What Is Life Like As A Pornstar? | Sienna Day | Modern Wisdom Podcast 101

Chris Williamson 0:00 Sienna Day-

Sienna Day 0:01 Hello.

Chris Williamson 0:01 ... all the way from the adult-rated internet.

Sienna Day 0:04 (laughs) I worked with a guy that had the biggest pair of balls I've ever fucking seen in my life.

Yusef Smith 0:09 Ugh.

Jonny Cox 0:09 Time to go in, and then, and then-

Sienna Day 0:12 Then if it's anal, you'll go prep for anal.

Chris Williamson 0:14 What, what's, what's that?

Sienna Day 0:16 Anal.

Yusef Smith 0:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:16 What-

Sienna Day 0:16 Don't spit on the cock. Don't gag on the cock.

Yusef Smith 0:19 (laughs)

Sienna Day 0:19 Back in the office.

Yusef Smith 0:21 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:21 Is it, is it ... 'Cause obviously you're dealing with-

Sienna Day 0:23 Slide some ping-pongs up my ass.

Chris Williamson 0:24 How many guys do you reckon you've had sex with?

Sienna Day 0:26 A lot. With your back ass like that for, like, 12 hours of the day.

Yusef Smith 0:31 Yes. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:32 This video will not be monetized on YouTube. I've already accepted that.

Sienna Day 0:35 So weird to be in a room with, like, like I said, four men, cameras, and clothes on.

Chris Williamson 0:39 (laughs)

Sienna Day 0:40 It's like-

Jonny Cox 0:40 Just talking.

Sienna Day 0:40 ... you're just waiting for it to happen.

Yusef Smith 0:41 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:41 (laughs)

Sienna Day 0:41 And it just, it just isn't. This guy's having a wank while he filmed us-

Yusef Smith 0:45 Is the b- this is the, the, the wait-

Chris Williamson 0:45 Uh-huh.

Yusef Smith 0:45 ... the hotel waiter?

Sienna Day 0:46 Yeah, yeah, just the waiter. And then my friend started wanking him off and let him come on her tits. Like this, for like five minutes. It's a lot of hard work.

Chris Williamson 0:53 So that's kind of what you're gonna be in for today.

Yusef Smith 0:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 0:56 Gonna just put a quick parental advisory on this. Might be some adult themes.

Sienna Day 1:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I am joined by Johnny and Yusuf from Propane Fitness, and Sienna Day-

Sienna Day 1:12 Hello.

Chris Williamson 1:12 ... all the way from the adult-rated internet.

Sienna Day 1:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:16 Welcome to the show.

Sienna Day 1:17 Thanks for having me.

Chris Williamson 1:18 It's a pleasure to have you on. We, uh, have wanted to discuss what life is like in the porn industry for about, what, 31 years now.

Yusef Smith 1:27 (laughs)

Sienna Day 1:29 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 1:29 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:29 We couldn't remember for everyone else. And we've got hold of you. We finally, finally got you, sat you down on a couch, different sort of couch-

Sienna Day 1:34 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:34 ... to what you're used to. Um-

Sienna Day 1:36 No casting couch here. Or is it one?

Chris Williamson 1:38 This could be the most famous couch that you've ever been sat on.

Sienna Day 1:40 Really?

Chris Williamson 1:40 Probably not, though. You've changed it-

Sienna Day 1:42 The Public Agent was quite, quite a popular number.

Chris Williamson 1:44 Yeah. This also just-

Sienna Day 1:46 It looks like the Public Agent couch, actually. I'm just saying that.

Chris Williamson 1:49 Is it? I'm just gonna warn you now, this is not-

Sienna Day 1:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:50 ... waterproof, so can we ... And, or stain-proof. Let's just-

Sienna Day 1:54 Has it got any spunk stains already on it?

Chris Williamson 1:56 Probably, yeah.

Sienna Day 1:59 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:59 So ... Uh, so that's kind of what you're gonna be in for today.

Yusef Smith 2:01 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:01 Gonna just put a quick parental advisory on this. Might be some adult-

Sienna Day 2:05 Might be a bit there, I reckon for that.

Chris Williamson 2:06 Might be some adult themes.

Sienna Day 2:07 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:07 Uh, but yeah, we wanted to just ask you some questions. Johnny, you've crowdsourced some from friends.

Yusef Smith 2:14 I have.

Sienna Day 2:14 Friends.

Chris Williamson 2:14 Are you inundated?

Yusef Smith 2:15 Don't you guys fucking dare hot potato me here.

Sienna Day 2:16 (laughs)

Yusef Smith 2:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 2:17 I'm not, I'm not gonna hot potato you. So first question, first question that I want to ask: how'd you get into porn?

Sienna Day 2:22 Oh, it's the most boring question.

Chris Williamson 2:23 How the fuck do you get into porn? Everyone has sex-

Yusef Smith 2:25 You gotta start-

Chris Williamson 2:25 ... but not everyone does porn.

Yusef Smith 2:26 Start at the beginning.

Chris Williamson 2:27 Yeah, go start at the beginning.

Sienna Day 2:27 Right, the beginning. No, the problem was I was very, very horny all the time. (laughs) And I didn't just wanna be a slag, so I was thinking, "Right, I can't be doing that, there must be a way I can, like, make use of this, wanting to fuck everyone." And I'd done a bit of, like, webcam and stuff before. And then one of the, like, the guy I was seeing at the time was like, "Have you ever thought about porn?" And I was like-

Chris Williamson 2:47 How, how old were you?

Sienna Day 2:48 21.

Chris Williamson 2:50 Right.

Sienna Day 2:50 And so when ... I thought, do you know what I thought? I didn't actually used to watch much porn, except for this lesbian porn, um, with the strap-on, these tattooed girls. So I didn't really know too much about the industry and I thought, "Do you know what? I'm gonna do a little bit of research on it and then I ... " um, I did some and I thought, "Yeah, I'm gonna get into it. Surely can't be that hard." It fucking is. (laughs)

Yusef Smith 3:07 (laughs)

Sienna Day 3:07 It's not as easy as you think. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 3:09 Would you need to be licensed and, like, is there a training course, MBQ level two?

Sienna Day 3:13 No, but I, I think I could-

Yusef Smith 3:14 Level four.

Sienna Day 3:14 ... do a few teaching lessons.

Chris Williamson 3:16 Okay, cool. So if there are ... There, there we go. Straight off the bat.

Sienna Day 3:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 3:19 Anyone who wants to get into porn, could you do an online course? You could

Narrator 3:22 Have one.

