. "And funnily enough, even creating the list of things that make you happy-"

Yusef 41:19 (laughs)

Jonny 41:19 "... is a happiness inducing task."

Chris Williamson 41:22 (laughs)

Jonny 41:23 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:23 Is that the guy?

Yusef 41:24 Yeah. He's Egyptian.

Jonny 41:25 Oh, nice. Is he?

Chris Williamson 41:25 Oh, is he really?

Yusef 41:26 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 41:27 Bless you.

Jonny 41:29 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:30 Um-

Jonny 41:31 But it's, it's a tough one. It is a tough one: just-

Chris Williamson 41:32 Well, ask- w- what else would you add on that one? What-

Jonny 41:34 Watching comedy.

Chris Williamson 41:35 Yep.

Jonny 41:35 So now here's something else. Oh, fucking hell. It's all coming out.

Chris Williamson 41:38 "I've been a- I've been a bloke."

Jonny 41:38 "These things could be as simple as smelling the flowers." No, no. Shit.

Chris Williamson 41:42 "Or it could be the fulfillment you have at your work."

Jonny 41:46 Also shit.

Chris Williamson 41:47 "Or it could be spending time with your wife." Yeah. Average.

Jonny 41:50 (laughs) Um, something that came for me was, and this is all, this is a sort- a secondary life hack. Normally, my morning routine, I'll go downstairs, I'll meditate, do those sorts of things. Becca comes down, puts BBC News on, right? Fucking, it's like the death march.

Yusef 42:09 (buzzing sound)

Chris Williamson 42:13 Stop it.

Yusef 42:13 (buzzing sound)

Jonny 42:14 Stop it.

Chris Williamson 42:15 It's true.

Jonny 42:16 Um, so instead of that now, I just put a little bit of comedy on.... on a morning.

Yusef 42:21 Instead of BBC News? You put the headphones in?

Jonny 42:22 What way to start your day. You can either be told that, like, Brexit's happening and everything's bad, or you can watch a bit of Peep Show. Just a little bit of Peep Show.

Yusef 42:30 So, do you block BBC News?

Jonny 42:32 No, I don't, I don't block it, I just put that on instead.

Yusef 42:34 Okay.

Chris Williamson 42:34 Have you seen the new Dave Chappelle? Sticks and Stones?

Jonny 42:37 No, on Netflix?

Chris Williamson 42:37 Yeah.

Jonny 42:38 I've not, but I've heard good things about it.

Yusef 42:38 Were we talking about the reviews for this?

Chris Williamson 42:41 Not me, but, uh, it's been touted around that it had zero, zero, uh, tomatoes on Rotten Tomatoes on the critics-

Jonny 42:47 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 42:47 ... on the critic side, and then had 100% on the viewer side (laughs) .

Jonny 42:50 Oh, okay, right.

Chris Williamson 42:51 Like... (laughs)

Jonny 42:52 So is it, is it good?

Chris Williamson 42:53 I haven't seen it yet.

Jonny 42:54 Okay.

Chris Williamson 42:54 That's why I was asking if you'd seen it.

Yusef 42:55 Statistically, yes.

Jonny 42:55 But, like, re-rewatching, like, so while I'm doing my already state, right? I'll just rewatch just a little bit of Malcolm Tucker.

Chris Williamson 43:02 Peep show.

Jonny 43:02 Just a little bit of it. What, uh, the best way to start your day is to have a bit of a laugh.

Yusef 43:07 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 43:08 And your dog.

Chris Williamson 43:09 And just your dog. You should get a dog today. Going back to old life hacks.

Jonny 43:11 Go get a dog?

Chris Williamson 43:12 Get a dog. Really nice.

Jonny 43:12 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 43:12 Really... Like a little bear, actually.

Yusef 43:14 Good look. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 43:15 Little black bear with a mustache.

Jonny 43:18 (laughs) Tiny little poodle.

Chris Williamson 43:19 It looks nice.

Jonny 43:19 Spend time with him. Do, do you throw anything to him? Dress him up? Buy him a big broccoli? Hold, hold my huge broccoli. It's bigger than him.

Yusef 43:25 I really enjoyed the big broccoli.

Jonny 43:27 So... Not more than him. I guarantee you, he likes the broccoli more than you like it.

Narrator 43:31 Um-

Jonny 43:31 Considering I am flying by the-

Chris Williamson 43:33 The seat of your-

Jonny 43:34 ... seat of my pants-

Chris Williamson 43:35 Yeah, you're running on empty.

Yusef 43:35 He's doing pretty well.

Chris Williamson 43:36 Yeah, yeah.

Yusef 43:36 Coming out with some...

Chris Williamson 43:38 Okay. So, um, I've had this question asked a couple of times, so I'm going to give it out. Uh, the favorite moisturizer that I use is Clarins For Men Super Moisture Gel.

Yusef 43:47 Ooh.

Chris Williamson 43:47 So I've used this... It was, like, a housemate that I lived with 10 years ago, Adam, uh, who used it and introduced me to it. And I was like, "Seems to be okay, doesn't make me too greasy. Doesn't do anything else." And I've now used it pretty much non-stop for 10 years. Um...

Yusef 44:06 What's a bit of your body that you've moisturized in the last 24 hours?

Chris Williamson 44:10 Face.

Yusef 44:12 Soft.

Chris Williamson 44:13 Soft face.

Jonny 44:14 Thank you.

Chris Williamson 44:14 What if I said scrotum?

Jonny 44:15 Do you moisturize any, do you moisturize anywhere else?

Chris Williamson 44:17 No.

Jonny 44:17 For the same thing?

Chris Williamson 44:17 No. So, I don't... I'm not bothered with that. However-

Yusef 44:20 Don't moisturize your scrotum though. It's rude.

Chris Williamson 44:22 I remember you need it to be smooth, isn't it?

