Note Apps, Book Summaries & iPhone Tips - Life Hacks 205 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 341

1. 0:00 – 5:13

   iPhone Shortcuts that actually save friction (auto Low Power Mode + quick actions)

   1. YSYusef Smith0:00

      I suppose I've got to start with-

   2. JWJonny Watson0:02

      (laughs)

   3. YSYusef Smith0:02

      ... the biggest announcement of the year. I'm leaving Evernote. It's official.

   4. CWChris Williamson0:06

      Oh, okay.

   5. JWJonny Watson0:07

      Having a written down warm up that you do each time makes such a difference in training. It's like year seven PE level advice. This is like-

   6. CWChris Williamson0:16

      Arm circles. Do you do arm circles?

   7. JWJonny Watson0:17

      Yes. I, so I actually do arm circles.

   8. CWChris Williamson0:20

      Hang on, hang on. Can I, can we back up for-

   9. JWJonny Watson0:22

      You start small and then go bigger.

   10. CWChris Williamson0:22

       Can we back up for a second? Are you, as an international level power lifter, telling us that a game changing life hack for you is doing a warm up? Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to the show. It is another life hacks episode. Tools, techniques, and tactics for a productive and efficient life. I tried to get some of the world's most productive people on to join me today, but none of them were available. Then I asked Dominic Cummings, he wasn't available. So I've settled for Johnny and Yusef from propanefitness.com. Welcome to the show gentlemen.

   11. JWJonny Watson0:55

       Hello.

   12. YSYusef Smith0:56

       Thanks for having us.

   13. CWChris Williamson0:57

       It's a pleasure. What have you been doing recently other than the first time that we've been out for food in a venue post pandemic so far? Happened last night.

   14. JWJonny Watson1:08

       Not much. Well, it feels like I'm doing a lot, but that's just like occasionally leaving the house and going to places ...

   15. CWChris Williamson1:14

       (laughs)

   16. JWJonny Watson1:14

       ... which feels like, gosh, like I can't handle this.

   17. CWChris Williamson1:17

       Novelty.

   18. JWJonny Watson1:17

       My, my calendar is really strained.

   19. CWChris Williamson1:20

       Novelty.

   20. JWJonny Watson1:20

       But yeah, it's, I'm, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying like the slow ... I'm pleased that there's like a, there's a road map of, of gradual release 'cause I think if it had just been in your house for a year and then everything's available.

   21. CWChris Williamson1:32

       Like features of Apple products, like you don't want the virtual reality headset right now. You want it-

   22. JWJonny Watson1:36

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson1:37

       ... to be drip fed to us over the-

   24. JWJonny Watson1:38

       That's a, that's a great way of looking at it. I don't think anyone will be ready for like augmented reality, so you need to phase it in, don't you?

   25. CWChris Williamson1:44

       Fine, fine, yeah. Just push it back. Keep on pushing it back by four weeks. Anyway, uh, on this episode if you're not familiar with life hacks, we go through whatever we've come up with to make life a little bit more efficient and effective over the last few months since our last episode. All the links to everything that we talk about, if there's any discount codes or whatever will be in the show notes below. And, as is tradition up first is a hot potato for Jonathan Watson. There you go Johnny.

   26. JWJonny Watson2:06

       (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson2:07

       What have you, what have you got for us?

   28. JWJonny Watson2:09

       Got it. Got it. Uh, I have a, an automation, a phone, an iPhone automation. Uh, as we were just talking about, I just have, uh, an old, cheap, chatty iPhone XR so I'm sure the new ones can just do this automatically. But one of the automations I have set up is to automatically turn on low power mode at a low battery percentage, which just gives me peace of mind a little bit, a little bit extra.

   29. YSYusef Smith2:37

       Gives a nice landing strip, doesn't it?

   30. CWChris Williamson2:39

       Hang on. Is that not in-built already at 20%? Is there not an option that pops up and says, "Battery is low. Do you want to turn on low power mode?"
2. 5:13 – 7:43

   Leaving Evernote: why Apple Notes won (speed, stability, Quick Note, tags)

   1. YSYusef Smith5:13

      ... I, I suppose I've got to start with the biggest announcement of the year, is that I'm leaving Evernote.

   2. CWChris Williamson5:22

      Oh.

   3. YSYusef Smith5:22

      It's official.

   4. CWChris Williamson5:23

      Okay. To go to?

   5. YSYusef Smith5:26

      And so Apple Notes, after all that, it was right under our noses. Now-

   6. JWJonny Watson5:32

      Chris's sort of slowly emerging smug face as Yusef's talking. (laughs)

   7. CWChris Williamson5:38

      (laughs)

   8. YSYusef Smith5:38

      Yeah, so funnily enough Apple Notes over time has just become more and more robust, stable, fast, and Evernote has managed to ... I've never seen a software company manage to actively kamikaze themselves, like-

   9. CWChris Williamson5:52

      (laughs)

   10. YSYusef Smith5:54

       It, it, they were doing so well and then-

   11. CWChris Williamson5:57

       First mover advantage, huge customer base, really bought in, uh, community.

   12. YSYusef Smith6:03

       ... and then they just pulled the pin. They were like, "Oh, you know what would be great? If we just-"

   13. JWJonny Watson6:08

       Knock it.

   14. YSYusef Smith6:08

       "... nuke our building, just knock every..." Yeah.

   15. JWJonny Watson6:11

       (laughs)

   16. YSYusef Smith6:11

       (laughs) "Just send all of our customers a poo in the post."

   17. CWChris Williamson6:14

       Yeah. Okay, so-

   18. YSYusef Smith6:16

       That's, that's the equivalent of what they've done.

   19. CWChris Williamson6:17

       ... um, what are the three things that have meant, made you leave Evernote and what are the three things that have made you, uh, go to Apple Notes?

   20. YSYusef Smith6:23

       Speed. So Evernote used to be fast, external brain, being able to quickly access anything in the command bar. And they got rid of the command bar, and they made it slower. Now, those two things alone, for something that's supposed to function as an external brain, means it's no longer fit for purpose. You, you, your, your brain cannot have a lag.

   21. JWJonny Watson6:45

       Mm-hmm.

