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We’re Addicted to Watching Other People Live - Tom Segura (4K)

Tom Segura is a comedian, podcaster, and actor. These days, making sense of the world is harder than ever. From billionaires reshaping governments to debates over whether modern car chassis can support the average obese person. There’s no shortage of absurdities. Luckily, Tom has plenty to say about them. Expect to learn why Gen Z is more likely to skip the gym and use Ozempic instead, if Tom can and will reset his Instagram algorithm, why Gen Z is more likely to drink less and smoke more, why the younger generation is sexless than most, Tom’s thoughts on Elon’s current rampage through government bureaucracy, Tom’s recent obsession with True Crime documentaries, why being competent is a curse and much more… - 00:00 Tom’s Health & Fitness Journey 07:37 The Rise of Ozempic 14:58 Was the Fat Acceptance Movement a Scam? 24:25 How to Reset Your Instagram Algorithm 33:02 The Death of Hardcore Drink Culture 39:39 Why Young People Are Having Sex Less 48:21 Biden Sending Condoms to Gaza 51:45 Are We Near the End of the World? 1:00:02 Learning to Communicate Better 1:14:37 Tom’s Friend Who Beat Cancer 1:22:37 The Midwit Meme 1:36:09 How to Get Out of Your Head 1:45:03 Why Tom Won’t Watch Bad Comedians 1:49:58 Knowing You Deserve More 1:52:20 Tom’s Recent Obsession With True Crime 2:11:40 What’s Next for Tom? - Get a 20% discount on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get a 20% discount on Nomatic’s amazing luggage at https://nomatic.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D, and more from AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/modernwisdom - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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  1. 0:00 – 7:37

    Tom’s Health & Fitness Journey

    1. CW

      What is going on with the health and fitness stuff? It seems like... I looked at some photos of you from 10 years ago, and you're like-

    2. TS

      Ugh.

    3. CW

      ... half the size.

    4. TS

      (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, it'd be, I just, you know, you just get tired (laughs) of everything, so you go, "I'm just gonna... I'd like to be around and feel better," so you just, you know... It's, it's like, it's a, it's a, it's an always happening thing. It's, uh, I don't feel like it's a, uh, thing that you just address once and you're done with it. It's, it's something that you are just thinking about, I think, all the time.

    5. CW

      Mm.

    6. TS

      You know what I mean?

    7. CW

      But is this sort of gone are the days where you can fully live out the degenerate smoking-

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. CW

      ... creator lifestyle, because-

    10. TS

      I did that. I already did it.

    11. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TS

      Yeah. I mean, it's... You know when you're really in it, there's a, there's a kind of a freedom to being like, "I'm a fucking gross (laughs) sack of shit," and you just don't care, and you just eat and bed, and smoke and... I mean, I might, I used to go to bed every, like at 3:00 in the morning almost every day, and I would sleep until, I don't know, noon. Like that was normal. I did that for years. And there's like a freedom in being like, "Yeah, I don't care. I don't give a shit." But I do think it has... Well, it, it literally does have an expiration date. I don't think it does. Like you will die (laughs) quicker if you do it that way. So I think you kinda just go like, "Uh, I actually don't feel, physically feel so great after a while." I think in your head, too, like you psychologically are just kind of like, uh, "There's, there's another way of doing this," um, that... Because part of you kinda... I was once somebody who like, I would admire those comedians that were kind of a mess.

    13. CW

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    14. TS

      So you, you, know what I mean? Like you go like, "I need to be like this."

    15. CW

      But it doesn't feel so contrived, right?

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. CW

      "Oh, this is their purest artistic expression." Look.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. CW

      "They're onstage being themselves. They're a sack of shit being themselves."

    20. TS

      Yeah. And- and I thought that was like... That's kinda like the way... That's when I started, I was like, I leaned into it more. I remember like one of my friends came to one of my early shows once, and he was like, "Hey man, that, that T-shirt has a hole in it." And I was like, "I know." And he was like, "You wanna wear that onstage? Like people are watching you. You don't, don't you think they wanna see like somebody that's presentable?" And I was like, "No, no, like this is, this is, this is the presentation." And he's like, "That you have holes in your shirt?" (laughs) And I kinda was like... I was sure of it, I was like, "Yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing. I'm a, I'm s- I'm..." It wasn't even, I didn't feel like I was putting on an act. I was like-

    21. CW

      Mm.

