The Most Attractive Traits In A Guy - Sara Saffari (4K)

1. 0:00 – 3:51

   The Muscle Mommy Movement

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      Sara Saffari, welcome to the show.

   2. SSSara Saffari0:01

      Hello. Thank you for having me.

   3. CWChris Williamson0:03

      How are you?

   4. SSSara Saffari0:03

      Good. How are you?

   5. CWChris Williamson0:04

      Very good. Thank you. Talk to me about the muscle mommy movement. I'm hearing about it on the internet, that guys, there's like a move away from thin spo to fit spo to now muscle mommy, which is the step up. And even though you only just heard about the word today, it feels like you're part of that movement.

   6. SSSara Saffari0:21

      Yeah. People have been commenting on, like, guys comment on my posts, like muscle mommy sometimes, and like, I'm not gonna lie, I kind of like it. But today was the first time that I've heard, like, women addressing themselves as muscle mommy or each other as muscle mommy.

   7. CWChris Williamson0:36

      Gymshark did a muscle mommy T-shirt.

   8. SSSara Saffari0:38

      Yes. And I was at the event, and I, like even, you know, girls talking on the intercom or whatever, they'd be like, "Okay, muscle mommies," like, "Let's keep pushing." And I was like, "I've never heard this." Like, I haven't heard, like, women addressing women as muscle mommies. I thought it was more of like, um, like kind of joking, flirty type thing that guys comment on girls' posts on Instagram.

   9. CWChris Williamson0:59

      Taken the word and made it your own.

   10. SSSara Saffari1:00

       (laughs)

   11. CWChris Williamson1:00

       So, uh, you're 23?

   12. SSSara Saffari1:04

       22.

   13. CWChris Williamson1:05

       22. You probably growing up would have seen body types change from I guess when you were maybe 11, 12, 13, through to now.

   14. SSSara Saffari1:17

       For sure.

   15. CWChris Williamson1:17

       Talk to me about, like, that ideal female shape, and kind of the lessons that you took about what an attractive woman is-

   16. SSSara Saffari1:25

       Yeah.

   17. CWChris Williamson1:25

       ... physically over time.

   18. SSSara Saffari1:27

       For me, growing up, um, at first I was really skinny, and then through high school, like I would always fluctuate in weight. Like, I'd go anywhere from 130 pounds to 100 pounds, um, which is a pretty big difference when you already weigh, like, kind of low. Um, but I would always be told by my mom, like, "Confidence is what makes you, like, most attractive. Like, it's not what you look like. It's who you are and how you carry yourself." Sorry. And so that's what, you know, I was taught growing up. But for me personally, if I ever saw a girl with abs, I loved it. I loved the look of it. I thought it was, like, so, I don't know, attractive to me. Like, that's what I was aiming for, that's what I wanted, but I never knew how to get there. Like, I didn't know, like, "Oh, how does a girl get abs?" Like, I thought it was just all genetics. But no, diet comes into play, working out comes into play. So, yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson2:21

       And now there's this move, you remember when thigh gaps were a thing, when everybody wanted a thigh gap?

   20. SSSara Saffari2:27

       Bro, yes. I remember being at lunch in high school, and like girls would look at each other and be like, "Oh, you have it." "Oh, you don't." The most toxic thing ever. And I remember, like, I didn't have one at the time, or like, I, I don't think I ever had one, but I would go home and I'd like beat myself up about it, 'cause like girls would be pointing out how it's like good to have a thigh gap.

   21. CWChris Williamson2:44

       Hmm. And interesting, like the internet's kind of become very obsessed physically with the way that people appear. Like, both guys and girls, you know?

   22. SSSara Saffari2:51

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson2:51

       Guys are getting leg lengthening surgery. You seen this?

   24. SSSara Saffari2:55

       I haven't heard of that.

   25. CWChris Williamson2:55

       Dudes get their, yeah, they get their, I'm pretty sure it's their shins extended. They break the shin, stretch it a bit, the bone regrows, they break it again and keep on going, and guys can add inches to their height. And my point being that-

   26. SSSara Saffari3:07

       (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson3:07

       ... people are like optimizing for really weird, kind of, not arbitrary, but they're optimizing for like weird stuff.

   28. SSSara Saffari3:13

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson3:14

       One of the things that nobody ever talks about is that sort of s- hotness or sex appeal that people have just from the way that they hold themselves-

   30. SSSara Saffari3:22

       Yeah.
2. 3:51 – 9:20

   Sara’s Experience of Rapid Growth

   1. CWChris Williamson3:51

      you have managed to gain quite a bit of notoriety in a very short space of time. I think the number one job or occupation that young kids in America say that they want when they grow up is influencer or YouTuber. Uh, and in China, it's astronaut or, uh, li- uh, some other, some other c- like something that's way less lame.

   2. SSSara Saffari4:11

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson4:11

      Um, talk to me about this rapid gain in status, 'cause for guys, there's an obvious advantage, at least on the surface.

   4. SSSara Saffari4:23

      Yeah. For sure.

   5. CWChris Williamson4:23

      More people know me, I have status, girls will like me. But for a girl to gain millions of followers in basically no time at all, I don't know, that, that seems interesting to me that there's, there's probably more advantages that people wouldn't see and then some disadvantages you wouldn't see as well. So what's that been like?

   6. SSSara Saffari4:39

      Yeah, I think for me, I'm, I'm not gonna lie, I think the money has been a great, great part of it. But for me, I'm not someone who spends my money on materialistic things. Like, I was just telling you how I have fake shoes on, like they were 100 bucks.

