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The Truth About Your Personality | Dr Benjamin Hardy | Modern Wisdom Podcast 185

Dr Benjamin Hardy is an organisational psychologist and an author. Do you believe that your personality is permanent? Innate & inbuilt? Dr Hardy disagrees. Expect to learn why Myers-Briggs & other personality tests are destructive & as inaccurate as horoscopes, how to reframe your past narratives, why you can overcome traumas, how to become the scribe of your own identity narrative and much more... Sponsor: Check out everything I use from The Protein Works at https://www.theproteinworks.com/modernwisdom/ (35% off everything with the code MODERN35) Extra Stuff: Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ Buy Personality Isn't Permanent - https://bit.ly/benMW Check out Ben's website - https://benjaminhardy.com/ Daniel Gilbert's Ted Talk - https://youtu.be/XNbaR54Gpj4 #personality #psychology #identitychange - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Benjamin HardyguestChris Williamsonhost
Jun 18, 202056mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 2:16

    Personality as a choice: defining it and challenging the “hardwired” myth

    Hardy defines personality as consistent attitudes and behaviors, then immediately challenges the common belief that it’s innate and unchangeable. He frames the book’s core claim: personality evolves over time and can be deliberately shaped rather than merely discovered by looking backward.

    • Personality = consistent patterns of behavior and attitude in situations
    • Myth: personality is fixed/innate and can’t change
    • Myth: you “discover” yourself primarily by analyzing your past
    • Core premise: personality naturally changes and can be designed intentionally
  2. 2:16 – 4:24

    Identity vs. personality: why self-concept drives behavior

    Hardy draws a sharp distinction between identity (self-definition) and personality (how you show up). He argues identity is more powerful because it shapes choices and behaviors, which accumulate into personality over time.

    • Identity = self-concept; personality = consistent behavior in the world
    • Identity statements (e.g., “I’m an introvert”) can become self-fulfilling
    • People often describe themselves with present/past-based stories, not future aims
    • Fixation on identity narrows behavior and reinforces comfort zones
  3. 4:24 – 7:07

    Comfort zones, negative experiences, and why adults stop learning like kids

    They explore how people overweight negative past events and turn them into permanent self-labels (e.g., ‘bad at math’). Hardy connects personality to comfort-zone behavior and contrasts adult avoidance with children’s immersive learning (using his twins’ swimming lessons).

    • Single negative events can crystallize into identity limits
    • Avoidance reinforces “this is just who I am” loops
    • Comfort zone and personality often mirror each other (habitual patterns)
    • Adults avoid emotionally intense learning; kids adapt rapidly through immersion
  4. 7:07 – 9:02

    The ‘end of history illusion’: mispredicting your future self

    Hardy cites Daniel Gilbert’s work showing people know they’ve changed in the past but assume they won’t change much going forward. This bias leads to present-day decisions that future selves may regret, underscoring the need to actively imagine and account for future change.

    • Most people say: “I’m not who I was 10 years ago,” but “I’ll be the same in 10 years”
    • End of history illusion: works-in-progress who think they’re finished
    • Defaulting to memory is easier than imagining the future
    • Present decisions often ignore future-self preferences and consequences
  5. 9:02 – 12:09

    Future-self thinking and better decisions: Herschfield + deliberate practice

    Hardy explains research suggesting that making the future self vivid improves long-term decision-making. He ties this to deliberate practice: without a clear goal/future identity, effort becomes unfocused and learning is less effective.

    • View your future self as a different person with different needs
    • Ask: “What would future-me prefer?” to override short-term impulses
    • Deliberate practice requires specific goals; hours alone don’t produce mastery
    • Clarity about future circumstances shapes the process and skill-building path
  6. 12:09 – 13:06

    Why most people want personality change (and what they mean by it)

    Chris brings up a striking statistic about dissatisfaction with personality; Hardy reframes it as normal self-improvement desires. They list common traits people want to develop—patience, organization, confidence—setting up practical change tools later.

    • “Dissatisfied with personality” often means wanting growth, not self-rejection
    • Common targets: patience, empathy, charisma, organization, boldness
    • Self-improvement is widespread and not necessarily ‘malignant’
    • Change is framed as incremental trait development
  7. 13:06 – 16:33

    The ‘true you,’ masks, and personality as context-dependent performance

    They explore whether changing personality is like altering something fundamental (the ‘nose job’ analogy). Hardy argues personality is surface-level and contextual—more like roles or masks—while the deeper ‘true you’ relates to attention, choice, and consciousness.