    22. TS

      ... "Yeah, I'm, this is what I would wear-"

    23. CW

      As soon as it's-

    24. TS

      "... around the house."

    25. CW

      ... it's in a way, uh, making effort is sort of detracting from you being you.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. CW

      Yeah.

    28. TS

      But I do think that it's... Look, it's all part of like... And this is why I hate telling, uh, comed- young comedians like how to, how to do it. Like you know when they go, "Give 'em advice," I'm like, "I really don't like giving advice to young com- other than do it a lot." Like that's the advice. But as far as like, "Don't do this," I go, "That's not how to do it." Like what, the way to do it is to do things you think you're supposed to do, and then you figure out how to actually do it.

    29. CW

      Whether or not you're supposed to do them.

    30. TS

      Yeah. If I tell you, "Don't do, make sure you don't do this," that might keep you from encountering something that actually really sparks something in you. You know what I mean?

  2. 7:37 – 14:58

    The Rise of Ozempic

    1. TS

      that you, all your insecurities, all the problems you encounter, all the things that you think about that you think only you're thinking about, man, that's everybody. Like, it's, you really are in this thing with eight billion other people, and (laughs) all the things that you think are unique to you, they're really not. They're not.

    2. CW

      Yeah, and the veils fall from your eyes. Uh, on the weight loss thing, I saw a study that said 37% of Gen Z plan on skipping the gym and just using Ozempic instead.

    3. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    4. CW

      So, 30% of Gen Z women are intending to use GLP-1 drugs to reach their weight loss goals compared to 20% of men, and on average women are setting more ambitious weight loss targets, aiming to shed 23 pounds in 2025, and men are looking to lose 19.

    5. TS

      Huh. Well, I mean, part of that is probably that those women have, like, uh, a tougher time in, like, society with what they think they need to look like.

    6. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TS

      I mean, you know, even though it affects both genders, but, yeah, I, I think that's, like, a temporary solution to this. I mean, they're en- they're gonna end up... The, the real problem if you read some studies about those GLP-1s is that people lose muscle mass, and they're losing it at at a much higher rate than they think they are. Sometimes they're losing 66 perce- in a 10-pound loss, they're losing 66% of that is lean mass, which is not what you want. Like, the one thing you want for health and longevity and strength and all that is to retain lean mass, so doing it the slower way with, like, good nutrition and good workout plan is what you want. I mean, but also, are you surprised? Like, we're, everybody wants a quicker solution to something, so yeah. Um, I think we're gonna have a bunch of people with gaunt faces and, uh, and, and lacking muscle, uh, over the next decade. It's gonna be, (clears throat) a- a- a new issue.

    8. CW

      I'll tell you what's been interesting is I've trained at Onnit maybe once a week, something like that.

    9. TS

      Yeah.

    10. CW

      And for the last three months, four months, Tuesday morning, I've seen Alex Jones in there doing bear crawls, he's running around outside, he's flipping tires over, he's doing this stuff. And then-

    11. TS

      Alex Jones? (laughs)

    12. CW

      Yeah. And then I saw the, I, but I, I hadn't, I didn't know whether I hadn't seen him up close or something-

    13. TS

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      ... and then I saw this famous, like, Ozempic Jones before and after thing, and he's lost a ton of weight.

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. CW

      And there's a bit of me, a lot, a lot of people on the internet were like, "Ozempic's a hell of a drug."

    17. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    18. CW

      And I go, "I get that, but I've seen him working really, really hard-"

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. CW

      "... in Onnit Gym," and, uh, there's kind of now, if you lose weight through hard work, people are just going to say, "Dude, Ozempic's a hell of a drug, eh?"

    21. TS

      I know, yeah, yeah.

    22. CW

      And you go, what, "I might as well use Ozem-" There's, like, some weird Russian roulette undeniable situation there.

    23. TS

      This is the same reason, I think, why there's all these guys, especially, uh, stars who the, the one thing they won't talk about is that they're all juicing, you know? It's like this universal thing in Hollywood, and everyone sees their, uh, if the, if you see a photo or a video, everyone, the, the comments are all like, "It must be nice with this needle."