Sienna Day 3:22 Yeah, I could mentor them.

Yusef Smith 3:23 Go for it.

Chris Williamson 3:24 Let's go.

Yusef Smith 3:24 I can't believe ...

Sienna Day 3:25 I should've dressed schoolteacher-

Chris Williamson 3:27 ... how difficult that is.

Sienna Day 3:27 ... and you should've been the students.

Chris Williamson 3:29 Tha- that can be the second, that can be the sequel.

Yusef Smith 3:31 So you, you had a skill and a passion for something.

Sienna Day 3:33 Yes.

Chris Williamson 3:33 And you just thought, "I wanna monetize this."

Sienna Day 3:35 Yes, exactly.

Chris Williamson 3:35 Well, hang on. We didn't know about skill.

Yusef Smith 3:37 Well, yeah. I mean-

Sienna Day 3:38 Yeah.

Yusef Smith 3:38 ... that, that's true. Did, did you have a skill at the time or was that something you-

Sienna Day 3:40 Do you know what? When I was younger, I won't say any, um, ages because it's probably gonna cause a problem. But I even, like, I used to go on the BBC teen and, like, look how they give blow jobs and stuff. I was always very fascinated with sex.

Yusef Smith 3:50 BBC Teen?

Sienna Day 3:51 Yeah. Do you know when you can, like, Google, like-

Yusef Smith 3:53 It doesn't seem very BBC to ...

Sienna Day 3:54 (laughs) Yeah, like sex ed.

Yusef Smith 3:56 No.

Jonny Cox 3:56 Really juicy.

Yusef Smith 3:57 It's like bite-size.

Sienna Day 3:57 That type of thing, yeah, like bite-size. (laughs)

Yusef Smith 3:59 If, if you ... So that, you have that thought.

Sienna Day 4:01 So I've always been very into it, even from being very, like, young, been very, like, fascinated with stuff like that. 'Cause I remember it's like, "Don't blow on the cock. It's dangerous." Even though it's called blow job.

Yusef Smith 4:09 Don't blow-

Chris Williamson 4:09 Don't blow ... What, in case some air goes down the urethra?

Yusef Smith 4:12 Down the, through the pipe.

Sienna Day 4:12 I'm not sure. I can't remember that des--

Yusef Smith 4:14 Down, down the pipe.

Chris Williamson 4:14 What happens if air goes down your urethra?

Yusef Smith 4:15 Yeah, oh, God, I don't think I wanna know the answer to this. So you can ... Yeah, yeah, I, I imagine it's bad. I, I mean, I've never-

Sienna Day 4:21 What do you mean you imagine?

Yusef Smith 4:22 Yeah.

Sienna Day 4:22 I thought you were the locks of the house. (laughs)

Yusef Smith 4:24 Yeah, I'm sure you, I mean, it's not-

Sienna Day 4:24 (laughs)

Yusef Smith 4:25 Surely you can't ...

Chris Williamson 4:27 So do you remember when you used to have-

Yusef Smith 4:29 You couldn't. You had to-

Chris Williamson 4:29 You know at home when you'd have a soda stream?

Yusef Smith 4:32 You-

Chris Williamson 4:33 And you'd, like, pump the soda stream up-

Yusef Smith 4:34 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 4:34 ... and it would be all carbonated?

Yusef Smith 4:35 I mean, there shouldn't be air in there, definitely, so ... But I'm thinking, like, how is the air gonna get out? That's what, yeah, that's what I mean.

Jonny Cox 4:40 Yeah.

Yusef Smith 4:40 'Cause it will ... So it's gonna, gonna rise.

Chris Williamson 4:42 It's the male equivalent of a queef to get it out, isn't it?

Jonny Cox 4:44 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 4:45 A milk queef.

Yusef Smith 4:46 I think it would pre-expose you to infection, 'cause you then just opened up a-

Sienna Day 4:49 (laughs)

Yusef Smith 4:49 ... a bubble of air in your bladder.

Sienna Day 4:51 Don't try this at home, basically. (laughs)

Yusef Smith 4:53 So do not do that, yeah.

Chris Williamson 4:55 Okay, so I'm glad that we've got some safety in it. It's not just-

Sienna Day 4:57 Yeah, it's not a joke.

Chris Williamson 4:57 It's not just all pleasure, ladies and gentlemen. It's act- this is real fucking cutting edge stuff.

Yusef Smith 5:01 I'd like to hear from some- if anyone's ever had that happen, I'd like to hear from them.

Chris Williamson 5:05 Right.

Yusef Smith 5:05 Because I can't imagine that it's possible.

Chris Williamson 5:08 They're probably walking around like a puffer fish.

Sienna Day 5:09 Maybe you should try it.

Yusef Smith 5:10 Aren't they?

Jonny Cox 5:12 Mm-hmm.

Yusef Smith 5:12 I don't wanna be the one that has to deal with the, like, infection.

Jonny Cox 5:19 (whistles)

Sienna Day 5:20 (laughs)

Yusef Smith 5:20 (laughs) Taking one for the team. I'll call you from the RBI and let you know what happens.

Sienna Day 5:24 (laughs)

Yusef Smith 5:25 So-

Chris Williamson 5:25 So you-

Yusef Smith 5:26 ... who do you, who do you contact when you're like, "I wanna get into porn, so I'm gonna ring-"

Chris Williamson 5:29 'Cause this ... Sorry.

Jonny Cox 5:30 Switchboard.

Yusef Smith 5:30 Switchboard.

Jonny Cox 5:31 In the UK, switchboard. (laughs)

Yusef Smith 5:32 The operator.

Chris Williamson 5:32 Yeah.

Yusef Smith 5:33 Can we do the porn industry, please?

Chris Williamson 5:34 Yeah, where do you start?

Sienna Day 5:35 So, um, I just Googled how to be a porn star.

Chris Williamson 5:39 Okay.

Sienna Day 5:39 Doesn't give you a lot of information.

Jonny Cox 5:41 Step one.

Sienna Day 5:41 Anyway, I found this YouTube interview of a porn star, and it was on, um, a company called ATMA LA, their subscription. And I just messaged them 'cause they were, um, a c- like, an agent. I was like, "I wanna do porn. Will you represent me?" And they were like, "Okay, let's organize a Skype, Skype chat and then send us statistics over, some photographs and stuff, and we'll go from there."

Chris Williamson 6:02 Quite a formal process then.

Sienna Day 6:03 Yeah, it's quite a formal process.And then they send you around all the companies like a little show pony, see if they wanna book you. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 6:09 What do you mean, like publishers?

