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135 min read · 27,090 words- 0:00 – 1:06
Intro
- CWChris Williamson
... landmine press for shoulders and it's so safe.
- JOJonny
Just feels right, doesn't it? Just feel like the right thing to do.
- CWChris Williamson
But that's because-
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... you've managed to take a movement that was supposed to be pressing vertically and made it go a little bit more close to a bench press. (laughs)
- JOJonny
(laughs) If you lie under it like that, then, and then just do...
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
(laughs) I would say don't use a pre-workout. These things are false economies.
- JOJonny
But I don't agree with that.
- CWChris Williamson
Apart from the times when you injure yourself, which isn't usually due to the workout, it's due to something else that's going on, you almost never regret going to the gym. Another Lifehacks episode, Tools, Techniques and Tactics for a Productive and Efficient Life. We're going to go through a big list of things that we've used over the last couple of months, and everything will be linked in the show notes below. Because it's January, we thought that we would do some special gym training, little exercises that we've picked up, variations on workouts, maybe some kitchen hacks, but also probably some things from the internet and maybe some Netflix shows and such like that we've been enjoying. So, Johnny,
- 1:06 – 7:51
Upgraded Bench Press
- CWChris Williamson
what have you, what have you got for us?
- JOJonny
(laughs) So my, this is my exercise variant. Cool. Um, so this is, I guess if you are in a gym that doesn't necessarily have a chest press or something like that, um, or if you suffer from back pain consistently or an aggravated lower back and find that, for example, when you're doing bench or doing dumbbell variants, that like it irritates your back when they sort, you sort of cramp up. And it's a pretty simple variation, but it's one that probably people outside of the like strength training world might not have tried, which is just a, it's a bench press, normal bench press with your feet up, not necessarily on the bench, but not like s- straight out, um, so your feet aren't on the floor basically, you aren't applying any force onto the floor. And it basically turns it into chest isolation and completely removes your lower back, completely removes your, your lower body. Um, so just a good variation. Limits the, limits the load and very quick to warm up for.
- CWChris Williamson
So how does it replace a pec machine? Is it, it's just a bench press, right?
- JOJonny
It is, but it, so like, I guess it depends on how you would normally bench. But a lot of people, even if they're not a powerlifter, you'll see them kind of as the bench gets harder, they'll sort of like squirm and move around and like press their feet on the ground to try and like use their, the rest of their body to help the weight up. When your feet aren't on the ground, you can't, (laughs) you can't do that. So it's-
- CWChris Williamson
I'm guessing as well, the, the angle is you're a little bit more flat as opposed to decline 'cause you can't get that arch in. Right. Okay.
- JOJonny
Exactly. Yeah. So you basically have to lie flat, which means that you can't get the, like the lower back cramping that sometimes happens. Um, it's also quite a good, um, like if you, if you don't really, if you're like scared of bench press and you want to just use light weight, but you want to still get something out of it, it's a good way of doing that as well.
- CWChris Williamson
What's the reason biomechanically that this is harder? Is it 'cause you can't use your lat- your lats as much, you can't recruit?
- JOJonny
Like technically legs and lower body, there's no like, there's less stability because you're not, like you're relying on balance at the same time.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, okay.
- JOJonny
There's no force through the floor and yeah, you aren't in a, in a, in as much of an arch if you wanted to compare it to a powerlifting bench press. Have either of you ever tried it?
- YUYusef
Yeah, it's nice.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
So I, the only time I would have done that would have been if I was doing bench press from the floor, like floor press.
- JOJonny
Like a floor press.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, that's the only time that I would have done that.
- JOJonny
Do you get, do you, have you, I imagine you have used it where like you're benching and your back like cramps up, seizes up?
- YUYusef
Yeah. It doesn't take much for my back to... (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, I can imagine.
- JOJonny
I would have thought you'd have had that, Chris. You've not experienced that before.
- CWChris Williamson
No, so my, my back doesn't really seem to be too extension, uh, perturbed, but it gets-
- JOJonny
Flexion.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, yeah, a little bit worse when I go, when I go forward. Yeah, that's nice. I like it. Um, I need to try that. I might try that, try and add that in this week. Seth, what have you got? What's yours?