    24. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    25. TS

      And it's like, yeah, dude, if you just injected that, you're not gonna look like him.

    26. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    27. TS

      Like, that guy still busts his ass training to be just beyond jacked, right? Like, so, but it's like, uh, in other words, people don't wanna, they think that these things are just a quick solution. You still have to work at it. Uh, whether you're going for the, the juice head that wants to be, like, super jacked or the person who's just trying to lose weight, if you're just gonna do the injects and nothing else, you're gonna have less than him-

    28. CW

      A body appropriately.

    29. TS

      Yeah, exactly. Your results are not gonna be impressive, but, I mean, that's great that he's-

    30. CW

      Dude she looks-

  3. 14:58 – 24:25

    Was the Fat Acceptance Movement a Scam?

    1. CW

      point, uh, I think ... Was it the Golden Globes that happened recently? What was the award show-

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. CW

      ... that happened recently?

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. CW

      Uh, such an awesome take from someone that writes for The Free Press, and they said, uh, "Ozempic and the, uh, body condition of most of the people at the Golden Globes shows that the fat acceptance movement was all a scam."

    6. TS

      Ah, it's f- I fucking-

    7. CW

      So fucking true.

    8. TS

      I hate the fat acceptance movement.

    9. CW

      The m- the moment that you had an easy route out of being overweight-

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. CW

      ... body positivity went out of the window.

    12. TS

      That's so true, because they're such hypocrites. They're such pieces of shit. And this whole thing has always enraged me, more than anything, I think. I think because of the fact that I've struggled with it, and I had to deal with the fact that I hated the way I felt or looked or, you know, you hate that your genetics are the way they ... Or whatever it is. But I also, uh, I also think part of it's just being a guy, and that, like, guys talk to each other differently. Like, uh, you know, I played sports, and you just get used to someone being like, "Okay, fat ass," and you're just like, "Fuck you." You know? That's just, like, the way d- dudes talk to each other. And this whole idea that, like, one of my friends is going to be like, "I actually think you, you look really good at any weight," it's like, "Fuck off."

    13. CW

      (laughs)

    14. TS

      Like, that's not true. And that's what people started to do. Like, I remember this one post where it was, like, Adele, and they showed her, like, at her heaviest-

    15. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    16. TS

      ... and, and then she'd lost a bunch of weight. I don't know how she lost the weight, but she lost a bunch of weight. I think she looked-

    17. CW

      I think she was pre-Ozempic as well.

    18. TS

      I think it was too, and she looked great, and it was just filled ... Everything was just filled with, "I think she looks great in both." And it's like, "No. Don't ... Why are you saying that? That's not true." Like, what ... She looks great now. She put in the work-

    19. CW

      Yeah.

    20. TS

      ... and she obviously ate a certain way and trained, and she l- and now she looks great. Like, you can say that, like, "Yeah, no, yeah, she wasn't ugly before," but th- no, both look ... Both are wonderful. It's like, this is just non-

    21. CW

      Beauty at any size.

    22. TS

      This is just nonsense.

    23. CW

      It's weird with what people are doing, especially with the fat acceptance, body positivity thing. Like, you don't want to fucking lambast or castigate or be mean to people that are overweight and that are trying-

    24. TS

      No.

    25. CW

      ... but also, removing any sort of judgment on what is better or worse for you just, uh, that's bad for them.

    26. TS

      It is.

    27. CW

      But, yeah, there's, there's this idea from Isaiah Berlin called the Inner Citadel, and it's basically if you can't get what you want, you have to teach yourself to want what you can get.

    28. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    29. CW

      So you sort of retreat into this, "So, um, I struggle to make monogamous relationships work. Therefore, monogamy is a flawed system, and everyone should be polyamorous."

    30. TS

      Right.

  4. 24:25 – 33:02

    How to Reset Your Instagram Algorithm

    1. TS

      it.

    2. CW

      Did you see that you can reset your Instagram algorithm now? They just released this-

    3. TS

      No.

    4. CW

      ... this week. So you can completely wipe your Instagram algorithm and start basically afresh.

    5. TS

      Wow.

    6. CW

      So-

    7. TS

      That'd probably be healthy for me.

    8. CW

      Well, yeah, you have, uh, death and cars, right? That's it.