Sienna Day 6:11 (sighs)

Chris Williamson 6:11 What is it? Publishers or-

Sienna Day 6:12 Well, they're like your agent, then they'll send you to like, for instance, um, Evil Angel, Brazzers, Digital Playground, and then be like, so they can see you in the flesh and see if they wanna book you for their shoot.

Chris Williamson 6:23 Okay.

Sienna Day 6:23 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 6:23 That's, so you've-

Jonny Cox 6:24 So that's the selection process, is it? Like-

Sienna Day 6:26 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 6:26 ... you've like, so you, you, it's not like you have to then do free work until you get... like, so it's not like acting where you have to do kind of free gigs, extras and that kinda thing in a-

Sienna Day 6:34 No, definitely not free gigs.

Jonny Cox 6:35 Right.

Sienna Day 6:35 Don't have to do free gigs in porn.

Chris Williamson 6:36 That's interesting.

Sienna Day 6:37 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 6:39 That is interesting. So no pro bono work? Pro bono work.

Sienna Day 6:41 (laughing) Pro bono work.

Chris Williamson 6:42 Pro bono work.

Jonny Cox 6:43 Because that's just having sex, isn't it?

Sienna Day 6:43 But that's more, that's more the US.

Chris Williamson 6:45 That is just having sex.

Sienna Day 6:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 6:46 Okay. So you've done that, and then tell me about your first time. First time on a, on a porn set.

Sienna Day 6:51 I keep getting mixed up, right, between which was my first time, because you did quite a lot at first, 'cause I went over and just did like a fuckload of stuff.

Chris Williamson 6:59 Went over?

Sienna Day 7:00 Yeah, to the, to the States.

Chris Williamson 7:02 Why?

Sienna Day 7:03 Um, just because I could find more information on that. And anyway, then, um, it was either for a company called Porno Dan, which is a (laughs) a live webcam show.

Chris Williamson 7:12 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 7:13 Or it was for Hustler. I can't remember which one come first, might've been Porno Dan. Um, I worked for a guy who had the biggest pair of balls I've ever fucking seen in my life. They were-

Chris Williamson 7:23 What sort of size are we talking?

Sienna Day 7:24 Like chicken fillets.

Jonny Cox 7:26 Chicken fillets. (laughs)

Sienna Day 7:26 Bigger than, bigger than lemon balm would of this size. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:29 Wow.

Jonny Cox 7:29 Holy shit. That's-

Chris Williamson 7:30 It's like two oranges.

Sienna Day 7:31 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:31 Like two medium-sized oranges.

Sienna Day 7:32 That's what I'm like. And obviously it's quite a lot of big guys.

Jonny Cox 7:35 Were they e- were they enhanced or was, was that just as natural?

Sienna Day 7:37 (laughs) I'm not sure, you know. I never got around to asking.

Jonny Cox 7:40 Could you imagine?

Sienna Day 7:40 So obviously, I was thinking, "What the fuck?"

Jonny Cox 7:42 Sounds wrong, doesn't it?

Chris Williamson 7:43 So like ...

Sienna Day 7:44 Absolutely massive. And then it was like-

Chris Williamson 7:46 No two oranges. Two oranges. Two oranges?

Sienna Day 7:48 No bigger. Like I'm talking-

Chris Williamson 7:49 That's ridiculous.

Sienna Day 7:50 I'm talking like not ball-shaped, like little, like-

Jonny Cox 7:53 Like rugby, like rugby ball-shaped?

Sienna Day 7:54 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:55 Wow. That's bizarre. Anyway, so-

Sienna Day 7:57 So that was quite intimidating. Obviously I'm only 22, and I'm thinking, "Fucking hell, this guy has massive balls and quite a big cock as well." But then that was okay actually. So I got that over and done with relatively fast. And then when I went for Hustler, there was two directors, it was like good cop, bad cop. Oh my God, and that was daunting because it was such long days, it was very sort of like lots of people there, camera, lights. The guy kept wanking off with coconut oil, like because obviously he'd been in porn a long time, so he has to just go jerk himself off. I just remember him caking himself in coconut oil constantly, me thinking, "What the fuck is going on here?"

Chris Williamson 8:28 Why coconut oil?

Jonny Cox 8:29 Lot of talk about why coconut oil-

Sienna Day 8:29 And then they were like, "Can you dance?" (laughs) And I'm like, "No." (laughs)

Jonny Cox 8:32 Can you dance?

Sienna Day 8:33 Yeah, 'cause they wanted me to do a sexy dance, which I hate. I still hate to this day, if anyone's like, "Can you do a sexy dance?"

Jonny Cox 8:39 Why coconut oil?

Sienna Day 8:40 I don't know, it was just feeling really nice on his cock. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 8:43 Me doing coconut oil's a mystery.

Chris Williamson 8:43 (laughs)

Sienna Day 8:43 But I just remember thinking, I just remember thinking it was so bizarre that this guy kept running off with... and they'd cake himself in coconut oil and jerking his cock to stay hard. I just remember thinking, "What the fuck? This is actually mental."

Jonny Cox 8:55 I think to be thrown into that as your first, first experience as someone who like... I'm guessing you, you flew over to the States on your own.

Sienna Day 9:02 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 9:03 With no family.

Chris Williamson 9:03 One-on-one?

Jonny Cox 9:04 No one with you.

Chris Williamson 9:04 With this? Wasn't like a DP scene? Wasn't like a five-on-one?

Sienna Day 9:08 No. So I like, I staged everything. I did boy-girl a year after, I did anal a year after that, I did DP the year after that, I did DAP the year after that, I did like-

Jonny Cox 9:16 DAP?

Sienna Day 9:16 ... gangbang at the end of the year-

Chris Williamson 9:17 Oh, you're gonna get into all this.

Jonny Cox 9:18 Okay. Uh-

Sienna Day 9:18 So like doom, doom, doom, doom.

Chris Williamson 9:20 Oh, so there's kind of-

Sienna Day 9:21 This is year six now, so-

Chris Williamson 9:22 There's like a pyramid.

Sienna Day 9:23 ... I want, I wanted a lot of things to do. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 9:24 So there's a hierarchy.

Sienna Day 9:25 Yes, there is.

Chris Williamson 9:26 So where do you start? What's the bottom rung of missionary?

Sienna Day 9:29 Realistically you should start at solo.

Chris Williamson 9:32 S- oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, so that's like-

Sienna Day 9:34 Solo.

Chris Williamson 9:34 ... that's kind of a little bit like, uh, the pilot episode, right? That's before you even start.