   7. CWChris Williamson4:52

      You've blown it to the internet.

   8. SSSara Saffari4:53

      Yeah. No, they know. I think if they know, they've watched my content, they know that I don't like splurge, you know? I, I save all the money I make. Like, sure, maybe I, when I go to In-N-Out, I can eat a little bit better. Like, I can order the fries or order the 4x4 instead of the, just like the single burger. But for me, like the money's nice 'cause now I know I have the power to, you know, if my mom needs a new car, I can be the one that does that for her. Or like, you know, we're looking at, to like moving out, maybe getting a new house. I know that I can pitch in and carry my weight financially in something like that. Um, so I think just like not necessarily physically having the money, but having the peace of mind-

   9. CWChris Williamson5:32

      Yeah.

   10. SSSara Saffari5:32

       ... of knowing that, you know, I can support myself or my family.

   11. CWChris Williamson5:36

       And what's the increase in attention been like? You just came from this big Gymshark event that we were both at.

   12. SSSara Saffari5:42

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson5:43

       And you got swamped by men. You say that 90% of your audience is men.

   14. SSSara Saffari5:46

       Yeah. It's all guys.

   15. CWChris Williamson5:47

       And you're 5'3"?

   16. SSSara Saffari5:49

       Hey, 5'4". (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson5:52

       Give me a break.

   18. SSSara Saffari5:53

       I'm kidding.

   19. CWChris Williamson5:53

       Uh, you're a, you're a small girl that's being surrounded by a shit ton of men.

   20. SSSara Saffari5:58

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson5:59

       Like, talk to me, talk to me about this. Like, this is, this is in some regards, like a nightmare scenario that girls literally would, would hate. And then in other regards, this is the price of doing business for you.

   22. SSSara Saffari6:08

       Yeah. For me, like...Today, I realized how many people came up and was like, "Sara, like, you're really funny. I love your content." And I think that's the best compliment for me to get, is being like, "Oh, you're funny," or, you know, it's more than just, like, "Oh, it's just, like, another hot girl on Instagram posting bikini pictures." Like, if they find some kind of value from my content, even if it's just humor... Like, sure, I'm not giving anything educational, but if they are laughing while watching my videos, or watching me fuck with Bradley, or, you know, whatever it is, like, that makes me happy. 'Cause I know, like, after I watch, like, a Danny Duncan video, or a JiDion video, like, I feel good. You know, like, I was laughing through the 10-minute video, so...

   23. CWChris Williamson6:48

       What about the negative sides of the attention? Have you had many?

   24. SSSara Saffari6:53

       I've had some. I've had some, like... maybe the best not to say them, to not address, like, very much attention to those things. But I've had some, some weird or bad experiences with people. Um, but for the most part, it's all been good. I feel like regardless, whatever I involve myself with, even if I was, you know, using my degree and working a 9:00 to 5:00 job, it wouldn't all be good.

   25. CWChris Williamson7:15

       Yeah.

   26. SSSara Saffari7:16

       There would still be some bad, bad days. There would be, you know, arguments with people I work with. There would be downfall, uh, downfalls in other, in other aspects of, you know, working at an office from 8:00 to 5:00, so...

   27. CWChris Williamson7:30

       I'm definitely seeing a move online of like, uh, this... one of the dudes from the UK made a video called the Gym Bro Culture 2.0, and he was talking about the move from the more, like, Zzzz era, exclusive body side stuff, to a more holistic, integrated, it's life advice, it's an older brother rather than a party friend type thing.

   28. SSSara Saffari7:53

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson7:54

       I would be interested, I, I definitely think if you look at the fitness world for girls, it's still pretty trapped in the, it's all about your condition, your tan, the size of the bikini. Uh, and I wonder, I don't know, like, if you have a personality as a girl who's also into fitness, whether some people, and this is the same for guys too, whether they almost feel like if I let the weirder side out of me, that this is going to... well, I don't have many role models that do that. Or if I let the more intellectually curious side out of me, that this isn't what people want on the internet-

   30. SSSara Saffari8:27

       Want to see.
3. 9:20 – 16:50

   TikTok Girls Catching Guys Watching Them in the Gym

   1. CWChris Williamson9:20

      this new trend of girls TikTokking guys looking over while they're doing videos. You spend a lot of time in the gym.

   2. SSSara Saffari9:25

      Yes.

   3. CWChris Williamson9:26

      You're in the age bracket. You're big on TikTok, you're big on social media platforms. Give me your lay of the land. What do you think about this trend?

   4. SSSara Saffari9:33

      I, I think, I think sometimes guys looking at girls, depending on, you know, the age gap... I think the age gap does matter. I think, you know, if you're a 22-year-old girl and there's a 25-year-old guy, like, just, you know, glancing over here and there, like, without, like, constantly staring, you know, might be his way of shooting his shot, or whatever. On the other hand, if he's 55 years old and, like, he's just continuously staring at you, that could be off. But then he also might be looking at you 'cause you have a camera propped up, and he's like, "What is this girl doing?" Like, "I don't know what this is." You know? Or he might wanna try to not be in the frame.

   5. CWChris Williamson10:10

      Why do you think this is happening? Why do you think that this trend is, is occurring? Like, do you think that these girls actually feel this way?