- YUYusef
So mine is probably one that we're all a fan of. Unfortunately, this is a sexist exercise variation.
- JOJonny
Can I guess what it is?
- YUYusef
Yes.
- JOJonny
Is it barbell chest supported row?
- YUYusef
My favorite exercise in the world.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- 7:51 – 17:05
Skull Crushers, Myo Reps & Simplified Split Squats
- CWChris Williamson
- JOJonny
You curl up.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, I got ... I, I had a few here because I thought that we were going ... I thought that we would have a couple each. So, the first one, which is my favorite, and I think I've ... during training with you guys, we've both done this, uh, skull crushers, but floor lying skull crushers. So most of the time if you're doing a skull crusher, which is a tricep movement, you would do on a bench. Um, getting yourself to the point where you have the EZ Curl or the barbell up here is actually a little bit awkward 'cause, okay, do I get it past to my hips, then I've got to kind of hip it to my chest, then I've got to push it up and then get it down. Dumping the bar is also really difficult. It's easier for you to go past the range that you're supposed to. You can't do dead stops from it. All of this is fixed by doing skull crushers from the floor because you lie down in front of the EZ Curl bar. It's already on the floor behind you. You can just put your hands behind you, take it up. If you fail a rep, the ... You're not going to drop it on your head. You're going to just push it up a little bit away from you. Drops on the floor. Uh, plus you can do some cool stuff, like it's easier for the person that's with you to do, uh, strip sets or drop sets 'cause they can just pull the weights off more easily, and you can do dead stop sets as well because you can just lower it to the floor, wait until it's taken all the momentum off and then go again. It's like that, for the long head of the tricep is number, numero uno workout exercise.
- JOJonny
That's for elbow pain as well.
- CWChris Williamson
What?
- JOJonny
Like, I think elbow pain with normal, normal skull crushers can be quite bad for people if they, if they're consistently, like, passing their head.
- CWChris Williamson
Too much extension.
- JOJonny
Yeah, or just too much going through the elbow.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm.
- JOJonny
So yeah, the, the commonality here is lots of lying down.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JOJonny
And (laughs) lots of removing the lower body apart from a very specific part of the upper body and ... But the good thing is, lots of repeatability-
- CWChris Williamson
All right.
- JOJonny
... in each one of the exercises.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh-
- YUYusef
So ... Oh, sorry, Johnny, it's yours.
- JOJonny
I just have ... I've got a couple more exercise variations that-
- CWChris Williamson
Me too.
- JOJonny
... I don't know.
- CWChris Williamson
Me too. Johnny, have you, have you got any more?
- YUYusef
Uh, well, I, I've got some more fitness stuff, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
All right, hit us.
- JOJonny
Myo reps, you both know what those are?
- YUYusef
Vintage.
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- JOJonny
(laughs) So it's something that, like, again, like, Yusuf and I'll, will just use all the time, but I think a lot of people won't have tried. So if you're short on time, um, or you wanna, like, add some assistance at the end of your training session, but you're, like, you're not that ... I, I ... Like, I don't really like doing curls, for example, or like arm, arm ... direct arm work or anything like that. Myo reps is basically, um, uh, I think it's by a guy called Börge Fagerli. Um, I think that's his name, or something like that. So you do an initial set, which is called an activation set. This is usually, like, 10 to 15 reps near failure, and then you take 10 breaths, and then do between three to five reps, 10 breaths.
- CWChris Williamson
I have done this.
- JOJonny
Thought you might have done. 10 breaths, three to five reps, and you keep doing that until you hit, like, a close-to-failure set, basically, on an
- CWChris Williamson
You strip the weight?