Sienna Day 9:37 Yeah. So you, you wanna milk it as much as you can, don't you? So you do-

Chris Williamson 9:40 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 9:41 ... three-month to six-month solo if you can. Then you're like, "Right, I'll do girl-girl to prolong your porn life." If you go and do an anal then everyone wants to shoot you most hardcore s- um, scene. No one wants to watch you do a solo if you've been shagged in the ass.

Chris Williamson 9:54 Right.

Sienna Day 9:54 Do you see what I'm saying?

Chris Williamson 9:55 So you, once you've raised that barrier-

Sienna Day 9:57 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 9:57 ... that's, you're only ever gonna be at there?

Sienna Day 9:59 Yes. Well some times, or some girls will still, it depends on like your fan base, how popular you are, but say if you're brand new, you don't really have that and you're doing the hardcore stuff, they're not really wanna, they generally don't wanna go back. You know what I mean?

Chris Williamson 10:10 Understood.

Jonny Cox 10:11 So there's like a, there's a fixed path they have to run.

Sienna Day 10:13 Yeah. Like I, I do boy-girl now, so I mainly get booked for boy... well, also boy-girl, but I mainly get booked for boy-girl, boy-girl-anal because they are like my highest level to do, or DP.

Jonny Cox 10:22 Right.

Chris Williamson 10:23 Mm.

Jonny Cox 10:23 But you've worked your way up to that?

Sienna Day 10:25 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 10:25 Right.

Chris Williamson 10:26 Okay. So you-

Sienna Day 10:26 I actually did boy-girls in the beginning just 'cause I love cock.

Chris Williamson 10:30 Great.

Jonny Cox 10:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:31 So we've got, we've got the fact it's-

Jonny Cox 10:33 Say less, Chris.

Chris Williamson 10:33 You've started in, you've started in the industry, you've been over to America.

Sienna Day 10:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:37 Then what happens? Like what do you, do you go like, "Right, I've outgrown this agent. It's time for me to go get-"

Sienna Day 10:41 No, obviously that's-

Chris Williamson 10:42 "... bigger, bigger penises." Like what? You didn't know what that meant?

Sienna Day 10:44 (laughs) I was still good to the agent, but then I wanted... once you've been, I'd been established in the US, I could then have contacts in the UK. It's actually... I had no way of knowing like how to like get into the UK industry. And then when I got back, I started doing Babestation.

Chris Williamson 10:58 Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sienna Day 10:58 Which, uh, from, that's not for me. It's too soft and too long.

Chris Williamson 11:02 It's long days, right?

Sienna Day 11:04 Y- long nights. It's like 10:00 till 6:00 and like you just get-

Jonny Cox 11:08 10:00 till 6:00 you-

Chris Williamson 11:08 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM?

Sienna Day 11:10 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 11:10 That's two shift.

Chris Williamson 11:11 Wow.

Yusef Smith 11:11 That's a hard ass shift.

Sienna Day 11:12 Yeah, it bloody is.

Jonny Cox 11:13 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:13 Yeah.

Sienna Day 11:13 And then obviously I, if I'm just on the phone with someone, I get distracted, so I'm like staring around and I get my words mixed up, so I'll be like, "Oh yes, you can suck on my cock." Fuck. (laughs) That's not what they wanna do.

Yusef Smith 11:25 (laughs)

Sienna Day 11:25 I mean I'll suck your cock but-

Yusef Smith 11:25 That is an immediate turn off as well, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 11:27 Yeah. Off.

Sienna Day 11:29 So that wasn't great.

Chris Williamson 11:30 So they're on the wrong channel.

Jonny Cox 11:30 So they're not on TV? So you're just on live TV?

Sienna Day 11:33 Yeah, you've seen the babe channels. Come on now.

Jonny Cox 11:35 So what, so what-

Sienna Day 11:36 Where they're like this.

Jonny Cox 11:37 ... what's the... I don't have a TV, so what's... (laughs)

Sienna Day 11:38 You don't have a TV? (laughs)

Yusef Smith 11:39 And then you think that's a joke.

Jonny Cox 11:41 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 11:42 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 11:42 So, so is there a delay between like if, if you make an error like that or if you... I don't know.

Sienna Day 11:47 No, you make that error. That's it. That's done. It's over.

Yusef Smith 11:50 Imagine this coming back live. Goodness.

Jonny Cox 11:51 Like, "Oh, no."

Sienna Day 11:51 You can't hear what they're saying unless you're, um, like a spy caller or something. So you can have people listening to your dirty talk, which gets you more money because they pay like- An amount.

Jonny Cox 12:01 So they're lurkers.

Sienna Day 12:01 You get like a fraction of-

Chris Williamson 12:02 They're like voyeur crowd.

Sienna Day 12:03 Yeah.

Yusef Smith 12:03 Okay. So there's people calling you and you-

Sienna Day 12:04 So, but if on the telly you just get this like seedy porno music and then the girl like doing like shaking their phone at you to call and like shaking her tit, shaking their arse.

Yusef Smith 12:13 But you can't hear them speaking?

Sienna Day 12:15 No, you can't even speak-

Chris Williamson 12:15 You have to remember it.

Sienna Day 12:16 ... because you are like, "Hmm, I wonder what she said. Ooh, this." Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:18 Do you know, um, Mikayla and Roxie, the two girls from Leeds?

Sienna Day 12:21 No, I don't.

Chris Williamson 12:21 London brunette. They've, they've smashed it on Babestation. They're both like-

Sienna Day 12:25 Yeah, if-

Chris Williamson 12:25 ... well, well into their 30s now and still absolutely nailing it.

Sienna Day 12:28 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:28 Like-

Sienna Day 12:28 If you're gonna do Babestation, you, you shouldn't have done porn before really because then you're, you're used to a high, a more hardcore standard.

Chris Williamson 12:35 Okay.

Sienna Day 12:36 Yeah, so sort of like stick-

Chris Williamson 12:37 So that's like entry-

Sienna Day 12:38 ... stick to one.

Chris Williamson 12:38 ... Babestation first?

Sienna Day 12:39 Mo- more glamor, more glamor I'd say-

Chris Williamson 12:41 Then you move into porn?

Sienna Day 12:42 ... than porn.

Chris Williamson 12:42 Okay, and then solo-

Jonny Cox 12:44 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 12:44 ... then boy girl, you know, girl, girl, boy, girl, boy, girl.

Jonny Cox 12:47 Is it paid ƒ%$#?

Sienna Day 12:47 But I think it's perfectly fine to stay at Babestation because you still get an insight into the, the sex industry but you're not having to just do some of the mental stuff.

