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The West Is Under Attack By Woke Culture - Konstantin Kisin

Konstantin Kisin is a podcaster and an author. The West has had a bad run over the last few years with accusations, every ism and obia under the sun. Having grown up in the Soviet Union however, Konstantin has a unique perspective on just how bad a nation can be and has some home truths to remind everyone of. Expect to learn whether we should be bothered that Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin are banned from Twitter, why the term Political Correctness has some very communist roots, how a Russian disinformation agent predicted everything we're seeing in 2022, whether we've passed peak woke, if both-sidesism is a grift and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 2 weeks Free Access to the State App at https://bit.ly/statewisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 20% discount on the highest quality CBD Products from Pure Sport at https://bit.ly/cbdwisdom (use code: MW20) Extra Stuff: Buy An Immigrant's Love Letter To The West - https://amzn.to/3yJZEFf Follow Konstantin on Twitter - https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #russia #west #freedom - 00:00 Intro 00:21 Jordan Peterson & Dave Rubin Banned From Twitter 06:34 How Konstantin’s New Book Compares with Douglas Murray’s 12:18 Moving to the UK from the Soviet Union 16:39 Konstantin’s Views on Immigration 20:59 How the Media Encourages Extreme Views 29:36 Are We Past Woke? 33:52 Is the UK Racist? 44:07 The West is Demonstrating Weakness 48:49 Who is Yuri Bezmenov? 59:39 Where To Find Konstantin - Join the Modern Wisdom Community on Locals - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Konstantin KisinguestChris Williamsonhost
Jul 14, 20221h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:15

    Twitter suspensions, ‘deadnaming,’ and the new struggle sessions

    Konstantin reacts to Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin’s Twitter suspensions, arguing that stating biographical facts is now treated as a punishable offense. He likens forced deletions and admissions of wrongdoing to Soviet-style public confessions and warns about the normalization of “words are violence.”

    • Peterson/Rubin suspensions framed as punishment for stating ‘historical fact’
    • Suspension mechanics: delete the tweet + acknowledge wrongdoing (a ‘struggle session’)
    • ‘Deadnaming’ and expansive harm rules as justification for censorship
    • ‘Words are violence’ logic leads to regulating speech as if it’s physical harm
    • Concern that even conservatives adopt the same speech-violence framing
  2. 1:15 – 5:35

    Why Twitter still matters: the town square and real-world downstream effects

    Chris and Konstantin debate whether Twitter remains central to public discourse. Konstantin argues that elite discourse shapes behavior and rules elsewhere, spilling into comedy clubs, institutions, and everyday social dynamics.

    • Twitter as a small-user but high-influence ‘public square’
    • Online norms and enforcement ‘leak’ into broader culture
    • Comedy example: shift from playful heckling to deplatforming demands
    • Tweets now become news, creating a recursive media cycle
    • Platform censorship legitimizes real-world exclusion and no-platforming
  3. 5:35 – 6:34

    Origins of political correctness: party-line enforcement, not politeness

    Konstantin traces political correctness to Soviet and Maoist usage, describing it as a tool to police speech and behavior in service of the ruling ideology. He argues the West is importing tactics with known consequences.

    • PC framed as enforcing the Communist Party line
    • ‘Factually correct but inconvenient’ becomes ‘politically incorrect’
    • Historical parallels to public confession rituals
    • PC’s purpose contrasted with kindness/respectfulness
    • Warning that these ideas are not new and have predictable outcomes
  4. 6:34 – 12:18

    Why Kisin and Douglas Murray converge: context, gratitude, and the Anglosphere

    Konstantin compares his perspective with Douglas Murray’s, emphasizing how travel, historical literacy, and exposure to non-Western systems reveal how unusual Western liberal societies are. His immigrant background makes the costs of ideological destruction more visible.

    • Shared alarm at denigration of Western achievements
    • ‘Context’ as missing ingredient for many Western-born observers
    • Family history of Soviet repression (gulag, Holodomor, exile) as lived reference
    • Book framing: love letter to the West/Anglosphere while still critiquing flaws
    • Anglosphere as particularly infected by the current ideology
  5. 12:18 – 15:07

    Growing up amid the Soviet collapse: instability, opportunity, and family upheaval

    Konstantin recounts childhood in the late Soviet Union and the turbulent 1990s after its collapse. He describes his father’s rapid rise in business and government, followed by a forced flight under a false identity.

    • Early schooling shaped by fear of saying the wrong thing publicly
    • Post-collapse chaos: inflation, violence/terrorism, social instability
    • Father’s entrepreneurial ascent culminating in major banking power
    • Political role under Yeltsin, then forced escape under false identity
    • Family trajectory shows volatility of regimes and institutions
  6. 15:07 – 16:40

    Arriving in the UK: cultural shock, bullying, and learning the meaning of free speech

    He describes the harsh adjustment to British boarding school, including teasing about his accent and appearance. The experience helped him internalize the principle that others can say unpleasant things in a free country—and that this freedom is worth valuing.

    • Difficult adaptation: language, culture, and social hierarchy
    • Bicultural/bilingual identity as a long-term advantage
    • Contrast between Armenia/Russia and the UK as ‘different worlds’
    • Bullying/banter reframed as part of living in a free society
    • Free speech as personally learned, not just abstract theory
  7. 16:40 – 20:59

    Immigration: democratic consent, selective entry, and humane refugee pragmatism

    Konstantin lays out a moderated pro-immigration position: modest, democratically chosen levels with clear legal pathways and merit-based selection. He rejects both open-borders idealism and punitive cruelty toward refugees, advocating practical regional support.