    9. TS

      I mean, I got, like, I have the workplace accidents, uh, barbecue recipes-

    10. CW

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      ... Italian women's feet.

    12. CW

      (laughs)

    13. TS

      Watches. Yeah. I probably gotta, I gotta-

    14. CW

      You really need this. This was made for you.

    15. TS

      Yeah. Wow. How do you do it?

    16. CW

      Uh, but, yeah, I wonder if it'll, uh, purge all of the fitness influencers that everybody followed when they first started Instagram-

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. CW

      ... in like 2011.

    19. TS

      'Cause you kind of get th- there's this trick that happens to your mind, too. When you open your algorithm, you just go, "Well, this is what it is."

    20. CW

      This is the world.

    21. TS

      This is it.

    22. CW

      Everybody's looking at Italian women's feet.

    23. TS

      Everybody is, is seeing these. Yeah. (laughs) And you're like, "This is how we're all spending our time." Yeah.

    24. CW

      I, I, I think that'd be fascinating. Reset your Instagram algorithm and-

    25. TS

      How do you ... There's like an actual-

    26. CW

      But yeah, it just, it's in the app. They've r- released it.

    27. TS

      And it's like, "Start over."

    28. CW

      It's, I think it said, um, "Want to start afresh?" Is the page that you go to. You have to accept some terms and conditions. I don't ... It feels a little bit like euthanizing someone.

    29. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    30. CW

      You're like, "Okay, yo, uh, are you sure that you're prepared to get rid of-"

  5. 33:02 – 39:39

    The Death of Hardcore Drink Culture

    1. TS

    2. CW

      I went to this, uh, daytime house music party in Austin on Saturday. It's called Mushroom Cowboy. So it's a-

    3. TS

      Microdose the kind of event?

    4. CW

      I don't know. I think they're kind of hinting at that, but it's in a coffee... Well, it was outside of a coffee shop off Congress.

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. CW

      So, I turn up at half 10. It started at 10:00, and the queue is 250 yards long for coffee.

    7. TS

      What?

    8. CW

      And there must have been 1,500 people there. One guy brought a baguette, was raving with his baguette. There was dogs, you know, ev- pretty, pretty sober looking from the outside. Maybe some people smoking weed, but, uh, I think this is maybe the beginning of us seeing the end of, like, hardcore drink culture. If you've looked at how few of Gen Z now drink-

    9. TS

      Yes.

    10. CW

      ... it's, I think, maybe 20%.

    11. TS

      The interesting thing is like the, the theories on why, 'cause there's obviously th- the, the, th- there, they have to be theories, right?

    12. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TS

      On, on... we don't actually know exactly.

    14. CW

      Exactly.

    15. TS

      Yeah. Uh, one of them is that people... the youth views drinking as like what their parents did, right? So there's like, oh, that's the-

    16. CW

      Naturally uncool. (laughs)

    17. TS

      Yeah. Like, "My fucking lame-ass dad drinks."

    18. CW

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      Like, I don't... I'm not interested. And so, that's one thing. The other part of it is that this, uh, group of people, uh, that are the youth right now are so much more informed on what the negative aspects of drinking and what it can do to you, that they're just like, "Why would I, you know, why would I consume-"

    20. CW

      Subject myself.

    21. TS

      "... yeah, to, to something like that?" And that they've found this whole other... You know, when you want to take the edge off, there's a lot more options, and it's also a lot more accepted today than it was 20 years ago, like the idea that you could microdose or do edibles or smoke or, you know what I mean? And then there's like all the, you know, ketamine and everything is like, ah, I have a... I have different things that I do when I want to have a recreational good time.

    22. CW

      Mm.

    23. TS

      Um, and yeah, but it's, it's undeniable that it's, it's definitely way down.

    24. CW

      There's more daily users in the US of weed now than there are of alcohol.

    25. TS

      Is that for real?

    26. CW

      Overtaken... Or at least that was the, the most recent study that I saw. In the US, there are now more daily or near-daily marijuana users than daily or near-daily alcohol users.