   22. YSYusef Smith6:45

       Even if it's only a five or a 10-second lag. The mobile app can be up to 30 seconds and that's, it's not acceptable for something. So even though there's a few features that you might lose, I think for the sake of Apple Notes, with the Alfred shortcuts so that it's basically, you can access a note from anywhere, definitely worth it. And there's a few exciting things coming to Apple Notes as well, which is tags and Quick Note. So you can just have like in the corner of a screen a kind of workingmemory.txt that Cal Newport calls it, to just bung things in. So if you're in a webpage or whatever, you can keyboard shortcut, just send it straight to that Quick Note and deal with it later. Something that you can do now on iPhone is change one of the settings so that, you know when you swipe in from the top, the control center, there's a note button, and you can ask it to always open up the same one. And that can be your like-

   23. CWChris Williamson7:38

       Ooh, brain dump, active-

   24. YSYusef Smith7:39

       Yeah, your scratch pad.

   25. CWChris Williamson7:40

       ... working memory thing. Yeah, that's cool.

   26. JWJonny Watson7:42

       That's cool. Yeah. That is very cool.

3. 7:43 – 11:57

   Choosing the right notes tool: Notion vs Apple Notes vs Markdown apps

   1. CWChris Williamson7:43

      Why, why not Notion?

   2. YSYusef Smith7:46

      Notion's good, but it's not really a writing, it's not really a writing app. It's more of a workspace. Like we use Notion with Propane. It's great for collaboration and tables and internal databases. And it's good for organizing like bits of information, content feed, that kind of thing. Um, but it's cloud-based. It's not, you don't own your notes, and so if you're offline, you can't access stuff.

   3. CWChris Williamson8:11

      Right.

   4. YSYusef Smith8:11

      So yeah, if, if they introduce offline mode, which they keep saying they won't, but if someone comes along and did that. (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson8:20

      Mm-hmm. I have to say, so for the people that aren't really into note-taking, as I really haven't ever been a, I started on Evernote because you told me to, and I used it for a bit, and it was okay. It was more power usery, I guess, than Apple Notes. But I've just checked here, I have 1,824 notes on Apple Notes. Um, every, uh, set of notes for a guest, for an episode is on there. All of the tracking for my adverts and stuff are on there. For the more power-based stuff, it really is far too unsophisticated because it's just a, a really slimmed down Word document. Um, but for the seamless stuff like you're talking about and the brain dumping stuff, it really is great. That being said-

   6. YSYusef Smith8:56

      The synchronization as well between devices.

   7. CWChris Williamson8:58

      It's seamless.

   8. YSYusef Smith8:59

      Like, absolutely-

   9. CWChris Williamson8:59

      Well, I'll, I'll be outside in the garden or I'll go for a walk listening to a guest, noting down some things I might want to talk to them about, and then I can be finishing a note as I walk in the door and see it pop up on the computer as I walk toward it, which is-

   10. YSYusef Smith9:11

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson9:11

       ... it's shit hot, right? When this is the advantage of going single architecture, single operating system, Apple across everything, but you can seamlessly link your AirPods between different devices and switch between the two and all the rest of it. Um, what do you use, Johnny?

   12. JWJonny Watson9:27

       So it's, it's interesting hearing you talk about your, your Apple Notes volume because when Yusef told me this, I looked at my Apple Notes and I have 1,529 notes. And I was saying this to Yusef that like, I try to use-

   13. CWChris Williamson9:43

       (laughs)

   14. JWJonny Watson9:43

       Um, so I try to use No- I try to use Evernote.

   15. CWChris Williamson9:45

       Yeah.

   16. JWJonny Watson9:46

       And I try to use Notion and I try to use Craft, um, all on kind of use, as Yusef's evolved through this journey, kind of people have mentioned things-

   17. CWChris Williamson9:53

       We're just lagging behind him holding onto the coattails- (laughs)

   18. JWJonny Watson9:55

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. CWChris Williamson9:55

       ... of the premium productivity guy.

   20. JWJonny Watson9:57

       But, but when, when I like need to write something down, I just, without even thinking about it, I open my phone-

   21. CWChris Williamson10:03

       Default.

   22. JWJonny Watson10:03

       ... I open Apple Notes and I just make a quick note and then...

   23. YSYusef Smith10:06

       But why is that? 'Cause it's, it's quick. It's just like-

   24. CWChris Williamson10:08

       Yeah. Yeah.

   25. YSYusef Smith10:09

       There's no lag.

   26. JWJonny Watson10:10

       Yeah. So like, I suppose with Evernote, like you open it up and then you make a note and then you've got to make sure later on that like you put the note in the right place and it feels, for some reason, like it's not this just freeform thing that you can put information into. Whereas Apple Notes is just, it's literally just a list of notes.

   27. CWChris Williamson10:26

       Yeah. Which is kind of what you need.

   28. JWJonny Watson10:27

       It, it kind of has, has now folders and stuff now and they've made it, they've made it better, but the original Apple Notes was like ju- literally just a list of blank documents. (laughs)

   29. CWChris Williamson10:35

       If they could, if they could have the main feature from Notion, which is pages within pages, so hyperlinking notes within notes and nesting them and organizing the structure of the, um, folder system in that way, that would, that would be game over as, 'cause that's the only thing that I'm really missing. It's such a, uh, uh, actually that and the toggle function, you know, to toggle down-

   30. JWJonny Watson10:57

       Yeah.
4. 11:57 – 14:39

   Micro social hack: sing Happy Birthday one octave lower to survive the key change

   1. CWChris Williamson11:57

      Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Anyway, my first one, so this is from my, uh, speech coach, Myles, and he identified the fact that when you're singing Happy Birthday for someone, everybody begins one octave higher than they should do.... and then when you get three-quarters of the way-

   2. YSYusef Smith12:12

      (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson12:12

      ... through the song and you need to do the key change, you get nailed by that high note. So-

   4. YSYusef Smith12:18

      (singing)

   5. CWChris Williamson12:19

      Yeah, exactly.

   6. YSYusef Smith12:20

      Yeah.

   7. CWChris Williamson12:20

      So, what you really want to do is give it beans at the start, like... << Happy birthday to you >> Like, and then when it gets to the << Happy bir... >> you can just... You've easy-... You've got to give yourself headroom above-

   8. YSYusef Smith12:35

      That's right.

   9. CWChris Williamson12:35

      ... the happy birthday song, right?

   10. YSYusef Smith12:36

       That's really-

   11. CWChris Williamson12:36

       Start one octave lower than you think that you need to, and you... And then if the kids aren't impressed, grab their face, smash it into the cake, and go, "Are you not entertained?"

   12. YSYusef Smith12:44

       (laughs)

   13. JWJonny Watson12:45

       Fantastic, especially the second part. So, if you're... So, you- you start off sounding like a bit of a willy, but you have the last laugh because you hit that high note when no one else does.