   6. SSSara Saffari10:17

      Honestly, no. I don't think... I think that, like, you know, sometimes maybe they catch it in the moment, and they think, like, "Oh, this is what's gonna make me blow up." Because I see myself as a very, like... I'm constantly aware of who's looking at me, or my surroundings, or whatever. Or, you know, if I'm walking out of the pool and I see a guy look a little bit too much, I'm like, "Can I help you?"

   7. CWChris Williamson10:38

      (laughs)

   8. SSSara Saffari10:38

      You know, I'm constantly aware of that. But never have I been around other girls and I see them being that aware of things.

   9. CWChris Williamson10:44

      Hmm.

   10. SSSara Saffari10:46

       Not usually. I feel like girls aren't usually that, that aware of it.

   11. CWChris Williamson10:52

       And I suppose when you're videoing yourself and you watch it back and you go, "Oh."

   12. SSSara Saffari10:55

       Oh. Oh, like, "Oh, got 'em."

   13. CWChris Williamson10:57

       That's your external awareness almost.

   14. SSSara Saffari10:59

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson10:59

       Yeah, so here was the thing that I thought when that, that main huge video went out-

   16. SSSara Saffari11:03

       Yeah, what do you think?

   17. CWChris Williamson11:03

       ... and the girl did it, and then she did the apology, and then Joey Swoll, like, found his new content arc.

   18. SSSara Saffari11:09

       Mm-hmm.

   19. CWChris Williamson11:09

       Um, what happened there was... people that spend a lot of time on the internet use other stories from the internet as a guide, a guardrail, and a guideline for how they should behave as well. Lots of girls looked at that situation. And if you'd said to me, if you'd just shown me the video in isolation, I couldn't see the comments, I couldn't see the likes, and said, "What do you think's the response to this?" It could have gone either way. I could have seen it as a coin toss that the internet would have flamed the guy and said, "That's too much, that's out of order," and sided on the sort of victim hypersensitive side.

   20. SSSara Saffari11:46

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson11:47

       Or, they could have gone the way that they did go, which is he looks over three times in 90 seconds, you're pointing a camera at him, and your shorts are in your ass.

   22. SSSara Saffari11:54

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson11:54

       What did you expect? And you can't do a glute bridge. Like, what do you expect?

   24. SSSara Saffari11:57

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson11:59

       So, what happened... the way that I saw it, and this is kind of why it's so interesting, lots of people that spend lots of time on the internet look at situations like that that are kind of landmark opportunities for a common scenario to play out online...... and they use the way that that fallout occurs as a barometer for how they should feel if it happens in their life and future.

   26. SSSara Saffari12:21

       Yeah.

   27. CWChris Williamson12:22

       And bec-

   28. SSSara Saffari12:22

       I see, yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson12:23

       Because the pushback was there, lots of girls now realize that, "Oh, if a guy looks over three times in 90 seconds while I'm doing a glute bridge, maybe that's the sort of thing that I don't need to be too concerned about." The problem is, it could have gone the other way, and that now lowers the ceiling for guys to be scared that if they look over too much, whether they mean to or whether they don't, that they're gonna be in trouble. But the other one is, it makes an increasingly fragile generation of young girls who feel victimized and concerned if a guy does look over.

   30. SSSara Saffari12:53

       Yeah.
4. 16:50 – 22:10

   What Are Gen-Z Guys Like to Date?

   1. CWChris Williamson16:50

      to me about guys your age. There's like this, uh, uh, f- fucking moral panic on the internet-

   2. SSSara Saffari16:55

      Yeah.

   3. CWChris Williamson16:55

      ... about Gen Z men especially. They're pathologically fapping their way through a Monster Energy-fueled video game and porn binge. Like, what, what are Gen Z guys like, the ones that you either grew up with or sometimes try and speak to with regards to dating or, or, or anything? What... How do you categorize them, or how do you classify them?

   4. SSSara Saffari17:17

      I feel like there's a lot of growing to do from the ages of, from the age of 22 to, like, 27 for men. And I think, you know, 22-year-old men just aren't there yet necessarily, and I think that I am, I'm pretty mature for my age. Um, and I think the guys that I've encountered for the most part just aren't there yet. They're just immature, maybe caught up with kind of a younger mindset.

   5. CWChris Williamson17:44

      Yeah, so what are they doing? Like, what are they... What are they prioritizing? What are they concerned about?

   6. SSSara Saffari17:50

      I think they prioritize friends a good amount, which isn't a bad thing. I'm just saying friends a lot, partying, going out, you know, drinking.

   7. CWChris Williamson18:00

      Mm. I wonder how much of that's an LA thing.

   8. SSSara Saffari18:04

      I think a good amount of it might be an LA thing. I think if you go, like, to a rural, "rural" town in Kansas, maybe it's not as much.

   9. CWChris Williamson18:10

      Yup. Have you heard of slow life strategy? Do you know about this?

   10. SSSara Saffari18:13

       Slow life strategy?

   11. CWChris Williamson18:14

       Yeah, so there's a... It seems at the moment, based on the data, that...Y- gen Z, both guys and girls, little bit younger than you, um, you would probably be at the very front of this wave, um, getting their driver's license later, moving out of home later, uh, getting a job later, uh, not partying as much, not drinking as much, not taking drugs. So, they've got generalized risk aversion. They're not doing the risky things that previous generations of that age would, but they're also not even really doing the adult things. Like, the number of 16 to 20-year-olds who don't have a driver's license is the highest ever. Like-

   12. SSSara Saffari18:50

       Really? You think COVID had a s- like-

   13. CWChris Williamson18:52

       Yeah, maybe.