    27. TS

      And that, and that, that thought was just completely... Like if you're a k- a teen right now, you don't understand how preposterous that sounds coming from, like, if you were growing up in the '80s and '90s. Like, you were just like, "That is..." That, th- th- those were like the fringe people almost, you know what I mean? Like yes, it was popular, but it, it was not like... S- a respectable person really wasn't doing that, you know? It was like the arts, it was like hippies, and, and yeah, it was... So I mean, people thought of it as, like, the absolute worst thing that could happen. I mean, people from like my d- dad's generation likened marijuana to heroin. They didn't even see, like, really a difference. They're just like, "You're a junkie." It's like, "But what, for smoking a joint?"

    28. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    29. TS

      And like, yeah, that's the way they viewed it. So, the fact that it's that accepted now, it's, it's mind-blowing to me.

    30. CW

      I wonder if some of it is that drinking in the house on your own s- s- feels pretty fucking bad.

  6. 39:39 – 48:21

    Why Young People Are Having Sex Less

    1. CW

      study that just came out recently about rates of sexlessness.

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. CW

      So this has sort of been talked about for ages, and there was this big study in 2018 that looked really scary and then it kind of got reversed in the GSS data, then there's this new one. Rates of sexlessness are climbing among adults age 22 to 34. Stats plucked from the newly unsheathed National Survey of Family Growth showed 10% of young males and 7% of their female counterparts saying they're still virgins. That's 22 to 34.

    4. TS

      Damn.

    5. CW

      In sum, for all young adults, adult male sexlessness has roughly doubled in all measures over the last 10 years. For young females, it's risen by roughly 50%. So 24% of men 22 to 24 had not had sex in 2022, up from 9% in 2013. And for females, the number was 13%, up from 8%. When asked if they'd had sex in the last three months, 35% of men said no, jumping from 20%, and women didn't far- fare much better with 31%, up from 21. So basically, not going out, not partying, not having sex at like-

    6. TS

      Not socializing.

    7. CW

      ... the highest rates. Yeah, it seems so.

    8. TS

      Yeah. So there's a- there's a real, real pervasive issue of lo- loneliness is a real thing that most people don't think about, if they're not lonely. If they- if they have company, if they have friends, if they have relationships. You don't realize how many people are literally lonely people. Like, they're alone. They don't have that companionship. And you take it for granted, I think, if you're- if it's not something that you have to deal with.

    9. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    10. TS

      You know? And then you- I've... Have you ever met somebody who you realize is lonely in this world? And it- it- it affects you. I- it affected me.

    11. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TS

      Like, where you just go like, "Oh, this person just doesn't have relationships." Like, they're... And there's, you know, there could be a- so many reasons why. But what I'm saying is that it's so many more people than you think about when you're not in that position.

    13. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    14. TS

      It's so many more people. So many people are lonely. It's- I'm not surprised by it. The other thing about, like, the sexual statistics that... I was first, like, uh, surprised when I heard... One of my friends has daughters that are college age and was saying that, you know, he was like, yeah, like, she, all through her adolescence, into high school, everything, just hung out with girls. And she was like, she doesn't... She's never had the experience of, like, g- like, "Oh, guys are aggressive." She was like, "Guys don't talk to us." Like, that's- that's-

    15. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    16. TS

      ... the world that she grew up in is, like... She was going to college and was like... You know, she was like, "Well, hope I don't get raped," but, uh, that's all- that- that's what she thinks of, like, men, is that, like, they're either predators, but she just didn't-

    17. CW

      Predators or necrophiles. Those are the two choices.

    18. TS

      Yeah. She was like, "Yeah," but, like, she di- just didn't have the experience of, like, boys trying-

    19. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    20. TS

      ... to, like, hit on her or just even engage. She was just, like, with girls, and then she was like, "Yeah, guys kind of..." And I- I think there's, like, a lot you can deduce from that, but some of it too is that, like... The, is like, about the guys, not necessarily, but, like, about how those guys have been growing up in the last-... you know, decade plus in a different environment than, like, we grew up in, or that I grew up in-

    21. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    22. TS

      ... right? Which was like, they came up in this... Sure, there's been like a fem- there's a feminism cycle that's always happening, but they also grew up in like Me Too and all this- these things that become report- And like, some of those boys become fearful of interacting with women. They're like, "Well, I don't want to be seen as like this." And they just, what happens is they just wait. "I'll- That'll happen later, like, my interactions with them." They're 15, 16, 17. Now they're in college and they've still yet to interact, so they-

    23. CW

      They have no experience with talking to girls.

