Life Hacks 111 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 145

Chris Williamson 0:00 Life hacks 111. One-

Yusef 0:03 A hundred and eleven life hacks episodes.

Chris Williamson 0:06 (laughs)

Yusef 0:07 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:08 Wow. (laughs) Just to recap, you've-

Yusef 0:10 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 0:10 ... bought a trampoline.

Yusef 0:11 Yes. Like a ... it's ... if you imagine a big trampoline-

Chris Williamson 0:14 It's a little one.

Yusef 0:15 ... smaller one.

Chris Williamson 0:16 Yes. And you're going to ... that's going to be your thing?

Yusef 0:18 I am doing that.

Chris Williamson 0:19 Bouncing?

Yusef 0:19 I've been ... yeah.

Chris Williamson 0:20 Okay.

Yusef 0:20 Is it-

Chris Williamson 0:23 (laughs)

Yusef 0:23 What is funny? Oh. Oh, the condoms.

Chris Williamson 0:27 (laughs)

Yusef 0:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:27 No. No.

Yusef 0:28 No? What? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:30 No. No. (laughs) See, in that bag you have-

Yusef 0:35 Mate-

Chris Williamson 0:35 ... a MacBook-

Yusef 0:36 I'm crying.

Chris Williamson 0:36 ... condoms and croissants.

Yusef 0:37 And stethoscope.

Chris Williamson 0:38 (laughs)

Yusef 0:39 Oh. Absolutely brilliant.

Chris Williamson 0:39 Yousef bought me and Johnny for Christmas, a one hour beautiful brass and glass-

Yusef 0:46 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 0:47 ... hourglass, uh-

Yusef 0:48 Good name for a brand. That's nice.

Chris Williamson 0:49 Brass and glass, yeah, it would be. Would it be for-

Yusef 0:51 It'd be a trend.

Chris Williamson 0:51 ... prostitutes to shit on tables in front of you?

Yusef 0:55 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:55 Brass and glass. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Johnny and Yousef in the building.

Yusef 1:06 Oh.

Chris Williamson 1:06 Welcome back, gentlemen. How are we doing?

Yusef 1:08 Hello. Very good.

Chris Williamson 1:10 Good.

Yusef 1:10 Very good.

Chris Williamson 1:11 Life hacks 111.

Yusef 1:13 Is that what it is?

Chris Williamson 1:14 One-one-one.

Yusef 1:15 A hundred and eleven life hacks episodes. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:21 I ... (laughs)

Yusef 1:21 Wow. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:21 That's a lie. We started on 101. Um, and Johnny, you've actually got some for once.

Yusef 1:25 I do. I've done some preparation, but don't you dare hot us over here to me. (laughs) I'm not going to do that.

Chris Williamson 1:32 Um, what I am going to do though, if you know what Barebells are, they are a protein shake, pre-made protein shake. Absolutely fantastic, tastes lovely. Partnered with the company from NOCO and you can win a crate of them. All that you need to do is share this episode, tag me in the share, @chriswellex, wherever you follow me, uh, share this episode up, and I'll choose someone and send a case of Barebells out to you. Um, and my first life hack is-

Yusef 1:57 Can I ask a question first?

Chris Williamson 1:58 Yeah.

Yusef 1:59 Are they not protein bars?

Chris Williamson 2:00 They also make milkshakes.

Yusef 2:02 Do they?

Chris Williamson 2:02 Yeah. I've got some in there. Do you want one to take away?

Yusef 2:04 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 2:05 Yeah. So my first life hack is, replace milk on cereal with Barebells white chocolate.

Yusef 2:13 Okay. I'm on board with that.

Chris Williamson 2:15 20-

Yusef 2:16 You have a lot of cereal, don't you? I have a lot of cereal.

Chris Williamson 2:18 20 grams, 20 grams of protein instantly added onto whatever your cereal is for the day.

Yusef 2:22 Oh, my God. I'm going to have to make it my life hack.

Chris Williamson 2:23 I'll just give you one. I'll just give you one.

Yusef 2:25 What?

Chris Williamson 2:25 You can't take my life hack.

Yusef 2:26 No, no, just the type of cereal. (laughs) Well, I mean.

Chris Williamson 2:28 Oh.

Yusef 2:28 I mean. Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 2:29 Okay. So granola, it works very well with granola. Like white chocolate, Barebells milkshake, uh, protein shake, granola, unbelievable.

Yusef 2:41 Is it-

Chris Williamson 2:41 Macros are fantastic.

Yusef 2:42 So it's higher calorie, slightly higher cost, I imagine. Much higher cost, like-

Chris Williamson 2:46 Not yet.

Yusef 2:46 ... but must be tasty.

Chris Williamson 2:48 Oh, it's so good.

Yusef 2:49 What sort of granola do you have? Don't ask him this question 'cause then I know he'll get excited. What sort of granola would you go for?

Chris Williamson 2:53 Mine's ASDA own brand.

Yusef 2:55 Yes.

Chris Williamson 2:56 (laughs)

Yusef 2:56 ASDA, ASDA special?

Chris Williamson 2:58 No.

Yusef 2:59 Okay. So you're in for a treat, Chris. So are we talking, like, granola with, with raisins and ...

Chris Williamson 3:03 Raisins and nuts and ...

Yusef 3:04 Okay.

Chris Williamson 3:04 It'd kill you.

Yusef 3:05 So I have-

Chris Williamson 3:06 Kill you so fast.

Yusef 3:07 ... the Qua- the Quaker granola. The Quaker raisin granola-

Chris Williamson 3:10 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 3:10 ... is frankly lethal. Like, you don't realize it, but if ... you could easily do the box without even realizing.

Chris Williamson 3:16 This is another one that you mean, yeah.

Yusef 3:18 I know this one. It's so calorie dense.

Chris Williamson 3:19 It's unbelievable.

Yusef 3:20 Like, it's like fried cereal, isn't it? Like, it's ...

Chris Williamson 3:22 (laughs) On a deep fryer.

Yusef 3:23 It's like someone's made cereal and then just put a butter in it.

Chris Williamson 3:26 (laughs)

Yusef 3:26 And stirred it round and put it on the shelf. And you're like, "Oh, that's really, really nice." "Yeah, it's really tasty." And you're like, "Ah." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 3:33 Ah. Right.

Yusef 3:33 And then Chris is like, "Mm, I'm just-"

Chris Williamson 3:35 To make this worse-

Yusef 3:36 "... I'm a bit lean at the moment."

Chris Williamson 3:37 Dip a moment more fat in.

Yusef 3:38 "Why don't I add some calories?"

Chris Williamson 3:39 No soreness.

Yusef 3:40 Um ... well, that's it. If you ... at the end of the day and you're like, "I really want a nice supper before I go to bed." Mm-hmm. But, oh, 20 grams of protein down for the day.

Chris Williamson 3:48 Yeah.

Yusef 3:49 Shit. There you go. Have some Cereals.

Chris Williamson 3:49 I do think cereal's a brilliant evening food.

Yusef 3:52 So good.

Chris Williamson 3:52 Brilliant evening food.

Yusef 3:53 It's, it's the bookend of the day, isn't it? You know what I mean?

Chris Williamson 3:55 Yeah. It is. (laughs)

Yusef 3:55 It's the beginning and the end. "What shall I have this morning?" Cereal. "What's your before bed?" Cereal.

Chris Williamson 3:59 Do you eat cereal for breakfast?

Yusef 4:01 Uh, I'm fasting until about 1:00 PM usually.

Chris Williamson 4:03 So if I were to have cereal for breakfast, then just take the edge off for me. Just, just take-

Yusef 4:07 The edge off what?

Chris Williamson 4:08 Like, just my ... (snaps fingers)

Yusef 4:10 Sharpeners.

Chris Williamson 4:10 My focus, yeah.

Yusef 4:11 It's bedtime.

Chris Williamson 4:11 Blunting the pencil. But if it's, like, before bed, then, "Mm-hmm."

Yusef 4:15 Cool.

Chris Williamson 4:15 (laughs)

Yusef 4:15 You actually have a list of life hacks, Johnny-

Chris Williamson 4:18 Go.

Yusef 4:19 Tell us. Tell us the list.

Chris Williamson 4:20 So the first one you won't agree with, Chris.

Yusef 4:22 Okay.

Chris Williamson 4:23 'Cause I know you think this sort of thing is a bit silly, but a SodaStream.

Yusef 4:28 Oh.

Chris Williamson 4:28 You got this for Christmas, right?

Yusef 4:30 I did. It was a present.

Chris Williamson 4:33 It is ... so fizzy water, sparkling water, is when you add it up, quite expensive and also a faff. So if you were to go and buy a lot of sparkling water, go on.

Yusef 4:45 How is buying sparkling water more of a faff than having to make the fucking stuff yourself?

Chris Williamson 4:49 Because it's, it's easy to make it. So you ... under the tap, button, done.

Yusef 4:54 What Johnny likes about it is that-

Chris Williamson 4:55 Litre of sparkling water.

Yusef 4:56 ... he can shout the flavor of the (laughs) of the water-

Chris Williamson 4:59 (laughs)

Yusef 4:59 ... in, in the room and then it, it's the same as that other stuff that Sam has been talking about.

Chris Williamson 5:02 So LaCroix.

Yusef 5:02 So he's talking about LaCroix, yeah. So ... Lemon.

Chris Williamson 5:06 (laughs)

Yusef 5:06 And then you're like, "Oh, it's-"

Chris Williamson 5:07 It i- ... that's the best descript- did I tell you that?

Yusef 5:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 5:10 Yeah. So I read that description about LaCroix, and it's perfect. It's exactly what it is.

Yusef 5:13 The ... wh- what is it? While you're drinking it, it's as if someone just-

Chris Williamson 5:15 Someone shouts, like, "Lime," next door.

Yusef 5:18 Oh.

Chris Williamson 5:18 And that's, that's the amount of flavoring there is in that.

Yusef 5:21 Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:21 Um, but it's great for appetite suppression. So if you're fasting and if you're not like these two and you have to count your calories in order to lose weight or manage your body weight, um, then having sparkling water instead of normal water, having carbonated drink is great for appetite suppression. It's also really nice, so you get like- Why not, why not Diet Coke?

Yusef 5:43 Or, like, green tea?

Chris Williamson 5:45 Caffeine and tastes awful.

Yusef 5:47 Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:48 Why not, uh, diet Sprite, Sprite Zero?

Yusef 5:51 No reason. Taste and preference.

Chris Williamson 5:53 I'm just trying to ... you know what I mean.

Yusef 5:54 Yeah. So it ... so once you've got a SodaStream, you need to have the gas canister. But they ... you can take them to Lakeland and get them swapped for another one.

Chris Williamson 6:02 Where's Lakeland?

Jonny 6:03 Like, in, that's like saying where's WHSmith. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 6:07 I've never seen the word Lakeland written once before.

Jonny 6:09 Seriously?

Chris Williamson 6:10 Never seen it written before.

Jonny 6:11 That's 'cause you don't operate in, like, everything's hard cash and nightclubs and every... (laughs) Other than that.

Chris Williamson 6:17 I bet they only accept chip and pin, don't they? (laughs)

Jonny 6:19 It'd be like the bits in the GTA map that are just, like, blank, gray shops.

Chris Williamson 6:24 (laughs)

Jonny 6:24 The only thing I don't think you can actually go inside. The, there's, there's the shop you can buy-

Chris Williamson 6:28 The polygon, polygon, uh, shapes.

Jonny 6:30 There's the one where you can buy the guns and the one where you can change the color of your car.

6:33 (laughs)

6:33 And then everything else-

Chris Williamson 6:33 In between that is Lakeland.

Jonny 6:35 Just Lakeland.

6:35 Unless it's Vice City.

Chris Williamson 6:37 Oh, it is the same.

Jonny 6:37 Where there's the garages and... But yeah, so SodaStream.

Chris Williamson 6:40 Cool, man. I like it.

Jonny 6:40 And they do little, you can actually ironically turn it into Coke with the Lakeland flavoring.

6:44 Yeah. Have you got the different flavoring?

6:45 I've got two of them.

Chris Williamson 6:46 So what's the best flavoring?

Jonny 6:47 Lemon.

Chris Williamson 6:49 Clement?

Jonny 6:50 Clem. Diet lemon. Don't get, for God's sake, don't get the ginger beer. Don't get sucked into the organic stuff 'cause you go and there are some that are in, like, brown, like, medicine bottles. You think, "Oh, they look really nice." They're a bit more expensive. And then you realize that the, the amount that you have to dilute it by, you'd be better off just drinking, like, red Coke. Like, the sugar's insane.

Chris Williamson 7:10 Wow.