- JOJonny
... repeat bug. You ... There are, like, variations where you can do that. But normally, if you do it properly, and this is what's so good about it, you, you get, like, five minutes in, and you've done so many reps, and you're knackered. And you're like, "Okay, that's all of that movement done," and then it removes all of the resistance of like, "Oh, I've got five sets of eight," or, "I've got three sets of 12," 'cause it's just done before you really know what's happened. And you can make it into a bit of a game, so, like, week by week you try and do slightly more weight or you try and do an extra set at the end or something like that, or do it in, in less time-
- 17:05 – 25:04
Best Exercises for Glute Development
- JOJonny
- YUYusef
Yeah. Um, okay. So this is from a guy on, uh, Instagram that I follow who has some really cool, uh, infographics that explain breakdowns, Dr. Eddie Joe, PhD, uh, on Instagram, and he just breaks down what the sign says about strength training. And he looked at the exercises which recruit the most muscles, uh, most muscle fibers for glute development. So what are the exercises? And out of 100, which was the maximum of recruitment, the top three movements are all types of step-ups. So the number one, which I think was in the 90s, was step-ups. Number two was, like, contralateral crossbody step-ups, and number three was some other sli- type of step-up. So basically, overall... And the next closest thing was maybe RDLs or deadlifts. Way, way, way down were, um, hip thrusts, fucking kickbacks, uh, rear foot elevated split squats. Even lunges were quite... In fact, lunges might have been the next closest thing after, uh, after the step-ups. But basically, if you wanna have big glutes and if you want to develop your glutes and if you want to improve your lower back-
- JOJonny
... just do step-ups. And the best way that I've found to do this is dumbbells held up (laughs) by, no, not that
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- JOJonny
Not that thing that athletes do where they go up, up. Um-
- YUYusef
Oh, the funky plates?
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- YUYusef
We love that.
- JOJonny
Um, if you have your dumbbells by your sides, it means that you, your center of gravity is lower, so you're actually more stable. It's easier for you to balance. You are only on one foot here as you go up and go down. Um, I wouldn't go above about, well, depending on how tall you are, but I wouldn't get your thigh of the stepping-up leg to ever be really above parallel to the ground. You don't need to get a super, super amount of range here. You can just go from there and then push to it being straight. I would also do all of one side at once, and then I wouldn't do it alternating because just resetting each time, foot goes down, foot comes up, it's too complex. Just keep one foot on. And I think that this is a hack I learned from you guys, which is when you step down to the floor during step-ups, only put your heel on the ground because it means that you can't push off with your toes. You'll find yourself as you start to fail the reps, wanting to give yourself a lift off at the bottom. And I guess if you're going super, super heavy, it, it might give you a little bit of assistance and help you to add some more load. It's probably a pretty good movement to overload on because if you need to fail, it's quite easy. It's probably pretty safe on your lower back because you're in this perfect straight position. And also you've just got dumbbells on your hands, so it doesn't really matter. Um, but yeah, if you want to make it, if you want to go for the super-duper hard version, uh, only touch the heel on the ground so you can't kick off with your foot, and four by 12 on each leg.
- YUYusef
Brutal.
- JOJonny
Uh, oh, just totally disgusting. It's a cardio workout disguised as a strength workout.
- YUYusef
If you-
- JOJonny
Just make sure you go wa-bap, isn't it?
(laughs)
Wa-bap. (laughs)
Well...
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- JOJonny
If you curl up your big toe on the first rep, so the foot that's on the ground-
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- JOJonny
... you got the, the left foot on the box, ri- uh, right foot on the ground. Curl up your toes with your right foot, and then load the leg that's on the box first.
- YUYusef
Yep.
- JOJonny
And then step off. So much harder.
- YUYusef
Just keep that-
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... posture. Yeah.
- JOJonny
It is ba- 'cause y- obviously, this is the problem with movements like this, isn't it? Like, if you're aiming for a number of reps, you end up just doing anything to hit that number of reps, which feeds-
- YUYusef
This is why we need quality of movement rather than worrying about trying to load them heavily.
- JOJonny
Well, that, it feeds into my, my, my next hack/dash tip.
- YUYusef
Ooh, beautiful.