   14. CWChris Williamson12:54

       Key change. Everyo- everyone else sounds like a 13-year-old trying to speak. You go, "Ooh, oh, oh, oh."

   15. JWJonny Watson13:01

       Well, what, what people tend to do is just, just almost kind of mouth that section.

   16. CWChris Williamson13:06

       Yeah.

   17. JWJonny Watson13:06

       Or just mime it. But then, you're left-

   18. CWChris Williamson13:07

       Especially the men.

   19. JWJonny Watson13:08

       Yeah.

   20. CWChris Williamson13:09

       Yeah.

   21. JWJonny Watson13:09

       You're left with kind of the, the few sort of strong people who can hit that note. S-... But the, the worry is if you're still leading the pack and bellowing, you might be the only person singing.

   22. CWChris Williamson13:17

       Doesn't matter.

   23. JWJonny Watson13:18

       Depends on how good you are singing it to start with.

   24. CWChris Williamson13:18

       Doesn't matter. Everyone's going to be like, "Did he start one octave lower?"

   25. JWJonny Watson13:22

       (laughs)

   26. CWChris Williamson13:23

       "Fucking hell, he must listen to Modern Wisdom Life Hacks."

   27. JWJonny Watson13:26

       (laughs)

   28. CWChris Williamson13:26

       Um, yeah. But there's always, there's always a couple of people. I've always noticed this, when you're singing Happy Birthday, there's always a couple of people that are classically trained in theater-

   29. JWJonny Watson13:34

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson13:35

       ... and belting out some operatic cello monster from the far side of the room. And you're like, "I'll just leave it to you."
5. 14:39 – 23:55

   Book summaries debate: Blinkist as ‘time-block media’ vs reading full books

   1. JWJonny Watson14:39

      Yonathan, um-

   2. CWChris Williamson14:40

      Johan Sebastian.

   3. JWJonny Watson14:42

      So, this, this one I think you, you might both be... Well, Yousef won't be surprised about it because I've already told him about it, but I think you might be surprised at it, Chris, which is Blinkist.

   4. CWChris Williamson14:55

      Okay. We've technically, technically already featured this three-

   5. JWJonny Watson15:00

      Probably.

   6. CWChris Williamson15:00

      ... three years ago. But-

   7. YSYusef Smith15:02

      (groans)

   8. CWChris Williamson15:02

      ... I'm more, more than happy for you to-

   9. YSYusef Smith15:04

      You know what this is? The messy middle. Like, you, he's gone from, like, the, the low end...

   10. CWChris Williamson15:09

       (laughs) Just, just read book summaries to must-have fully architected-

   11. YSYusef Smith15:13

       To, to read the full thing.

   12. CWChris Williamson15:14

       Yeah, to, "Just read book summaries." (laughs)

   13. JWJonny Watson15:16

       Well, I've got, I've got a reason. I've got a reason. I've got a reason.

   14. CWChris Williamson15:17

       Okay.

   15. JWJonny Watson15:19

       So, the... And I don't think it works for... So, what Blinkist is, for, for anybody who doesn't know, it is a book summary service where they... and Yousef has a, a better version that he'll, he'll introduce in a second called Shortform, I think. Is that right? Shortform?

   16. CWChris Williamson15:34

       Optimized.me. There you go.

   17. JWJonny Watson15:36

       Um, but they, they summarize it into blinks, which is like, it's like a 15-minute audio of a book. Um, so the... What I, what was happening was I had, like, 15 minutes in the morning where I would, like, want to listen to something. So, I would try and, like, listen to podcasts, but it, it's, like, not enough to get in the most podcasts. And I would try listening to an audiobook, but then you get the, like, "It was a cold, winter's morning in 1985," and you're like, you, you, you end up, like, not really getting anything in 15 minutes.

   18. CWChris Williamson16:03

       (laughs)

   19. JWJonny Watson16:04

       So, I thought I'd try it out. I'd do the trial. And it doesn't work for every book, is the problem. So, like, books that are incredibly deep and complicated that can't really be done justice in 15 minutes, I wouldn't advise it. But if there's a book that you, like, have always fancied reading, perhaps, that's a fair... Most, most, like, self-improvement books are a single concept that are, that are padded out, that you maybe want to just get into.

   20. CWChris Williamson16:25

       What are some good examples of ones that you have Blinkist-ed?

   21. JWJonny Watson16:30

       Essentialism, I re-listened to. So, this was my test. So, as I said, I wanted to see if I could get the, sort of the gist of Essentialism from the, from the blinks. And you, you more or less can. I, I think, anyway. Um-

   22. CWChris Williamson16:43

       Have you read the full book to compare it to?

   23. JWJonny Watson16:46

       Most of the full book (laughs) . Not cover to cover, but most of the full book. So, I... It's a... If you want to kind of pick up concepts from popular books, but you don't want necessarily to commit to read the whole thing, I think it's a pretty good service. When I originally... Go on.

   24. CWChris Williamson17:05

       Why not optimized.me? Because I tried both of these f-... three or four years ago, and I compared, and I came up with this, the synopsis of Bryan Johnson does a better job of this.

   25. JWJonny Watson17:17

       You think so?

   26. CWChris Williamson17:18

       Yeah, I think so, and-

   27. YSYusef Smith17:19

       I feel like Bryan Johnson, a- all of his summaries are the same. It's always like-

   28. JWJonny Watson17:23

       Yeah.

   29. YSYusef Smith17:23

       ... "And this comes back to our fundies. Brush your brain."

   30. CWChris Williamson17:26

       Yeah.
6. 23:55 – 25:39

   Birthday benchmark goals: tie your age to a yearly physical/mental challenge

   1. YSYusef Smith23:55

      Speaking of birthdays, this is just something you can do as a target for each birthday as you get older to set some kind of like, just some- something fun for yourself so that the, my example, which is the most bro way to do this, is bench press my body weight for my age each year.... and so, something that will j- I mean, it doesn't have to be, it could be, like, say, a physical target or whatever that's associated with your age, just to keep you on your toes and be like, "Oh, okay, like, as I get older, I have to have some measure of, of progress." Like, obviously, it would be lovely to be benching, like, 75 kilos for 70 reps in-

   2. CWChris Williamson24:37

      (laughs)

   3. YSYusef Smith24:37

      ... in 40 years, but, um, I don't expect it's gonna be achievable forever. Um, but yeah, just having some kind of target so that you're not just, like, aging and crumbling away.

   4. CWChris Williamson24:48

      What are the things-

   5. JWJonny Watson24:49

      Can you, can you do that?