   14. SSSara Saffari18:52

       ... a pushback in that?

   15. CWChris Williamson18:54

       Maybe. Maybe it could be that people just-

   16. SSSara Saffari18:56

       Became more isolated-

   17. CWChris Williamson18:57

       Yeah.

   18. SSSara Saffari18:58

       ... stopped.

   19. CWChris Williamson18:58

       And if that's your formative years, if you're 15 and COVID hits and you're 18 and COVID finishes, you've just grown up. Y- all you can remember, basically, being the person that you are, is this hermit at home playing Fortnite or whatever.

   20. SSSara Saffari19:14

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson19:15

       Um, but what it makes me think about is what... when these people do need to grow up, you mentioned young guys could do with maybe growing up a little bit more quickly-

   22. SSSara Saffari19:25

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson19:26

       ... if they want a chance.

   24. SSSara Saffari19:27

       (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson19:29

       And it makes me wonder whether that's gonna keep getting pushed further and further and further.

   26. SSSara Saffari19:32

       For... Hopefully not, but...

   27. CWChris Williamson19:35

       I don't know. It's a...

   28. SSSara Saffari19:36

       Yeah. I think, for me, one of the biggest turn-ons or pluses a guy can have is being motivated or, like, dedicated to something, even if that's plumbing. You know? Just something that, like, every day you wanna do and work towards to being better at. You know, whether that's the gym or a job, like plumbing or being a dentist or being an astronaut, like whatever. You know? Just something to work towards rather than just kinda laying back and, like, kicking your feet up and just enjoying day by day. I think it's imp-... Like, that's great and everything, but I think you have to have something that every day you're trying to improve.

   29. CWChris Williamson20:15

       Drive and motivation and ambition I think are very sexy.

   30. SSSara Saffari20:19

       Yes.
5. 22:10 – 25:16

   Do Girls Have Many Positive Role Models?

   1. CWChris Williamson22:10

      that. What about the other side of the fence? Are you seeing challenges that young girls have with femininity at the moment, of like finding their role within the world? Whether they should be a tradwife or a, like, uh, a sex positive sleep around girl, party girl, whether they should be a hermit?

   2. SSSara Saffari22:27

      I don't know. I think it's hard, especially with social media. And like most of the girls you see on social media are like... You know, there's, there's two sides of it, of course, but there's a lot of like, um, like sex symbols you see on social media. Or even if it's not like sex symbols, you see like these hot beautiful girls that may or may not have had work done, but in swimsuits or whatever in. For a lot of people it's hard to... Like, you would never get there, but like that's who you see on a daily basis on your phone, so that's, that's what you want.

   3. CWChris Williamson22:57

      Hmm.

   4. SSSara Saffari22:57

      Or that's what you wanna strive towards, but... Yeah. So, I think it's hard to say what kind of... what ex-... like, extent do femininity girls look for? But I think it... Social media hasn't made it easier.

   5. CWChris Williamson23:08

      It's confusing.

   6. SSSara Saffari23:09

      It's confusing for sure.

   7. CWChris Williamson23:10

      And look at some of the role models that were held up as, "Okay, so this is really, really where, you know... this is someone that's charging forward and really getting it right." Lizzo, fighting for girls-

   8. SSSara Saffari23:23

      Oh my god.

   9. CWChris Williamson23:23

      ... all over the place.

   10. SSSara Saffari23:24

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson23:24

       And then the bottom falls out, and it turns out that she's making her dancers eat bananas out of strippers' vaginas-

   12. SSSara Saffari23:29

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson23:30

       ... weight shaming all of the people as this champion for body positivity. And Ellen DeGeneres as well-

   14. SSSara Saffari23:35

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson23:36

       ... turns out that she's a total prick to work with. Um, yeah.

   16. SSSara Saffari23:39

       It's like pe-... And it's the people that you would think that were like the most understanding that turned out to not be.

   17. CWChris Williamson23:45

       I don't know whether it's people that you would think. I think it's people that pretended-

   18. SSSara Saffari23:48

       That portrayed themself, yeah, that portrayed-

   19. CWChris Williamson23:50

       Precisely correct.

   20. SSSara Saffari23:51

       Yeah, people that portrayed themselves to be like the most understanding or accepting of everyone that turned out-

   21. CWChris Williamson23:57

       It's like the-

   22. SSSara Saffari23:57

       ... to be the shittiest (laughs) .

   23. CWChris Williamson23:58

       It's like the senator that's pushing-

   24. SSSara Saffari24:00

       (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson24:00

       ... the hardcore anti-gay legislation that goes home and secretly watches gay porn-

   26. SSSara Saffari24:05

       Gay porn. Right.

   27. CWChris Williamson24:05

       ... on a VPN.

   28. SSSara Saffari24:06

       Right. (laughs)

   29. CWChris Williamson24:07

       Yeah. Um, it's... I, I think it's fascinating. And, uh, there's a part of that, you know, the... Because people's actions are way less visible than their words online-

   30. SSSara Saffari24:16

       Yeah.
6. 25:16 – 32:57

   Sara’s Brad V Logan Prediction

   1. CWChris Williamson25:16

      Brad versus Logan, who wins?

   2. SSSara Saffari25:20

      Yo, Brad's gonna flame me if I don't say Rad's gonna win. Uh, in a street fight?

   3. CWChris Williamson25:27

      No, in the ring, in a boxing-

   4. SSSara Saffari25:28

      In the ring.