Jonny 44:24 Moisten up, yeah.

Chris Williamson 44:24 Very moist. Uh, one thing I-

Jonny 44:27 Vinegary.

Chris Williamson 44:27 One thing that I remember being told-

Jonny 44:28 Vinegary. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 44:29 One thing that I remember being told by, uh, a friend who was, uh, studying dermatology at uni, and their argument was the earlier that you start moisturizing, the better.

Jonny 44:42 Oh.

Yusef 44:42 Putting money in your pension, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 44:43 Reversing-

Yusef 44:44 Compounds.

Chris Williamson 44:44 Reversing wrinkles is quite difficult, but slowing the onset apparently is quite easy. Any dermatologists or anyone who knows what the fuck they're talking about, please correct me in the comments below. But, um, yeah, I've moisturized for the last 10 years with this same product essentially, uh, and it's all right.

Yusef 45:02 That's good.

Chris Williamson 45:02 Managed to shave a couple of months off how old I look.

Yusef 45:05 The common doctor's recommendation is DIPRA-Base.

Chris Williamson 45:08 Okay.

Jonny 45:09 Isn't that a bit much?

Yusef 45:10 I've never used it.

Chris Williamson 45:10 What is it?

Yusef 45:11 It's just moi- standard moisturizer.

Jonny 45:13 Like an emollient, isn't it though?

Yusef 45:14 Yeah, a emollient cream. It's not, um, a... It's for dry skin rather than-

Jonny 45:18 Yeah.

Yusef 45:18 ... than just... Um, it is not a steroid. It's just a...

Chris Williamson 45:23 I think you need to be very, like, people's skins react really differently.

Jonny 45:28 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:28 I know that I went through a big period of trying all sorts of different products until I found this one, which-

Jonny 45:33 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 45:34 ... seems to not be too heavy, not be too light. It's absorbed sufficiently.

Jonny 45:36 The fine line for me, I find sometimes if I moisturize my face, I get spots or my skin goes dry or greasy.

Chris Williamson 45:42 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 45:42 Some days... So, uh, it's... I feel like I'm constantly, almost like-

Chris Williamson 45:46 Playing with...

Jonny 45:47 ... a thing that's on hold.

Chris Williamson 45:47 And I think, I think that's because you've got... I don't think you've got the right moisturizer. I think the right daily moisturizer should be able to be used every day without you having any adverse effects. So how do you-

Yusef 45:55 But there must be something about skin type, whether you've got oily or dry skin.

Jonny 45:58 Yeah.

Yusef 45:59 So, Aveeno Oat "Milke" is meant to be good for-

Jonny 46:02 Yeah, Becky uses that.

Yusef 46:03 Oh, okay.

Jonny 46:03 Yeah. Smells minty though.

Yusef 46:05 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:05 Does it?

Jonny 46:06 Well, it smells like oats.

Chris Williamson 46:06 It might taste like oat milk.

Jonny 46:08 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:08 No, thanks. Noat milk.

Yusef 46:10 Noat milk.

Jonny 46:12 Noat milk.

Chris Williamson 46:12 No-

Jonny 46:12 No oat milk.

Chris Williamson 46:14 ... oat milk.

Jonny 46:14 So how... Okay, I'm listening to this.

Chris Williamson 46:16 Yep.

Jonny 46:17 I'm just about to turn 30. I'm thinking, "Fucking hell, I should moisturize."

Chris Williamson 46:21 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 46:21 How do I go about finding one that suits me?

Chris Williamson 46:23 Clarins Super Moisture Gel, try that first.

Jonny 46:25 (laughs) Okay. I suppose there's-

Chris Williamson 46:28 There's one person that can say to you-

Jonny 46:29 ... it's not worth it.

Chris Williamson 46:29 ... that it is perfect.

Jonny 46:30 Is it not like... Is Clarins not like 125 quid or something?

Chris Williamson 46:33 It's 30, £30.

Jonny 46:34 For a thimble.

Chris Williamson 46:35 £30 for an amount which will last you around about three to four months.

Jonny 46:39 Okay.

Chris Williamson 46:40 So it's not super cheap. If you're spending 100 quid a year-

Jonny 46:42 Is it, is it a pee, pee amount then, between the fingertips?

Chris Williamson 46:45 I use six pumps out the top.

Jonny 46:47 Six pumps?

Chris Williamson 46:47 Yeah.

Jonny 46:47 Per day?

Chris Williamson 46:49 Yeah, but it's... They're really small. Like, you need to... And that's still not... They barely get around, but it's a fairly good sized tube. I think it's meant for people that want to be frugal with it, 'cause it's quite nice.

Jonny 46:58 Right.

Chris Williamson 46:58 But, yeah.

Jonny 46:59 Okay.

Chris Williamson 47:00 Six pumps, that's about three months, about £30. So 10-15 quid a month.

Jonny 47:04 How much do you get?

Chris Williamson 47:05 Like...

Jonny 47:05 For a nice face though.

Chris Williamson 47:07 I know.

Jonny 47:07 Nice face.

Chris Williamson 47:07 I mean, it's one of the things-

Jonny 47:08 I think most people see your face.

Chris Williamson 47:09 It's really... It's up there, isn't it? It's your advertising board. It's your grill.

Jonny 47:13 You're going to say it's got estrogen in, aren't you?

Yusef 47:16 May well do.

Chris Williamson 47:17 Everything does.

Jonny 47:17 It will do, yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:18 But then you tried to reduce.

Yusef 47:19 Perfect.

Chris Williamson 47:20 You tried, you tried to reduce your estrogen for months.

Yusef 47:21 I did.

Chris Williamson 47:22 And it went up.

Yusef 47:22 Very hard to do.

Chris Williamson 47:23 It went up.

Yusef 47:25 We know why it went up though.

