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Stephen McGinty - The World's Deepest Submarine Rescue | Modern Wisdom Podcast 351

Stephen McGinty is an author, journalist and documentary producer. In 1973, two British men, Roger Chapman & Roger Mallinson were 1500ft below the surface laying trans-Atlantic telephone cables in the Pisces III submarine. What happened next is one of the longest, most dangerous, complex and daring rescues ever attempted as America, Canada, Ireland and Britain marshalled their forces in the air and beneath the sea to save the two men, all while their oxygen, food and power was rapidly running out. Sponsors: Get £70+ of free upgrades on amazing design work from 99designs by Vistaprint at https://99designs.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Buy The Dive - https://amzn.to/3wUBnIt Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #submarinerescue #piscesiii #underwater - 00:00 Intro 00:23 World’s Deepest Submarine Rescue 05:05 Why Did They Need Rescuing? 13:13 How Long Does a Rescue Take? 17:18 Rescue Process for Pisces 3 37:55 Physiological State of the Divers 46:55 How Far Away From a Bad Ending? 49:38 What Did the Team Do After? 51:02 Meeting the Team 56:09 Where to Find Stephen - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Stephen McGintyguestChris Williamsonhost
Jul 28, 202157mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Analog-age heroism: Inside history’s deepest, near-fatal submarine rescue

  1. The episode recounts the 1973 sinking of the Pisces III mini‑submersible to 1,650 feet and the unprecedented three‑day international effort to rescue pilots Roger Chapman and Roger Mallinson. The sub, working on a new transatlantic telephone cable, accidently flooded and plunged to the seabed with minimal food, no water, and rapidly dwindling life-support. Above them, British, Canadian, and American teams scrambled ships, aircraft, divers, manned subs, and a U.S. Navy robot vehicle, improvising hardware and procedures in real time as multiple rescue attempts failed. McGinty highlights both the psychological ordeal of the trapped men and the ‘brotherhood of the sea’ that ultimately succeeded when almost all oxygen was gone.
  2. The story also shows how this near‑disaster helped shape modern submarine rescue systems and preserves the memory of largely forgotten engineers, pilots, and divers whose ingenuity and refusal to give up made survival possible.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Extreme crises demand both redundancy and improvisation.

Multiple rescue systems (two Pisces subs, the U.S. CURV ROV, divers, and custom-built toggles) were deployed because any single plan was likely to fail; every major system did fail at least once, but overlapping options kept the rescue viable.

CO₂ management is often a more immediate threat than oxygen shortage.

Chapman and Mallinson survived by stretching CO₂ scrubber chemicals and battery life, spacing out scrub cycles, and minimizing movement and speech—showing that controlling exhaled gases is as critical as having oxygen to inhale.

Psychological discipline can materially extend survival time.

The pair reorganized the cramped interior so they barely needed to move, consciously lowered heart and respiration rates, and maintained a calm, almost stoic demeanor, effectively turning composure into a life-support resource.

Clear communication and shared standards are crucial in multinational operations.

Misunderstandings over units (feet vs. meters), noisy underwater phones, and culture clashes added friction; aligning protocols and terminology is as important as hardware when diverse teams must coordinate under time pressure.

Rapid, low-tech engineering can rival high-tech solutions in emergencies.

The key rescue component—the toggle that actually held the sub—was designed with pencils and T-squares and fabricated in hours, while sophisticated systems like the U.S. CURV initially failed due to saltwater‑contaminated electrics.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Try and imagine that you're in a phone box next to the Empire State Building, and then the Atlantic Ocean sweeps in, then all the lights go out, then you start bleeding oxygen.

Stephen McGinty

They know roughly where they are, i.e. they know there's a haystack, they just don't know where the needle is.

Stephen McGinty

If it was easy, everyone would do it.

Stephen McGinty, quoting Al Trice

Literally everything that could have gone wrong with the rescue did go wrong, but they still managed to get them up.

Stephen McGinty

The worst part of it… was coming back up.

Stephen McGinty, recounting Roger Chapman and Roger Mallinson

Background of the Pisces III mission and 1970s transatlantic cable-layingAccident sequence: tow-line snag, flooding, uncontrolled plunge to the seabedLife-support constraints: oxygen, CO₂ scrubbing, cold, hunger, and dehydrationInternational rescue coordination between Vickers, Canada, and the U.S. NavyTechnical challenges: sonar search, improvised toggles, claws, and lift linesPsychological resilience and ‘stiff upper lip’ under extreme confinementAftermath: legacy for submarine rescue and the lives of Chapman and Mallinson

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