   5. CWChris Williamson25:28

      ... In a boxing.

   6. SSSara Saffari25:29

      In the boxing. Okay, see you made it harder.

   7. CWChris Williamson25:31

      That's the fight that they're talking about, no?

   8. SSSara Saffari25:33

      No, Brad was talking about street fight, like, "Yo, I'm 260, pull up outside the gym, I'll rock your shit."

   9. CWChris Williamson25:37

      Okay. Who wins in the street fight?

   10. SSSara Saffari25:39

       Brad. In the ring, Logan.

   11. CWChris Williamson25:43

       Managed to pull that fence out of your ass somehow.

   12. SSSara Saffari25:45

       Yep. Thank you.

   13. CWChris Williamson25:45

       Yeah, well-

   14. SSSara Saffari25:46

       Don't kick me off Raw Gear, Bradley. (laughs)

   15. CWChris Williamson25:49

       (laughs)

   16. SSSara Saffari25:49

       I'm kidding. But Brad is, like, obscenely strong too.

   17. CWChris Williamson25:55

       Yeah.

   18. SSSara Saffari25:55

       He's quick.

   19. CWChris Williamson25:56

       He's stronger than Chris Bumstead, right? They'd had Sibo on the-

   20. SSSara Saffari25:59

       Yes.

   21. CWChris Williamson25:59

       ... podcast and Brad was like, "Yo, don't compare our numbers because it's not fair." It's like, hang on, we're talking about a world champion. I trained with Chris. Chris is a, an-

   22. SSSara Saffari26:07

       Animal, yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson26:07

       He's one of those guys that's got big hands. Like you, dude you've even, you, your hands are even muscular.

   24. SSSara Saffari26:11

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson26:12

       Um, so yeah, he is strong, but I don't know. I mean, Brad better get on that cardio game if he wants to try and do-

   26. SSSara Saffari26:19

       Yeah.

   27. CWChris Williamson26:19

       ... five or eight rounds.

   28. SSSara Saffari26:20

       He's strong and he's also, like, a weirdly athletic, like he can do, like, weirdly high box jumps-

   29. CWChris Williamson26:24

       I've seen that.

   30. SSSara Saffari26:25

       ... or like, like... I don't know, I just...
7. 32:57 – 37:10

   If Sara Could Only Keep 10 Exercises

   1. CWChris Williamson32:57

      I've asked this question to a bunch of different people. If you only had 10 exercises for the rest of your life to hold onto as much muscle or build as much muscle as you could, which ones would you choose and why?

   2. SSSara Saffari33:09

      10 exercises?

   3. CWChris Williamson33:10

      10 exercises. It can be anything you want, but you've only got 10.

   4. SSSara Saffari33:13

      Okay, let's start off. Leg press-

   5. CWChris Williamson33:16

      Okay.

   6. SSSara Saffari33:16

      ... for, you know, you can do different variations in it. You can hit, like, different parts depending on how you put your legs. RDLs.

   7. CWChris Williamson33:27

      Barbell, dumbbells, single leg?

   8. SSSara Saffari33:32

      Barbell RDLs.

   9. CWChris Williamson33:34

      Barbell RDLs is hardcore. Okay, cool. Yep.

   10. SSSara Saffari33:36

       Okay. Military press with the barbell. Military press-

   11. CWChris Williamson33:41

       Seated?

   12. SSSara Saffari33:41

       Shoulder press. No, standing, so you can brace your core. I mean, you, you only get 10 exercises here.

   13. CWChris Williamson33:45

       Okay. Right, yeah, yeah. So, you've made an ab exercise out of a shoulder exercise.

   14. SSSara Saffari33:48

       Right.

   15. CWChris Williamson33:49

       Good. Okay, yeah.

   16. SSSara Saffari33:50

       Um, incline dumbbells.

   17. CWChris Williamson33:52

       (laughs) Every single person has said incline dumbbell press.

   18. SSSara Saffari33:57

       Yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson33:57

       Chest press?

   20. SSSara Saffari33:58

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson33:58

       Yeah. Phenomenal. Yep.

   22. SSSara Saffari34:00

       Yeah. Can't go wrong.

   23. CWChris Williamson34:01

       Yep. That's four.

   24. SSSara Saffari34:03

       Right. Gosh. Okay, what are, is it decline or incline? I always confuse myself. When you lean back a little bit and you do the curls.

   25. CWChris Williamson34:13

       I think that's technically incline, but I know exactly what you mean.

   26. SSSara Saffari34:16

       Yes, 'cause I always mess it-

   27. CWChris Williamson34:17

       I know what you mean.

   28. SSSara Saffari34:18

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson34:18

       Yeah.

   30. SSSara Saffari34:18

       Those curls with dumbbells.
8. 37:10 – 44:16

   How Exercise Can Help with Mental Health Difficulties

   1. SSSara Saffari37:10

   2. CWChris Williamson37:10

      Well, you, I think you came into training pretty underfed.

   3. SSSara Saffari37:15

      Yes.

   4. CWChris Williamson37:15

      Right?

   5. SSSara Saffari37:15

      For sure.

   6. CWChris Williamson37:15

      You were crazy, crazy. T- talk through that, like, way you were at body-wise, and then sort of your progression of training in the gym.