Chris Williamson 47:26 Why?

Yusef 47:27 So, because that, that's endogenous estrogen compared to... So my SHBG went down.

Chris Williamson 47:32 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 47:32 Estrogen... It's not as simple as, like, reduce estrogen.

Chris Williamson 47:36 Do not do an estrogen... Do not ring me and tell me...

Yusef 47:39 Doesn't understand. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:42 Yeah.

Yusef 47:42 Um, so mine was-

Jonny 47:45 Digital?

Yusef 47:46 Yeah, it is... It's digital, but I feel very late to this party because I've only really played around properly with Apple Health.

Chris Williamson 47:57 Okay.

Yusef 47:57 As of two days ago. Because-

Chris Williamson 47:59 I've barely used it.

Yusef 48:00 That's it. I was aware that it, like, it tracks you, your steps and it has all these features, and I was like, "Oh, I don't have any devices that really do that."

Chris Williamson 48:07 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 48:07 Then I was like, actually... Chris gave me a Withings watch-

Chris Williamson 48:11 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 48:11 ... that syncs with your scales. Or Nokia now, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 48:15 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 48:15 Um, so it gives you... You have your daily weight, you have your heart rate from the watch, and you have a step count either from the watch or from your phone.... plus, if you track your meditation, and if you're an avid Lifehack listener, and you've been using Insight Timer to track your total meditation volume, it pulls the data from that as well.

Chris Williamson 48:34 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 48:34 So actually now, I've got, on Apple Health, steps, heart rate, m- total meditation time-

Chris Williamson 48:42 Using sleep cycle?

Yusef 48:44 Uh, no, but I should do, 'cause I think it-

Chris Williamson 48:47 So you don't have your, don't have your phone in your room. It's not an, it's not a sacrifice that you want to make.

Yusef 48:51 Uh, yeah. That's, it's a trade-off, isn't it? I still have my phone in my room just 'cause I, I don't have anywhere else to, to put it. But yeah, that's, that's where-

Jonny 48:58 That's not true.

Yusef 48:58 ... Li- Lifehacks.

Chris Williamson 48:59 You have an entire house, mate.

Yusef 49:00 Yeah, I need to get-

Chris Williamson 49:01 I've been there.

Yusef 49:01 ... an alarm clock. Um-

Jonny 49:02 Oh, I see.

Yusef 49:03 But, but yeah. That's-

Jonny 49:04 So-

Yusef 49:04 ... that's why.

Jonny 49:04 ... mindful minutes.

Yusef 49:06 Mindful minutes. And then if, obviously if you've got, like, a, a Whoop band or a Fitbit

Jonny 49:09 It, uh, Whoop doesn't time, does it?

Chris Williamson 49:11 Yeah. Whoop does its own...

Jonny 49:11 Whoop doesn't, Whoop doesn't speak to Apple Health.

Yusef 49:13 Really?

Chris Williamson 49:13 Yeah, 'cause Whoop wants to keep you on the app.

Yusef 49:16 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 49:16 Whoop doesn't create hard data. It uploads to a server, and there's no way that they'd give the API to Apple so that you could then ... 'Cause then you'd have the data.

Jonny 49:23 You can't even download the data, can you, from Whoop?

Chris Williamson 49:26 Have you been on the desktop version of Whoop?

Jonny 49:28 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 49:29 Uh, it's really hardcore, that.

Jonny 49:30 I mean, if you want to see what's going on.

Chris Williamson 49:32 Fucking get on the desktop version of Whoop.

Jonny 49:34 Then, then you'll know what's going on.

Yusef 49:35 Uh, yeah, no.

Jonny 49:35 Like, it tracks ... I was gonna ... I've been meaning to ask you about this. It, it knows my respiratory rate.

Yusef 49:41 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 49:41 Now, is that how many breaths I take per minute?

Yusef 49:44 Yeah.

Jonny 49:45 How could it know that?

Yusef 49:46 Does it ... So it tracks heart rate variability.

Jonny 49:48 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 49:48 Yeah, it's based on that.

Yusef 49:49 So, it, it'll derive that. 'Cause when you breathe in and out, you have sinus rhythm, sinus arrhythmia, which is-

Jonny 49:55 Bum, bum, bum, bum? Bum, bum, bum, bum?

Yusef 49:56 Yeah.

Jonny 49:58 Right. So it's basing your HRV, it's basing your respiratory rate on your HRV?

Yusef 50:03 Probably.

Chris Williamson 50:04 'Cause there'll be a cadence to your HRV, right?

Yusef 50:07 Yeah, so that has to be-

Chris Williamson 50:07 So what we mean, what we mean is that there is a gap between individual heartbeats. Your heart BPM is that aggregated across an entire minute, but the variability within smaller amounts of time is your HRV, and your HRV is affected ... uh, your breathing affects your HRV by making, uh, beats closer together upon an in- inhalation?

Yusef 50:30 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:31 And further apart upon an exhalation. Why does that happen?

Yusef 50:34 I think it's because you, it's 'cause of the pressure changes in your, in your chest, and it, it, like, you, you get a slight sympathe- You, you've got sympathetic and parasympathetic receptors in your lungs, and th- when you, when you breathe into the ... It's, it's boring, but yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:50 Okay.

Yusef 50:50 Y- you have it-

Chris Williamson 50:51 I'm trying to, I'm trying to work out...

Yusef 50:53 It's pro- So wh- when you take a deep breath in, and then slow the exhale, you, you physically feel more relaxed because you stimulate-

Chris Williamson 50:59 Shall we just, shall we just breathe for the next 20 minutes of the podcast? (exhales)

Yusef 51:05 You do feel better, don't you?

Jonny 51:06 I feel immediately better.

Yusef 51:07 (laughs)

Jonny 51:08 Why is that?