   6. YSYusef Smith24:51

      ... uh, I've not, I didn't do it this year actually. (laughs)

   7. JWJonny Watson24:54

      (laughs)

   8. CWChris Williamson24:55

      It's a life hack that I don't adhere to, but you should try.

   9. YSYusef Smith24:58

      Well, yeah, 'cause, well, 'cause the gyms were closed, so I sort of-

   10. JWJonny Watson25:01

       Ah, okay.

   11. YSYusef Smith25:01

       ... didn't have a bench press.

   12. CWChris Williamson25:02

       Well, Mike, your housemate weighs similar to you. You could have just bench pressed him.

   13. YSYusef Smith25:06

       Could have just... Yeah, true, actually. Floor press.

   14. JWJonny Watson25:08

       Floor press, yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson25:09

       Yeah.

   16. JWJonny Watson25:09

       Harder as well. Still gets most of me.

   17. YSYusef Smith25:11

       Be like, "Oh, Mike, sorry, it's my birthday. Do you mind just, uh-"

   18. CWChris Williamson25:13

       Lying on me briefly.

   19. YSYusef Smith25:14

       "... crossing your legs?"

   20. CWChris Williamson25:14

       What other ideas do you think you've got other than bench press?

   21. YSYusef Smith25:17

       So, a, a bench press is a bit bro, but you, I mean, a squat, very achievable. Like, for most people well into their 40s, you could squat your body weight for that many reps.

   22. CWChris Williamson25:28

       Mm-hmm.

   23. YSYusef Smith25:29

       Um, you could run for that many minutes. You could meditate for that many minutes. Um, you could write that many pages, or set it as, like, a, a monthly habit.

7. 25:39 – 29:36

   Simple fun gear that multiplies joy: Aerobie Pro disc + ‘party corner’ games

   1. CWChris Williamson25:39

      Mm-hmm. I like that. Uh, I've got one that we have all used and all used together, and I'm surprised that no one's brought it up yet, so I'm glad that I've managed to take it. Uh, the Aerobie Pro disc-

   2. JWJonny Watson25:51

      (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson25:51

      ... which is a type of Frisbee, I suppose. If you're... It's technically a disc, as I was, uh, corrected by my coach a couple of weeks ago. I sent him a video of me and said, "I'm playing Frisbee on a field," and he said, "That's not a fucking Frisbee. It's a disc." Uh, apparently, Americans take Frisbee and disc very seriously. But yeah, the Aerobie Pro, it's the record holder for the world's longest, uh, disc throw, uh, which is insane. This guy launches it out of, I think, a baseball stadium or something similar. Uh, and yeah, it's just having that or other similar sort of, uh, games that you can play with a couple of mates or one mate. Slacklining was another one that I got into a couple of years ago, which is awesome. Uh, Aerobie Pro. I got the same Aerobie, um, boomerang that you can use. Um, Nerf, those sort of whistling Nerf, uh, American football things with the fins behind them. Just having that 'cause it's, uh, I think it's 11 pounds or, uh, 12 pounds, and the amount of sheer joy-

   4. JWJonny Watson27:00

      (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson27:00

      ... that even just us have got-

   6. JWJonny Watson27:02

      (laughs)

   7. CWChris Williamson27:02

      ... let alone the times that we've used it separately, is ridiculous. Everyone should have one.

   8. YSYusef Smith27:07

      It is brilliant.

   9. CWChris Williamson27:07

      Everyone should have one.

   10. YSYusef Smith27:08

       It's, th- there's a low learning curve. Like, slackline, you can't just be like, "Oh, let's just go out for a quick slackline" with beginners. They have to... But Aerobie, like, anyone can throw something, and if they can't, it's great fodder-

   11. CWChris Williamson27:18

       To laugh at them.

   12. YSYusef Smith27:19

       ... to laugh at them with.

   13. CWChris Williamson27:19

       Yeah. Yeah, we looked, the last time that I did it with you, Yusuf, was we were on a, a field near your house and it was Saturday evening, 6:00 PM, peak, uh, Davidoff Cool Water and barbecue on the ground with cans of Red Stripe time and-

   14. JWJonny Watson27:37

       (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson27:37

       ... we just decided to find (laughs) the longest straight line in a two-football-field-long field and started launching this thing, perfectly flat really (laughs) 'cause we've practiced quite a lot, so we're quite nosy when it comes to throwing the disc. And, uh, I'm sure everyone else thought that we looked like pricks. But to me, I felt like a king.

   16. JWJonny Watson27:59

       That was good.

   17. YSYusef Smith27:59

       Yeah.

   18. CWChris Williamson27:59

       I felt like a king.

   19. JWJonny Watson28:01

       It's just you don't want to get it in kind of bridge of the nose do you, if it's kinda coming at... 'cause it's so flat, you can't really see it.

   20. CWChris Williamson28:06

       Yeah.

   21. YSYusef Smith28:06

       Sometimes it disappears for a second.

   22. JWJonny Watson28:08

       Yeah. (laughs)

   23. YSYusef Smith28:09

       Before you know it.

   24. CWChris Williamson28:09

       You, you have the most elegant disc form, Johnny, ever.

   25. JWJonny Watson28:15

       (laughs)

   26. CWChris Williamson28:16

       It just appears... Yeah, it's so smooth, man. Honestly, it's like when you're watching-

   27. YSYusef Smith28:20

       So Johnny is amazing at bowling. (laughs)

   28. CWChris Williamson28:22

       Are you really?

   29. JWJonny Watson28:23

       (laughs)

   30. CWChris Williamson28:23

       He's got no long levers, though.
8. 29:36 – 32:18

   VR and the creep toward realism: table tennis, hand tracking, and social presence

   1. YSYusef Smith29:36

      Have you played table tennis on your Oculus Rift?

   2. CWChris Williamson29:39

      No, I sold it. I told you I sold it.

   3. YSYusef Smith29:41

      You sold it. Apparently... So you, you can play table tennis, and because it's, it's already quite a light game anyway, there's not much, like, resistance. It feels the most real out of all the things you can do in VR.

   4. CWChris Williamson29:51

      So does it port across into reality? Do you improve your real-world table tennis tabling?

   5. YSYusef Smith29:56

      The... I reckon there's, there'll be a few skills that you can port quite well, like probably surgery to some extent as well.

   6. CWChris Williamson30:02

      What I saw-

   7. YSYusef Smith30:02

      Um, d-

   8. CWChris Williamson30:03

      I saw during the buildup to the Logan Paul-Floyd Mayweather fight that Logan Paul was preparing with a virtual reality headset on and a pair of VR gloves. I don't know whether that was for the workouts and stuff.