Jonny 7:10 So you go from having, like, a, a nice zero calorie beverage, chilled in the morning, lovely, to I've made my own sugar drink here.

Chris Williamson 7:20 (laughs)

Jonny 7:21 (laughs) I've, I've gone to effort and expense to make my own version of Coke-

Chris Williamson 7:26 Sugary drink.

Jonny 7:26 ... that isn't as nice as Coke.

Chris Williamson 7:27 Um, have you, are you filtering the water before? So is it filtered water?

Jonny 7:32 Yes.

Chris Williamson 7:32 Yeah, that's, okay, no, that's nice.

Jonny 7:34 But that's just because Youssef scared me to death about estrogen. And I feel like filtering it's like, it's not really probably gonna do anything really, but I at least feel like I'm doing something about it.

Chris Williamson 7:44 But you need to a- a- avoid whatever it is, ferrous irons or whatever it was.

Jonny 7:49 It's receipts. I can't wash my hair. I can't, like, touch certain people.

7:54 (laughs) Certain people who use aftershave.

Chris Williamson 7:55 Yeah. No, um, no candles are allowed.

Jonny 7:58 Yeah.

7:58 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:59 Anyway.

Jonny 7:59 To, to be honest, Johnny has actually taken the highest yield estrogen things to avoid, which is microwaving Tupperware, and stopped doing that. Which I'm so pleased with 'cause, 'cause, like, when you're microwaving a, a plastic container of food and then it's all wibbly and you're just like-

8:16 So do you still get meal prep or no?

Chris Williamson 8:19 No. So I'm cooking, cooking for myself now, maybe three months.

Jonny 8:23 Wow, interesting.

8:24 Very good.

Chris Williamson 8:25 (laughs)

Jonny 8:25 Um, before I forget, just while we're on the granola thing. If you follow us on Instagram, you'll, you'll know that I have got a clinical addiction problem to ASDA's best hazelnut dark chocolate cherry granola. Absolutely on another level. Like, and the, the problem is I get ASDA delivery and I get anxious when there's less than three bags in the house. So I've always got maybe 10 bags of it at one time.

Chris Williamson 8:55 Are they quite small bags?

Jonny 8:57 500 gram or like 700.

8:58 'Cause it's, like, the finest range, isn't it? So, like, th- yeah.

9:00 They look at it and think, "Well, a normal person-"

Chris Williamson 9:01 Comes in a single bowl, doesn't it?

Jonny 9:02 Yeah, a normal person would only have a sprinkling maybe.

9:05 I think-

9:05 But Youssef's got a bag a day.

9:06 ... they're, like, 750 or, or, yeah, about 750 grams a thing.

Chris Williamson 9:09 It's the staple of your diet, isn't it?

Jonny 9:11 It are, man.

Chris Williamson 9:11 Man, I'm telling you, add a Barebell's white chocolate on top of that and it will be-

Jonny 9:15 Too much to handle.

Chris Williamson 9:16 ... it'll be enough that it should probably be on admireme.vip.

Jonny 9:20 Like-

9:20 Just bowl, a video of a bowl of it slowly rotating. (laughs)

9:23 Oh, I would subscribe to that.

Chris Williamson 9:24 (laughs) I would as well. Cereal porn.

Jonny 9:27 The fact that you have a granola problem but still don't gain weight is insane to me.

9:32 So actually that's my next life hack. I m- I may as well bundle it in, but, like-

Chris Williamson 9:36 All right.

Jonny 9:36 ... since we're talking of, like, how... And this is just because some of us, our weight gravitates, like, up or down depending on-

Chris Williamson 9:44 Yeah, yeah.

Jonny 9:44 ... our disposition.

Chris Williamson 9:46 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 9:46 And I've noticed this a lot with a lot of the new doctors starting, that you see people's weight distinctly go, like, up or down depending on their-

Chris Williamson 9:53 Right, like their, how busy they are.

Jonny 9:55 How, well, like, what their coping strategy is, I suppose. So, like-

Chris Williamson 9:57 Right.

Jonny 9:58 Um-

Chris Williamson 9:58 Do you overwork or overeat?

Jonny 9:59 Yeah, exactly. So I'm, I'm-

Chris Williamson 10:01 And you, you over granola.

Jonny 10:02 I over granola, but my, yeah, my weight tanks. So I've dropped, like, four or five kilos over a few weeks, um, just with busy periods. So granola and just putting grated cheese on everything is very-

Chris Williamson 10:13 Hang on, so your life hack-

Jonny 10:14 Very good.

Chris Williamson 10:14 ... your life hack is how to not lose weight in a stressy time.

Jonny 10:19 (laughs)

10:19 So a lot of, a lot of the life hacks I've got today are you've got to pick the direction because depending on which way you are-

Chris Williamson 10:26 I like this. This is like one of those choose your own destiny adventure books.

Jonny 10:29 Ah, yeah.

10:30 Like a map.

Chris Williamson 10:30 Do you want to fight the dragon or do you want to run? Fight the dragon, fight the dragon.

Jonny 10:33 Then you realize that actually there's only ever one right answer.

Chris Williamson 10:36 Yeah.

Jonny 10:36 Otherwise it brings you back to the beginning.

10:37 Oh, yeah. But regardless of your goal, the hazelnut cherry dark chocolate granola, mind-blowing, but anxiety-inducing when you get less than three bags.

Chris Williamson 10:47 And what's the other thing?

Jonny 10:49 The-

Chris Williamson 10:49 Grated cheese.

Jonny 10:50 Grated cheese on everything. But with the granola, if you get ASDA delivery and you allow substitutions, they'll always try and give you some bullshit granola that's just-

10:59 (laughs)

10:59 Like, there's just nothing like, because they have, they also have, like, an extra special salted caramel crunch sea salt.

11:06 That sounds great.

Chris Williamson 11:06 That sounds lovely.

Jonny 11:07 Terrible. Oh, it's just nothing in comparison. And then-

11:09 (laughs)

11:09 ... sometimes your, the, the guy will have left and you're unpacking all your stuff and you're like, "Oh, I've been done, like, he's slipped in a sea salt caramel."

Chris Williamson 11:16 And he's taken the cherry granola for himself.

Jonny 11:18 Yeah. So annoying.

Chris Williamson 11:19 Okay.

Jonny 11:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 11:20 Um, next up. So if you are going on holiday, I advise that you pack a small drawstring bag. So if you remember about the size of an A3 piece of paper, two A4 bits of paper side by side. It's like the sort of thing you'd have taken to the swimming baths as a kid.

Jonny 11:38 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 11:38 Do you know what I mean?

Jonny 11:39 I know exactly what you're saying.

Chris Williamson 11:39 Like a drawstring backpack.

Jonny 11:41 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:41 Um, and Reebok make one which has got a single zip pocket-

Jonny 11:44 Ooh.

Chris Williamson 11:44 ... across the front of it. And that's it, it's just a drawstring bag. And it is the single best thing that I've ever taken to, for going away with, 'cause you've got your big backpack that's probably maybe got laptop, electronics, sunglasses, other stuff like towel and things, or maybe not even towel, that stuff in. Then you've got a suitcase that's o- and this is even if you're just going for a weekend.

Jonny 12:05 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 12:05 But you need...... I'm, I'm quickly going to the beach, I want to throw my towel, s- swim shorts, sunglasses, and Kindle into something. And it's just that, and you can fold it up inside of another bag.

Jonny 12:16 Fully behind that.

12:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:17 It is so good. And, uh, I forgot it when I went to ... on one of the trips this year, I forgot the bag, and the, the holiday was essentially pointless.

Jonny 12:29 Really inconvenient. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 12:30 Yeah. Every ... I was like, the, the difficulty level's just been increased by at least 50% and everything that I'm doing-

Jonny 12:36 That's the act of life.

12:37 (laughs)

12:38 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:38 Or I'll take the big bag, take my big backpack-

Jonny 12:40 Do you put passport in there?

Chris Williamson 12:42 No. So I have a travel safe.

Jonny 12:45 Wow.

Chris Williamson 12:45 Which is a, um, small oval lockable, uh, foam interiored thing-

Jonny 12:52 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:52 ... that then has a chain, like a kind of like a, a plastic covered chain. It comes off and you can hook that round something. That was when I was traveling and I didn't know if there was going to be safes in some of the hotels.

Jonny 13:01 And that's a great idea, that.

Chris Williamson 13:03 10 quid.

Jonny 13:03 That should be the life hack.

Chris Williamson 13:05 Well, it's both of them, it's both of them now.

Jonny 13:06 See, I, I get anxiety about have my laptop with me, leaving it somewhere, leaving it in a hotel room.

Chris Williamson 13:12 Yeah.

Jonny 13:12 'Cause you can't, you can't put your laptop in there really, can you?

13:15 In the safe?

13:16 In the bag.

Chris Williamson 13:17 No, not at all.

Jonny 13:17 So you either carry ... You'll take your little backpack with you, I imagine.

13:20 I, I just take it everywhere.

Chris Williamson 13:21 Yeah.

Jonny 13:21 But I leave the laptop in the hotel room.

Chris Williamson 13:23 Do you?

Jonny 13:23 Uh, yeah, but it's (12:35) .

13:25 Okay.

13:26 They're, they're safety problems, apparently, the hotel ones.

Chris Williamson 13:28 Uh- I mean, you're never gonna be able to get a big 15, uh, or 13 inch, uh, laptop into one of those safes anyway. They're like the size of mm-

Jonny 13:35 Not true. But the other benefit of that little backpack is if it's hot, which it probably is if you're on holiday-

Chris Williamson 13:41 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 13:41 ... having a sweaty back where your backpack's just like pressed against your back-

Chris Williamson 13:45 It's super light.

Jonny 13:46 ... it's such a horrible feeling.

Chris Williamson 13:46 Man, I ... honestly, it is so fantastic to have that. And you've just got all the little things you can have your change, you know, just throw your change in there when you've gone, been going shopping places.

Jonny 13:57 You just chink around.

Chris Williamson 13:58 Amazing.

Jonny 13:59 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 14:00 Johnny.

Jonny 14:01 I'm just getting the exact name, 'cause I think I've written the exact name down wrong.

Chris Williamson 14:04 Oh, uh, it's a specific brand, is it that we're going for with this?

Jonny 14:07 It's, uh, so I had written it down wrong. That was a close shave.

Chris Williamson 14:11 Ooh.

Jonny 14:11 Uh, wow.

14:11 So I'd written natural grass.

Chris Williamson 14:13 (laughs)

Jonny 14:13 But it's actually Amazing Grass.

Chris Williamson 14:16 Amazing Grass.

Jonny 14:17 Amazing Grass, s- greens powder. So the reason why-

Chris Williamson 14:21 All right.

Jonny 14:21 Oh, I've tried that. The one you gave me.

14:23 Yeah, the chocolate one.

Chris Williamson 14:24 Yeah.

Jonny 14:24 Yeah. So they make one that has cocoa in it. And so I'd heard this concept and I, I, I, I think I ... so this is a separate life hack, which is if you're buying flavored things, get chocolate flavor. Because chocolate flavor-

Chris Williamson 14:41 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 14:41 ... is very easy to naturally flavor with cocoa.

Chris Williamson 14:44 Oh, okay.

Jonny 14:44 So when you get a chocolate flavor something, it typically tastes pretty authentic. If you get a strawberry, banana, vanilla, whatever.

14:50 I've learned that the hard way.

14:51 It'll taste a bit off. I mean, I mean-

Chris Williamson 14:52 You're, you're patient zero for-

Jonny 14:53 You're so off-piste with flavoring, it's-

14:55 Well, I've got 10 kilos still to ... well, the other half of the 10 kilos to get through.

Chris Williamson 14:59 Birthday cake?

Jonny 14:59 Pina colada.

15:00 Pina colada. But birthday cake, never again. That was terrible.

Chris Williamson 15:04 (laughs) What do you mean never again? You've got five kilos of pina colada.

Jonny 15:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got-

15:07 10 kilos of pina colada.

Chris Williamson 15:09 No.

Jonny 15:09 Yeah, I'm just halfway through. But the, the birthday cake, it's a bit salty. It's like eating salty dough with hun- actual hundreds and thousands in the way. Who wants that in their protein shake? Like-

15:18 Someone who orders birthday cake Way.

Chris Williamson 15:19 Yeah, yeah.

Jonny 15:20 But yeah, so they do a, they do a cocoa, like a chocolate flavor greens powder that has ... it is honestly like compared to your typical greens powder-

Chris Williamson 15:28 This, so the-

Jonny 15:29 It's honestly palatable.

15:30 It is, yeah.

Chris Williamson 15:31 The level up is purely because of taste?