Yusef 51:10 (exhales) So, you, you stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system. I th- I like to think of it as point and shoot. Point, parasympathetic, erection. Shoot, sympathetic ejaculation.

Jonny 51:22 (laughs)

Yusef 51:22 It's wh- it's worked w- one of the... Well ...

Chris Williamson 51:24 So you gotta get up, you get u- you gotta, you gotta work hard to get it up, and then you gotta relax to get it out?

Yusef 51:28 Other way around.

Chris Williamson 51:29 You gotta, you gotta relax to get it up-

Yusef 51:30 Gotta relax to get it up, yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:31 ... and then you gotta work hard to get it out?

Jonny 51:32 And if you have the other way around-

Chris Williamson 51:33 It's the wrong way, wrong way around, really, isn't it?

Jonny 51:34 It's either-

Yusef 51:35 Yeah.

Jonny 51:35 ... can't get an erection or can't ejaculate, or both.

Yusef 51:37 Would you rather it was the other way around?

Chris Williamson 51:39 What?

Yusef 51:39 That when you were scared ...

Jonny 51:41 Can you ejaculate without an erection?

Yusef 51:43 If you're too relaxed, you can't ejaculate. That's th- that's why, like, certain drugs ...

Jonny 51:48 (laughs)

Yusef 51:48 They give you an orgasm, yeah.

Jonny 51:48 Can you, can you ejaculate without an erection?

Yusef 51:51 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:52 A perfect example of that, if you've ever tr-

Yusef 51:54 Can I ejaculate, or like, can-

Chris Williamson 51:55 (laughs) Can I?

Jonny 51:56 (laughs)

Yusef 51:57 Or can, can, can someone ...

Jonny 51:59 Can someone?

Chris Williamson 51:59 Anyone who's listening, can you tell us if you've ejaculated without an erection?

Yusef 52:02 I know someone that, uh, had a poo, and came.

Jonny 52:06 (laughs)

Yusef 52:06 And he was really worried.

Chris Williamson 52:09 Just once?

Yusef 52:10 Yeah. I, I reckon-

Chris Williamson 52:11 It wasn't a recurring thing?

Yusef 52:12 No rejection. Not a recurring thing. I reckon what happened is, like, maybe his prostate was a bit too engorged. The poo coming past-

Chris Williamson 52:17 Engorged? (laughs)

Yusef 52:17 ... squeezed the prostate, caused him to ejaculate, and ...

Jonny 52:21 But you could be completely flaccid and ejaculate. It's not like there's a one then a two.

Yusef 52:26 I mean, it, it, it's kind of a design flaw, I think. But ...

Chris Williamson 52:28 Yeah.

Jonny 52:29 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 52:30 You should ... Do you know what you should do?

Yusef 52:31 Should speak to someone?

Jonny 52:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:33 Can you not, can you not speak to management or something?

Yusef 52:34 (laughs)

Jonny 52:35 'Cause you're, you're on the admin, you're in the, like, the admin house now, aren't you?

Yusef 52:38 I'll call switchboard and be like, "Excuse me."

Jonny 52:40 "Can I speak to the person who designed this?"

Chris Williamson 52:42 "Excuse me, can I speak to the erections department, please?"

Yusef 52:45 "I've got an e-"

Chris Williamson 52:45 "I need, I require, I require to speak to the manager of the erections department."

Yusef 52:49 "Please, we've got a feature request, uh-"

Chris Williamson 52:51 (laughs) "Feature request."

Jonny 52:52 (laughs)

Yusef 52:52 "... for the, for the next update. Uh-"

Chris Williamson 52:54 If you have-

Yusef 52:54 "... I'd like to also correct the bug of when you walk into a room and you forget why you were in the room."

Jonny 52:58 (laughs)

Yusef 52:59 "If you can patch that in the next version."

Chris Williamson 53:00 Tha- that's a software problem, isn't it?

Yusef 53:01 A soft- yeah, definitely.

Chris Williamson 53:02 It's a hardware problem that I need.

Jonny 53:05 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:05 Right. Jonathan.

Jonny 53:06 Oh, I'll just say-

Yusef 53:07 Biting your tongue.

Jonny 53:07 ... Whoop, then.

Chris Williamson 53:09 Whoop. Okay.

Jonny 53:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:11 The new Whoop band.

Jonny 53:11 So this is the Whoop 3.0.

Chris Williamson 53:13 Okay.

Jonny 53:14 Um, so I had the 2.0.

Chris Williamson 53:17 Hated it.

Jonny 53:18 So my two recommendations for someone thinking about Whoop or ...

Chris Williamson 53:24 Withings.

Yusef 53:25 Withing. Fitbit.

Jonny 53:25 Oura.

Chris Williamson 53:26 Yeah, Oura.

Jonny 53:26 The Oura Ring. Now, I don't know that much about the Oura Ring. I think they're pretty similar. I would say it's probably not worth it unless you're doing some kind of cardiovascular output based exercise. So, like, it told me very little on the P- on power, for power lifting. Every session, it considered to be low strain. Because strain, in Whoop terms, is the, the time you spend in different, um, heart rate bands. So, it would only really say something about my HRV. So, like, all these things that are heart rate based I think are good for, if you're a runner, triathlete, if you're doing an Ironman, if you're doing anything endurance based. Obviously CrossFit. Anything where there's a lot of heart rate output. Probably for the other stuff, it's not really that important.

Chris Williamson 54:09 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:09 Just stick with a Fitbit. But, the 3.0 is better. The strap's better. Um, there's a bit more data on the app. I, I've, I've got over 30 days of data now, so I'm starting to pay more attention to the green and amber readings in the morning.

Chris Williamson 54:24 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:25 Um, and they're starting to t- they're starting to tie up a lot more with how my session ends up going. Which is really cool.