    • ‘Modest’ immigration can add vibrancy if selected well
    • Australia-style skills/legal compliance model as an example
    • Illegal entry should have no pathway, but refugees deserve humane handling
    • Prefer funding effective regional refugee support near conflict zones
    • Core concern: policy diverging from public democratic preferences
  8. 20:59 – 25:02

    Media incentives and online extremism: culture war as ‘sneering at the other side’s lunatics’

    Chris argues the attention economy elevates outlandish voices, turning ordinary users into viral symbols and making tweets into headlines. Konstantin agrees and warns that this dynamic fuels backlash and polarizes politics away from pragmatic moderation.

    • Perverse incentives: extreme takes outperform nuanced positions
    • Virality turns random posts into national narratives
    • ‘Moderates should police their own side’ to prevent caricature representation
    • Konstantin’s shift toward centrism via long-form conversations
    • Fear that backlash will overshoot and empower worse extremes
  9. 25:02 – 29:34

    Both-sides-ism, ideology, and ‘when to speed up or brake’ in politics

    They discuss accusations that centrism is a grift; Konstantin argues it’s the least rewarding stance because it draws fire from both camps. He frames conservatism/progressivism as context-dependent tools—accelerating or slowing change depending on conditions—and rejects a new ‘secular religion’ dogma.

    • Centrism as costly: ‘you get hated by both sides’
    • Fixed ideology compared to always speeding up or always braking while driving
    • Alignment with conservatives now mainly as a reaction to runaway change
    • Rejects revivalist religious-right politics while opposing modern ideological dogma
    • Mentions abortion stance as an example of non-tribal, uncomfortable views
  10. 29:34 – 33:49

    Peak woke? Slowing momentum, institutional lag, and post-2020 volatility

    Chris asks whether society has passed ‘peak woke’ (Andrew Sullivan’s thesis). Konstantin argues that even if elite belief softens, institutional and educational changes continue; he points to COVID-era unity turning rapidly into explosive division as a caution against confident predictions.

    • Peak woke framed around June 2020 vs ongoing implementation today
    • Key test: not what leaders believe, but what they allow to occur
    • Institutional change plays out over decades; public sentiment moves faster
    • COVID as example: brief unity, then rapid societal rupture
    • Pendulum may be slowing, but still moving in the wrong direction
  11. 33:49 – 39:10

    Is the UK racist? Personal experiences, scale, and ‘concept creep’

    Konstantin shares instances of overt racism but argues they represent a small, socially condemned minority rather than a ‘racist country.’ He and Chris discuss how rising expectations and expanded definitions can create a misleading narrative of worsening racism despite historical progress.

    • Anecdote: told to ‘go back’ while being mislabeled ethnically
    • Racists as ‘tiny minority’ vs broad societal tolerance in Britain
    • West as historically best place to live as a minority (comparative claim)
    • Tocqueville Paradox: expectations rise with living standards
    • Concept creep + incentive structures expand the definition of racism
  12. 39:10 – 44:56

    DEI as a ‘racket’: utopian progressivism, new discrimination, and backlash risk

    Konstantin argues diversity/inclusion has shifted from moral cause to institutionalized industry that benefits administrators more than minorities. He warns that preferential treatment and explicit anti-majority attitudes generate resentment and could trigger dangerous political backlash.

    • Eric Hoffer quote: movement → business → racket applied to DEI
    • Critique: trainings may increase antagonism rather than reduce prejudice
    • Examples of preference systems (education admissions, media hiring norms)
    • Anecdote: presenter glad there were ‘no white people’ on a panel
    • Risk: making majority feel second-class fuels destabilizing resentment
  13. 44:56 – 48:48

    Geopolitics and cultural weakness: distraction invites challengers

    Chris and Konstantin zoom out to argue that internal obsession and division signal weakness to adversaries. Konstantin claims cultural distraction and elite narratives affect leadership outcomes and deterrence, tying domestic ideology to international aggression and strategic opportunism.

    • ‘Barbarians at the gate’ isn’t just arrival—weakness is an invitation
    • Claim: Western distraction contributed to conditions enabling Ukraine invasion
    • Argument linking culture-war politics to leadership selection (Trump/Biden)
    • China/Russia monitor Western discourse more than vice versa
    • Ukraine response may delay Taiwan timelines, but the threat remains
  14. 48:48 – 56:23

    Yuri Bezmenov and the playbook of demoralization, division, and information warfare

    Konstantin explains Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov’s relevance: destabilizing a society by funding divisive movements, eroding cultural loyalty, and weakening institutions. They discuss modern equivalents—bots, cyber influence, and information flooding—plus the need to rebuild conversation over debate.

    • Bezmenov: KGB defector; ‘Love Letter to America’ inspires Kisin’s title
    • Destabilization strategy: exploit existing fault lines, intensify conflict
    • Modern tools: bots, cyber warfare, narrative manipulation by Russia/China
    • Identity politics as weakening national cohesion and willingness to defend society
    • Conversation (shared common good) vs debate (point scoring) as antidote
  15. 56:23 – 1:00:44

    Rebuilding Western strength: optimism, institutional repair, and where to find Kisin

    Konstantin argues the West needn’t fear adversaries if it restores cultural confidence, democratic responsiveness, and institutional health. He ends with practical steps—education and institutional reform—and shares where audiences can follow his work and buy his book.

    • Threat focus: not enemies’ strength, but our internal cohesion and confidence
    • ‘Roman legion’ metaphor: strong institutions deter ‘barbarians’
    • Ukraine as wake-up call for energy/security and misplaced priorities
    • Need to elevate moderate voices and reverse harmful institutional changes
    • Plugs: social handles and ‘An Immigrant’s Love Letter to the West’

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