   9. JWJonny Watson30:15

      Do you know, do you know I have the Quest, the cheap one?

   10. CWChris Williamson30:19

       ... quest bars, quest bars.

   11. JWJonny Watson30:21

       Do you know this? An Oculus Quest? They, like, th- they brought out a really, like, low-priced one.

   12. CWChris Williamson30:25

       Yeah.

   13. JWJonny Watson30:25

       Not the one that's a couple grand. It's like 200 quid, Facebook make it.

   14. CWChris Williamson30:29

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JWJonny Watson30:30

       I own one of those.

   16. CWChris Williamson30:31

       Okay.

   17. JWJonny Watson30:31

       So I've played- I've played table tennis on it.

   18. CWChris Williamson30:34

       We need to test your table tennis.

   19. YSYusef Smith30:35

       Someone said, I- I didn't know you had one, yeah. Some- someone said that, um, the next step is that they take, like, a front and side profile photo of you and they can map it as your face. And because it has eye tracking inside it, you could have a chat with someone and be making eye contact with them fully digitally. Just a bit frightening.

   20. JWJonny Watson30:55

       Well, they- they've just- they've just added this feature to it, which is hand tracking. So not, you know how there's normally the controllers?

   21. CWChris Williamson31:00

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JWJonny Watson31:01

       Now you- you can just use your hands. So you can make-

   23. CWChris Williamson31:04

       So it does have front-facing cameras?

   24. JWJonny Watson31:06

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson31:06

       Right.

   26. JWJonny Watson31:07

       So you can pinch and throw and grab, and it completely tracks. And the weirdest thing about it is, like, w- why it sometimes feels real is you do that, and the hand responds how you would think your hand responds. And so I suppose there's a- there's a moment where your brain thinks, like-

   27. CWChris Williamson31:23

       Well-

   28. JWJonny Watson31:23

       ... "This is just r- reality."

   29. CWChris Williamson31:24

       ... you've all seen that video of the guy doing the climbing up the side of the mountain-

   30. YSYusef Smith31:28

       (laughs)
9. 32:18 – 35:58

   Email your future self: annual birthday letters via FollowUpThen (and 10-year time capsules)

   1. JWJonny Watson32:18

      Jeez. What am I gonna say? No, I've got one. Um, it's also a birthday thing, and it was remind- I was reminded of it because it was my birthday, like, a week ago, and I got an email from myself on my birthday that I wrote a year ago. And the reason that I wrote the email to myself a year ago was because of, um... The hell is it called?

   2. YSYusef Smith32:44

      FollowUpThen.

   3. JWJonny Watson32:45

      No. Six-minute diary.

   4. CWChris Williamson32:51

      << Happy birthday... >>

   5. YSYusef Smith32:53

      (laughs)

   6. CWChris Williamson32:53

      << Happy birthday to you >>

   7. JWJonny Watson32:53

      Six-minute diary.

   8. CWChris Williamson32:54

      Oh, yes, of course.

   9. JWJonny Watson32:55

      It's one of the, like, weekly challenges. So I had it on my to-do list for literally months to, like, write this email to myself, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, I'll do that. All right." Th- like, you know, it's the- the Kabuki movement systems of moving it to the next day. And I eventually did it, and I got this email from myself and it was just, it was bizarre reading it. And I think the-

   10. CWChris Williamson33:11

       What did it say? Can you get, can you give us an excerpt?

   11. JWJonny Watson33:13

       It was like, it was just sort of, the- the way that I wrote it was like, what I was doing at the moment. So I was, I was speaking about... So we'd just gone into lockdown in the UK, or like we'd been in lockdown for a couple of months, and like I was talking about how like, "Oh, I think it's going to be back open again for, you know, August and all that sort of stuff." And then things that were going well, talking about things that were just happening in Propain, like we were just about to hire Alex. Stuff I was doing in training, stuff that was ha- like st- plans we had for the rest of the year. Um, and then like stuff I wanted to achieve that I've done all of, which is really cool. And then like, "See you in a year." And I got this email and it was so wei- you like read it and you think, "This is a scam or something. This is weird." And you're like, "Oh, no shit, I wrote this." And it-

   12. YSYusef Smith33:52

       Yeah.

   13. JWJonny Watson33:52

       So-

   14. YSYusef Smith33:52

       It's-

   15. JWJonny Watson33:52

       ... would really recommend-

   16. YSYusef Smith33:54

       ... it's a nice effect. I- I did that for myself a while ago. It was a website that sends you an email in- in 10 years time. So, uh, so I did it at 18 and received it at 28. And-

   17. JWJonny Watson34:04

       Oh my god.

   18. YSYusef Smith34:05

       ... yeah. I mean, there's people that do it with videos as well, isn't there? Have you seen like, there's a viral video of like a conversation with my 12-year-old self and they've set it up like a back and forth conversation.

   19. CWChris Williamson34:15

       Wow. That's cool. Yeah. I, um, I've said for ages it would be so fascinating to be able to take snapshots of your consciousness and then be able to revisit them. Because the things that consume your mind now and the things that-

   20. YSYusef Smith34:27

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson34:27

       ... consume your mind two years from now are so d- well, they should be different if you're making progress, right? You should be casting off the worries and the concerns and the anxieties that no longer matter, and you should be focusing on the things that do. We all should be moving toward an essentialist life, I guess, in one form, both in terms of our thoughts and our actions. But yeah, even just thinking about, okay, so what am I doing at the moment? What are my predictions-

   22. YSYusef Smith34:48

       Mm-hmm.

   23. CWChris Williamson34:48

       ... for the rest of this year? And then stress testing those or comparing them against what actually happened. That's pretty cool.

   24. JWJonny Watson34:53

       I think, I think I did like, "Wh- what am I doing?" What, what am I, like what's going well? What's not going well? What am I worried about and what am I, what am I like working on?"

   25. CWChris Williamson35:01

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JWJonny Watson35:02

       And the interesting thing was all the worries, like none of them happened, not a single one. All of the things that I was working on, I got done and then like some of the things that I was like clearly consumed with just don't even, aren't even a feature anymore. So it is just this reminder of like at the time that was just my abso- my reality.

   27. CWChris Williamson35:19

       Yes.

   28. JWJonny Watson35:20

       Like consumed 100% of my day.

   29. CWChris Williamson35:21

       Just your world, yeah.