Chris Williamson 54:31 So my, my issue, my issue with the WHOOP has always been that whether or not you find out about ... y- you wake up one morning and you're in the red, do you change anything?

Jonny 54:43 So, I would ... so, uh, twice in the past 10 days, based on my recovery, I've not trained that day.

Chris Williamson 54:49 Really?

Jonny 54:50 And then my recovery was up massively the next day.

Chris Williamson 54:53 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:54 Um-

Chris Williamson 54:55 See, I, I don't heed the advice of the app-

Jonny 54:57 You would just train regardless.

Chris Williamson 54:58 But if it's a training day, my-

Jonny 55:00 Then you train.

Chris Williamson 55:01 ... my scheduling implications are more constrained-

Jonny 55:05 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:06 ... than editing it around based on what that app says can, can

Yusef 55:09 So the thing, um-

Chris Williamson 55:10 ... come out like that.

Yusef 55:10 Yeah, very much the same. Like, if, if I only have Tuesday evening to train, I'm gonna have to train-

Chris Williamson 55:15 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 55:15 ... regardless of-

Jonny 55:17 Yeah. Well, that's fair enough.

Yusef 55:18 ... you know.

Jonny 55:18 I suppose you could ch- you could change the ...

Yusef 55:20 Change the content of the session. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:21 Uh-huh.

Jonny 55:21 I suppose you're, but you're never really gonna run into ... if you're only training on a Tuesday evening, you're never gonna run into a recovery concern, anyway.

Yusef 55:27 That's true.

Jonny 55:28 So it's only, I think, when you're ch- pushing your output and you feel like you need something to stop. 'Cause you wanna ... really, I think what this is en- encouraging me to think about is, the goal is to cr- create the biggest pipeline of ... that allows you to train as much as you want.

Chris Williamson 55:46 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 55:46 So that means you gotta think more about your sleep, you gotta think more about general stress across the day. And if you have a higher recovery, you can train more.

Chris Williamson 55:53 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 55:54 And obviously, training a lot for a long period of time decreases your recovery. So you've got to ultimately ride that wave, whether you do it by choice or you wake up one m- one day and feel terrible.

Chris Williamson 56:03 It's very curated for CrossFit.

Jonny 56:05 Very.

Chris Williamson 56:06 Very.

Jonny 56:06 It's very CrossFit.

Chris Williamson 56:07 Even though it's n- it's n- not marketed exclusively to that-

Jonny 56:10 Roy McAvoy had one on-

Chris Williamson 56:12 Did he?

Jonny 56:13 ... at the recent conference.

Chris Williamson 56:13 They are really good-

Yusef 56:14 Can I look at the, um-

Chris Williamson 56:14 ... at pushing it, aren't they? The app.

Jonny 56:17 Uh, so th- this, it was a really weird situation, right? Went to see my parents. Just got this.

Chris Williamson 56:21 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 56:22 Right? And I had loads of questions about it. Because obviously you look at that and you go, "That doesn't look like your average Fitbit."

Chris Williamson 56:28 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 56:30 One person who was friendly with someone who does CrossFit, who also has a WHOOP band went, "That's a WHOOP band." Right?

Chris Williamson 56:36 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 56:36 Everyone else was like, "What the hell is that? Look like, you look like you've just been, like, out the hospital." Go to see my parents-

Chris Williamson 56:40 A little bit, yeah.

Jonny 56:41 ... right? And my dad looks at me and goes, "That's a WHOOP band."

Chris Williamson 56:45 Fucking hell.

Jonny 56:45 I'm like, I'm like, "All right, something's, something's going on here."

Chris Williamson 56:47 (laughs)

Jonny 56:48 Like, like, "What, Dad? What, who have you spoken to?" He's like, "Oh, I've just finished watching the golf. Roy McAvoy had a WHOOP band on, they were making a big deal about it."

Yusef 56:55 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 56:55 They are really positioning themselves.

Jonny 56:56 I mean, his ... what his strain is, like, it'll be nothing.

Chris Williamson 57:00 Long days, though, mate. A lot of walking.

Jonny 57:01 There's lots of walking.

Chris Williamson 57:02 Lot of walking.

Jonny 57:03 Lots of walking.

Chris Williamson 57:03 Lot of just low-level ... I bet his NEAT is pretty formidable.

Jonny 57:08 So, I've t- I've tracked some golf-

Chris Williamson 57:10 Oh, yeah?

Jonny 57:10 ... on that.

Chris Williamson 57:10 How was it?

Jonny 57:11 Low strain.

Chris Williamson 57:12 Does it, you know, when you do-

Jonny 57:13 High, high ca- high calorie output, low strain.

Chris Williamson 57:14 You know when you do, you do golf, does it track your route on the GPS?

Jonny 57:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:19 Does it?

Jonny 57:19 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 57:19 That's cool. So that's, that's a feature that I quite like, where, uh, on WHOOP if you're cycling or walking or running or whatever-

Jonny 57:25 Trust me, it doesn't.

Chris Williamson 57:25 ... um, set it away and it'll track the route as well, yeah, and tie that in with the heart rate, and, and stuff like that. Uh, so my next one is a strategy for reducing social media or phone use. And it's, you know, I, I need an entire armory filled with these tactics based on, like, my requirement for work. Um, and my most favorite recent hack is standing when I use my phone.

Yusef 57:56 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 57:57 Not allowing myself to use my phone when sitting or lying down. And it's that aid o- age-old adage, a body at rest stays at rest, a body in motion stays in motion.

Yusef 58:06 That is a great tip.

Chris Williamson 58:08 Good one.

Yusef 58:08 'Cause then it, it makes you conscious. It stops you just becoming a slug of just, like, bleh.

Chris Williamson 58:13 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yusef 58:15 And-

Chris Williamson 58:16 'Cause you don't want stand up. You don't want to stand up for any longer than you have to stand up, and if you're like ... It's the same reason as to why I don't allow my phone to go from my kitchen into my bedroom. So if I want to use my phone, I have to go out of the ...