Jonny 15:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 15:34 Yeah. Okay, I can get behind that.

Jonny 15:36 I mean, it's just easy.

Chris Williamson 15:37 Naughty.

Jonny 15:37 Oh my goodness.

Chris Williamson 15:38 Very naughty.

Jonny 15:38 It's e- it's really easy compared to like ... so I've tried ones from MyProtein and Protein Works that have, uh, they've flavored them. It's like-

Chris Williamson 15:45 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 15:46 ... super berry or blueberry or whatever. It's a bit artificial.

Chris Williamson 15:49 Tropical or-

Jonny 15:49 This, you could add it to like chocolate whey and you wouldn't even notice.

Chris Williamson 15:53 Oh, nice. Cool.

Jonny 15:54 Which you should also get chocolate whey. It's just that you ... it's the way to live your life in an easy way, without any fuss.

Chris Williamson 15:58 I think definitely when you're starting with a new supplement, chocolate's a pretty safe one to go for.

Jonny 16:05 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 16:05 Um, but most companies now, pretty much everyone does sample packs.

Jonny 16:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 16:09 So just get the 25 gram single serving sample of one of everything. And then you can go, "I like this," "I don't like this," "I like this."

Jonny 16:15 You should write that like on ... you should make a poster that just says, "Buy the sample pack."

Chris Williamson 16:19 (laughs)

Jonny 16:19 Have that as the-

Chris Williamson 16:20 Stick it to the front of Youssuf's forehead is what I mean.

Jonny 16:21 (laughs)

16:22 I've, I've never got a sample pack, but I like, I feel like my days of experimenting with whey, like that was when I was young and reckless. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:27 Do you still use ... you don't use whey anymore, do you?

Jonny 16:29 Yeah. Like I'll have the odd, I'll have the odd protein shake.

16:31 But I'm, I'm ... I've got a problem now, which is ... because I get the bulk, I, I usually get the largest increment of whey that I can of a single flavor. But the new flavors coming out are f- f- coming out at a faster rate than how fast I consume whey. I'm struggling-

16:44 How many protein shakes do you think you've had over the past five years that you've enjoyed? Like really genuinely thought, "That's nice." Is it, is it less than 100?

16:53 (laughs) Yeah, definitely less than 100.

Chris Williamson 16:56 But you have one every day.

Jonny 16:57 Mm-hmm.

16:59 So ...

Chris Williamson 17:00 There'll be one more after, there'll be one more after that bare bell though, there'll be one after that.

Jonny 17:02 Well I ... well, I'm currently on the hunt for a new brand of protein. I want something that actually tastes nice. So if you guys have any suggestions, like I'm happy to pay.

Chris Williamson 17:09 I feel like you're the man with the, with the answer there.

Jonny 17:11 Yeah.

17:11 Like-

Chris Williamson 17:11 I don't know why I think that. So Protein Works some of their stuff's real good. They got some great flavors.

Jonny 17:15 I don't want to go for some generic brand. I want like some premium-

17:18 Genetic, genetic supplements.

17:19 Something like that, yeah.

Chris Williamson 17:20 Dymatrition or something like that.

Jonny 17:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 17:22 I don't get it, like it's just protein.

Jonny 17:24 Yeah, I agree.

Chris Williamson 17:25 It is ju- it's such a transaction. Um, definitely, and I've said this to Protein Works, despite the fact they support the podcast, the best protein I've found at the moment is Bulk Powder's beef isolate.

Jonny 17:41 Wow.

17:41 Does it taste beefy at all?

Chris Williamson 17:43 Chocolate, chocolate, just pure chocolate, the best chocolate ever. But there's no ... there's not a single smidge of dai- of dairy in it.

Jonny 17:49 Ooh.

Chris Williamson 17:49 And it's isolate, so it's super thin. MyProtein do a beef, a normal beef, um, powder. It's like you have to punch it down your throat.

Jonny 17:59 Yeah, I can imagine.

Chris Williamson 18:00 It's so like meady and thick. And that, r- you could add maltodextrin in. Um, it's g- I'll just give you, you can just take some.

Jonny 18:07 I'm going to try some.

Chris Williamson 18:08 You just take some from them and then try it. Is it nicer than a normal whey? Or is it nice because you, you're trying to not have whey? Taste? Taste-wise?

Jonny 18:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:16 It depends. So, n- I've really developed a taste for it.

Jonny 18:19 Right.

Chris Williamson 18:20 I enjoy the taste of that particular-

Jonny 18:21 Right.

Chris Williamson 18:22 ... shake now. And the fact that I don't get even the slightest amount of stomach discomfort, which I was getting really bad from whey.

Jonny 18:30 Right.

18:30 You get bloaty?

Chris Williamson 18:31 Yeah, bloaty, just uncomfortable. Then I switched to, uh, varying degrees of diet whey, isolate, da-da-da-da and all that.

Jonny 18:38 Still bad?

Chris Williamson 18:38 Still bad. Then switched to MyProtein's beef. Still wasn't too good 'cause it was so thick.

Jonny 18:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 18:45 Just gelatinous glob of like this-

Jonny 18:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 18:48 ... cylinder of just material that's going down my throat (laughs) .

Jonny 18:50 Just cleans down you. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 18:52 (laughs) You know that when you have to unblock a, a drain?

Jonny 18:56 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 18:56 And you put Mr. Muscle Drain Unblocker down.

Jonny 18:58 Oh.

Chris Williamson 18:58 You see that bit of hair that's been lodged in there-

Jonny 19:00 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:00 ... just move. That's what it was like. Oh. Uh, and then this is brilliant, man. So if you're buying f- flavored things, get chocolate as a safe bet.

Jonny 19:09 And that, that greens powder, like if you, if you, if you one of these ... So I'm one of these people who always thinks, like there's noth- there's no reason why I shouldn't just have a greens powder, right?

Chris Williamson 19:16 No.

Jonny 19:16 There's no- you know, I-

Chris Williamson 19:17 I haven't not had a greens powder in as long as I can remember now.

Jonny 19:20 Right. Well, so do you just have it plain on its own?

Chris Williamson 19:24 Tropical, uh, Protein Works thing is fine.

Jonny 19:26 Right. And you think it's all right?

Chris Williamson 19:27 Half a glass of water, totally fine.

Jonny 19:29 Do you have a greens powder?

19:30 No. I've, I've got one but it's expired now so I threw it away. (laughs)

19:34 I think there's no benefit.

19:35 Do you know, you used to have a MyProtein veg powder that was like garlic and mushroom.

Chris Williamson 19:38 Super Veg, Super Veg XS.

Jonny 19:39 Oh.

19:39 And I'd mix it with ... I, I'd have-

Chris Williamson 19:41 Unflavored.

Jonny 19:41 I'd, I'd mix it with leucine and psyllium husk.

19:44 What? (laughs)

19:44 And then just try and drink it down.

Chris Williamson 19:46 How would you ... (laughs)

Jonny 19:46 And because it's so pungent, you'd try and like make it concentrated and then you'd be like, "Ugh. What?" And then you can't do it.

Chris Williamson 19:51 It's made it even worse.

Jonny 19:52 And so then you'd try and have it with, like, a pint of water, then you're like, actually it's not diluted the flavor at all. It still tastes just as concentrated, but now I've just got more to have to drink.

20:01 (laughs)

20:01 Awful.

20:02 Wow.

Chris Williamson 20:02 Right.

Jonny 20:03 So I've, I've got quite a lot to get through today, man.

Chris Williamson 20:06 Let's do it, man. Let's get moving.

Jonny 20:06 I mean we can always save some for next time.

20:08 If you just do one now.

20:09 Okay. Well, 'cause we've got quite a few suggested from, uh, the, the readers here.

Chris Williamson 20:11 I wanna stick to yours. I'm not having, I'm not having this crowdfunded thing, hey.

Jonny 20:13 People wanna hear you. That's why everyone here is watching, because of you.

20:16 But, well, the ... I'm sorry guys, but this-

20:19 To hear you say something sensible.

Jonny 20:19 ... this is Paul Turner's ... Paul, not Small. He has said whenever something comes out, like a, an event comes out and tickets are six months in advance, whether or not you can go, buy two. Because then you've bought one and then you can just invite someone later. You don't have to pick who it is, you don't have to arrange it. Just closer to the time, you can be like, "Oh, Derren Brown's coming to town, I've got two tickets. Do you fancy going?" And there's like ...

20:43 That's a great tip, that.

20:44 Absolutely.

Chris Williamson 20:44 It's a good one. I've, I've low-key employed it myself previously and benefited from it. Brian Cox took my mum.

Jonny 20:52 Brilliant. Like y- you can always find someone to go with you to a cool event.

20:55 As long as it's good things.

20:56 Well, yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 20:57 Yeah. If it's something really weird, yeah.

Jonny 20:59 Then that's the key thing.

20:59 Then you're really gonna have to try and convince someone to come to, with you, yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:02 "Guys, does anybody fancy going to the new Dungeons and Dragons launch or..."

Jonny 21:06 So, so if, so if that's the case, then, like, that's a really fundamental, like, you've gotta reevaluate your friends, like if there's nothing that you can do or trust.

Chris Williamson 21:12 Or, "There's a Warhammer painting workshop happening in the back end of the town wall this weekend."

Jonny 21:16 So we have the monocle then.

21:17 I think I'd go to both of those, but just out of intrigue. I probably wouldn't stay very long.

Chris Williamson 21:21 Very voyeuristic for you, isn't it?

Jonny 21:22 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:23 (laughs) Um, okay. Right, this one. Oh my God. So send to Kindle extension for Chrome on MacBook. Wow. This-

Jonny 21:35 You, you're getting so into Kindle these days.

Chris Williamson 21:37 Oh, fuck, man. I-

Jonny 21:38 So I've started using my Kindle.

Chris Williamson 21:40 Paperwhite. Paperwhite. Yeah. So I love my Kindle. I don't like reading articles on my phone because phone, the way that I use my phone is very skittish, flicking around between apps. I'm in the rhythm of WhatsApp and Instagram and stuff. Just i- it's, it's how I operate on there. I'm not good for deep reading. Laptop as well, it's just, you gotta be at my desk standing or sitting or doing whatever. Kinda not, not for me. So Kindle now is a article reader as well. Previously, my solution to this was use Evernote web clipper, clip to Evernote, export as a HTML file, repurpose and export as a PDF, then use the send to Kindle. Oh man.

Jonny 22:22 Oh my god.

22:22 Oh, dear.

Chris Williamson 22:23 It was so arduous, man. But I just wanted it 'cause y- you need to have it so it looks nice on Kindle. So it needs to be in PDF, it needs to have converted, it needs to have stripped the formatting but it needs to have kept ... Do you know? All of the different stuff.

Jonny 22:34 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 22:34 It was just ugly. Real bad process. And then one day I just Googled, "Is there a send to Kindle?" There is a send to Kindle extension for Chrome that you can search now. It'll be in the show notes below. And you just press one button, previews the whole thing, makes it the perfect size, allows you to zoom in and out with the font size that your preferences are on your Kindle Paperwhite. You can edit before it sends. In-browser, you can edit the title and the author of the article that you're talking about in case sometimes it doesn't pull through the r- quite the right metadata. And it just sends it perfectly formatted to your Kindle instantly. Every Kindle device that you've got has that article.

Jonny 23:13 As a ... Does it save it, like, in your library?

Chris Williamson 23:15 Yeah.

Jonny 23:16 As a-

Chris Williamson 23:16 In the cloud. Every ... So it'll be on Kindle on your phone, Kindle on your whatever. Man, it ... And so I'm ... As opposed to sending stuff to Pocket now. Pocket for me is low-grade shit. Pocket is like sub-five-minute reads, sub-ten-minute reads.

Jonny 23:30 Mm.

Chris Williamson 23:30 But if I've got Meditations on Moloch, hour and a half read-

Jonny 23:34 Ah.

Chris Williamson 23:34 ... this big monster of a blog post I've wanted to do, and I can just read it like a book. And you can highlight passages. You ... That will save back out in ... Oh, man. It's phenomenal. I haven't had, I haven't had something that's changed the workflow and improved my life that much in ages. Send to Kindle for Chrome is incredible.

Jonny 23:51 So I, the problem I always have with, like, 'cause l- you have Tobi and Pocket, like all these things to, like, delay the time you're gonna read something.

Chris Williamson 23:59 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 23:59 What I've never really had is a time when I would definitely read it.

Chris Williamson 24:03 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 24:04 But something that I do is re- or only very recently just read a bit of my Kindle in the morning, because it means I don't have to use my phone or my laptop or anything. So if I can take something from that and read it then, far easier.