   30. JWJonny Watson35:22

       And, and now like so little of it matters. So the, I use, as you said, just mentioned, I use something called FollowUpThen. So you just send it, it's a service where you send an email to like oneyear@followupthen.com and it just sends it back to you in a year. Or you can set it at a specific date or whatever. Um, but really easy thing to try. Um, highly recommend giving it a go. Send an email to yourself in like one...
10. 35:58 – 38:30

    Dieting ‘volume’ hacks and snack math: stuffing, lint rollers, and doughnut realism

    1. YSYusef Smith35:58

       This is from Alice, who is a, a new member of Team Propain. And I feel like she's gonna beat me up if we don't suggest this one. Tesco Own Brand Stuffing.

    2. CWChris Williamson36:11

       (laughs)

    3. YSYusef Smith36:11

       So the reasoning behind this is that when you're dieting, stuffing is a great kind of filler. It's pretty low calorie, it's very flavorsome, very rich with flavor. So it hits the spot with all of the like, when you have like a savory kind of-... but it's, um, it's very low calorie density. She said if you're out of the Tesco one, then Lidl is also a pretty good substitute.

    4. CWChris Williamson36:38

       You have to be in Lidl to get that though, don't you?

    5. YSYusef Smith36:41

       (laughs)

    6. CWChris Williamson36:41

       Which is a disadvantage.

    7. YSYusef Smith36:41

       You do have to be in... Yeah.

    8. JWJonny Watson36:43

       That's how it works, yeah. That's definitely how it works.

    9. CWChris Williamson36:45

       Yeah.

    10. YSYusef Smith36:45

        So we were, uh, she was like, "Oh, I'm a bit reticent to say this because if I, if I do, then everyone goes out and buys it."

    11. JWJonny Watson36:52

        Then-

    12. CWChris Williamson36:52

        She'll be struggling up against lower demand. I'm pretty convinced that a good portion of the net worth of Lindahl's Kvarg-

    13. JWJonny Watson37:02

        (laughs)

    14. CWChris Williamson37:02

        ... has been directed from this podcast. So Tesco, what are the macros on it?

    15. YSYusef Smith37:09

        Pretty good. Um-

    16. JWJonny Watson37:11

        (laughs) So nee- neither of us have tried it. She only recommended this to us, like, a couple of days ago, but she's a big listener of the Lifehack series especially.

    17. CWChris Williamson37:19

        Got you.

    18. JWJonny Watson37:20

        But, um, I was saying that stuffing is one of those things that I feel like I am never given enough of- (laughs)

    19. CWChris Williamson37:28

        (laughs)

    20. JWJonny Watson37:28

        ... in a meal. You know?

    21. CWChris Williamson37:29

        Well, it's such a rarity to even have it, right?

    22. JWJonny Watson37:31

        Yeah.

    23. CWChris Williamson37:31

        How many times a year do you have stuffing? Maybe, for me, it's easily sub-five.

    24. JWJonny Watson37:36

        Like a handful.

    25. CWChris Williamson37:36

        Yeah.

    26. JWJonny Watson37:36

        Yeah. So and then, and then whenever you do, you never look at a plate and go-

    27. CWChris Williamson37:40

        Bit much stuffing on there.

    28. JWJonny Watson37:41

        (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

    29. CWChris Williamson37:42

        Fucking hell, mate. This is... What is this? Stuffing day?

    30. JWJonny Watson37:45

        It's really nice, isn't it?
11. 38:30 – 40:20

    Cheap YouTube Premium via Argentina billing + VPN (and the ethics/utility)

    1. CWChris Williamson38:30

       Yeah, I'm my own man now. Uh, okay, right, this is a lifehack that I got that was submitted from Craig Davison. Um, he heard me talking about YouTube Premium on the last episode, which everybody should get. Everyone needs YouTube Premium. I am now four, five, six months deep. Mikhaila Peterson told me to get it and I do not regret it f- at all, um, it is fantastic. Now, the lifehack is that if you set your billing location to Argentina, you can get a-

    2. YSYusef Smith39:01

       You said this on the last one, I think.

    3. CWChris Williamson39:02

       ... you can get a YouTube Premium subscription for 94 pence. I didn't say it. Um, I might've told you about it separately. I might've messaged you about it.

    4. JWJonny Watson39:11

       Maybe.

    5. CWChris Williamson39:11

       Um, anyway, so-

    6. YSYusef Smith39:12

       It's a very Chris solution.

    7. CWChris Williamson39:13

       Well, it's not a Chris solution.

    8. YSYusef Smith39:14

       (laughs)

    9. CWChris Williamson39:14

       This is a, this is a, the y- the most you solution that I've ever seen.

    10. JWJonny Watson39:18

        It's from Craig Davison.

    11. YSYusef Smith39:19

        Well, no, mine, mine's to bypass all that and just use Enerd like a-

    12. CWChris Williamson39:22

        Yeah, true.

    13. YSYusef Smith39:23

        ... consensible person.

    14. CWChris Williamson39:23

        Okay, so Craig says, "If you've got a VPN, you need to get a VPN, you can go to surfshark.deals/modernwisdom. Uh, and you need to set it to Argentina. Then when you get to the payment, you add a random Argentinian address, but include your UK postcode somewhere in address line one. Worked for me with Starling Bank. No difference at all and you only need to use the VPN as a one-off." 94 pence a month YouTube Premium. I can't think of a better way to spend 94 pence. There we are.

    15. JWJonny Watson39:53

        Okay.

    16. CWChris Williamson39:54

        Silence as the crowd is stunned.

    17. JWJonny Watson39:57

        (laughs) I just don't wanna stir the pot. I feel like I'm fairly... Like I- I'm fine with it, like I'm, yeah, I think it's great.

    18. CWChris Williamson40:02

        I'm not changing. I'm also not changing.

    19. JWJonny Watson40:04

        It's, yeah. (laughs)

    20. CWChris Williamson40:04

        But if the price, if price was the limiter, if you said, "Ah, £12, £13 a month for YouTube Premium."

    21. YSYusef Smith40:10

        Lynn!

    22. CWChris Williamson40:10

        Yeah, Lynn, it's a, it's a travel tavern.

    23. JWJonny Watson40:12

        (laughs)

    24. CWChris Williamson40:13

        If you said that it's too much, then here is your, here is your thin end of the wedge. Right. Johnny, what you got?

12. 40:20 – 51:56

    Train smarter: a written warm-up checklist that’s fast, consistent, and measurable

    1. JWJonny Watson40:20

       Uh, so I'll, I'll open with a question for both of you, which is when you last trained in the gym, did you do a warmup?

    2. CWChris Williamson40:36

       Very briefly.

    3. YSYusef Smith40:39

       Yes.