Yusef 58:27 So, what's the effect that both of those things ha- has on you? Is, is it that it stops you ... like, is it that you think, like, "Oh, I can't be arsed to stand up so I'm not gonna use my phone?" Or do you stand up and use your phone, but the, the effect is that you just stand up more?

Chris Williamson 58:41 Uh, so the effect is probably both. I mean, I have to stand up if I want to use my phone, so I am standing up more. But the main thing is it's just increasing friction. It stops mindless, mindless opening of the phone.

Yusef 58:53 So t- so it does do both, then.

Chris Williamson 58:54 Yeah.

Yusef 58:54 You end up standing more and not using your phone more.

Chris Williamson 58:56 Well, on a, on a standing desk as well. I'm standing a lot more.

Jonny 58:59 How, how do you, how do you police that, though?

Chris Williamson 59:01 What do you mean?

Jonny 59:02 So, like, you're sat down now.

Chris Williamson 59:04 Yep.

Jonny 59:04 Or, like-

Chris Williamson 59:05 Stand-

Jonny 59:06 ... standard example, you're sat here watching TV.

Chris Williamson 59:08 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 59:08 And you, you go to look at your phone.

Chris Williamson 59:10 Just, uh, put it back down, if I can't be arsed. It's like, am I bothered enough to look at my phone for me stand up?

Jonny 59:16 So my ... the thing-

Chris Williamson 59:17 No, I'm not.

Jonny 59:17 ... the thing for me with my phone-

Chris Williamson 59:18 Therefore I won't look at it.

Jonny 59:19 ... when I probably spend time on it, it's when I have time, periods of low willpower. So, like, I'll wake up in the morning. It's 6:30, go downstairs, like, get a drink, about to sit and meditate, go to open InsightTimer, I'm a bit tired, and I find, just find myself on Instagram.

Yusef 59:37 What if you wear ... so enable, what's it called?

Chris Williamson 59:41 Screen Time.

Yusef 59:41 Screen Time for between those hours, and then wear jeans. 'Cause then you've got, you've got a big-

Jonny 59:47 Nice.

Yusef 59:47 ... big old phone, and then, like, really, if you're sat down, you-

Chris Williamson 59:51 But he needs to get it out to do InsightTimer.

Jonny 59:52 Yeah, that's it.

Yusef 59:53 So then it just keeps you timed.

Chris Williamson 59:53 You just need to be more disciplined with that

Narrator 59:55 (instrumental music)

Jonny 59:55 Ideally, I'd like to have the first two hours of my day where I don't have to use my phone. But mobility, um ...

Yusef 1:00:01 Could always set a physical timer and then add it manually to InsightTimer later.

Chris Williamson 1:00:04 That's just discipline, really, with that, isn't it?

Jonny 1:00:06 Byron, Byron Casey on-

Chris Williamson 1:00:06 Being very, very mindful. Very mindful.

Yusef 1:00:09 Byron Casey on a bit of paper.

Chris Williamson 1:00:11 Um-

Yusef 1:00:11 I know it's annoying, but-

Jonny 1:00:12 I could, I could do with one.

Chris Williamson 1:00:12 So I'm gonna do another one because I'm, I want a phone use here, so I'm gonna do a second one. And this is one I've been doing for pretty much all of this year, which is, I have a second phone now. You guys will know, I have a second device which has my socials on. Uh, and downstream from this, there's been a whole host of other changes that I've had to accommodate for. One of the best ones for me, as someone who is a little bit more of a content creator and has to be actively creating things that go out on his social media ...... is I actually record more content now that I have a second phone. So I'll have my normal phone, my WhatsApp and phone calls phone. That is the one that's on me at all times, and that doesn't have Twi- it doesn't have Instagram, um, my account, but does have a normal Instagram account that's like a f- a throwaway, private one.

Guest 1:00:58 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:00:58 And I'll just walk around and record content on that, save it all down. I've got iCloud linked up on both of my devices. Then when I get in, I have periods in the day where I- I have access, or I allow myself to have access to my socials. I go back on, and I have all of this content backed up that I've recorded. And what I've discovered was that I was actually scared, or I was being hesitant of recording content originally, because I knew that if I went on Instagram to record something, I'd also get sucked into answering all the DMs and doing all that sort of stuff. Whereas now, I'm freer to record content without that fear of anything, uh, getting taken away from me. Record the content, (sniffs) throw it online.

Guest 1:01:40 Yeah. Send it down the tube.

Chris Williamson 1:01:41 Yep. Just had, I've insulated the different areas of my life. Now, it's an odd solution to fix spending too much time on technology by buying another piece of technology, but it does-

Guest 1:01:52 It makes sense though.

Chris Williamson 1:01:52 ... it does work.

Guest 1:01:53 'Cause I, I think the problem people have with their phone is that it's so multi-use that, like, there's always something to check.

Chris Williamson 1:02:00 Mm-hmm.

Guest 1:02:00 There's always something to look at. This reminded me of this. So this is, um, a post on Tim Ferriss's social media of, he's doing some kind of diet where, he's calling it his social media diet, but that's his screen time. So that's-

Chris Williamson 1:02:15 20 minutes a day.

Guest 1:02:16 ... one hour 48 across the week. And that's only on, obviously, like, the entire week he's not used it at all.

Chris Williamson 1:02:21 Jeez.

Guest 1:02:22 And then just on-

Chris Williamson 1:02:23 Why on a Tuesday?

Guest 1:02:24 There's mostly messages.

Jonny 1:02:26 Uh, yeah.

Guest 1:02:29 Oh, okay.

Chris Williamson 1:02:30 Tim doesn't have a cool promotion business, does he?