- JOJonny
Um, which is to have, uh, a split in your sessions where you have, um, well, if you care about how much weight you lift at all, have one or two movements in the session where you do just care about how much weight you lift, 'cause, for example, if you're trying to increase your bench press or your squat or your deadlift or something like that, I don't think you should necessarily be focusing on the quality of the contraction in your glutes and your hamstrings. You do just want to be lifting more weight or hitting your rep target. But all of your assistant stuff, I think in general, you, you get far more mileage out of yourself, your joints, your muscles, your connective tissue, and the exercise. If you say, "Well, okay, this rowing movement, like, I don't care how m- how many plates are on the machine. I'm going to go for, like, the, the best quality movement. I'm going to control the reps. I'm going to go for maximal contraction. I'm going to pause at the top, and I'm going to use half the weight that I maybe would have done." And it's a massive ego hit, especially if you train with people. You're using like two-thirds of the weight that they are. But if by the time you hit the weight that they are using now, can almost guarantee you'll be in a much better condition than them. So, just reduces your injury, rate of injury, um, and also how much longer you can use the exercise for as well.
- 25:04 – 31:56
Deep Lunges, Eccentric Speed & Landmines
- YUYusef
in a gym that doesn't have a pull-down machine, that only has cables, for example.
- JOJonny
Five minutes. Five minutes from your house.
- YUYusef
For, for example, if the gym is only within, you know, a couple of minutes of your house, and you-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
... then you can get really ni- and, in fact, I might start doing this instead of pull-downs in the future, which is just a, a deep lunge with the cable overhead and just doing single-arm pull-downs. So, the way that I would do it, for the people who are lucky enough to see this on YouTube, is you'll have an orange-
- CWChris Williamson
Are you wearing orange jogging bottoms?
- YUYusef
Yeah. You like them?
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- YUYusef
So (laughs) , so a, a deep lunge.
- CWChris Williamson
Yep.
- YUYusef
Arm overhead, so right foot forward, left foot, left hand
- CWChris Williamson
Is back knee on the ground, though?
- YUYusef
Uh, you can, but I just, I'm flexible enough to just do it in a deep lunge with my foot on the floor.
- JOJonny
So your back foot is elevated?
- CWChris Williamson
Lovely.
- JOJonny
Back foot is off the ground. Sorry, your back knee.
- YUYusef
My back knee is, yeah, just 'cause it feels nice and stable.
- CWChris Williamson
That's a good exercise. So, I have a buddy, uh, Alfie, who's adamant that a, kind of a similar movement, but sat on the floor, uh, with both cables attached at the top, two handles, and then allowing yourself to basically do a vertical, kind of like a pull-down, like, like a close-grip pull-down. But because it's on the cables and because you're not locked into a seat, it allows you to play around with that angle and that stretch that you get at the very, very top.
- YUYusef
That's a John Meadows exercise.
- CWChris Williamson
Is it?
- YUYusef
They're called, called Stretches. Yeah, lovely as well.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
You can also do that with, if there's like, a, a seat bit (laughs) , you can put your foot on there.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, I know what you mean.
- YUYusef
So, so that then you can hinge-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... while keeping it reliable.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, this is something that I think, it was such a good, um, cue that was given by a CrossFit coach, and his argument was your concentric should be quicker than the eccentric on everything that you do. That if you're doing bicep curls and you're lowering the weight down, you can lower it as slowly or as quickly as your program demands.
- YUYusef
For nine seconds.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Yeah, for nine seconds like that other one. But, um, you need to contract it quicker than that. And I think that just generally, when I've seen people training, I fig- they're forgetting about tempo. Not everything needs to be a tempo movement, not everything needs to be like a four-second eccentric. But if you were to take a little bit more care about how you're lowering the weight down, and then you use power on the way up. I've also seen, this may be bro science, but that if power is load, whatever, load, distance, and speed pulled together, that moving a heavy weight more quickly recruits more power. So, that should mean that you get more muscular.
- 31:56 – 50:42
How to Get Motivated, Barbell Hacks & Stimulants
- CWChris Williamson
- JOJonny
Nice.