   7. SSSara Saffari37:22

      Yeah. So, I was going through a hard time. I was like the lowest I'd ever weighed. I was 100 pounds. And I was very insecure with myself. Um, I would always wear baggy clothes because I hated how, like, I felt like I just looked sick, like that's how skinny I was. I remember my meals would c- like, a McDonald's little burger, like, off the dollar menu and a large Coke would be my meal for the day.

   8. CWChris Williamson37:45

      And that's all you'd eat?

   9. SSSara Saffari37:46

      That's all I would eat. I remember at 7:00 PM usually I'd get up and go get that, and then drive around the town for an hour and go back home. Like, my mental health just was so poop. It was crappy. And I think that went on for about six months, and then I was... it was just like a switch. I was tired of spending literally every hour in bed, and, like, just moping around, low energy, low confidence. And then I was like, "You know what? Like, I've nothing better to do. Might as well hit the gym."

   10. CWChris Williamson38:20

       Was there a moment? Was it... or was it just a progression over time of becoming increasingly fed up with that?

   11. SSSara Saffari38:28

       I don't think there was a moment per se, but I think I just got tired of feeling so shitty. Like, I was tired of feeling tired and, and like, I was just so unhappy with myself.

   12. CWChris Williamson38:39

       How old were you?

   13. SSSara Saffari38:41

       I was 20. Yeah, about two years ago, 20.

   14. CWChris Williamson38:45

       Uh-huh.

   15. SSSara Saffari38:46

       Um, and then I remember, I literally remember, like, what I was wearing that day, and I remember the drive to the gym to sign up for the gym membership. Um, I s- I remember I wore glasses. I didn't think, like, I was like, "I'll get the membership today and I'll start tomorrow," or whatever. I went in, I got the membership, and then I started that same day. I wore my glasses to work out, whatever. I just, it was weird, but I remember it. And then, um, I worked out, and then I went home and I was like, well, I had seen TikToks, like, right after you work out, you have to eat something, like, high protein. Like, "I'm gonna eat, like, half a piece of salmon." And I was like, "Anything is better than, like, a McDonald's burger at this point." So, I remember I was just like, I would learn a little bit on TikTok, I'd learn a little bit from my brother, I'd learn, like, people that just work out, I would talk to them, try to pick their brain about, like, how I can improve, like, everything all at once. Like, my nutrition, my workouts, everything. So, it was just, like, a mix of TikTok, talking to people. That helped me kind of get to where I am. And within, like, maybe six, seven weeks of working out, I think I really had it dialed. So, I picked it up very fast, relatively. You know, trained, trained with intensity from the beginning. Um, would push myself. I remember it was when I started, like, you'd still have to wear face masks at the gym. I remember I'd, like, sometimes I would have, like-

   16. CWChris Williamson40:07

       Oh, shit. Yeah, so this was during COVID?

   17. SSSara Saffari40:08

       Yeah. It was 2020 when I started. It was, um, May of 2020.

   18. CWChris Williamson40:15

       In the midst of it.

   19. SSSara Saffari40:16

       Yeah. Wait, May of 2020 or 2021?

   20. CWChris Williamson40:20

       Might be 2021.

   21. SSSara Saffari40:21

       I think it was 2021.

   22. CWChris Williamson40:22

       You're still in the midst of it.

   23. SSSara Saffari40:23

       Yeah. It was 2021, yes.

   24. CWChris Williamson40:26

       Yeah. What was most difficult, or what, what advice would you give to girls that are unhappy with their body or guys that are unhappy with their bodies? Like, you know, there's a lot of challenges and overcoming. There's a lot of, even if you did get some advice from TikTok-

   25. SSSara Saffari40:39

       Yeah.

   26. CWChris Williamson40:39

       ... most of it is horse shit.

   27. SSSara Saffari40:41

       O- regardless of who you are, I think you need to implement some type of physical activity for an hour and a half a day. You know, 45 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on the level of intensity. But whoever you are, however old you are, even if that means going outside and walking, you know. Um, for me, it's like the gym is something that I, it's not a chore. It's gotten to the point that it's the two hours of the day that I enjoy, like I was telling you earlier. Like, I look forward to, like, going to the gym. Um, regardless of your age, you need to work out, do some kind of physical activity, train with intensity, whatever-

   28. CWChris Williamson41:15

       Do you train on your own?

   29. SSSara Saffari41:16

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson41:17

       'Cause obviously in a lot of the content that you put online, there's, it'll-
9. 44:16 – 51:43

   Dealing with Business as a Fitness Influencer

   1. SSSara Saffari44:16

   2. CWChris Williamson44:16

      Yes. Many shitty business people.

   3. SSSara Saffari44:17

      Many shitty business people.

   4. CWChris Williamson44:18

      I think-

   5. SSSara Saffari44:19

      That's what I- I was so dumb to, like, when I first started, thinking like anyone had my best interest at heart or, like, just wanted to genuinely help.

   6. CWChris Williamson44:26

      Why?

   7. SSSara Saffari44:26

      I don't know. I feel like a lot of people try to scam, not scam, but finesse. Finesse.

   8. CWChris Williamson44:33

      Yeah. Such a good word. Um, I wonder how much of it is the way that you present as well, as like a relatively friendly, girly girl, and someone sees this opportunity to try and outwit a-

   9. SSSara Saffari44:47

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson44:48

       ... 21, 22-year-old who probably doesn't have really any idea what's going on. And I wonder whether the equivalent thing would happen with a dude.

   11. SSSara Saffari44:58

       It doesn't. I feel like in social media fitness space, I feel like from what I've heard and everything, maybe men get, you know, respected a little bit more.