24:14 So I think quite, (clears throat) quite a good solution to that is either, like, attach it to a thing that you do that y- I, I guess, like, you haven't got a long commute or anything so it doesn't apply for that.

Chris Williamson 24:23 Mm.

Jonny 24:23 But-I find morning when I'm getting up, brushing teeth, making a tea or whatever, is th- the first sort of 10, 15 minutes, great time for just opening either Pocket, Evernote, something like that, swiping down with two fingers from the top of the iPhone, and then it just reads the article. So it's like an audio book or just listening to an actual audio book in that time. So I wonder whether-

Yusef 24:48 So you're saying that while-

Jonny 24:49 ... while I'm waiting. (laughs)

Yusef 24:49 ... like, while you're waking up-

Chris Williamson 24:50 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 24:51 Yeah.

Yusef 24:51 ... you might listen to something?

Jonny 24:52 Or if there's any, like, dead time. I guess if you're waiting for food in the microwave or something like that.

Yusef 24:56 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 24:56 That's something we might not have touched on before. We're going back to an old one there, but Pocket, which is a read later saving app on mobile has a function where for maybe about 60% of articles, you can just press the headphones at the bottom of it, and it'll just read an article that you've saved to-

Jonny 25:13 They changed the voice, which is a shame.

Chris Williamson 25:14 ... I haven't done it in... I haven't used it in ages.

Jonny 25:16 Oh, it used to be a great voice, and now it's this weird American, like, uh, digital sounding one.

Chris Williamson 25:21 It was really accurate previously. Anyway, Johnny, you're up. What you got?

Jonny 25:26 Uh.

Chris Williamson 25:27 What you got for us?

Jonny 25:27 I mean, which one to pick?

Chris Williamson 25:29 Let's see, you got big-

Jonny 25:30 Ben & Jerry's Moophoria.

Chris Williamson 25:33 Is this one of those low calorie?

Jonny 25:35 It is, but so lo- low calorie ice creams are, like, all the-

Chris Williamson 25:38 Ten a penny at the moment, aren't they?

Jonny 25:40 This, this sort of thing won't, won't matter to you guys.

Chris Williamson 25:42 Ten a penny.

Jonny 25:42 'Cause you'll just eat the normal ice cream-

Chris Williamson 25:43 (laughs)

Jonny 25:43 ... and still not gain weight.

Chris Williamson 25:45 (laughs)

Jonny 25:45 But for people who are, like, uh, in the Halo Top crew, like Halo Top compa... Uh, so Halo Top is between 280 and let's say 400 calories a tub.

Chris Williamson 25:55 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 25:56 Moophoria is slightly higher, so it's around 600, 700 calories a tub.

Chris Williamson 25:59 (gasps)

Jonny 25:59 But it's way, way more than a proportional increase in taste for the increase in calories.

Chris Williamson 26:04 Okay.

Jonny 26:04 Like, I mean, it's Ben & Jerry's.

Chris Williamson 26:05 Is it Moophoria? How do you spell Moophoria?

Jonny 26:08 I think that's what it is.

Chris Williamson 26:08 What's the flavor?

Jonny 26:09 But... So they... I think they only do, like, three or four. There's like a caramel one, chocolate one.

Chris Williamson 26:13 Hang on. So is Moophoria the...

Jonny 26:15 It's a range that they do.

Chris Williamson 26:16 Yeah. Okay.

Jonny 26:16 So, like, they're all purple tubs.

Chris Williamson 26:18 Yeah.

Jonny 26:18 So they have s- like some Ben & Jerry's flavors are just like a lower calorie version. They used to do a frozen yogurt, like back in the day, like back in like 2010.

Chris Williamson 26:27 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 26:28 They've stopped doing that, and they brought this out now. It's very, really good.

Chris Williamson 26:31 So how much of a tub do you need to eat to be satisfied? 'Cause the problem I have with Halo Top-

Jonny 26:38 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 26:39 ... is all well and good telling me that it's only 350 calories per tub, mate.

Jonny 26:43 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:43 But for me to be satisfied, because it's mostly air-

Jonny 26:46 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 26:47 ... I have to-

Jonny 26:48 Eat the whole thing.

Chris Williamson 26:48 ... eat the whole thing.

Jonny 26:49 So I probably would still eat the whole thing.

Chris Williamson 26:54 That's a big chunk of your calories for the day.

Jonny 26:56 Not really.

Chris Williamson 26:57 Seven... Seven...

Jonny 26:57 I think Chris' motto in life is eat the whole thing.

27:00 Yeah.

27:00 Like, that could be his new slogan.

Chris Williamson 27:01 That's why I like it. Like-

Jonny 27:02 Coming from Mr. Granola over here. (laughs) Mr. Granola. (laughs) Fucking hell.

27:03 If I was gonna, if I was gonna not eat the whole thing, I'd just get normal ice cream and have a bit of it. But I just-

27:09 (laughs)

27:09 ... I just don't think that's, that's how

Narrator 27:11 Having a little, little bit.

Chris Williamson 27:11 But what's, what's in a normal tub of Ben & Jerry's? Like 1200 plus?

Jonny 27:15 Yeah.

27:15 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 27:15 Yeah. So you're talking like 50% off cals.

Jonny 27:17 Yeah. And i- and I don't think... So I, I'm not like an ice cream connoisseur, but I don't think on a blind taste test-

Chris Williamson 27:24 You wouldn't tell the difference?

Jonny 27:25 Maybe, maybe normal Ben & Jerry's is, like, way creamier.

27:28 But it's close enough to be ice cream.

27:30 Is... Yeah. Is that, is that really what you're after?

Chris Williamson 27:31 Diet Coke versus normal Coke.

Jonny 27:34 Yeah. Co- Coke Zero.

Chris Williamson 27:36 Actually, I prefer-

Jonny 27:36 Yeah. Co- So the, so the later kind of Cokes that they brought out that are...

Chris Williamson 27:39 Pepsi Max.

Jonny 27:40 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:41 (laughs)

Jonny 27:41 So the other thing, which is a separate life hack, is, I, which is related to this, is I p-... I'm far happier buying a serving of something that I know I can eat the whole thing of-

27:52 Mm-hmm.

27:52 ... than feeling like I have to ration myself. So if I were to bu-... If I were to go, if I were to want some biscuits and I have a pack of, a, a serving of three biscuits in a packet-

28:01 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 28:01 (clears throat)

Jonny 28:01 ... versus taking the three biscuits out of a packet and then putting the packet away, I get way more enjoyment out of the, out of eating the whole pack of three than half or a portion of a pack of 12.

28:11 Th- there's a huge amount of nutritional psychology in that, isn't there? Like, and, and they look at people who have the, people who tend to be the, like, natural weight gainers are the ones that will eat everything that's on their plate. Maybe from the way that we're acculturated or socialized when we're young to, like, "You've got to finish your whole plate, otherwise you're not getting any pudding."

28:30 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 28:31 (laughs)

Jonny 28:31 (laughs) Like, there's, there's that, and there's also the, like, y- we override our own satiety response because we're like, "Well, there's my plate. Gotta finish it."

Chris Williamson 28:38 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 28:38 Yeah. Which is totally-

28:39 'Cause we're supposed to-

Chris Williamson 28:40 Arbitrary amount of food if you haven't served it, right? If mum's put this on your plate-

Jonny 28:44 The vast-

Chris Williamson 28:44 ... the fact that that's the size of your plate-

Jonny 28:45 That's just mum's estimate of it.

Chris Williamson 28:46 Yeah.

Jonny 28:47 And actually now, canteens no longer are allowed to discriminate when they... You know, when they look at, like, big dude, and they're, "Oh, I'll give you an extra bit of chips." And they're not... Now they have to just give people standard-

Chris Williamson 28:56 Portion control.

Jonny 28:57 Like, yeah, so-

28:58 Why?

28:59 Well, just 'cause it's-

29:00 Someone got upset about it.

29:01 Someone, someone got upset.

29:02 Like, it was all fine before.

29:03 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:03 The moment it started getting someone with green hair-

Jonny 29:05 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 29:05 ... do you see-

Jonny 29:06 Got annoyed about it.

Chris Williamson 29:06 Did you see this article that's been shared around by Douglas Murray and, and some people recently, saying, "I'm a heterosexual woman who's politically opposed to heterosexuality. Please help." So it's a woman-

Jonny 29:18 (sighs)

29:18 Politically opposed to it?

Chris Williamson 29:19 So it's a woman-

Jonny 29:20 How can you be...

Chris Williamson 29:21 So it's a woman who's a, a heterosexual woman who is sexually attracted to men, but hates the patriarchy, doesn't like the fact that heterosexual men objectify women. Um, so she is now trying to find a bi-curious man on Grindr who has woke politics but will also fuck her. And this, this all came out recently.

Jonny 29:44 Well, that's like, that's fine. You can do what you like, you know. That's just-

Chris Williamson 29:47 The world's just getting turned upside down, isn't it?

Jonny 29:48 I actually, it sounds like she just needs, like, something better to do.

Yusef 29:51 Good Roger.

Chris Williamson 29:52 Yeah. Yeah, like... (laughs)

Yusef 29:53 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:53 Just like a hobby or, like, a, uh, you know, an interest that isn't just finding something to pick at. I've, I've tried to summarize your life hack as allow the manufacturer to do your portion control for you.

Jonny 30:06 (laughs) So yes, I'm really buying that, like-

30:09 Mm-hmm.

30:09 ... if all of my food came in a packet-

Chris Williamson 30:12 That was-

Jonny 30:13 ... and I could eat the whole thing-

30:14 Just Johnny size food.

30:14 ... I'd be so happy about that.

Chris Williamson 30:15 So you like discrete value. But that's the accountant in you, isn't it?

Jonny 30:19 Yes. It's the fat kid in me.

Chris Williamson 30:20 (laughs)

Jonny 30:21 I like, I like to eat the whole packet. And if the whole packet-

Chris Williamson 30:24 (laughs)

Jonny 30:24 So I've never seen you-

30:25 ... is 2,500 calories with enough protein, I am so content.

30:28 But, yeah. That's it, like I, I don't think I've ever seen you, like, eat a meal and then say...

30:33 Mm.

30:33 There we go, I think, I think I've had enough, there, or I'll-

30:35 I just hope-

30:36 ... I'll have a little bit more off someone else's plate, and now I'm fine.

30:39 I used to have so many arguments-

30:40 It's always just like-

30:40 ... with people when I was dieting, where, like, we'd go out for a meal and I'd be served a portion and I'd be like, "Fuck, I've gotta get out my calories," and they'd go, "Why don't you just eat half of it?"

30:49 And I'd be like, "No, I can't do... Yeah."

30:50 It was stupid. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 30:51 What do you mean? (laughs)

Jonny 30:51 What do you mean eat half of it? Like, I'd far rather eat all of it and know where I am than have to eat half of it and guess.

Chris Williamson 30:57 (laughs)

Jonny 30:57 Like, if I eat ha- all of it, I'll be able to find the calories online and then I'll know I've had that many calories. If I eat half of it, it's like, "Well, did I have 300 grams? 200?"

Chris Williamson 31:04 But that's, that, that, you know that you're gonna put that amount in, you can just put 0.5 servings.

Jonny 31:10 I know, but it's less fun, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 31:11 It is less fun.

Jonny 31:12 There'll be people who, who are listening to this, who think I really, really found-

Chris Williamson 31:15 I agree with that man there.

Jonny 31:16 And I just think- (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:17 I agree with that man.

Jonny 31:17 ... eating all of something is a very satisfying way to just-

Chris Williamson 31:22 It's the accounting.

Jonny 31:23 ... organize your day.

Chris Williamson 31:23 It's the accounting. Right, Yusuf, where you going?

Jonny 31:26 Like, I bet you have a bit of the bag of granola, don't you?

31:29 Oh, yeah, well I've, I've just eaten-

Chris Williamson 31:30 What do you mean a bag of granola? Mate, you, you can't finish boxes of cereal.

Jonny 31:34 Why not?

Chris Williamson 31:35 Because-

Jonny 31:35 Because no one's made it yet.

Chris Williamson 31:36 Because you're mental.

Jonny 31:36 So that's where the gap in the market is, right?

Chris Williamson 31:38 Okay, it's-

Jonny 31:38 What is it? Is it your bag?

Jonny 31:40 This is the Nomo bag. These are incredible. I've had, I mean it's looking a bit tatty now because I've had it for 10 years. But they are designed with MacBooks in mind, so you can slip your little pink MacBook in there, and then it's got a special pocket, as you can probably see, that's lined with very MacBook friendly stuff. Um, this has been all around the world.

32:04 (laughs)

32:04 Just absolutely great for transporting your MacBook around, um, because it...