- YUYusef
This is one that I got from Elliot Hulse, of all people, which is, if you are having one of those days where you're just like, "Oh, I just cannot be bothered to do the session that I've got," and it's particularly if you've been following 5-3-1 for the last seven years, as you should be, and you're long Bitcoin, then there is a point where the numbers get to the point where, like... And we've all experienced this, like, Thursday night before your squat day for heavy threes, and you're like, "Oh," like, "I don't know if I can even face getting out of bed in the morning because I've got this, this thing coming up." If your training consistently starts to feel like that, just go in and say, "Right, I'm not allowed to lift more than 60 kilograms for three sets of 10 for everything," and, like, you have to just turn up, go through the motions. You're not allowed to give it any intensity, not allowed to... Like, it's literally you just turn up and just go through the motions. Like, you can even have that face, just... And he's, and he's right, that by the end of that session, you'll be so, like, fired up to actually do it properly again that solves the problem. Whereas if you try and push it, when something in you is just like, "Oh, I'm exhausted," you're only going to burn out faster.
- CWChris Williamson
So, what's the, the principle here? That if you're struggling with motivation, reduce the load, move through the session, and use the, whatever, like, latent desire to train properly to... Like, the boredom kicks you into the, the next session correctly?
- YUYusef
A- absolutely, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you ever do that, Johnny? Do you ever... Well, you know, 'cause you are pres- you are basically controlled by a man on the other side of the internet with your training, aren't you?
- JOJonny
It's worse than that, actually. I'm controlled by a very intricate spreadsheet that I don't understand.
- CWChris Williamson
That is run by a man.
- JOJonny
So, I tell the spreadsheet every day how I feel. Seriously.
- CWChris Williamson
And then the spreadsheet tells you-
- JOJonny
And then the spreadsheet says, "Well, this is what you should do." So, it's kind of a- adjusted and adapted for me.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you-
- JOJonny
I, I have a, I have a, uh, one actually. My ne- It's weird. My next one is very linked to that.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- JOJonny
But I'll let you go.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, this is the most overused hack of all time, so if people haven't already seen this, I'll be very surprised, but we haven't used it before. James Smith and Sonny Webster got into a fight on Twitter about who was able... Uh, sorry, on Instagram, about who was able to use this first. But just, if you have a barbell which is on the floor and has a lot of plates on it, stick a small plate under the closest-to-the-collar plate that's on the floor, roll it up and over it, and it means that you can de-load the bar so much more easily. You'll save your lower back. And you've always been in that position, especially if you've b- if you're in a gym which isn't built for powerlifting, where the pl- the rubber Gym Eighty plates, or something. They're like a gold plate, and it's with rubber that makes you stick. It's like Teflonized rubber or some shit. And it just doesn't come off. And, you know, this is impossible to get off. Roll the barbell up, kick it onto a plate, pull everything off the end. There you go, you've only got one plate left. Do the same on the other side. You've de-loaded a bar far easier. Now, you could go to a gym that has a bar jack or, like, a bar rack, like a Laico thing, to properly kick it up, but I actually think that this is probably quicker.
- JOJonny
As a... For a tip for people who've, like, never been to the gym before, this is the first year they're going to the gym, I've seen it happen so many times where people don't appreciate the... Like, if you strip all the one side of the barbell, if it's, like, on a rack or, like, an EZ Bar, for example, on a preacher curl, you'll see people strip one side of it, and then it goes woof, like that. And the, the end of the-
- CWChris Williamson
Straight into the face.
- JOJonny
Into, into someone else lying on the bench next to them, or, or whatever.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JOJonny
So, like, unload barbell. When they aren't on the ground, unload them evenly. I- e- one side after the other.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
Learn basic physics.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JOJonny
Very basic.
- CWChris Williamson
Moment arm.
- JOJonny
It's... Do you know why I think that s- slightly, it's slightly forgivable, is the barbell, especially a 20 kilo, like, a six-foot barbell, you look at it and think, "That can probably, that can b- That'll probably be all right." Like, it doesn't look immediately like that's in, uh, that person's in imminent danger. But-
- CWChris Williamson
My ability to judge how much weight, like, how much weight the fulcrum or whatever needs in order to flip it over, I have no idea. Absolutely no idea. I always err on the side of caution 'cause I've seen this happen one too many times. And you're, that's the equivalent of being a server in a restaurant and dropping the glass. Uh, everyone, "Oh, hey!"