Guest 1:02:32 He doesn't. You're right. Unless... Well, not that we're aware of.

Chris Williamson 1:02:35 He's probably got a assistant as well that handles all this.

Guest 1:02:37 It, it is something that I- I- I keep coming back to, I just need to press the big, red nuclear button and get a Light Phone or get something like that. Nokia 3310.

Jonny 1:02:48 So the Light-

Chris Williamson 1:02:49 Yeah.

Jonny 1:02:49 ... the new Light Phone I think removes all of my, all of my reasonable objections to-

Guest 1:02:57 Light Phone 3, is it?

Chris Williamson 1:02:58 iPhone 2. Uh, Light Phone 2.

Guest 1:02:59 'Cause it's got, like, you can text on it.

Chris Williamson 1:03:02 Mm-hmm.

Guest 1:03:02 It's got a calculator. What else has it got?

Chris Williamson 1:03:05 Uh, Uber, Google Maps.

Guest 1:03:07 Like those, those are the things- Uber and Google Maps? Yeah. Right.

Jonny 1:03:11 (laughs)

Guest 1:03:11 Goodness me.

Chris Williamson 1:03:12 'Cause that's it, isn't it? You're like, "Oh, for-"

Guest 1:03:14 'Cause Uber was one of our, was life hacks one, wasn't it? Just get an Uber.

Chris Williamson 1:03:16 Get an Uber everywhere.

Guest 1:03:17 Just have an Uber rather than the racist-

Jonny 1:03:18 Hmm.

Guest 1:03:18 Whereas, and you find yourself in town, you haven't got any cash, and you're like, "I need to get home. Ugh, I've got to have this fucking phone with big numbers that it takes me ages to text anyone." Whereas the Light Phone just removes that. But I think they're, they're a couple of hundred quid. Yeah. 'Cause, 'cause otherwise as well, you'd have to call Racist Taxi Service Limited.

Jonny 1:03:38 (laughs)

Guest 1:03:39 Like, like, like going into-

Jonny 1:03:40 I miss the something, the something and the c'mon't it.

Chris Williamson 1:03:42 Can you tell us the story here, yeah?

Guest 1:03:44 By going j- just, eh, every time I've got a taxi that isn't Uber, they've been racist and, um-

Chris Williamson 1:03:49 To who, you?

Guest 1:03:50 N- no, just, you know, just to generally, "Oh, it's all these Pakis coming in the country and they're stealing our jobs," and then you're like, "Ah, fuck." Are you not be, also being a bit racist to taxi drivers? Like, you're saying all taxi drivers are- No, I'm saying my experience of any taxi driver-

Chris Williamson 1:04:04 (laughs)

Guest 1:04:04 ... who's not an Uber-

Chris Williamson 1:04:05 Okay.

Guest 1:04:06 ... has been-

Chris Williamson 1:04:06 Interesting.

Guest 1:04:07 ... pretty negative so far.

Chris Williamson 1:04:07 'Cause there's another stereotype of lots of taxi drivers being of that origin. So maybe this is just competition.

Guest 1:04:14 It might just be that, um, yeah, that they're Uber drivers, that, that because they resent Uber drivers-

Chris Williamson 1:04:20 Mm-hmm.

Guest 1:04:20 ... and they see them as ethnic-

Chris Williamson 1:04:22 Yeah.

Guest 1:04:22 ... and therefore-

Chris Williamson 1:04:22 Yeah.

Guest 1:04:22 ... they are the other.

Chris Williamson 1:04:23 Mm-hmm.

Guest 1:04:24 And, yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:04:25 There's a really good Family Guy skit about Uber drivers. It must be an American. I'm not sure what the nationality is that they're taking the mick out of. But it's the, like, shirt unbuttoned down to the mid sternum-

Jonny 1:04:37 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:04:37 ... very hairy chest, open, um, gold chains and huge mid-2000s Bluetooth earpiece with mic.

Guest 1:04:48 I know that image, but it, it seems like not a very common sight in the UK, is it?

Chris Williamson 1:04:50 I don't think so. No, like I got, the guy that picked me up-

Guest 1:04:53 That's an American thing.

Chris Williamson 1:04:54 The guy that picked me up from the airport on Tuesday was just a young dude, like mid- mid-20s, s- like, uh, he does Uber to earn a little bit of extra cash. He's a waiter-

Guest 1:05:03 I think that's becoming more and more common, people like doing Uber as a side income.

Chris Williamson 1:05:05 They treat you really well.

Guest 1:05:06 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:05:07 Well, 'cause they want five star, don't they?

Guest 1:05:08 I think they give you breakfast. They, they do like, they have these, like, events. I don't know what the case is.

Chris Williamson 1:05:13 Uber Treat Drive as well.

Jonny 1:05:14 Oh, right.

Chris Williamson 1:05:14 Okay, yeah.

Guest 1:05:15 I was like, "What?"

Jonny 1:05:15 Yeah.

Guest 1:05:15 "You're getting breakfast from your Uber drivers." Like...

Chris Williamson 1:05:17 I've had a bo- I've had a bottle of water, but I've never had breakfast from them.

Guest 1:05:20 Bottle of water's nice. That-

Chris Williamson 1:05:20 Bottle of water's a good, a great touch.

Guest 1:05:21 ... that, that's a bribe for your five star rating, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 1:05:24 Look at this bit. Look at that.

Guest 1:05:25 Phone for humans.

Chris Williamson 1:05:26 Uh, Light Phone 2.

Jonny 1:05:27 (sighs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:28 It's g- oh, I'm so tempted.

Guest 1:05:29 Hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:05:29 I've got a Light Phone 1 in there that you can just try. I've been, I've had it in there for a year and a half. After I had Kai Waite on here, the CEO.

Jonny 1:05:38 You'll let me try it? You'll let me do that?

Chris Williamson 1:05:39 Yeah, of course.