32:14 (laughs)

32:14 What is funny?

32:15 Oh, please can we try and get, get it on camera? What you won't have seen was just-

32:22 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:24 (laughs)

Jonny 32:24 ... oh, the condoms.

32:26 No, they're-

32:27 No? What?

32:27 No. (laughs)

32:27 Oh, no.

32:27 What the fuck? (laughs)

32:33 (laughs) Well, I've really done it there. But...

Chris Williamson 32:42 (laughs)

Jonny 32:43 I've got condoms too, what about...

32:44 So you, you just got a Mac, a MacBook-

32:46 Why have you got condoms in a... ? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:50 (laughs)

Jonny 32:50 You've just got to have the essentials, but, like, what were you originally laughing at? Like-

32:54 Oh.

32:56 The croissants?

32:57 See, (laughs) in that bag you have a MacBook-

33:00 I'm crying.

33:01 ... condoms, and croissants.

33:02 Yeah. (laughs) And a stethoscope.

33:05 (laughs) So your bag contains a pink MacBook...

Chris Williamson 33:08 No, let's not make that sound on the mic.

Jonny 33:10 Oh, yeah, it's-

33:11 It was-

33:12 ... noisy.

33:12 As you explained the, the MacBook friendly compartment, Chris and I just exchanged a glance of like, "I'm not sure, I'm not sure how-" (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:23 We both gave each other a look, "Dean will be able to make it happen." And we both just went...

Jonny 33:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:28 Um, so, do you want to start?

Jonny 33:31 I ju-, yeah. W- well I think, so what, what I was confused by was, I feel like that's a very common Backput, Back- Backput, backpack feature. That was why I looked at Chris'-

33:42 So, so nowadays. Maybe back in-

33:43 When you-

33:44 ... 10 years ago when, when the Nomo pioneered the-

33:47 You said-

33:48 ... the MacBook holder.

33:49 ... made with MacBook in mind.

33:51 Mm-hmm.

33:53 I think that's a, that's a big claim. Made with MacBook in mind.

33:57 That, that's their, that's their shtick.

Chris Williamson 33:58 Is it?

Jonny 33:59 Yeah, so-

Chris Williamson 34:00 So is it a MacBook laptop and a MacBook backpack?

Jonny 34:00 And actually one of our clients, I was buying a new one, and I looked at the photo and I was like, "Oh, it's Freddie." And it was one of our clients who's a model, and he was modeling the bag.

Chris Williamson 34:11 Ah.

Jonny 34:11 Which was-

Chris Williamson 34:11 It don't matter, it's a good looking bag, and you've had this for forever.

Jonny 34:14 It is.

Chris Williamson 34:14 But I just, I wish that-

Jonny 34:15 You just don't believe it's got a MacBook in mind.

34:16 Man, so- No, so yeah, I-

Chris Williamson 34:17 And the other thing, the other thing as well is you are with a man who has gone for the absolute Ferrari of backpacks here.

Jonny 34:23 I have.

Chris Williamson 34:24 Oh, yeah.

Jonny 34:25 The Built For Athletes one.

Chris Williamson 34:26 Thule.

Jonny 34:27 Mm.

Chris Williamson 34:27 Ah, no. Thule is-

Jonny 34:31 So I used to have a, a Tool.

34:33 Thule.

34:33 But now I have a Built For Athletes one.

Chris Williamson 34:35 Oh, god. You're very CrossFit aren't you?

Jonny 34:36 I know. Well, actually the reason for that is, um, have you seen what's happened to the price of Thule laptops, laptop bags? Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:44 Gone up.

Jonny 34:45 Insane.

Chris Williamson 34:46 Well, their neck, they are unbelievable.

Jonny 34:47 So when I, when I bought mine it was 60 quid.

Chris Williamson 34:49 Uh-huh.

Jonny 34:50 Now, that same bag is over 200 quid.

Chris Williamson 34:53 Wow.

Jonny 34:54 Yeah. And it broke, the one I had. The zip wouldn't open.

Chris Williamson 34:57 You can tell, so what I like about Thule is when you see someone walking through an airport with one on, you're like...

Jonny 35:04 It's just someone who-

35:04 It sounds like you guys are trying to speak Arabic when you say-

35:06 Thule.

35:08 ... Thule.

Chris Williamson 35:08 How do you say it?

Jonny 35:08 How's it spelled?

35:09 T-H-U-L-E.

35:11 Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:12 How would you pronounce that?

Jonny 35:13 Thuel. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:15 (laughs)

Jonny 35:15 Bless you.

Chris Williamson 35:17 Fu- I can't believe that there was condoms in your bag and we weren't even laughing about them.

Jonny 35:21 I can't believe that it was, it was MacBook, condoms, croissants, stethoscope. That's what, that's what you carried.

Chris Williamson 35:25 In that order?

Jonny 35:25 It's the essentials.

35:26 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:27 (laughs)

Jonny 35:28 I also really like how your idea of a portable snack is pastry.

35:32 (laughs) Well it was a double pack of a stoll.

35:35 (laughs) 'Cause you'll often, um, pull out, like, the plastic packet of a, like, a pain au raisin, and there'll be a pain au raisin, you've had one earlier (laughs) and you're having a second one.

Chris Williamson 35:44 Yeah. 'Cause he doesn't finish all of the things. Right.

Jonny 35:46 See I, I would've eaten both of those immediately.

35:47 'Cause it's just like, "Well-"

35:48 Immediately, yeah.

35:49 "... I've got the box, so."

35:49 Because it's, it's like open loo-

35:51 It's like 1,000 calories just then.

35:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 35:52 I've, uh, I've collected some of these over a little while, and some of them are, are real good, but they've been fully integrated into my life that the novelty's worn off.

Jonny 36:01 Right.

Chris Williamson 36:01 That's, that's when you know that they're good, 'cause they've stayed the course. Citymapper.

Jonny 36:05 Mm, I think I know what that is but...

Chris Williamson 36:09 Fucking hell. So any big city-

Jonny 36:11 It's like, how do you survive without it though?

36:12 Without Citymapper, yeah. So, um, it's essentially, it's kind of like Google Maps meets Trainline.com meets the bus timetable. You put your location of where you are now and where you want to go in, and it will give you all of the different options of how to get there. Do you want to hail a cab? Do you want to get a, a mobile bike, a Lime scooter thing? Do you want to do a combination of walking and Tube, walking and Overground train? Do you just want to walk the whole thing? And you just choose-

Chris Williamson 36:42 ... and then once you press go on your chosen route, especially if you're- you're taking the Tube, it's linked in with the Tube timetable, so it tells you what time, what platform you need to go on, "Oh, you need to go northbound, so turn right when you get to the thing." And it downloads it offline, so that when you're underground in the Tube, it will know when you're going, and all you do is swipe right when you've got to the next thing. It even knows the timing, based on when it thinks the Tube would have arrived, and comes up on your phone saying, "You probably need to get off now."

Jonny 37:12 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:12 Like, when it, when it thinks you're at the next stop. Then you get off and you keep on cycling.

Jonny 37:16 So it's not GPS-based, that's time-based?

Chris Williamson 37:19 It does a-

Jonny 37:19 It's a very clever app.

Chris Williamson 37:20 Yeah.

Jonny 37:20 And like, and y- and it's nice having seen it grow over the years, like most

Yusef 37:24 Oh, have you been an, have you been an old user of it?

Jonny 37:26 Yeah. So it used to be relatively rudimentary and only have like one or two cities, and now it's just like includes, yeah-

Chris Williamson 37:31 Exploded.

Jonny 37:32 ... U- Uber, cycling, Bar- the Barclay's bike things, uh, (clears throat) walking estimates, like all the different methods and it just like tells you like, "Okay, that's the quickest. That's the cheapest. Here's how long it'll all take."

Chris Williamson 37:45 That, this is how many calories it'll expend?

Jonny 37:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 37:47 It even tells you how many calories you'll expend by doing each route.

Jonny 37:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 37:50 Man, it's- it's unreal.

Jonny 37:52 Is there-

Chris Williamson 37:52 Citymapper.

Jonny 37:52 Is it... Is there like a paid version? I'm just wondering like what-

Chris Williamson 37:55 I think it's ads.

Jonny 37:56 Right.

Chris Williamson 37:57 I think it must be ads, be an ad model, freemium.

Jonny 38:00 Freemium. Right, Johnny, what have you got?

38:02 Good shout.

Jonny 38:02 Here's me. Uh, this is a journaling thing, for those people who do journaling, which I think is both of you.

Chris Williamson 38:11 And video guy Dean as well.

Jonny 38:12 And Dean.

38:12 The XD.

38:13 So, there's a, a lot of journals do like daily wins, daily gratitude, all that sort of thing. Something that I recently was, it was kind of suggested I try was journal one thing that went badly in the day. So, journal like the worst thing that happened, and then try and flip it. So like, "Why is that? Why is it a good thing that that happened? And then what am I going to do about it tomorrow?" And it's just constant evolution of you take the wo-, take the- the worst part of your day and try and reframe it.

Chris Williamson 38:46 Can you give us some examples of things that you've written?

Jonny 38:51 (exhales) I mean, it's like, it's so, it'll be all-

Chris Williamson 38:53 Tiny.

Jonny 38:53 ... propane, very specific things-

Chris Williamson 38:55 (laughs)

Jonny 38:55 ... about one specific person.

38:55 But say, you're right, like finishing that with, "This is good because..." and then forcing yourself to come up with an answer.

39:01 Yeah. 'Cause there's always, you know like, you know the Jocko Willink video? You know, the good, reload. There's al-, there is always something good.

Chris Williamson 39:08 Well, I think there's, "Had a training session, um, where I was underslept and undereaten. Perfectly fine. I learned how, uh, I was able to get through a session under not perfect circumstances."

Jonny 39:21 Yeah, got to practice that.

Chris Williamson 39:21 Yeah.

Jonny 39:21 Yeah. So like, any, an argument that you had or something that went wrong, like, "Injured my back." Like, why is that good? Well, it's an opportunity to warm up properly in future or et cetera. So it's just-

39:32 Got injured? Good.

Chris Williamson 39:33 Good.

Jonny 39:33 Lost your battalion? Good.

39:35 Brilliant. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:37 So, Jocko, mate.

Jonny 39:37 Look, not everything's fucking good.

39:39 Got shot.

39:39 So, Ben, Ben shared something with me that, um, has ruined Jocko for me forever.

Chris Williamson 39:45 Oh, what?

Jonny 39:46 So, you know how Jocko's Instagram's like just photos of him at 4:00 AM, 4:00 AM at his watch a lot

Yusef 39:50 He takes them in batch and then shows them as a-

Jonny 39:52 No, no, it's not that. It's a video of him, and then the other thing is a photo of the sweat on the floor.

Chris Williamson 39:57 Yeah.

Jonny 39:58 Aftermath.

Chris Williamson 39:58 A ket- single kettlebell.

Jonny 40:00 It was a, it was a video of him doing chin-ups and training in his garage, and you realize like it's just a guy in like his 50s training.

Chris Williamson 40:08 Ah.

Jonny 40:08 And it's just not-

Chris Williamson 40:09 The spectral form has been lost.

Jonny 40:10 It's not at all impressive. And it, and it-

40:13 Oh.

40:13 ... it's like, you're like, "Oh, shit."

Chris Williamson 40:14 Is it bad pull-up form?

Jonny 40:15 Like, it's okay, but you imagine this like-

Chris Williamson 40:18 Hulking, massive.

Jonny 40:20 ... like square jaw, Navy SEAL, like ripping it up.

Chris Williamson 40:23 Yeah.

Jonny 40:23 But actually it's like (breathes out) , and it's just ruined. Ruined.

40:26 His mate is massive though. What's his name?

40:29 (coughs)

Chris Williamson 40:29 Black guy.

Jonny 40:30 Yeah.

40:30 David Goggins.

40:31 No. (laughs) It's not David Goggins.

40:33 Who do you mean, David Goggins?

40:34 Char- it was, it felt like Charlie or something.

40:36 Goggins.

40:37 (laughs)

40:38 (laughs)

Yusef 40:38 I don't know. I don't know who you mean.

Chris Williamson 40:39 I know the one that you mean.

Jonny 40:40 Yeah. Oh, he does the podcast with him. He's like his guest.

Chris Williamson 40:42 Oh, right.

Jonny 40:43 Dave Kay.

40:43 Dave.

Yusef 40:44 David Goggins. (laughs)

Jonny 40:45 His guest.

Chris Williamson 40:46 Right, Yousaf Zaid.