- YUYusef
Yeah, like, what's the cost benefit-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- 50:42 – 54:19
Is Calf Training a Scam?
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, what have I got here? Um, this is just one that I've had. So Tyneside where I train at in Newcastle has just got a, um, seated calf raise machine. So the ones that work as you're sat down, you load the plates on the front, the pad sits on the top of your knees. (coughs) And we've just found that adding that in, in between what e- there is nothing that you're doing that can't have calves added in in between, but no one can ever be bothered to dedicate ending some... All right, maybe if you're doing squats or rear foot elevated lunges or something like that.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
But y- y- no one is looking at the calf machine.
- JOJonny
Or, or calf raises.
- CWChris Williamson
In between calf ra-
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, when you're training calves the other thing that you should really look at is adding calves in in between sets.
- JOJonny
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
But if you're doing like a bench press or if you're doing anything upper body, just get four or five rounds of an easy calf machine or set the, uh, leg press up and do calf raises on the leg press in between.
- YUYusef
So someone sent me... I must have tweeted something about calf training or having small calves, and someone tweeted me a bunch of studies that are like, "We compared a group of people over 16 weeks training calves heavy twice a week versus heavy three times a week, or, um, light and heavy, or, um, progressively doing this and, and all of them showed zero muscle growth." (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
No way.
- YUYusef
They can't come up. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
No fucking way.
- YUYusef
Across the entire study like any... And it's just basically like, ah, so calf training is just a scam then, is it? Like-
- CWChris Williamson
Why is that the case, do you think?
- JOJonny
I, it becar- yeah, that can't be true.
- YUYusef
It just so hav- so one theory is that they're so heavily genetically determined and that they v- you basically are training them all the time because you're getting so much loading from walking them- walking around with them that they're that kind of muscle that have already hit their limit, um, unless you were to go absolutely ham on them. Like it might just be that to get big calves you need to, you need to do a Chris and like between any set of anything-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... go and sit on the seated calf raise.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Well, it's interesting because obviously the achilles rehab that I did, I went from having a calf that was basically... that didn't exist, total muscle wastage, to now I overshot it and the calf of the leg that I recovered is now bigger than the calf of the leg that I didn't.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Which is why I'm thinking about calves a little bit for the first time ever. Um-
- JOJonny
The...
- CWChris Williamson
What do you say? What, what, what, what?
- JOJonny
Just that one of the coaches from 3DMJ, Jeff Alberts, has got a, like a side-by-side comparison of like... I mean, and this is probably 10 years of calf training, but he has legitimately turned very average calves into like a strong body part for him.
- YUYusef
So there's an interesting point because Jeff Alberts is all about mind-muscle connection, isn't he? He's Mr. Longevity Bodybuilder. Like he's in his (laughs) like his fifties.
- JOJonny
In his 50s and still going, yeah.
- YUYusef
Yeah. He's all about like getting the most out of a set of ten as you possibly can.
- JOJonny
So, how long was the study for?
- YUYusef
16 weeks. So, or like eight weeks.
- 54:19 – 1:03:59
Netflix Recommendations
- CWChris Williamson
we've watched or seen recently? Any cool stuff?
- JOJonny
I got one.
- CWChris Williamson
Let us...
- JOJonny
Well, I'm watching it at the moment called Dopesick on Disney+. Are you worried that we've already had that, Chris?
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- JOJonny
No. So it is, um, it's recommended by Dan, Mr. Digital Audio Broadcast. Um, it's about, uh, OxyContin, the sort of the creation and distribution.
- CWChris Williamson
Not the... Is it the Wessler family?
- JOJonny
... uh ...
- CWChris Williamson
It's the something family, isn't it?
- JOJonny
Something family, but yeah, I can't remember the name of it. But yeah, pharmaceutical business produces this, this OxyContin drug, which is, an, an opioid that they claim has, like, slow release and all that sort of stuff, and isn't addictive. Um, and it's about, like, the, um, the consequences of that. And it is bit of a, bit of a slow start, but...