   12. CWChris Williamson45:08

       I think they probably get- it's harder to break through and get paid, because the way that you can monetize... Good-looking girls, especially in the fitness space, can monetize guys and girls. Good-looking guys really only monetize guys.

   13. SSSara Saffari45:22

       Yes, but then I feel like you're right in the monetization aspect, but also in the brand partnership aspect. I think guys are treated a little bit better.

   14. CWChris Williamson45:30

       In terms of packages?

   15. SSSara Saffari45:32

       In terms of money, yeah.

   16. CWChris Williamson45:33

       Yeah. That's interesting.

   17. SSSara Saffari45:34

       I think just more respected. Even... Personally, I haven't had an experience with the brands I work with, but I'm saying I've heard my friends, like, you know, due to their engagement or whatever, she, like, she should be getting paid more. And then I know a guy is below her on engagement, following, everything-

   18. CWChris Williamson45:53

       Hmm.

   19. SSSara Saffari45:54

       ... and he's getting paid more all, more than she is. And I'm like, "Well, this is just- she's getting finessed."

   20. CWChris Williamson45:59

       Yeah. It's an interesting one. I mean, I read this stat the other day that said by 2030 women are going to control 50% of global capital. So, women are already 80% of consumer purchasers.

   21. SSSara Saffari46:11

       Yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson46:12

       I think that's skewed a lot because if mothers are having to do the shop-

   23. SSSara Saffari46:17

       Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's skewed.

   24. CWChris Williamson46:18

       You know that every mother is gonna be-

   25. SSSara Saffari46:20

       Yeah.

   26. CWChris Williamson46:20

       ... the one in charge of shopping for baby stuff and then plus they're gonna get the groceries in. So, it does kind of skew that number. Um, but increasingly I think women are gonna have the spending power, which means that the way that marketing is done is gonna have to-

   27. SSSara Saffari46:36

       Change, skew.

   28. CWChris Williamson46:36

       It's gonna have to be adapted. It's definitely gonna have to be adapted. And I think we're already seeing it. I think, you know, brands like Bud Light, Miller Lite, you know, have tried to do something that seems more pro-female. But remember what we were saying before, like, we can call it the Lizzo effect of doing something that looks, that ostensibly the window shopping is-

   29. SSSara Saffari46:57

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson46:57

       ... we care. Behind the scenes, I don't think anybody really thought that Bud Light cared about Dylan Mulvaney or that Miller Lite cared about the fact that they used to do a- a mud wrestling ad.
10. 51:43 – 1:03:14

    Is There a Temptation to Post Over-Sexualised Content?

    1. CWChris Williamson51:43

       at checkout. What are you hoping to be able to do next? Like, what would be... You've got this degree that you're about to finish. You can do lots of different things. It seems to me like you're not... you don't want to just start an OnlyFans or start taking, like, booty pictures and, and go-

    2. SSSara Saffari52:02

       Never.

    3. CWChris Williamson52:02

       ... down that line.

    4. SSSara Saffari52:03

       No. I'd rather just be canceled before I did any of that, or, like, you know, deleted off everything, rather-

    5. CWChris Williamson52:10

       Yeah.

    6. SSSara Saffari52:10

       ... than do that.

    7. CWChris Williamson52:12

       Is there ever a temptation to overly sexualize yourself?

    8. SSSara Saffari52:15

       No, but I can totally... For me, there's not. Genuinely, there's not. But I can see the appeal of why there is for women. Your likes have gone to, like... Your likes have plummeted, whatever, shadow banned, whatever you wanna call it. So you're like, "Okay, whatever, I'll put on a swimsuit, turn around, and take a picture by the pool." You know? I could see the appeal-

    9. CWChris Williamson52:32

       Look at that.

    10. SSSara Saffari52:32

        ... bang. The algorithm's back up, bro. Like, we have... We... The likes are back to normal. But, like, I genuinely think, for women, the second you start posting pictures of, you know, your ass, mostly, you know, or, like, a hu- huge cleavage pics, whatever it is, on Instagram, pictures of you in a, you know, nice, covering dress will never perform as well as they did when you're posting your ass or tits.

    11. CWChris Williamson52:59

        So I did a podcast probably about three... probably about three years ago with a female adult actress in the UK, and I was asking her about the typical career progression of girls that go into this industry. And she'd been in it for, like, a decade. She's, like, a... all d-

    12. SSSara Saffari53:18

        Yeah.

    13. CWChris Williamson53:18

        She'd won awards. I don't know if-

    14. SSSara Saffari53:20

        There's awards for that?

    15. CWChris Williamson53:20

        Apparently. I don't know what for.

    16. SSSara Saffari53:22

        I don't know. Did you watch?

    17. CWChris Williamson53:22

        (laughs) I didn't see.

    18. SSSara Saffari53:24

        (laughs)

    19. CWChris Williamson53:24

        I didn't watch either the awards or the content-

    20. SSSara Saffari53:25

        Nice.

    21. CWChris Williamson53:25

        ... that was submitted. I think it was, like, a Sundance film festival it must have been.

    22. SSSara Saffari53:29

        Oh. (laughs)

    23. CWChris Williamson53:29

        Anyway, so I was asking her, and she basically said that there's a hierarchy of, um, intensity to different kinds of porn scenes, so I think it was, like, solo, girl on girl, guy on girl-

    24. SSSara Saffari53:40

        Oh. Okay.