Jonny Cox 12:55 So do, do people who are in the more hardcore thing look down on people who are in Babestation 'cause they're like, "Ah, they're, they're just amateurs though."

Sienna Day 13:00 No, not at all.

Jonny Cox 13:00 They just sort of watch.

Sienna Day 13:01 They're just sort of a different level. They might be like, they...

Jonny Cox 13:03 (laughs)

Sienna Day 13:03 Some girls that do porn might prefer performing like visually or with props as such rather than doing dirty talk. You've got to be very, very good at dirty talk to do the phones.

Jonny Cox 13:12 I think as like doing anything-

Sienna Day 13:13 It's a completely different skill really.

Jonny Cox 13:14 Yeah, well, it's... and doing anything monologue is always-

Sienna Day 13:17 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 13:17 ... so tough to remember.

Sienna Day 13:18 I have a lot of respect for these women. Some of them are absolute wizards with the vocabulary.

Chris Williamson 13:22 (laughs) We say it all the time, right? Like if we've got the option of recording a podcast for an hour or doing a 10-minute like monologue to camera, give me the, give me the fucking podcast all day.

Jonny Cox 13:31 Yeah.

Sienna Day 13:31 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 13:32 Because you kinda-

Chris Williamson 13:32 It's just, it's just back and forth, right?

Sienna Day 13:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 13:34 So you've done... You've, you've got back to UK, you've done all that sort of stuff. Let's get into some nitty-gritty.

Sienna Day 13:39 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 13:39 The day that I knew that I wanted to do a podcast with you is when I messaged you, I texted you just catching up and saying, "How's your day been? What you been up to?" And you were, "I'm, I'm on the train at the moment."

Sienna Day 13:48 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:48 "Uh, how about you?"

Jonny Cox 13:49 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:49 And I was like, "Oh, well, I've... uh, like I've done this with my day and I'm a bit tired and had work last night," and this, that, and the other. "How come... Why are you on a train?" Uh, and you go, "Oh, well, uh, I actually feel a bit uncomfortable." I mean, oh, that was it. It was, "I feel a bit uncomfortable and a bit of pain at the moment on the train." I was like, "What, what, what's wrong?" "Oh, I've just been in Amsterdam. I've done 30 days of back-to-back DP." "So what are you doing tonight?"

Jonny Cox 14:10 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 14:10 And it was like just the most, "Oh, yeah, so I, I went to the shop and the milk was out of date actually, and then this, and I did 30 days of back-to-back DP."

Jonny Cox 14:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 14:16 "What are you up to at the weekend?" And I was like, "I just need a window into this world."

Jonny Cox 14:20 Yeah.

Sienna Day 14:21 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 14:21 They sign up from YouTube all the time.

Chris Williamson 14:22 Do you?

Jonny Cox 14:23 Yeah.

Sienna Day 14:23 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 14:23 This is, this is exactly what I find so fascinating that like does it immediately like... does it immediately just become like, oh, it's just work, like okay, 6:00 AM, right time to go in.

Chris Williamson 14:33 Ugh.

Sienna Day 14:33 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 14:33 And then, and it... and like does it feel like the same as doing an office job by the end of... like having done it for a few years? Are you just like, here we go again, right? Or is there still-

Chris Williamson 14:44 Well...

Jonny Cox 14:44 Because everyone's still think... like when you think of work, you think of an office job. Yeah.

Sienna Day 14:48 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 14:48 But people think of sex as like novelty, yeah.

Sienna Day 14:50 You kind of like... when you first start and you're a very enthusiastic young little puppy that's like, "Yeah, I'll suck your cock when the camera's not on, so fluffy." Yeah, once you've been in it so long, it's like, "Okay, yeah, get your dick out." (laughs)

Jonny Cox 15:01 (laughs)

Sienna Day 15:01 Because you also want to reserve your energy for the scene because you expected to do more hardcore scenes. And I'll always give someone a helping hand if there's just maybe they're only two years. I'll always be like enthusiastic and warm and welcoming to the guy, but at the end of the day the guy is there to get... to come and do a job and so are you. You can't be expected to suck him off for an hour before the scene just to get him hard, you know what I mean?

Chris Williamson 15:21 Mm-hmm. So listening to the Riley Reid episode on Logan Paul which was the... apart from my very long history of watching porn is my research that I've done for this show.

Jonny Cox 15:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:31 And, um, listening to that I was really surprised, like she's incredibly passionate about her job. She sees it as a genuine creative art.

Sienna Day 15:40 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 15:40 And she talks a lot about energy and about like sort of, um, making sure that the scene is beautiful and all this sort of stuff.

Sienna Day 15:45 Yeah, you wanna work with someone who's got good chemistry. Like I'll generally give someone, um, a couple of goes to see what their energy is like because you could just have like a bad one-off scene, but if you've got a bad scene, that's it out there, so you wanna really wanna work with people that like on your level. Do you know? When you come in, you're both professional, you're both ready, the guy can keep his word, the girl looks nice, and you just have a good strong scene together and you're up to the same levels.

Chris Williamson 16:08 Mm-hmm. So talk me through-

Sienna Day 16:10 Especially if they're makes... there's a lot of content creation out there within-

Chris Williamson 16:13 So you're doing multiple things.

Sienna Day 16:13 ... so if you're doing it all for yourself, so you want it to be like really, really good.

Chris Williamson 16:16 So talk me through, y- it's a day that you've got work-

Sienna Day 16:19 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 16:19 You've got craft. Talk me through morning routine and then what do you do? You get to the set, do you have like a bit... do you do your own makeup? Is there hair and makeup people there?

Sienna Day 16:27 Right, depends what company you're working for. If it's, um, a company like Brazzers, Eve Lain, Children of the Playground.

Chris Williamson 16:33 Are they the big... the, the, like the big names?

Jonny Cox 16:34 The big diets.

Sienna Day 16:35 The big ones, the ones with a lot of money, then they... you'll go in, 8:00 or 9:00 call time, you'll get your makeup done, you'll get your hair done, then you do glam still. Then if it's anal, you'll go prep for anal.

Chris Williamson 16:46 What, what's, what's that?

Sienna Day 16:48 Anal. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 16:49 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:49 No, no, what's prep for anal?

Jonny Cox 16:51 What's the prep for anal? Glycerol suppository?

Sienna Day 16:53 Douching.

Jonny Cox 16:54 Uh-huh.

Sienna Day 16:54 And some girls like to stick a butt plug up their ass to stretch it up. I just wash and then that's it, it's ready to go.