- YUYusef
Is it a documentary or-
- JOJonny
No, no, it's a, it's a series. It's a drama series. Um-
- CWChris Williamson
Based on, I'm gonna guess-
- JOJonny
Well, it must be true, right? 'Cause OxyContin-
- CWChris Williamson
Theory or actually based on reality, yeah.
- JOJonny
... is real?
- YUYusef
I've had oxycodone. It's a powerful drug.
- JOJonny
There's oxycodeine-
- CWChris Williamson
What's the difference between oxycodone and OxyContin?
- YUYusef
It, I think it's the trade name, 'cause I've never heard OxyContin being used in the UK. It might be-
- JOJonny
OxyContin, I think-
- YUYusef
... maybe the re- the slow release or-
- JOJonny
I think, yeah.
- YUYusef
... formulation or something.
- JOJonny
I think that's it.
- CWChris Williamson
What was the one... 'cause they had to change it so that people couldn't snort it anymore. Is that the difference between oxycodone and OxyContin?
- JOJonny
So in this OxyContin, they, like, the thing that supposedly slow release is the coating of the tablet. But people put the tablet in their mouth for a bit, take it out, crush it, and snort it.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JOJonny
So (laughs) so... But, like, the pharmaceutical expert thing is just, like, a sugary coating around the edge of the pill. But yeah, so I, I g- I mean, this was a thing, it, like, keeps shooting back between, like, 1995 and present day where there's, like, a lawsuit being, being billed against them. And I haven't finished it yet, but so good.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, I've heard that before. It was being a... Dopesick was being advertised on the central roundabout in town.
- 1:03:59 – 1:05:41
Who Should Be the Next Bond?
- CWChris Williamson
I think, on balance, Tom Hardy makes for... You remember when, you remember when it went from being Pierce Brosnan and everyone couldn't believe that you were gonna have this, like, hard guy, it was gritty, Daniel Craig was running off the side of buildings, he was coming out of the water, he was, like, jacked? And now think, 'cause that was... I think he first became Bond in 2006 or something.
- JOJonny
Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, so think about the fact that from then until now, looking at Daniel Craig and comparing him with the potential of Tom Hardy and thinking, hang on, Daniel Craig was, like, the hard, aggressive dude.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And then you see just how much more extreme, uh, movies have got. Like, the standard's really been raised. But I think to go, to lean into it would be a better way. But I also think that it would be quite cool to ha-... I think having a Black Bond would be pretty cool. That would be like-
- JOJonny
Yeah, Idris would smash it as well. Would be a certain -
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. He's a sick guy.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
He's got an awesome voice.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Um...
- YUYusef
I do know who Tom Hardy is 'cause he, he played-
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... Bro... Uh, Charles Bronson.
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- JOJonny
Yeah, he did.
- YUYusef
Which-
- CWChris Williamson
He did, yeah.
- YUYusef
Which in itself, like, if you're having Bronson and it's now Bond, that's...
- CWChris Williamson
He's got a real, uh, repertoire. He plays the Jewish gangster in Peaky Blinders.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
He's got the Welsh accent. He's done all sorts.
- JOJonny
He's the Kray twins.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. He's both of them.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Uh ...
- JOJonny
He's Wayne Bane in the, in The Batmans. The Batman.
- CWChris Williamson
Serious guy. Serious, serious guy. Uh, gentlemen, thank you. We made it. Where should people go
- 1:05:41 – 1:06:17
Where to Find Jonny & Yusef
- CWChris Williamson
if they want to check out what it is that you guys do?
- JOJonny
I think if you just wanna run any online business, propainfitness.com/modernwisdom. We show you how to do it for free. If you want macros and calories, propainfitness.com/calculator. (instrumental music)
- CWChris Williamson
We made it.
- JOJonny
That's it.
- CWChris Williamson
Peace. What's happening, people? Thank you very much for tuning in. If you enjoyed that episode, then press here for a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last few weeks. And don't forget to subscribe. Peace.
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