    25. CWChris Williamson53:40

        ... duh-duh-duh-duh-duh, like, all the way down to, like-

    26. SSSara Saffari53:43

        Yeah.

    27. CWChris Williamson53:44

        ... anal, DP, duh-duh-duh. Like, it, it descends deep. Uh-

    28. SSSara Saffari53:48

        (laughs)

    29. CWChris Williamson53:48

        Uh...

    30. SSSara Saffari53:49

        Pun not intended?
11. 1:03:14 – 1:07:51

    What’s Next for Sara?

    1. CWChris Williamson1:03:14

       next for you? What are you doing next after uni? Like, what are you thinking? What- what's in the next six months to a year, what can people expect?

    2. SSSara Saffari1:03:19

       Six months to a year people can expect that maybe I'll post two YouTube videos a week instead of one. No, I'm just gonna consistently keep doing the routine and, like, posting schedule that I have been. And then I've kind of always been the type that, you know, I go, go with the flow in that aspect and kinda hope that luck plays out and I maybe meet someone that we can be mutually beneficial with. That's mostly the reason I even decided to go MBA route, was that maybe one of the companies that I'm working with now or that I encounter in the future, you know, down the line, they'll want me on the back end rather-

    3. CWChris Williamson1:03:57

       Influencer and board member.

    4. SSSara Saffari1:03:58

       Yes. Maybe. And I could do the back end and the forefront, you know?

    5. CWChris Williamson1:04:04

       That's cool. No plans to release a training plan, a diet plan, an e-book, a portal, platform?

    6. SSSara Saffari1:04:11

       No, 'cause I think, like, whatever works for me isn't gonna work for someone else. I think I am blessed with really good genetics 'cause I don't track macros, I don't, um, you know, count calories or whatever. I just, you know, I... It took me a while, but I intuitively eat. I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink any of my calories. Um, but nothing I can't-

    7. CWChris Williamson1:04:36

       It seems like you're doing pretty well without that at the moment.

    8. SSSara Saffari1:04:38

       Yeah. I don't think, I don't wanna... Right now it's something that's fun for me. I think the second I start counting and tracking, it'll become toxic and I'll...

    9. CWChris Williamson1:04:46

       You gotta be careful. We had this conversation a lot over the last week. If you really, really enjoy doing something, you have to protect your passion. And if you don't, doing the work at the rate that you're doing it at the moment is just gonna get progressively harder-

    10. SSSara Saffari1:05:00

        Yeah.

    11. CWChris Williamson1:05:00

        ... over time. And it's, that's fine, but it will change the pursuit from being something that's, "Fuck, like, yeah, today's a rest day and filming day and I'm fired up to do some skits," to, "Oh my God, today's rest day and I still have to work."

    12. SSSara Saffari1:05:17

        Yeah.

    13. CWChris Williamson1:05:17

        And that framing is an awful lot. And it's like, okay, do you wanna turn this into a labor or do you wanna keep loving it?

    14. SSSara Saffari1:05:23

        Yeah.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:05:23

        And it's not that you can't do both, but the more that you work and the more that you monetize, the more hard it's gonna become, I think.

    16. SSSara Saffari1:05:29

        Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

    17. CWChris Williamson1:05:31

        Fuck yeah.

    18. SSSara Saffari1:05:31

        What about you?

    19. CWChris Williamson1:05:31

        Sarah Saffari.

    20. SSSara Saffari1:05:32

        Wait, what's next for you?

    21. CWChris Williamson1:05:34

        So I've done-

    22. SSSara Saffari1:05:35

        Who, who are you trying to have on this podcast? A few that you have your eye on.

    23. CWChris Williamson1:05:39

        A few that I've got my eye on. So, uh, have you seen The School of Life YouTube channel? So it's a big, uh, big YouTube channel that did psychology and philosophy. It's got about five, six mill subs.

    24. SSSara Saffari1:05:53

        Wow.

    25. CWChris Williamson1:05:53

        It's really big.

    26. SSSara Saffari1:05:54

        Yeah.

    27. CWChris Williamson1:05:54

        It's great. Um, and it's run by this dude called Alain de Botton. Uh, oh, it's not run by him, he's like the creator of it, now he's got this huge, huge, huge team. And, uh, he was real formative for me. So if I had a, a Mount Rushmore of podcast influences on my awakening-

    28. SSSara Saffari1:06:09

        Yeah.

    29. CWChris Williamson1:06:09

        Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and Alain. Uh, Jordan has been on twice and is coming back on, Sam has been on a couple of weeks ago, I've been on Rogan's, but I've got this elusive fourth guy down here and I really, really want to bring him on and he's got a new book coming out, so I'm working super, super hard to try and get him. He's in the UK, but that's fine because I can fly back to the UK. So I got that. We've got a week in the UK with some massive, massive UK, uh, guests that I can't wait to film with, then I'm coming back. I've already said to people that Jordan Peterson will be coming back on at some point this year, so that's gonna be very interesting. Got lots to talk about. Couple of returning guests, couple of new ones. But this weekend's been great. You know, I did this Alex Hormozi yesterday, Phil Heath and Rich Roll. This morning, Stan Efferding. You today. Tomorrow, Eric Weinstein, who is like this super genius MD at Thiel Capital, very interesting dude. Uh, so it's good, like things are happening and, and it really does feel like we've got the world at our feet at the moment and kind of holding on for dear life a little bit.

    30. SSSara Saffari1:07:18

        No, that's amazing. You're gonna, you're gonna kill it.

Episode duration: 1:07:51