Chris Williamson 17:00 Okay, so you're pretty sort of quick.

Sienna Day 17:02 Quick, yeah.

Jonny Cox 17:03 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 17:03 Cool, that's good.

Jonny Cox 17:04 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 17:04 Well, I mean, that's got to be an advantage.

Sienna Day 17:05 Yeah, exactly. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 17:06 That's like, that's like being able to-

Sienna Day 17:07 And I can give very easily which is a good, good thing. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 17:09 You know, that's, that's the... that's the equivalent of you being able to cold bar deadlift 200 kilos without warming up.

Jonny Cox 17:14 Just straight up like...

Chris Williamson 17:15 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 17:16 There you go.

Chris Williamson 17:16 Walk into the gym, dead lift.

Jonny Cox 17:18 Nice feel.

Chris Williamson 17:18 In you go.

Sienna Day 17:18 It's good.

Jonny Cox 17:18 Nice to know, yeah. So how much do you have to look after your own financial interests? So you said, you said like there are certain cases where people will want you to work extra, like unpaid stuff. Do you have to always like be aware of that?

Sienna Day 17:28 What, what like unpaid stuff? What, what is this unpaid stuff?

Jonny Cox 17:31 No, no, like...

Sienna Day 17:32 I don't like the sound of this. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 17:33 That, that someone would, would expect you to like, to... the... if you're having to do like extra hours or do stuff that, that isn't being directly paid for directly or, or is it better than what you're used-

Sienna Day 17:43 We... so we're not paid by hour, we're paid... you, you decide yourself how you're paid. So you're either paid like day rate or scene rate.

Jonny Cox 17:51 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 17:51 So actually, at one time, I had a quite a big argument with a gentleman because I went... I went there, I did, um, I did the scene, it was an anal scene, smashed it, four very good positions, gave a filthy, a f- hardcore fucking scene, and he recorded it all on Snapchat and sent it out. And then he goes to me afterwards when I was at the shower, "Okay, 10 minutes and we'll start the scene." And I'm like-

Jonny Cox 18:12 Oh, okay.

Sienna Day 18:13 ... "Whoa, whoa, whoa."

Jonny Cox 18:13 So how much does that kind of thing happen where like either you've been pirated-

Sienna Day 18:17 Um-

Jonny Cox 18:17 ... or like-

Chris Williamson 18:18 ... you, you know, you, stuff gets uploaded where you can't then profit from it, because-

Sienna Day 18:21 But every single one of my movies has been pirated, but I'm paid for that scene so that it doesn't affect my sales after the fact.

Chris Williamson 18:25 So it doesn't, oh, okay.

Sienna Day 18:25 Unless it's my own stuff or my OnlyFans.

Chris Williamson 18:27 Can I get back to the big hitters there?

Sienna Day 18:30 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:30 Like, you went through a few characteristics that make a good scene.

Sienna Day 18:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 18:34 So, like, can we ju-, can we just-

Sienna Day 18:35 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 18:36 ... can we just learn about those, please?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 18:37 They come. It depends who you're shooting for. Like, some people like really beautiful stuff. I did something in Prague through the week and it was like, cinema, cinematic, cinematic erotica or whatever. I personally hate that bullshit. Like, it's long, it's unnecessary, your, your back arched like that for, like, 12 hours of the day. (laughs) So, uh...

Chris Williamson 18:56 In the face.

Sienna Day 18:57 And then after that you're doing someone else for another, they're 20-hour-long days and it's all soft porn. So, you have total of about six minutes of sex.

Chris Williamson 19:06 Wow.

Sienna Day 19:06 And a 20-hour day, like, I personally hate that. But the-

Chris Williamson 19:10 Who's that for?

Sienna Day 19:10 ... some people love it. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:13 (laughs)

Sienna Day 19:13 Who is that for?

Chris Williamson 19:13 Is it, is it a certain-

Sienna Day 19:13 That's what I wanna know. Who fuck watches that? (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 19:16 Like, do they do things, like, with, do they have, like, a certain audience in mind when they're starting creating this for?

Sienna Day 19:18 Yeah, so, like, it's, each person makes a good scene. So he's like, "Don't spit on the cock, don't gag on the cock, don't be aggressive, don't be too loud."

Chris Williamson 19:25 Is that in the list of written, written restrictions?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 19:27 (laughs)

Sienna Day 19:27 Yeah, he will say that stuff.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 19:28 In the, in the guidelines?

Sienna Day 19:29 Like, "Too loud, too porno." And then so then I'm scared to make a noise, and then he's like, "Not loud enough." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:34 Jesus.

Sienna Day 19:34 So I'm like, "Uh, uh."

Chris Williamson 19:36 It's very, it's very delicate, isn't it?

Sienna Day 19:38 (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 19:38 Okay, so you've got that, and then what about as we start to move up through, like, more hardcore stuff?

Sienna Day 19:42 So, I prefer more hardcore stuff, so then it depends, but obviously that's the stuff I prefer. Like good energy, hardcore, someone that can keep up the same tempo as you.

Chris Williamson 19:51 You're saying hardcore. What, what, what do we mean?

Sienna Day 19:53 Hardcore's like anal, deep throat, lots of spit, I'd say.

Chris Williamson 19:58 All, all the big hitters, right? Yeah, cool.

Sienna Day 20:00 Gaping, peeing. I don't know if I can say that on there.

Chris Williamson 20:01 You can say whatever you want.

Sienna Day 20:02 Okay. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:02 What, you, you, you're worried about saying peeing?

Chris Williamson 20:05 (laughs)

Sienna Day 20:06 I hope I'm not saying, saying to get pissed on.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:07 I feel like we, how, we're, we're supposed-

Sienna Day 20:09 I'm not too much fun at the party.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:10 We are 20 minutes into this podcast and the stuff you've said-

Chris Williamson 20:12 Yeah. That's probably the most PG thing, yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:14 ... been heinous.

Chris Williamson 20:15 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:15 Right. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 20:18 (laughs)

Sienna Day 20:18 Well, it's ac-, it's, it's actually illegal to film that in the UK now, so I don't know.

Chris Williamson 20:22 It's illegal to pee when filming? To, to film when peeing?

Sienna Day 20:24 To, it's illegal to pee on someone during sex. Oh, I don't know why I'm saying peeing in this.

Chris Williamson 20:27 Hang on, hang on. It can't be illegal to piss on someone during sex. It must be illegal to film you pissing on someone during sex.