Guest 1:05:40 It was after coming back from Klema.

Chris Williamson 1:05:42 Klema?

Guest 1:05:42 Yeah.

Jonny 1:05:42 It scares me though, man. And look, horizontal texting.

Guest 1:05:46 Ah, dear.

Jonny 1:05:47 I'm just gonna make scone on the podcast.

Chris Williamson 1:05:48 He's going 11, he's got an iPhone 11 coming in.

Jonny 1:05:50 But he doesn't have to 'cause the iPhone 11's gonna make him less productive. This will make him more productive and it's much cheaper.

Guest 1:05:54 Dammit.

Jonny 1:05:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:56 Uh, yeah. I bet you've t- have you been tied in with some sort of credit-

Guest 1:06:00 No, not yet.

Chris Williamson 1:06:01 ... CCJ?

Jonny 1:06:02 How much does it, how much is an iPhone 11?

Guest 1:06:04 720 pounds.

Jonny 1:06:05 $350.

Chris Williamson 1:06:07 Mate, that's a lot.

Guest 1:06:08 And you'll get-

Chris Williamson 1:06:08 That's a lot for a phone that does a lot less, isn't it?

Jonny 1:06:10 That does shit all, yeah. But think of, think of what you'll gain.

Guest 1:06:13 I was gonna get a Nokia.

Jonny 1:06:14 Think of what... but, but does a Nokia have Uber?

Guest 1:06:17 No, yeah, you're right. You have to, I have to call racist taxi code up.

Chris Williamson 1:06:20 (laughs)

Guest 1:06:20 Dot, dot code, you know. Um, I, oh, man. Um-

Chris Williamson 1:06:25 Right, come on, Seth, what have you got?

Jonny 1:06:27 Racist taxi code.

Guest 1:06:27 Okay.

Chris Williamson 1:06:27 Let's do, let's do a little quick fire round.

Guest 1:06:29 So I had a long, long delay on a flight the other day. It was a 40-hour delay, and-

Chris Williamson 1:06:36 A what?

Guest 1:06:37 So the first one-

Chris Williamson 1:06:37 When was this?

Guest 1:06:38 Uh, coming back from Croatia.

Chris Williamson 1:06:40 From Klema.

Guest 1:06:41 Klema.

Chris Williamson 1:06:41 Klema.

Guest 1:06:41 From Klema. And, uh, so it ended up as a huge ball ache, £1,000 out of pocket, and-

Chris Williamson 1:06:48 Fuck me.

Guest 1:06:48 ... just generally, like, four-

Chris Williamson 1:06:50 1000 pounds?

Guest 1:06:51 1000 out of pocket.

Chris Williamson 1:06:51 40 hours?

Guest 1:06:52 And, and, f- yeah, 48 hours total.

Yusef 1:06:55 ... total time out of my life, but 40 hours of the- the delay.

Guest 1:06:58 Fuck.

Yusef 1:06:58 So I was just, like, very annoyed.

Guest 1:07:00 So the challenge here, Chris, is to spot the-

Yusef 1:07:03 The scurvy problem.

Guest 1:07:04 ... the scurvy problem epicenter of this?

Yusef 1:07:05 Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:07:06 Right. I mean, the problem first will have been that he decided to use skyscanner dot, like dot -

Yusef 1:07:11 Biz. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:07:12 ... or something.

Yusef 1:07:13 .biz. The, uh, th- I think the, the mistake was using a budget airline. The, just ... it... uh, I think just using easyJet in general was a mistake, 'cause it's alwa- every time I've been on them ... again, maybe I've been unlucky, but they've always just-

Chris Williamson 1:07:25 Okay.

Yusef 1:07:25 ... been delayed or canceled. But, um, you can go to the airline direct now. The regulations have changed so you ... if you have a delay or a cancellation, you can reclaim expenses as long as they are within reasonable limits and things.

Chris Williamson 1:07:38 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:07:38 Um, the, the online form is annoying, but anyway, you can do that. You can then also try and claim for, um, delay. If they accept responsibility, they will give you €640 per person that was delayed. But it ... although it's scaled down depending on the mileage. If it's rejected but you still feel like you have a case, you can just go to one of these, like ... I think I used, like, myflightdelayed.com or something. They take a 20-30% fee, but it's well worth it, because they just ... they're just solicitors that have got economies of scale. They will just handle all of that stuff and just send you the-

Chris Williamson 1:08:17 The money.

Yusef 1:08:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:08:17 And take the cut.

Guest 1:08:18 The dollar.

Yusef 1:08:19 So, so ... 'cause also, it's one of those perfect situations where the incentives are aligned. Like, they are, they're backing you because they get their commission. So they're-

Chris Williamson 1:08:30 Okay.

Yusef 1:08:30 ... they're really fighting your corner.

Guest 1:08:31 And is it just for flights, or is anything?

Yusef 1:08:33 For flights, flights only.

Guest 1:08:35 Right.

Yusef 1:08:35 'Cause ... and you can claim up to six years later from a delay.

Guest 1:08:40 What?

Yusef 1:08:40 So if you, so if you've had a, a delay of more than three hours, then-

Guest 1:08:43 What?

Yusef 1:08:44 Th- uh, although annoyingly, a lot of the time, the, the flights will be delayed two hours 50 minutes, because they know-

Chris Williamson 1:08:49 So they know what they can play around with.

Yusef 1:08:52 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:08:52 I'll tell you what's interesting is when th- uh, the ... I had four flights on Tuesday in a single day, to and from Dusseldorf, and, um, three of them departed late. All of them arrived on time.

Yusef 1:09:08 Yeah, so they-

Guest 1:09:08 They tend to be able to do that, don't they?

Chris Williamson 1:09:08 They're really able to put their foot down a bit quicker don't they?

Guest 1:09:11 It's why