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Some Very Important Effects In Advertising | Richard Shotton

Richard Shotton is a behavioural scientist, the Founder of Astroten and an author. What is the reason that restaurants don't put £ signs in front of their prices? Why do marketing campaigns with huge flaws end up winning the market over? How does increasing wait times on comparison sites improve customer buy-in? And why do budget airlines reduce quality of experience to improve trust? We're talking all things behavioural science today. One of my favourite topic areas with a fascinating guest, this episode is absolute gold and packed with great concepts and hilarious real world examples. Do not sleep on this one. Extra Stuff: Follow Richard on Twitter - https://twitter.com/rshotton Buy Richard's Book - https://amzn.to/2YCQfdt Buy Richard's Online Course - https://www.42courses.com/courses/behavioural-science-for-brands Listen to Rory Sutherland on Modern Wisdom - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/049-rory-sutherland-psychology-in-the-world-of-advertising/id1347973549?i=1000428600578 Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Richard ShottonguestChris Williamsonhost
Aug 5, 20191h 10mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:03

    Why advertising is swinging back from “data & targeting” to psychology

    Richard opens by arguing that the industry overpromised on data-driven targeting and is now correcting back toward long-standing psychological principles. He frames behavioral science as a way to uncover durable insights about audiences rather than chasing tools and platforms.

    • Overclaiming during the targeting/data boom led to disappointment
    • A “pendulum swing” back toward timeless psychological truths
    • Behavioral science as a practical toolkit for understanding audiences
    • Technology still matters, but it’s not the whole story
  2. 1:03 – 3:30

    Astro10: the company name that came from a (literal) typo

    Chris introduces Richard and they unpack the origin story of Astro10. What began as a clever reference to an authority experiment turned out to be based on a textbook typo—yet the mistake becomes a fitting behavioral-science anecdote itself.

    • Choosing a company name for identity and differentiation
    • Authority experiment with nurses and a fake medication order
    • The original study used “Astro-Gen,” not “Astro10”
    • Owning imperfection as part of the brand story
  3. 3:30 – 5:15

    The Pratfall Effect: why admitting a flaw can make brands more persuasive

    Richard explains Elliot Aronson’s ‘pratfall effect’—competence plus a small mistake increases likability. They connect it to advertising: strategic imperfection can boost attention, trust, and warmth toward brands.

    • Aronson’s quiz experiment: genius + coffee spill becomes more appealing
    • Counterintuitive insight: flaws can increase attractiveness
    • Relevance to brands/products, not just people
    • Imperfection can change the power dynamic and humanize brands
  4. 5:15 – 10:41

    Classic ads that weaponize flaws (VW, Avis, Guinness, Stella, KFC)

    They walk through iconic campaigns that explicitly acknowledged weaknesses and turned them into strengths. Richard argues the best examples choose a flaw that mirrors a core benefit and makes the rest of the messaging more believable.

    • VW “Ugly is only skin deep,” Avis “We’re number two,” Guinness waiting
    • Stella “Reassuringly expensive,” KFC admitting fries are bad
    • Distinctiveness helps overcome the ‘being noticed’ hurdle (Von Restorff effect)
    • Admitting a flaw signals honesty, increasing credibility of other claims
    • Pick an inconsequential weakness that reinforces the main strength
  5. 10:41 – 22:17

    When friction is useful: the IKEA effect and making effort feel meaningful

    Chris’ Guinness-style slow-pour coffee story leads into the IKEA effect: effort can increase perceived value. Richard shares the Betty Crocker cake-mix case where making the product slightly harder (adding an egg) increased sales because it restored a sense of care and contribution.

    • Most marketing should reduce friction—except in rare cases
    • IKEA effect: more effort can increase appreciation/ownership
    • Betty Crocker: ‘too easy’ felt like less love; adding an egg fixed it
    • “Authoritative” friction: delays/loading bars can imply thoroughness
  6. 22:17 – 29:13

    Pain of payment: why contactless, menus, and Uber can change spending behavior

    They explore how separating purchase from the sensation of paying makes people less price-sensitive. Richard shares field research showing contactless users remember spending less accurately and tend to underestimate it; small cues like removing currency symbols can lift spend.