    4. JWJonny Watson40:39

       Excuse me?

    5. YSYusef Smith40:40

       But that's a recent thing.

    6. JWJonny Watson40:43

       Interesting.

    7. YSYusef Smith40:43

       As I've started to face my mortality.

    8. JWJonny Watson40:45

       Interesting.

    9. CWChris Williamson40:46

       Menopause.

    10. JWJonny Watson40:47

        So that, so that basically the lifehack, it's not, I suppose it's not really a, there'll be some people who listen and be like, "Obviously, mate." But having like a prop-, like a written down thing that you do each time warmup makes such a difference in training and it's the, it's the first thing I skip. And it's like, it's pr- it's like year seven PE level advice this for like-

    11. CWChris Williamson41:09

        Arm circles. Do you do arm circles?

    12. JWJonny Watson41:10

        Yes. I, so I actually do arm circles, yeah.

    13. CWChris Williamson41:13

        Hang on, hang on. Can I, can we back up for, can we back up for a second?

    14. JWJonny Watson41:16

        Before he starts moaning and getting bigger.

    15. CWChris Williamson41:16

        Hold on.

    16. JWJonny Watson41:16

        Yeah.

    17. CWChris Williamson41:17

        Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you, as an international level powerlifter telling us that a game changing lifehack for you is doing a warmup?

    18. YSYusef Smith41:27

        Yeah. Th- this, this is because the powerlifters' warmup is empty bar for three reps, 60 kilos for three reps, 80 kilos for like, no, well, 100. You just go up in-

    19. CWChris Williamson41:38

        20s you go.

    20. YSYusef Smith41:38

        ... in 20 kilo plates. The, maybe a double and then you work sets.

    21. CWChris Williamson41:42

        Straight in.

    22. JWJonny Watson41:43

        Well, it's, it's either that or spending like 45 minutes doing all kinds of like weird hip activation and then two hours later you hit a first, your work set. So I think the, the only thing that really matters is just elevating body temperature. Like for most people. Like-

    23. CWChris Williamson41:58

        Did you listen to the episode I did with Dr. Sam Spinelli about how to create the perfect warmup?

    24. JWJonny Watson42:05

        So I actually think I did.

    25. CWChris Williamson42:06

        Yeah. Yeah.

    26. JWJonny Watson42:07

        It was quite a while ago.

    27. CWChris Williamson42:08

        Yeah. Awesome.

    28. JWJonny Watson42:10

        Yeah.

    29. CWChris Williamson42:10

        Anyone that needs to-

    30. JWJonny Watson42:11

        Yeah.
13. 51:56 – 1:13:46

    Audio curation to escape your echo chamber: Curio (and ‘The Browser’ parallel)

    1. JWJonny Watson51:56

       Is me. Um, so i- this is another... This is similar to Blinkist, um, but it is Curio. Have you heard of it before?

    2. CWChris Williamson52:08

       Nope.

    3. JWJonny Watson52:08

       No? Yousef has 'cause Yousef was... Yousef saw the Curio product map two years ago when-

    4. CWChris Williamson52:14

       (laughs)

    5. JWJonny Watson52:14

       ... it was about to be released. And he knew-

    6. YSYusef Smith52:16

       Signed up for the beta.

    7. JWJonny Watson52:17

       ... what it would be. Yeah.

    8. CWChris Williamson52:17

       I actually think that you enjoy pre-release product more than the full release.

    9. JWJonny Watson52:23

       (laughs)

    10. CWChris Williamson52:24

        You're such an anticipatory being, aren't you?

    11. YSYusef Smith52:26

        Yeah, it's just like, like, like the, the greyhounds pulling at the-

    12. CWChris Williamson52:30

        Yeah. That's you.

    13. YSYusef Smith52:31

        ... leash, I just want to try the new thing.

    14. JWJonny Watson52:33

        You, you're one of the only people I know who gets actually excited about, like, apps being released and updated.

    15. YSYusef Smith52:38

        It's so sad, though.

    16. CWChris Williamson52:39

        But having, having you as a friend in our friend group-

    17. JWJonny Watson52:41

        It's great.

    18. CWChris Williamson52:42

        ... is perfect because we're never going to miss anything because we were alerted about it eight months before. When it got, when it got leaked on AppleNews.io. Like you (laughs) were sweet. Okay, so what's this-

    19. YSYusef Smith52:51

        We've got Canary.

    20. CWChris Williamson52:52

        ... what's this Curio thing?

    21. JWJonny Watson52:53

        The Curio is, um... So the, so, so the first thing that actually drew me to them was their, their Instagram ads are really impressive, I think. So they're, they're like, their angle's really impressive, which is, there's... And you may have seen them. There's people going down an escalator in like the London Underground and everything's in black and white apart from one person who's listening to something. Everyone's reading and this one person's listening to something and they're in bright, vivid colors and the angle is like, be the most interesting person in the room. I was like, "Oh, that's, that's so cool." It got, caught my attention, clicked on it. So it's the same problem as Blinkist, which is like I have a, these windows of time where I just want to listen to something interesting. So Curio takes, like, articles from... You can ask it where, where to pick them from. So it's basically what you guys do with Pocket, where you're sort of self-sourcing the information, but it does that for you and it's taking it from, like, wherever you want to listen to stuff, like The Economist, Financial Times, like st- stuff that honestly I would just never read, but I end up listening to... I, I listen to stuff about like AI or like the labor market or like stuff that is actually really interesting. It's not all just current affairs and news. It's, it's like really detailed concepts and topics that are just narrated by people. And it's a service that just does that.

    22. CWChris Williamson54:03

        Subscription?

    23. JWJonny Watson54:03

        It is a subscription.

    24. CWChris Williamson54:03

        How much?

    25. JWJonny Watson54:04

        I think it's like 40 pounds a year.

    26. CWChris Williamson54:06

        That's not much, is it?

    27. JWJonny Watson54:07

        No. Well, not when you consider that like what you get for that. I think it's pretty good.

    28. CWChris Williamson54:11

        So Curio sounds like an audio equivalent of the browser, which I think I've mentioned to you guys before.

    29. JWJonny Watson54:16

        Mm-hmm.

    30. CWChris Williamson54:17

        Now the browser is five articles per day, uh, hosted on Substack, but also delivered to your inbox, but also you can get an RSS reader and stuff like that. And they have the listener, which is five, uh, audio podcasts of some kind or another. But the main thing I think that both me and you are getting out of Curio and the browser is just stepping out of our echo chambers.
14. 1:00:53 – 1:11:41

    What they’re watching/reading: Marcella, Time, Mortal Kombat, Gangs of London, Knives Out

    1. CWChris Williamson1:00:53

       As, as is tradition toward the end of a life hacks episode, stuff that we have been either reading or watching on Netflix and such. And I am going to open up with Marcella...