    • Personality can be shaped by identity, situation, and trauma (Gabor Maté quote)
    • ‘True you’ is a deeper existential layer tied to choice and attention
    • Personality (persona) is role-based and shifts across contexts
    • You’re not “pretending,” but adapting behavior to situation demands
  8. 16:33 – 21:16

    Personality tests: Big Five vs. type-based tests (MBTI/Enneagram/DISC)

    Chris shares a dating story involving a Big Five test; Hardy acknowledges Big Five as more scientific because it uses continua/percentiles. He argues type-based tests are oversimplified, create rigid identities, and misrepresent how personality actually works.

    • Big Five measures traits on scales rather than assigning fixed ‘types’
    • Type-based tests provide identity labels that people defend and confirm
    • Personality is contextual and changes across situations and time
    • Hardy calls type tests ‘identity tests’ more than personality tests
  9. 21:16 – 29:55

    Horoscopes, rigidity, and the need for psychological flexibility

    The conversation broadens to horoscopes as another form of categorical labeling. Hardy links reliance on rigid categories to psychological rigidity (fixed mindset), contrasting it with flexibility—tolerating emotions and adapting to change as a basis for confidence.

    • Horoscope-style categorization parallels type-test overreach
    • Rigid ‘I can’t be with X type’ thinking reflects psychological rigidity
    • Psychological flexibility = handling emotions and adapting to new situations
    • Confidence is framed as the ability to handle change and stress
  10. 29:55 – 32:27

    Better than tests: meditation, journaling, and emotional regulation in practice

    Chris describes using meditation and journaling to understand strengths and weaknesses; Hardy endorses these as superior to tests. He illustrates journaling as emotional regulation using a story about his eight-year-old son processing conflict and sadness.

    • Meditation + journaling cultivate self-awareness and regulation
    • Writing converts vague emotion into clear, workable information
    • Meaning-making is malleable; you can choose interpretations of events
    • Parenting example: journaling helps children process and repair situations
  11. 32:27 – 38:19

    Viktor Frankl on meaning, hope, and turning emotion into language

    Hardy shares key Frankl insights: suffering decreases when emotions are given clear form, and present resilience depends on future meaning. He connects this to future-self research—without a compelling future, present decision-making deteriorates.

    • “Emotion ceases to be suffering when you give it a clear picture”
    • Language/story creates distance and clarity for response selection
    • Hope and purpose make present hardship bearable
    • Future orientation is necessary for healthy present functioning
  12. 38:19 – 41:23

    From fixed to growth: holding identity loosely + trusted psychology sources

    Hardy emphasizes that current identity should be held lightly to avoid being defined by ‘now.’ They discuss Carol Dweck’s legitimacy (growth vs. fixed mindset) and share additional researchers/books that support a flexible, change-oriented view of self.

    • Hold current identity loosely; avoid over-labeling
    • Growth mindset: ‘not yet’ vs fixed mindset: ‘this is who I am’
    • Carol Dweck’s work endorsed as high-quality psychology
    • Suggested authors: Ellen Langer, Daniel Gilbert, Brent Slife; discussion of time books
  13. 41:23 – 48:12

    Practical steps (1): reframe the past by changing meaning and gaining perspective

    Hardy lays out a concrete change process beginning with reframing the past. He explains that memory is interpretive, not purely objective, and gives examples from childhood trauma and a recent failed talk—showing how journaling, truth-telling, and outside perspectives neutralize emotion and expand options.

    • The past is ‘meaning’ and story; interpretations can be updated
    • Reframing childhood narratives with adult context and empathy
    • Emotional regulation: move from initial reaction to chosen response
    • Tools: journaling, curiosity, seeking alternative perspectives, candid conversations
  14. 48:12 – 56:15

    Practical steps (2): decide your future self, align identity narrative, and commit via behavior + investment

    Hardy shifts to future-self design: you don’t discover who you’ll be—you decide. He recommends a 2–3 year horizon, repeatedly journaling to clarify goals, then publicly articulating them, changing behavior to match, shaping environment, and using financial investment to escalate commitment.

    • Future self is a decision, not a discovery
    • Clarify desired life in 2–3 years (relationships, health, work, daily focus)
    • Tell others your goals to strengthen identity narrative and self-signaling
    • Invest money/time to create commitment (sunk cost/escalation of commitment)

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