Sienna Day 20:32 Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what-

Chris Williamson 20:33 If the police knock down the door, that's one of those like non-crimes that's, that's reported and logged, isn't it? Um, Johnny, you, I know that you, you're itching. Can you, can we hit some of...

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:43 Well, one of the qu- about the legality of it, it's illegal in the UK to be a prostitute. Correct?

Chris Williamson 20:51 Yes.

Sienna Day 20:52 Yes, but not an escort.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 20:54 Okay. But i- if, if you, if someone, if two people move in off the street, there's money exchanges hands, they have sex in a room, that's illegal.

Chris Williamson 21:02 Mm-hmm.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 21:03 However, if it's filmed, it's now not illegal.

Chris Williamson 21:08 Is that the case?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 21:08 Like... Yeah. Is that because the primary, like, the, the, it's, it's not about, like, the, the economic value coming from that transaction.

Chris Williamson 21:16 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 21:16 It's from, like, how that's then sold on. So you're creating a product to then-

Chris Williamson 21:19 I, I suppose i- in simpler terms, if you've, if it's being filmed and it's porn, it's illegal. But if it's not filmed-

Sienna Day 21:25 You can exchange money. Escorting is you're allowed to pay for someone's time and then whatever happens is between two consenting adults. So you can still say that's what's gone on.

Chris Williamson 21:33 Oh, right, I see.

Sienna Day 21:33 It's illegal to get, like, a streetwalker.

Chris Williamson 21:35 So there's, there's £400.

Sienna Day 21:37 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:37 Let's go out for dinner, let's go to the cinema.

Sienna Day 21:40 Whatever happens, happens, you know, with the, yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:41 Give me a back road. Blah, blah, blah. Okay.

Sienna Day 21:43 Slipping in.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 21:44 And, er, the, the payment side of it. So you always get paid, but there is, like, infinite free porn on the internet. So how, how is the... Well, like, who's it being sold to? I mean, may- maybe there's a massive group of, of guys who pay for it, but...

Sienna Day 22:00 It's actually a bit porn politics. So, like, the p-, the por-, the, like, porno Xvideos are actually owned by the company that do porn. So they actually sort of technically sort of steal their own content.

Chris Williamson 22:10 So they're creator, publisher and distributor?

Sienna Day 22:13 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 22:14 Wow.

Sienna Day 22:15 They're basically everything. That's why it's only, like, every 10 minutes and then you'll see the ads and you'll click on it and you'll go to the website, if that makes sense.

Chris Williamson 22:20 Oh, so it's full length.

Sienna Day 22:20 That's why porn is never like 40 minutes long on PornHub or Xvideos.

Chris Williamson 22:24 'Cause they have to pay someone.

Sienna Day 22:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 22:25 Oh, is that why.

Sienna Day 22:25 So, browsers, it's like PornHub, but it's, it's, um, a company called MindGeek. But now a lot of people are making their own content, that's why, like, PornHub are offering the premium, we have OnlyFans, we've got Chelsea Singh and Mia Mae.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 22:36 So, those kind of aggregators, like, are they advertising for you or do they, do they ruin your profits long term?

Sienna Day 22:42 Um, (sighs) it's very different because y- I think years ago there was more of an e- of an effect because girls were being paid from like t- and guys, like, tens of thousands of pounds per scene, to the thousands of pounds per scene.

Chris Williamson 22:53 Hmm.

Sienna Day 22:53 But now it's, it's like a long, a long-haul effect, if you get what, that long-haul, what's the, what, what's the...

Chris Williamson 22:59 Cumulative effect.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:00 Like the Law of Loose Lies or whatever, like...

Sienna Day 23:01 Yeah. Like, it's not go- it's not affected me since I've started, but if I'd have been doing it 20 years I'd have really seen the effect of it.

Chris Williamson 23:07 Ah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:07 So, what do you, what do you stand to earn, like, not you specifically, but, like, an average porn star? What's, like, would, would be an annual-

Sienna Day 23:14 You don't make a lot of money from one porn video. You make it from, like, doing quite a lot of porn videos and then doing things for your o- for yourself. So your porn is like your self-promotion.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:24 So, would you rather get royalties from, like, videos that you do, or would you rather-

Sienna Day 23:27 Yes, I would. One's got 53 million views. I'd, I'd get, I'd be a millionaire.

Chris Williamson 23:31 Okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:31 Three million? 53 million?

Chris Williamson 23:32 Wow.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:32 Where? What, on one video?

Sienna Day 23:33 On Xvideos, on my thing. So if we got royalties, we'd be, like, millionaires.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:37 Right. Okay.

Chris Williamson 23:38 Um, I'm not sure if this is gonna be able to work. Link may be in the show notes below, depending on what iTunes allow me to pop in there.

Sienna Day 23:45 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:45 It's like teeing yourself up for Google afterwards.

Chris Williamson 23:46 If not, it might be a bit.ly link.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:48 Bit.ly d-... Well, that's even more dodgy, that.

Sienna Day 23:49 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:50 Don't put a bit.ly link in a podcast. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 23:52 There is... No, no, I mean, I, I am identifying already-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:54 For Christ's sake.

Chris Williamson 23:55 This video...

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 23:56 Just can I, Dean, stop him. Stop him from... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 23:57 This video will not be monetized on YouTube. I've already accepted that. Sorry, Dean. Um, so what we said, Johnny, you've got... You must have some, some good questions. Let's, let's-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:07 I do. They're a bit, I mean, they're a bit-

Chris Williamson 24:08 Are they, are they-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:09 ... technical. No. No, no.

Chris Williamson 24:11 (clears throat) Are they porny or are they businessy?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:12 They're, no, they're all, they're all related to porn.

Chris Williamson 24:14 Yep.

Sienna Day 24:15 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:15 It's not like, you know, "What do you think about Brexit?"

Chris Williamson 24:17 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:17 It's not stuff like that.

Chris Williamson 24:19 Okay, cool.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:19 Um, okay. So the first ques- so these are all...

24:22 ... friends, you know. I- I basically ask people if you could ask a-

Sienna Day 24:26 Again.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:26 ... porn star something. So this one is, um, most people pick their career and what they do because they want, like, a pay rise or a promotion or, like, they do it for self-worth. Like, if you're a doctor, you might want to help people, stuff like that. Do you-

Sienna Day 24:42 I want to help people too. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:43 Do you? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 24:46 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 24:47 That's a great answer. Do you get that from porn? So do you get like a sense of you progressing in porn?

Sienna Day 24:53 Yeah, you really do. You know, like I do a lot of custom videos as well for people, and (laughs) it just really helps, nice to help people get that wank they want. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:01 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 25:02 It's very fulfilling.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:03 That's a great tagline.