    24. TS

      With no experience. So then it makes sense when you hear a statistic like, well, they're 22 or 24 and they're a virgin, it's like, they're still probably like, "Oh, that- that's going to happen later."

    25. CW

      Because Me Too happened as they were about to start speaking to girls.

    26. TS

      I th- I mean, uh, it's- To me, it seems like a pretty logical way to tie things in, right? Like, and these were like the dominant stories. Remember, you couldn't get away from these stories. And so, I don't know to, like, build... I mean, you want some- you want to raise somebody- I have boys- you want to raise them in a healthy environment and like, you know, teach them how to interact with the opposite sex. But like, I think if you're- if you don't have encouragement to like, yeah, try and talk and just be normal, um, and you're just like, "You- you know, you guys are the predators," (laughs) like, it can be probably scary for some of those young kids.

    27. CW

      The huge problem with telling men, "Don't be pushy,"-

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. CW

      ... is that the guys who need to hear it the most aren't going to take heed.

    30. TS

      They're never gonna hear.

  7. 48:21 – 51:45

    Biden Sending Condoms to Gaza

    1. CW

      so funny. Uh, this... I gotta- we gotta talk about this headline. The Department of Governmental Efficiency and this Office of Management finding $50 million was earmarked to spend on condoms in Gaza. Do you see this?

    2. TS

      No. In- Condoms?

    3. CW

      Department of Governmental Efficiency and the Office of Management and Budget found that the Biden administration was about to send $50 million to fund condoms for Gaza. This was yesterday. This is the biggest thing on Twitter at the moment.

    4. TS

      And when... Like, do we know when they were- they were about to do this?So they were just like, "Stop having babies"?

    5. CW

      I don't know why. So there's two main theories for why it might have been.

    6. TS

      Okay.

    7. CW

      First one's money laundering. 50 million, okay? A lot of money laundering. Second one is- (laughs)

    8. TS

      (laughs)

    9. CW

      ... uh, a lot of Palestinians had been attaching IEDs to condoms that were filled with, like, refrigerant gas.

    10. TS

      What?

    11. CW

      IEDs.

    12. TS

      Okay.

    13. CW

      And then releasing incendiary devices in Israeli territory. So it's like the mo- it's, they can float these things over, and then drop IEDs, drop incendiary devices. So those are the two main theories, the one that it's money laundering, and the second one that it's improvised explosive condoms, IEDs.

    14. TS

      Wait, but money laundering-

    15. CW

      No, no, no, no.

    16. TS

      ... benefiting who, though?

    17. CW

      I don't know, I don't know.

    18. TS

      Yeah. Well, it's not... I actually think that's not enough money to be, like, a strong money-laundering...

    19. CW

      50 mil?

    20. TS

      50 million's not that much money. When you talk about-

    21. CW

      Drop it in the ocean?

    22. TS

      Well, when you talk about the grand scale of, like, government munding, f- uh, fundings, and, and, you know, criminal la- like, 50 million is not, like-

    23. CW

      Yeah.

    24. TS

      ... the amount where you go, like, it's not, like, cartel-like-

    25. CW

      Well, maybe they thought they could get it under the radar. I don't know. I don't know how useful that is, but-

    26. TS

      I mean, it seems like... I didn't know about the IED. That, that part is... If they're like, "Look, we can't send you bombs."

    27. CW

      But.

    28. TS

      "We'll send you some condoms, and you guys know, you do your little..."

    29. CW

      Some helium in them.

    30. TS

      "You do your little wizardry that you've been doing."

  8. 51:45 – 1:00:02

    Are We Near the End of the World?

    1. CW

      There was a, th- it's like the two stories that I saw yesterday. The first one was about maybe these condoms are being used for IEDs, and the second one was the International Doomsday Clock Federation saying it's at 89 seconds to midnight. It's like, "The closest that it's ever been, and this is how close humanity is to destruction or self-destruction or something like that." And I'm like, "If we, if it's like a day clock-"

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. CW

      "... or something, or 12-hour clock, and you're 89 second..." Maybe it was at 90 or 91 or something before. Like, "We're so close now, we should just move it back to, like, 6:00 PM and then increase the increments between." 'Cause like, 89 sec- like, what does that mean?