Jonny 40:47 So, okay, rapid fire round. These are the suggestions. "Buy loose bananas instead of packs for less waste at various levels of ripeness." That's from Paul McGurrin. Very clever. So, you, you buy a range of bananas ranging from the most ripe-

Chris Williamson 41:01 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 41:01 ... and then like as the week goes on.

41:03 So you never get caught out.

41:04 You have a- a conveyor belt. Very good. Uh, Page Powerlifts, we're not a fan of this one.

Chris Williamson 41:09 (laughs)

Jonny 41:09 Sorry, Tom. "Drive 10 miles per hour slower on the motorway."

41:13 So that implies you are-

41:14 Fuel economy.

41:15 ... you're driving too fast, in which like, in which case, like obviously you- you might get a ticket. There's a risk with that.

41:22 To be honest, I probably do need to do that because I- I think like it just takes out the rushing mindset. Like-

Chris Williamson 41:26 Well, I think you- you tend to get in a lot of car crashes.

Jonny 41:30 Yeah. I-

41:30 You do like, you love a good, a good bump, don't you? (laughs)

41:33 I love a good bump. So yeah, I need to maybe just slow down a bit. Nick Montes, hi. Uh, Simon Robertson, "Preload multiple bin bags in the bin so in case of a split bag, the mess is contained."

41:45 It's not bad.

41:47 "Windscreen cover for your car in the winter. Costs 10 pounds, saves 30 minutes, better ROI than a shoe." And he's followed up with, "Horn."

Chris Williamson 41:56 No car windscreen takes 30 minutes to clear.

Jonny 41:59 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 41:59 It takes-

Jonny 42:00 But it's not 30 minutes of active effort as well. I think it's like-

42:01 There's always the, there's always the break glass in case of emergency and having lukewarm water. And I know it might crack your windscreen, but if you've got to get somewhere, you've got to get somewhere, haven't you?

Chris Williamson 42:08 Fast, yeah.

Jonny 42:09 So, so, so you know I actually saw-

Chris Williamson 42:10 Assault it.

Jonny 42:10 ... people opposite my house, um, fill up a freeze-, like run into the house, fill up a freezer bag with hot water, run out and like use it to-

Chris Williamson 42:19 Drape it across?

Jonny 42:20 Yeah, so they like draped it-

Chris Williamson 42:21 Wow.

Jonny 42:21 ... and cleared the windscreen, which I thought was very clever, because then it-

Chris Williamson 42:23 If, if, if you've got a life hack...

Jonny 42:24 ... it looked weird. But, uh-

Chris Williamson 42:25 I know that, I know that Yousaf is- is deploying something that he's been sent here by people that follow the propane Instagram. If you have any life hacks, put them in the show notes below, or, uh, sorry, put them in the comments below on YouTube, or just message them to me and I'll feature them next time if they're not shit.

Jonny 42:40 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 42:41 But if it's drive slower-... you're not getting on it, come and get it.

Jonny 42:46 So, well, o- one of these has to win, win our ebook. So the final two, Pete Collum beard apron - collects all the hair.

Chris Williamson 42:55 Ah, no.

Jonny 42:56 I i- imagine that's, like, a, a device that you wear around your neck and it just, like-

Chris Williamson 42:58 Have you seen it? Yeah, so it's like you wear this necklace around the back of your neck, and it's a sheet of material that then goes on a suction cups that go onto the-

Jonny 43:06 Oh, I see. Uh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 43:07 ... mirror.

Jonny 43:08 Ah, okay. (laughs) So, so if someone comes in the bathroom and sees you, they're just like-

Chris Williamson 43:12 What are you doing?

Jonny 43:13 What are you doing? (laughs)

43:13 Is, is the final one good?

43:14 Monzo linked to If This Then That, automatically save money every day. I'd like to see how you implement that, Pete, 'cause, uh, that could be quite good.

43:22 I think I know which Pete that is.

43:23 Ramit Sethi's a big fan of, um, automating your finances. I think if you-

43:27 He is.

43:27 ... if you don't do that, you're a willy, because bills don't need to be paid manually.

Chris Williamson 43:32 Oh, God.

Jonny 43:33 Uh-

Chris Williamson 43:33 Direct, just direct debit everything.

Jonny 43:35 Oh.

43:35 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 43:36 (laughs)

Jonny 43:36 It's, it, it's like going back to a manual car now, like, thinking, "Oh, I've got to now, I have to think about manually changing the transmission in my car as I change speed." Like, why is that ever a human action to do?

43:46 requirement, yeah. There are some people, some coaches that I've worked with that have, that have billed me manually with an invoice.

43:52 Yeah.

43:52 Like, fuck.

43:53 Ugh.

43:54 Just, see, I just set up a direct debit to them, but yeah.

43:56 So I think my favorite out of them is the bananas at ByRangers write bad posts.

Chris Williamson 43:59 Banana one, 'cause bananas, banana made it.

Jonny 44:01 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 44:01 ByRangers write bananas has made it onto the life hacks thing. All the other ones can't.

Jonny 44:04 You can't do that with apples, can you?

Chris Williamson 44:06 Or you've made it-

Jonny 44:06 I prefer an apple to a banana, personally.

44:08 Having a, a really overripe apple is horrible as well.

44:12 Is that when it's soft?

44:13 When it's a bit wrinkly, wrinkly and like-

44:15 Yeah.

44:15 ... fuck you.

Chris Williamson 44:16 Um, okay so my next one is improve your email signature. So I had a terrible email signature. It was all that, um, "If this, this message is for the intended recipient. If we scan our viruses, it's not a thing." Like-

Jonny 44:37 Think of the environment before you print it.

Chris Williamson 44:39 Yeah, mate, who the fuck ca- No one's g- If someone gets infected with a virus 'cause you've sent it to them, they're not gonna go, "Oh, well, he had that disclaimer on the bottom that said, 'Voodoo Events do all they can to try and scan for viruses,' please be-"

Jonny 44:51 It's like when people put on YouTube, "No copyright infringement intended." You're like, "I don't think that protects you from-"

Chris Williamson 44:55 Oh yeah, mate, 'cause DCMS are gonna really be-

Jonny 44:58 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 44:58 ... worried about that. They're not gonna crack down on you because you've stolen a load of Michael Jackson music 'cause of that.

Jonny 45:03 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:03 So my email signature, went through, um, and just cut it down to the bare minimum, which also includes name, so I never have to say, "Thanks, Chris," now, which I kind of was doing before 'cause it was obviously clunky. That then create the email signature on Gmail. Hyperlink the text so you can cre- select the text so it says, "Philly night clubs at Voodoo Newcastle, Voodoo Newcastle," links to our website.

Jonny 45:32 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 45:32 Host of Modern Wisdom podcast, Modern Wisdom links. Then you can copy and paste that across into Notes. Copy and paste that out of Notes into your email signature section on iPhone, and it will retain the hyperlinks as well.

Jonny 45:47 Right.

Chris Williamson 45:48 And all of the formatting.

Jonny 45:49 You've also got the quote below and you, like, "'Tis better to have loved and lost than never loved at all."

Chris Williamson 45:54 It might have been, i- i- that was last week. It's live, laugh, love now.

Jonny 45:56 Live, laugh, love, yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:59 Yeah.

Jonny 45:59 Good, good memory.

46:00 I lo- it's, it's (laughs) like, it's my favorite type of... uh, I know people don't frap anymore, but putting a really inane quote that, like, is, like, pseudo-inspirational that you'd imagine on, like, some-

46:11 (laughs)

46:11 ... someone's Instagram (laughs) -

Chris Williamson 46:13 (laughs)

Jonny 46:13 ... like, with, like, text and then, like, a background-

Chris Williamson 46:15 Jordan Peterson's, Jordan Peterson's personal email address has, "The truth will set you free." I'm not kidding. (laughs)

Jonny 46:21 Oh, Jordan.

46:23 Really?

Chris Williamson 46:23 (laughs)

Jonny 46:23 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 46:23 Anyway.

Jonny 46:23 Mine's just on my Apple Mail, like, when I select the email account I want to mail from, it brings up the signature.

46:28 Johan Arthur Blobson.

46:30 Exactly.

46:30 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 46:31 Esquire.

Jonny 46:31 Yeah. The, I w- I have heard that it s- I can't remember who it was, was like, if you, if you sell anything, put the URL in the thing.

46:39 Sell it at £7 an hour. (laughs)

46:40 (laughs) Sell it at £7.29. Put the URL in the signature and then p- like, it's just free traffic, free clicks.

Chris Williamson 46:46 It's f- it's the most free traffic you'll ever get on that.

Jonny 46:47 The trouble with that is we email a lot of customers, and I don't want customers back in the front end. That's the w-

46:53 (laughs)

46:53 That's my worst nightmare. All the work I've had to do to segment and split them off in the right place.

Chris Williamson 46:58 Yeah.

Jonny 46:58 And then I email them and-

46:59 And they reopt into-

Chris Williamson 47:00 ... track their link. Yeah. Oh, my God. (laughs)

Jonny 47:01 Oh, God. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:02 Right, Johnny, Johnny.

Jonny 47:04 Johnny. Um, so this is a bit of a theme that I've been trying to do, um, this year. So kind of like my new year thing was to, um, which is influenced from a guy called Sam Ovens, who I know you're a massive fan of Chris.

Chris Williamson 47:21 Sam Ovens.

Jonny 47:21 Um, but just the idea of... So what I, what, what I've alwa- historically done is, um, with any of my, like, self-improvement or habits or anything like that, and this is the b- I think this is the best way to find life hacks, is I've typically had, like, weekends where I'll wake up late or do things a bit differently, or, like, I'll modify my days a bit. But I've tried as much as possible to wake up at the same time every day. So, like, I'm, like, a minute out since, like, the 5th of January or whatever. Go to bed same time every day, train the same days of the same week at the same time, eat at the same time. So you just create this, like, framework over your day that is the same every time. So you start to feel hungry at the same time. You start to feel tired at the same time. And then my morning routine is exactly the same, and I've got it down to an hour. So, I, I mean, I know you were chatting about this last time, like, if you know... So I know that by 8:00 AM I'm done, go downstairs, coffee, feed Dexter, Becca walks Dexter, go upstairs, cold shower, start work by this time. Everything, everything in your life is so much easier 'cause, like you aren't... What Sam says is like, you're not fighting hormones. Like, you're not fighting, like, randomly feeling hungry at 10:00 AM 'cause you ate then yesterday, not randomly feeling tired at 9:30. But when you've got that running, so, like, part... the, the life hack is one, rather than trying to do what I think most people do is they're like, "Right, now is the time I'm gonna improve myself. I'm gonna pick this really complicated thing and try and stick to it." Pick, like, the most basic bitch version and do it perfectly for, like, 14 days. And then...... try and pick the little optimization points.

Chris Williamson 48:54 What's an example of that?

Jonny 48:55 So, the guy you interviewed, the Efficiency Is Everything guy, spoke about, like, write out your morning routine, for example, and then look for little ways you can make it better. So rather than, like, "I'm going to wake up and stretch and journal and read and exercise and have a prote-- like, pick, like, three things or one thing that you know you're going to be able to do, and prove it to yourself that for 14 days, I'm never going to miss. Then add one thing in. And when you just, when you have that, you can spot, like, actually, like, "I could add this and that would make that a li- a little bit better or a little bit quicker." Like, "I'll brush my teeth," then ... actually that's another one.

Chris Williamson 49:29 So-

Jonny 49:29 Hmm. (laughs)

49:31 (laughs) So to, to add to that then, the thing that this guy talked about, and he used the example of w- Henry Ford's, uh, first public speech about his manufacturing process.

49:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 49:45 That was my example. Oh. Was it not when he gets undressed?

Jonny 49:48 Yeah, okay.

Chris Williamson 49:49 That's my example. Don't give it to him.

Jonny 49:50 Oh, God. Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 49:51 Motherfucker.

Jonny 49:52 Sorry, Chris's example- (laughs) Yeah, you motherfucker.

49:54 ... of where he, rather than, um, doing up his shirt from top to bottom and then putting his tie on, it was, put the shirt buttons on from bottom to top, and then his hands were already in the same spot to do the tie.

50:08 (laughs)

50:08 And although that sounds like a silly thing, when it's, when it's Henry Ford and that's-

50:11 Yeah. (laughs)

50:11 ... scaled over a manufacturing process for a car, it's like every-

Chris Williamson 50:15 You get the Ford Motor Company.

Jonny 50:16 Yeah, like-

50:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:17 ... that's what you get. And, and so the idea of, like, batching your tasks so that you have your toothbrush and floss in the shower. You wake up, you turn the shower on, you go and boil the kettle, you come back, clothes off, in the shower, you wash your ...

50:37 It's shampoo, and then you let, and you let the soap-

50:39 Shampoo. That's it, so you wash your body from top to bottom-

50:41 Mm-hmm.