    2. JWJonny Watson1:01:07

       ... seen it.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:01:08

       What do you think?

    4. JWJonny Watson1:01:10

       It's all right.

    5. CWChris Williamson1:01:11

       Oh, come on.

    6. YSYusef Smith1:01:13

       (laughs)

    7. CWChris Williamson1:01:13

       Come on.

    8. YSYusef Smith1:01:14

       Wah-wah-wah.

    9. JWJonny Watson1:01:15

       Have you seen all of it? Have you seen all of the seasons?

    10. CWChris Williamson1:01:17

        Yeah, right up to the Irish season.

    11. JWJonny Watson1:01:19

        Really, really peters out towards the end, doesn't it?

    12. CWChris Williamson1:01:21

        Yeah. Okay, so it lags a little bit, but I just thought-

    13. JWJonny Watson1:01:23

        Yeah, it's a strong opening.

    14. CWChris Williamson1:01:24

        Yeah. It was, it was different. Uh, it's a sort of a, like an edgy Line of Duty, less about the actual storylines and more about the, um, main character who is going through some dissociative psychotic breaks. And you kind of see this get worse. And then the end of season two is probably one of the biggest twists in a story that I've seen in quite a while. I just thought it was quite compelling. It's on ITV, uh, which annoyingly, unless you upgrade for 3.99 pounds a month on ITV Hub, has inbuilt hardcoded adverts on TV-

    15. YSYusef Smith1:02:03

        Uh.

    16. CWChris Williamson1:02:03

        ... that you can't get past. However, they have a seven-day ITV Hub Pro free trial, no obligation. So if you really-

    17. YSYusef Smith1:02:11

        And if you register in the Czech Republic-

    18. CWChris Williamson1:02:13

        (laughs)

    19. YSYusef Smith1:02:14

        ... and send your postcode to somewhere in Russia, then you can get it for 12p.

    20. CWChris Williamson1:02:17

        They can never, they can never catch you. (laughs) Uh, but you can just, if you want to pound through three seasons of Marcella, you can do it, uh, within the window of time of that. But yes, that's my first one. Johnny, what have you been watching, or reading, or YouTube videoing recently?

    21. JWJonny Watson1:02:33

        Um, Time on BBC with Sean Bean and Stephen Graham. Who-

    22. CWChris Williamson1:02:40

        Bastard. Bastard.

    23. YSYusef Smith1:02:42

        (laughs)

    24. CWChris Williamson1:02:43

        You bastard. I love it. Have you seen that megamix, that super cut of all the time-

    25. YSYusef Smith1:02:48

        (laughs)

    26. CWChris Williamson1:02:48

        ... that Sean Bean said, "Bastard," in-

    27. JWJonny Watson1:02:51

        No.

    28. CWChris Williamson1:02:52

        What's that show that he was in for millions of seasons? Not Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. It was like, the Napoleon Bonaparte shit where it's from-

    29. JWJonny Watson1:02:59

        Oh. Um ... Oh, God.

    30. CWChris Williamson1:03:04

        Anyway, that thing. Um, and-
15. 1:11:41 – 1:18:24

    Lucid dreaming & altered states: Michael Raduga’s ‘Phase’ seminar + text-to-speech listening

    1. YSYusef Smith1:11:41

       I have been watching a seminar by a guy called Michael Raduga about, so he calls it the phase, and it's, if any of you've heard of lucid dreaming or astral projection or out of body experiences, it, it's basically all of these like hypnagogic semi-sleep states that he just calls the phase, and it's fascinating.

    2. JWJonny Watson1:12:05

       The phase, did you say?

    3. YSYusef Smith1:12:06

       The pha- yeah, it's a three hour-

    4. CWChris Williamson1:12:08

       How do you spell r-a-d-u-g-e-r?

    5. YSYusef Smith1:12:10

       Raduga, yeah.

    6. JWJonny Watson1:12:12

       Sounds like a pasta.

    7. YSYusef Smith1:12:14

       Yeah. Linguine, I think.

    8. CWChris Williamson1:12:16

       You, is this, is this (laughs) .

    9. YSYusef Smith1:12:19

       Um.

    10. CWChris Williamson1:12:20

        Is, um, is this on YouTube?

    11. YSYusef Smith1:12:23

        Yeah.

    12. CWChris Williamson1:12:24

        Cool.

    13. YSYusef Smith1:12:24

        I actually used to work in a pasta factory when I was younger, but I got fired 'cause I made a few silly mistakes.

    14. JWJonny Watson1:12:32

        This is a joke.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:12:35

        What did you do?

    16. YSYusef Smith1:12:36

        I'm not, uh...

    17. JWJonny Watson1:12:37

        Oh, a few silly.

    18. CWChris Williamson1:12:39

        Oh. Oh.

    19. YSYusef Smith1:12:43

        One of the pharmacists came and said that to me when I was like mid, I think I was like mid-cannulating someone or something, and I was like, "Uh, yeah, okay." And then like 10 minutes later you're like, "Ah, right."

    20. CWChris Williamson1:12:53

        Yeah, still shit-

    21. YSYusef Smith1:12:54

        Anyway.

    22. CWChris Williamson1:12:54

        ... but yeah.

    23. YSYusef Smith1:12:55

        (laughs) So, so it's, well, it's basically a walkthrough of how to achieve these, um, states where your body goes to sleep, your mind stays awake, and you're able to navigate the inside of your mind in a very like spatial way, which is pretty cool.

    24. CWChris Williamson1:13:14

        Have you been able to replicate this?

    25. YSYusef Smith1:13:16

        No, I've been... I, I've only been doing it for, like, two days. It takes, like, months of practice. But, um, it's a very systematic method to doing it, so if anyone's interested in exploring that, that world. It's very practical.

    26. JWJonny Watson1:13:30

        I've had one, one lucid dream before. That I... Well, I suppose you have to remember them, don't you? Otherwise they're... it's not a lucid dream.

    27. YSYusef Smith1:13:35

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JWJonny Watson1:13:36

        But, yeah, and I had one lucid dream before which... It... and then as soon as you, like, realize what's happening, it jolts you out of it.

    29. YSYusef Smith1:13:41

        Yeah, there's lots of practices to not get, like, excited, being like, "Oh, yes, I'm in the..." And then you're like, ah, pulled back to your body.

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