    4. TS

      What does that mean?

    5. CW

      What is 89... I don't know. Well, it's basically that, uh, "This decision reflects concerns over nuclear risk, climate change, and disruptive technologies like AI, indicating a dire warning about humanity's proximity to existential threat. It's the closest point it's ever been to symbolic global catastrophe." It's like, what does 89 seconds mean? What does that even mean?

    6. TS

      I have no idea. I'm completely lost. I microdosed this morning, so I don't know.

    7. CW

      (laughs) Let's fucking go.

    8. TS

      Okay. (laughs)

    9. CW

      Let's fucking go. Uh-

    10. TS

      89 seconds?

    11. CW

      I don't know. I don't know what it means, but I... It seems to me like this, um, period that we're in now has got a def- definitely a lot more unpredictability, largely because of Trump. It's like-

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. CW

      ... "What's actually gonna happen?"

    14. TS

      Do you think that... You know how people are always doing this thing of they're like, "Hey, the end of the world has to be near at this point"? Like, every... Do you think there's ever been a time when people weren't saying that?

    15. CW

      No.

    16. TS

      I think it's always been a thing, right?

    17. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TS

      Where people always are like... And I mean, yeah, Trump is like... (laughs) I mean, he's such a polar, a polarizing figure. I've never seen somebody also, in my opinion, be so transparently themselves and have people react to that person in such extreme different wa... Like, he so clearly is who he is. There is no... He doesn't put up this disguise. And then you have people who s- see it through the lens of like, "This is, like, somebody who's here to save us."

    19. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    20. TS

      And you're like, "What?" And then-

    21. CW

      Or destroy us.

    22. TS

      Yeah. And so, like, every, people either see him as, like, this great person who has best intentions for citizens and country, and then other people who are like, "This is a con man."

    23. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    24. TS

      You know? Um, but I mean, it's just so insane to me that there's both views.

    25. CW

      The same guy.

    26. TS

      It is the same guy.

    27. CW

      Doing the same things.

    28. TS

      Yeah. And it's pretty... I thought it was so clear who he is. Like, he just reads so clearly.

    29. CW

      It's like an... You know the Rorschach test?

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  9. 1:00:02 – 1:14:37

    Learning to Communicate Better

    1. TS

      you learn that you can actually... If you're in your 20s, you can start, you know, I think getting into the practice of, like, you learn that, like, having... 'Cause conversations are a thing that I think really make people scared. Communicating with people about, like, what you want, what you need, uh, like those types of things, it, y- those aren't inherently... You're not just, like, good at that. You have to get into it, and, like, the younger you can get into the practice of doing it, "This is what I think. This is how I feel," oh my God, you're in a totally different group.

    2. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    3. TS

      You're in a totally different group-

    4. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    5. TS

      ... than the people who, you know, repress and just shut down. Like, I mean, I, that's how I was built.

    6. CW

      Me too.

    7. TS

      Just like, "Just don't talk about it."

    8. CW

      Yeah.

    9. TS

      "Don't talk. Don't talk."

    10. CW

      If you don't have needs-

    11. TS

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      ... subjugate them. Your desires aren't worthy.

    13. TS

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      There's no point in doing this.

    15. TS

      You just shut down, and then-

    16. CW

      (laughs) .

    17. TS

      ... yeah, that's gonna show itself somewhere else.

    18. CW

      Yeah, uh, Neil Strauss says, "Unspoken expectations are premeditated resentments." And people just have this, like, sense, "Well, you should have known."

    19. TS

      Yes.

    20. CW

      Like, "I wanted this thing."

    21. TS

      Yes.

    22. CW

      And you go, "Well, you didn't fucking tell me."

    23. TS

      Yeah. How do you-

    24. CW

      "Because right now I'm resentful about the fact that you didn't do the thing that I didn't ask you to do."

    25. TS

      You, I resent you for not knowing my thoughts-...is what you're-

    26. CW

      If you loved me.

    27. TS

      ...kind of doing. Yeah.

    28. CW

      If, if we were really friends-

    29. TS

      Yeah, and that's-

    30. CW

      ...you would have known this is-

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