50:42 ... rather than, like, lather up the lower parts of your body and then try and work up, and then you've got-

50:46 Mm-hmm.

50:46 ... more cleaning to do.

50:47 I think that, that ... I know, I know it s- sounds so basic, like, I nearly didn't say it 'cause, like, to say, like, "Just do the same thing every day," sounds so pathetically simple.

50:54 But it's, it's actually very hard when you're self-employed as well, and there's no limits on your time.

50:57 Yeah. No, there's no framework. So, like, I know my shower is ten minutes long. There's a very specific reason why it's ten minutes long, 'cause I'm progressively adding cold to the end of it.

51:05 (laughs)

51:06 But, like, I know pretty much within a five-minute window when I'm starting work, and so then I know when I'll finish work.

Chris Williamson 51:12 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 51:13 And it just ... everything is, is so much easier. And there'll be people who are like, "Yeah, obviously, mate." But, like, how many people lie in on the weekend because they think that that's improving their sleep, when actually it almost certainly isn't? So just try that.

Chris Williamson 51:28 That's one method, I think.

Jonny 51:29 That's really, really helped me.

51:30 That's, that is great. And I th- so I think that principle can apply to a lot of work as well, which is, like ... A- a- and this is where Gantt charts come in, where if you're not aware of what a Gantt chart is, it's where you have multiple streams or, um, strands of a, of a process, all happening in parallel. And then you've got to see which ones are bottlenecked by other ones. So which one is required before you can do the next one, which ones need to be started and then left to run on their own-

51:57 Mm-hmm.

51:57 ... and don't require further input, but you need to wait for them. And basically, what can you look at within a large project, that you can set all these dominoes off, go away and do something else rather than sit and wait for that domino to fall-

52:10 Mm-hmm.

52:10 ... and then come back to it. You'll find you can compress quite a lot of tasks into ... So it's like you go into a lift, people come in the lift, you fart then-

52:18 (laughs)

52:18 ... and then you get out of the lift. Like, it's, it's perfect. Rather than farting at the beginning of you lifting the ...

Chris Williamson 52:23 A perfect, a perfect way to put that. You do not need a Gantt chart to make this work. You can do it quite easily just off your own back. But a perfect example of that is, if you're going to sit down and do a morning routine, and you have a coffee as a part of your morning routine, make the coffee at the beginning and allow it to cool throughout.

Jonny 52:38 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:39 And it means that the cooling is a, it's a process which has to occur, you might as well allow yourself to do other things whilst ... I bet when you have coffee, you probably make your coffee before the shower?

Jonny 52:49 So the, the most frustrating part of my morning routine at the moment is between waking up and, like, starting my ... so the first thing I do is I'll read.

Chris Williamson 52:57 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 52:57 'Cause it's like the lowest kind of effort thing to do. But I'm just so, like ... even though I'm getting, like, seven and a half hours of sleep, seven and a half hours of sleep, I'll wake up and I'm a bit-

Chris Williamson 53:05 Groggy.

Jonny 53:05 ... slow. So, but, but this is the thing, and this is kind of what I mean, like, what I'm looking for now is what can I do to kind of (Clicks fingers)

Chris Williamson 53:13 11:00 till 11:00 till morn-

Jonny 53:13 ... jolt me awake? So that's what I'm gonna add.

Chris Williamson 53:15 Man.

Jonny 53:15 So this is, this is why I bought a 50-quid trampoline.

53:20 I'm so ready for this.

Chris Williamson 53:21 Stop the podcast.

Jonny 53:22 (laughs)

53:22 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:22 Stop the podcast.

Jonny 53:24 (laughs)

53:24 I think, I think that deserves just reversing the order of the ...

Chris Williamson 53:26 Yeah, thank you.

Jonny 53:27 (laughs) Just put that at the beginning.

Chris Williamson 53:29 What?

Jonny 53:30 So, you know a rebounder trampoline? Do you know what I mean? Like, a small trampoline?

Chris Williamson 53:34 I know what a small trampoline is.

Jonny 53:36 So a small trampoline. So imagine a small trampoline.

Chris Williamson 53:38 I am that.

Jonny 53:40 Bought one of those. The reason is, um, I know that when I ... so, like, you s- you mentioned you go for a walk first thing, right? Don't really want to do that, 'cause I do that anyway with Dexter about an hour or so later. Don't really want to train 'cause I, I typically feel, like, overall worse. Thought about doing, like, I, I could do burpees, or, like, I, if I move, it might, like, get my blood flowing. But, like, realistically, who is going to wake up and do burpees? No one.

Chris Williamson 54:08 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 54:08 So get on a trampoline and bounce. You get off a trampoline, firstly, it's way harder than you think. Like, way harder than you think. Secondly, there's not really any physical impact at all, other than ...

54:22 (laughs)

54:22 Feel the weight now.

Chris Williamson 54:23 So you, just to recap.

Jonny 54:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:25 You've bought a trampoline.

Jonny 54:26 Yes.

Chris Williamson 54:27 Like ...

Jonny 54:28 Like a ... it's, if you imagine a big trampoline-

Chris Williamson 54:30 It's a little one.

Jonny 54:31 ... smaller one.

Chris Williamson 54:32 Yes. And you're going to ... that's gonna be your thing.

Jonny 54:34 I am doing that.

Chris Williamson 54:35 Bouncing.

Jonny 54:35 I've been ... yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:36 Okay.

Jonny 54:36 Bounce.

Chris Williamson 54:37 So the Biohackers Handbook-

Jonny 54:39 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 54:40 ... suggests that-

Jonny 54:41 Don't say not bouncing a trampoline.

Chris Williamson 54:43 Uh, it doesn't bring up that specific ... Surprisingly, it doesn't actually have any tips about that. What it does say is going upside down, so inversion.

Jonny 54:51 Ah, fuck's sake.

Chris Williamson 54:51 So that might be worth trying. You could alternate. You could do t- trampoline one day ...

Jonny 54:55 To be honest, I'd be well out for that.

Chris Williamson 54:56 So hands ... so it would be a-

Jonny 54:57 I think, I need grabbing boots.

Chris Williamson 54:58 Uh, no, no, no, no. So it's ... you need to be upside down with hands on ground.... so you'd kick up onto a wall like you would have, used to have done in CrossFit.

Jonny 55:06 I struggle, Chris, to get in a handstand. Like the chances of me getting into a handstand, uh, 10 out of 7.

Chris Williamson 55:11 Well, this is how you'll, this is how you'll get your domain and confidence up so you can do it. But, um, so-

Jonny 55:15 I think you're very physically capable of it.

55:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:17 Yes, and it's not, it's not to do a press, it's just to go into a handstand like a-

Jonny 55:20 And that just gets the blood down to your head.

Chris Williamson 55:22 That's precisely what it's doing, yeah. Um, and hyperextension-

Jonny 55:26 Oh, did you do that?

55:26 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:26 A little bit, yeah. I did it when I was 13.

Jonny 55:28 Good knowledge.

Chris Williamson 55:29 Um, yeah, it's because first thing in the morning, your adenosine receptors aren't active. That's why you don't need caffeine within the first 90 minutes. So your adrenal system is what's, uh, active, that and... what's the stress hormone?

Jonny 55:44 Cortisol.

Chris Williamson 55:44 Cortisol, uh, 'cause that's what wakes you up in the morning, right?

Jonny 55:46 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 55:47 Um, so adrenal system gets activated, salt, lemon, water, and going upside down.

Jonny 55:52 My god. I'm gonna do it.

Chris Williamson 55:55 I bet. I mean, that's your sort of dr-... You're upside down just for fun.

Jonny 55:58 Yeah, it's true. I, I just love being upside down, so I'm gonna start doing that. Uh, I'll do-

Chris Williamson 56:01 Do you prefer being upside down to being the right way up?

Jonny 56:04 It's, it's really meditative, and a lot of, a lot of really advanced handstanders, like, become very... Like, they, they all describe it as a very meditative experience. I think it's because, like, you know the zen things of, like, balancing stones or-

Chris Williamson 56:16 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jonny 56:16 It's just that. Like you, you're totally focused on maintaining your line.

Chris Williamson 56:20 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 56:20 And it's, it does just like...

56:22 So it feels like it's, it, it would be beneficial. It just, it's just more shoulder load, isn't it? More like stability.

Chris Williamson 56:27 There's a lot of you going through your arms as well.

Jonny 56:29 Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.

56:30 Holding 100 kilos above-

56:31 I find it hard.

56:31 Over your head? Ugh.

Chris Williamson 56:31 Like hundred, hundred kilo over-... Overhead press.

Jonny 56:33 Overhead.

56:34 Overhead. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 56:34 Um, so I've put yours down as eat, sleep, and train at the same time. Add habits in post.

Jonny 56:40 Yeah, so like once you've got that, like once you're running and, and kind of doing that consistently, then looking for like, "How can I improve this?" That's what your habits are. So it's like-

Chris Williamson 56:50 So minimum viable product on, on how to-

Jonny 56:51 Yeah, it's like, so before you're like, "How can I make my three-hour morning routine?" think like, "Well, why don't I wake up at the same time every day for five days and then start to slowly add things in?" So just adding onto that, I didn't know that there's a, a, a rationale behind it, but I've always found first coffee of the day, decaf. So the coffee I have in the morning, like while I'm doing my morning routine, is decaf. I don't have a caffeine till 8:00 or 9:00. I just feel better that way.

Chris Williamson 57:17 What time are you waking up?

Jonny 57:18 10:00, s- 6:50.

Chris Williamson 57:20 Oh, 'cause-

Jonny 57:20 Between 6:49 and 6:51.

57:24 (laughs)

57:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:24 (laughs) I love that there's a window that's that tight.

Jonny 57:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:27 But still a window.

Jonny 57:28 Well, you know, I'm only human, Chris.

Chris Williamson 57:30 Yeah. Yusuf?

Jonny 57:32 Speaking of making these little optimizations and, you know, you do it in like a social situation where you, you might have met people that when they introduce themselves and they say their name, and they kind of mumble it or they say it in a weird way, or like they've got a name like Iona, and they go, "My name's Iona. What's up?" And you're there like, "What?"

Chris Williamson 57:52 (laughs)

Jonny 57:52 Like, and so something I'd like both of your advice on is when you're doing a rectal exam on someone, you'll... The typical thing that people say is, "Can you bear down on my finger?" And most people are like, they don't understand. But then if you say, "Squeeze my finger," sometimes they'll, they'll try and reach round and try and squeeze your finger.

Chris Williamson 58:12 (laughs)

Jonny 58:13 So Mike has res- resorted to saying, "Imagine you're mid-poo and you have to quickly nip it off and..." But, but I think saying, starting a sentence with imagine, uh, it's too involved-

58:27 So is there-

58:28 ... and too abstract.

58:28 So just to get... uh, while you were describing that, previously I tried to bear down with my bum. I was like, "What would I do?" And I squeezed my glutes.

58:35 But some people think that's flex, some people think it's relax, like...

Chris Williamson 58:38 Yeah, 'cause Sienna Day-

Jonny 58:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:41 ... would say, "Push your ass hole out."

Jonny 58:43 But that's as if you're going to have a, have a poo, isn't it? And the on- the other one that I've heard one person use, terrible, is, "Imagine you're trying to suck a straw through your bum."

58:53 I think that's brilliant.

Chris Williamson 58:55 There's a lot of glute activation going on while they're trying to do that.

Jonny 58:57 So, but, so one, it, the, the first one was like bear down, I think, I think hip thrust.

59:02 Oh, okay.

59:03 Whereas when you said, "Nip off the poo," I'm like, "Yep, I know exactly what he means. I know exactly what he means."

59:07 I see. 'Cause squeeze my finger, remember, like, you, this is people who like, if you say, "Squeeze my finger," and they're not, might be a bit confused, might be a bit delirious, they wo-... You've got to give them the most-

Chris Williamson 59:15 They're also laid on their side on a medical examination bed with their pants around their knees.

Jonny 59:21 With a finger up their bum.

59:22 So, so you can't be too...

59:24 What's your solution? And what's the question?

59:26 I-

59:26 'Cause you initially said-

59:27 I think nip-

59:28 ... someone called Iona, and now we're talking about-

Chris Williamson 59:30 Yeah, why is this remembering your name?

Jonny 59:31 I think try and nip off my finger is the best.

Chris Williamson 59:32 What did Iona have to do with it?

Jonny 59:34 Well, if you've got like... I don't know. What, what's a, a name that doesn't work well with "My name is" or "I am"? "I am" am I mean.

Chris Williamson 59:41 What's that got to do with a rectal exam?