    • Distance from cash reduces price sensitivity (casino chips, cards, apps)
    • Field test: cash spend remembered best; contactless remembered worst
    • Uber and one-click buying feel ‘almost free’ due to low friction
    • Menu design: removing currency symbols increased spending (~8%)
    • Small pricing cues can have outsized profit effects
  7. 29:13 – 32:39

    Social proof done creatively: queues, nightclub tactics, and Apple’s white earbuds

    Richard explains social proof and why it reliably shifts behavior, then critiques overly literal applications like “most popular” claims. The standout example is Apple’s early iPod strategy: make usage visibly distinctive (white earbuds) to manufacture apparent market leadership and trigger a virtuous cycle.

    • Social proof: people copy what seems popular (Cialdini, HMRC, etc.)
    • Nightclubs: building queues as visible popularity signals
    • Marketers often apply social proof too literally via stats and claims
    • Apple leveraged visibility: white earbuds made iPod adoption observable
    • Lateral application of biases through design and cues
  8. 32:39 – 41:30

    Desert-island bias #1–#2: Pratfall effect and Price Relativity

    Chris asks Richard to choose five key biases to keep. Richard reiterates the pratfall effect, then introduces price relativity: consumers judge value using comparisons rather than absolute calculations, so brands can shift willingness-to-pay by changing the reference set.

    • Top bias: pratfall effect as a trust/attention lever
    • Price relativity: value is judged relative to a comparison set
    • Kahneman’s idea: people replace complex value calculations with simpler heuristics
    • Seedlip framed as ‘non-alcoholic spirit’ vs cordial to justify premium pricing
    • Nespresso pods compared to coffee-shop cups, not grocery bags
  9. 41:30 – 46:39

    Desert-island bias #3: “9-Enders” and targeting life-change moments cheaply

    Richard describes research suggesting people whose age ends in nine are more likely to make major life decisions. Beyond the quirky name, the marketing value is that it’s targetable with modern data and can be a less competitive bidding signal in auction-based media.

    • Claim: ‘9-ending’ ages correlate with major lifestyle changes
    • Evidence from observed datasets (marathons, affairs-site signups, suicides)
    • Decade transitions create reflection and decision points
    • Practical targeting now that platforms capture birthdays/ages
    • Media auctions: unique signals can reduce overpaying for the same audiences
  10. 46:39 – 1:02:15

    Desert-island bias #4–#5: why claimed data misleads & the Dunning–Kruger story

    Richard warns against trusting what consumers say, using a wine-aisle music experiment where behavior changed dramatically but shoppers denied being influenced. He closes the ‘five biases’ list with the Dunning–Kruger effect, illustrated by the infamous lemon-juice bank robber story and its implications for overconfidence in marketing decisions.

    • Wine aisle study: French vs German music flips wine-country sales
    • Only 2% cite music; most deny influence even when asked directly
    • Lesson: prioritize experiments/test-control over surveys and focus groups
    • Dunning–Kruger: incompetence often pairs with overconfidence; experts may underestimate
    • Marketing implication: overconfidence can lead to premature abandonment of good campaigns
  11. 1:02:15 – 1:10:27

    Closing rapid-fire examples: extreme price framing, pickpockets, and Caesar’s ‘Veblen’ ransom

    They finish with memorable anecdotes that show behavioral principles in the wild: a condom/diaper price sign demonstrating comparison framing; warnings that backfire by revealing where valuables are; a ‘put pockets’ anti-pickpocket campaign; and Julius Caesar allegedly boosting his status by inflating his own ransom (a proto-Veblen effect). They wrap with where to find Richard’s work.

    • Price relativity punchline: compare condoms to diapers to look cheap
    • ‘Beware pickpockets’ signs can backfire by prompting pocket-patting
    • Ogilvy ‘Put Pockets’: ex-pickpockets place warning flyers into pockets
    • Julius Caesar ransom story as signaling via high price (Veblen effect)
    • Outro: Richard’s Twitter, The Choice Factory, and online course plugs

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