Jonny 59:43 'Cause it's... That, that's one of the optimizations. That's like something that you do a lot. Well, something I do a lot.

59:48 Oh, I see.

59:49 Um-

59:49 Like improving a sentence.

59:50 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 59:51 Oh.

Jonny 59:51 Improving a thing you say all the time.

59:52 And then, uh, that optimizes it over time. So looking at the things that you do and what-

59:58 Maybe just like, try and stop pooing.

1:00:01 (laughs) I'm not pooing.

Chris Williamson 1:00:03 You're not pooing all over your hand? (laughs)

Jonny 1:00:04 But, but, uh, uh, I, I think Mike's got it.

1:00:07 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:08 Mike, Mike might have it.

Jonny 1:00:08 Of all of those things...

1:00:09 Try and nip off the poo. It's-

1:00:11 I think just imagine you're trying to, imagine you were trying to stop yourself from pooing. What would you do?

Chris Williamson 1:00:14 That's, that's kind of...

Jonny 1:00:15 Like if you're having a poo-

Chris Williamson 1:00:15 Why do they want to do... Why do you want to do that? To see if they can hold it in their toes.

Jonny 1:00:18 The doorbell rings.

1:00:18 Yeah, but then, but sometimes you get people that you're like, "Have you got any pain?" "Oh, I've got some pain in my chest." You're like, "Ugh." Like, you're just saying that, and what that means now is I'm going to have to do a series of blood test, or like-

1:00:28 Or like put my finger in your bum.

1:00:29 "Can you feel your bum hole?" And they'll be like, "Uh, not really," and you're like... you realize the impact of you saying that.

Chris Williamson 1:00:34 (laughs)

Jonny 1:00:34 It's like-

Chris Williamson 1:00:35 This decision.

Jonny 1:00:36 'Cause-

1:00:36 "Can you definitely feel your..." It's like, right. I will ha... And then sometimes they're, "Oh, no, actually I can't." But then, yeah. Uh, anyway, um-

Chris Williamson 1:00:43 If they knew the consequences of saying, "I'm not sure if I can feel my bum hole," a lot more people would say, "I can feel my bum hole."

Jonny 1:00:48 Exactly. 'Cause y- y- there are people that are not... Maybe it's just like someone asks them, "Do you have this?" And then, "Oh, maybe I do."

Chris Williamson 1:00:54 That's like signing up to one of the very, very long email trigger sequences on propanefitness.com, isn't it?

Jonny 1:01:00 Yeah.

1:01:00 That's it.

Chris Williamson 1:01:00 If you press the wrong button, you are-

Jonny 1:01:02 That's it.

Chris Williamson 1:01:02 ... 30 days of-

Jonny 1:01:04 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:04 ... one email a day.

Jonny 1:01:04 If you opt, if you opt in, that's it.

Chris Williamson 1:01:06 But obviously you can unsubscribe because of GDPR, of course.

Jonny 1:01:08 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:08 Jailbreak. But if you don't unsubscribe ... I have a totally neutral feeling towards someone needing to do a rectal exam on me.

Jonny 1:01:15 Neutral feeling? That's good, like you-

Chris Williamson 1:01:16 Well, uh, I think just because-

Jonny 1:01:17 ... wouldn't break my mind.

Chris Williamson 1:01:17 ... I, I like to think I would only get myself in that position-

Jonny 1:01:20 If it was needed?

Chris Williamson 1:01:21 ... if it was needed. Yeah. I can't imagine it being this, like, someone saying it and me going, "Oh, no. God, what more is there to do?"

Jonny 1:01:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:01:27 'Cause like, well, th- that needs to happen.

Jonny 1:01:29 Well, the, the, the gr- the ... I guess it's the good thing, maybe not. This comes back to like li- is it Life Hacks 101 or something?

Chris Williamson 1:01:35 (laughs)

Jonny 1:01:35 Where we were saying would it improve or reduce your enjoyment if the other party enjoyed it.

Chris Williamson 1:01:41 Was getting pleasure from it?

Jonny 1:01:42 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:42 Yeah.

Jonny 1:01:42 But ... because most of the time, like, the, the person doing it also isn't-

Chris Williamson 1:01:45 That's kind of-

Jonny 1:01:46 ... isn't having a great time either. They're just-

Chris Williamson 1:01:47 (laughs) On Peep Show, they ask each other, one of them's like, "Could you, could you have sex with me if you ha-

Jonny 1:01:53 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:01:53 ... if you had to?" And he was like, "Yeah. As long as I think you weren't enjoying it, I could do it." And he was like, "You could have sex with me if you were raping me." "But you couldn't have sex with me if I was enjoying it." (laughs)

Jonny 1:02:06 It's, it's terrible.

Chris Williamson 1:02:07 But it's-

Jonny 1:02:07 It's such a-

Chris Williamson 1:02:08 (laughs)

Jonny 1:02:08 ... perfect illustration of, like, why is it that our minds work in that way.

Chris Williamson 1:02:11 Yeah. Right. You, sir.

Jonny 1:02:13 Book Book. I've ... Jonny mentioned, ah, the-

Chris Williamson 1:02:16 Oh, it's a new Book Book?

Jonny 1:02:16 Yeah. So, so Jonny mentioned the Mous last time.

Chris Williamson 1:02:19 You got rid of your Mous?

Jonny 1:02:20 I didn't like it.

Chris Williamson 1:02:22 Can we ... 'cause there's people listening that don't know what's happening here.

Jonny 1:02:24 Okay. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:02:25 (laughs)

Jonny 1:02:25 That's true, I'm just saying words for the audio people. So Mous is a iPhone case that-

Chris Williamson 1:02:31 Is brilliant.

Jonny 1:02:32 ... is very protective. Their, their marketing is about throwing it off buildings and all that kind of stuff.

Chris Williamson 1:02:37 Got you.

Jonny 1:02:38 And it's a single case. You can't store-

Chris Williamson 1:02:40 We've al- we've already gone through it. (clears throat)

Jonny 1:02:42 We've gone through it?

Chris Williamson 1:02:42 Well, yeah, because Jonny talked about it till- Did you think I was- ... Do you think I was going for your, for your bit?

Jonny 1:02:46 So, oh, no. So th- this is the ... It's called a Torro. Similar to Book Book, just a, basically a leather case. It's because I tried to just Final Frontier, only carry my phone around, never do cash. And I got caught out at the barber's. Was having a haircut. The guy was even telling me about, "Oh, there was this scumbag who just did a runner and, uh, he said he was going to go to the cash machine and he just left and he, he didn't pay and he absolutely..." And I'm like, "Oh, terrible. Like, I would never do that." And then at the end, he was like, "Right, £10." And I was like, "Do you take card?" "No." "I haven't got it, haven't even got a card with me, I've just got my Mous and my phone so I can't withdraw cash and I can't ... I don't have any cash." And then I forgot to return the cash to him, so I had to get a-

Chris Williamson 1:03:28 So you were the person-

Jonny 1:03:29 I was.

Chris Williamson 1:03:29 ... preemptively that he was talking about.

Jonny 1:03:31 I was. So I had to get my girlfriend to go and pay later.

Chris Williamson 1:03:32 We just got to discover great that Mous' magnetic thing is, you know, the-

Jonny 1:03:34 The wallet thing?

Chris Williamson 1:03:35 ... the Chris wouldn't let me-

Jonny 1:03:36 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:03:37 ... forget about. But I understand.

Jonny 1:03:38 But luckily, Book Book does a bunch of things. Protects your phone if you drop it.

Chris Williamson 1:03:42 Can you describe what it is for the people that are listening to this?

Jonny 1:03:44 It's just a leather book-shaped case.

Chris Williamson 1:03:47 But it's front and back, right? It's not a case.

Jonny 1:03:50 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:03:50 It's, it's actually a, a screen cover as well, but all leather.

Jonny 1:03:53 It is a scree- it is. I've, I've had people take the piss out of me at work for being a dad 'cause I make a-

Chris Williamson 1:03:58 It is a bit dad.

Jonny 1:03:58 I make a lot of dad jokes and I've got a very dad phone case.

Chris Williamson 1:04:01 The last one was very, very Muslim. Yeah, the last one looked like a little-

Jonny 1:04:04 Very Muslim. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:04:05 ... a little miniature sort of religious script.

Jonny 1:04:08 Oh yeah, it was. Yeah, very much.

Chris Williamson 1:04:10 Like a Qu- Qur'an. (laughs) Qur'an.

Jonny 1:04:11 The other great thing is, if you do a lot of videos or if you, I guess, if you sit on trains and watch, um, Netflix or something-

Chris Williamson 1:04:18 You can stand it up as a little stand.

Jonny 1:04:19 Look at that.

Chris Williamson 1:04:19 You don't e- wait. Oh. Did you just use the AirPods case? Get ... Ah.

Jonny 1:04:23 Ah.

Chris Williamson 1:04:23 Ah, yeah.

Jonny 1:04:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:04:24 I mean, or your water bottle.

Jonny 1:04:25 If, if you wanna pay £250 for two tampons that you put in your ears, then-

Chris Williamson 1:04:29 Speaking of which, I've lost my AirPod Pro case. Oh, Craig.

Jonny 1:04:33 You've lost the case but not the ...

Chris Williamson 1:04:34 Buds, buds themselves. It'll only be like £450 quid for a new one. 80. Not bad. Could be worse. Mm-hmm. I was expecting worse. Could be worse.

Jonny 1:04:40 How much are the pods themselves?

Chris Williamson 1:04:42 Uh, don't know.

Jonny 1:04:43 70 bucks 'cause-

Chris Williamson 1:04:45 I don't know.

Jonny 1:04:46 ... is it cheaper to just buy a left pod than-

Chris Williamson 1:04:47 You can't ... It's not the w- they don't make cases. No, not easily, no. No, they don't, no.

Jonny 1:04:50 Mm.

Chris Williamson 1:04:50 No. Right, uh, let's do ... I'll do one more and then we'll do a quick fire round. Um. Goodness me. So okay. Right, this one, this one's a real, a real hack. So I flew, uh, Emirates a fair bit this winter and on both the flight to and the flight back from Dubai to Bali, uh, one of my friends was on who's a girl who's one of the f- uh, air hostesses. And she gave me a hack of how to get unlimited free internet on Emirates. Is it to know one of the air hostesses?

Jonny 1:05:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:24 And I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it- (laughs)

Jonny 1:05:26 And maybe have had sex with them.

Chris Williamson 1:05:29 (laughs) Definitely hadn't had sex with her. Um, so- At that point.

Jonny 1:05:32 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:32 ... when you-

Jonny 1:05:33 That day.

Chris Williamson 1:05:33 (laughs) ... when you go on, when you go on Emirates, it'll come up and it'll say, um, "How do you w-" Like, On Air, it's called Emirates On Air, and, um, you get to choose do you want unlimited instant messaging or 20 megabytes of data. 20 megabytes of data is like a trial thing, and then after that you've got to pay for however much you have after that. Mm. Um, choose the 20 megabytes of data thing so you don't want to be restricted to just the messaging. Mm-hmm. 20 megabytes of data. And once you've used it, go back into your settings, go to the wifi network that you're on, press in On Air, the little I. Then as you see it, there'll be a bunch of things like a renew lease and a DCID and other stuff. Client ID, that's just three numbers. Change those to th- any other three numbers and it'll reset and you can just- Mm. ... use 20 megabytes again and just keep going. (laughs) That is unlimited free internet on ever- every Emirates flight for the rest of time.

Jonny 1:06:28 Have we talked about-

Chris Williamson 1:06:29 Right now.

Jonny 1:06:29 ... that on, when I had that on Emirates?

Chris Williamson 1:06:32 Yes.

Jonny 1:06:32 Uh ...

Chris Williamson 1:06:32 And you went over somewhere that got you data and then you were gonna be charged £700. I think you used-

Jonny 1:06:37 £3,700.

Chris Williamson 1:06:38 (laughs) 3,000. You fell a- didn't you fall asleep?

Jonny 1:06:41 I, I fell asleep s-

Chris Williamson 1:06:42 'Cause I remember you messaged me and you were like- You didn't turn roaming off and wanted to complain at O2?

Jonny 1:06:46 Yeah, I just didn't ... I, I just didn't put my phone on airplane mode, like went to sleep. 40 minutes into the flight, opened my phone. Text, welcome to On Air Flight 200.

Chris Williamson 1:06:54 Ukraine.

Jonny 1:06:55 Yeah, and it was like, "You are being charged-"

Chris Williamson 1:06:56 I, I paid-

Jonny 1:06:57 "... £8 a megabyte."

Chris Williamson 1:06:58 I pay £1,000 quid for a footage of