Sienna Day 25:04 It is, you know.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:04 So-

Sienna Day 25:04 Get the wank you want.

Chris Williamson 25:05 Going back to, just because it kind of relates to what you've mentioned there-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 25:08 Um, and again, listening to the Riley Reid podcast, it's totally right. Because this advent of, um, social media, self-promotion, um, funding of self content, and the fact that you no longer need a publisher-

Sienna Day 25:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 25:21 ... to do your stuff has meant... You guys may not know about this, but there's OnlyFans at myme.vip, whose owner, Chelsi Ferguson, is going to be on Modern Wisdom in a couple of weeks time.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:31 Oh, dear.

Chris Williamson 25:32 Um, and it-

Sienna Day 25:33 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 25:33 This is where... So you're, what you're saying is your porn is distributed to a wide audience.

Sienna Day 25:38 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 25:38 You do that, people then become fans of you. That's the front-

Sienna Day 25:41 Yeah, that's it, innit.

Chris Williamson 25:41 That's the front end of your funnel.

Sienna Day 25:43 Fake Taxi's a great one to do. It's not the best paying, but it's the best, it's the most normal.

Chris Williamson 25:48 It's the widely watched.

Sienna Day 25:48 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 25:49 So-

Sienna Day 25:49 So, so then people are like, "I love this girl on Fake Taxi, let me follow her Twitter." And then like, "Oh, wow, she's filthy, let me just follow..." Because she rings this guy' ass.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 25:56 So that gives you a following.

Sienna Day 25:57 "Let me, uh, let me follow the ph- the OnlyFans." Okay.

Chris Williamson 25:59 When, when you're doing this stuff, do you have... 'Cause we... So when, when we make videos or podcasts, like we're very much thinking about the person on the other end who's watching or listening and, like, how can we talk to them the most?

Sienna Day 26:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 26:09 Like, are you thinking of the viewer when you're doing this stuff?

Sienna Day 26:11 Yeah, I always do little, um, surveys on Twitter and Instagram and OnlyFans saying, "What do you guys want to see next?" This week I'm going to do small penis humiliation and a jerk off instruction.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:21 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 26:21 Is that, that, that... Is that a thing?

Sienna Day 26:23 Yeah. I've just-

Chris Williamson 26:24 Which one?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:25 Small penis humiliation.

Sienna Day 26:26 Yeah, so...

Chris Williamson 26:27 And a jerk off instructions.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:28 How does that, how does that work?

Sienna Day 26:29 That's not, that's not my usual style actually.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:30 Like...

Sienna Day 26:30 So I'm gonna do a little bit of research in, 'cause I'm not naturally, like into the dominating side, and that's kind of a bit fetishy. So... But someone's asked it, me to do it on the, on my content. So I'm gonna humiliate his small penis. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:44 What's the appeal of that?

Sienna Day 26:46 (laughs) Because I was like-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:47 It's funny.

Sienna Day 26:47 I'll have to ask him. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:48 Because like, yeah, if you're the man-

Sienna Day 26:49 He chooses his personal preference. Maybe he's, maybe he's proud of his small cock. Or maybe he thinks, wants me to tell him it's a worthless piece of shit, I don't know. I would have to ask him which, which... Where he wants me to go from.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 26:58 Mm. Nice.

Sienna Day 26:58 Usually they will want me to say, "Look at this big massive fucking cock you have, it's nothing compared to this."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:03 Oh, okay. That's what they're after.

Chris Williamson 27:04 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:04 Right.

Chris Williamson 27:04 It's a weird dynamic. So there's a couple of girls that I've known that have done like, uh, financial domination.

Sienna Day 27:10 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:11 Um-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:11 Oh, whatever you're saying now-

Sienna Day 27:12 Findom.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:12 ... like I've got more money than you.

Chris Williamson 27:14 Fin, Findom. No, man.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:15 Oh, right. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 27:15 This is, this is where guys, guys will get their paychecks, send their entire paycheck so their account is zeroed out or max out their overdraft, send it to a girl, and this girl then drip feeds them the money they need to live. And some of the guys do this-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:28 It's a commission.

Chris Williamson 27:28 ... with a wife and... No, no, no. Just takes all their money and then drip feeds them, "I need to eat. I've... My, my... I need to put petrol in the car. Right, there's three quid back." And that's what they get off. Like the fact that they'll-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:39 It's mental. It's mental.

Chris Williamson 27:39 They will make them walk to work.

Sienna Day 27:41 I even find that mental. So I'm like, "What the hell?"

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 27:43 So if you take that as an example, right? So h-... Is there someone... Is, is there like a boss of porn? Is there like a, the Mr. Porn or Mrs. Porn?

Sienna Day 27:54 I don't know, it's quite a tough question, really. There's like... You have your classics, but then everyone will always say to me, "Do you know this porn star, and it's always like a different person?"

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:02 But is there someone like at the, at... Like is there like a Mark Zuckerberg?

Chris Williamson 28:05 It's the guy that owns the... What was the company you mentioned earlier?

Sienna Day 28:08 MindGeek?

Chris Williamson 28:09 Yes.

Sienna Day 28:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:09 It's the guy behind that.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:10 Is that he who just owns all the porn websites?

Chris Williamson 28:11 I think it's-

Jonny Cox 28:12 Or is it a stealth bomber that's just like on top of them all?

Chris Williamson 28:14 It's... It accounts... He was the guy that was on Joe Rogan. And it accounts-

Jonny Cox 28:18 Oh, right, yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:18 ... for some insan- It's like 80% of porn traffic. Remembering that porn traffic is 30% of the internet.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:24 Of web traffic, yeah.

Jonny Cox 28:25 I've heard different percentages for that. Like some people say like 95% of-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:28 There's lots.

Jonny Cox 28:28 Some people say like-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:29 Just lots, isn't it?

Jonny Cox 28:30 Yeah, it's lots. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:31 Most of it.

Chris Williamson 28:31 I got that stat from Logan Paul, so obviously it's probably 100% right.

Jonny Cox 28:34 Okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:34 Right. But so, so that, so like fetishes. If you... I, I, I don't know but if you... Let's say you go back like 100 years. I don't imagine there are people like being financially dominated or like doing some of the stuff that's in porn now.

Sienna Day 28:49 Oh, yeah. I agree but yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:50 So does, does porn create the fetishes or does the fetishes create the porn?

Jonny Cox 28:53 Great question.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 28:54 Do you see what I mean? Like do people have these fetishes because they've seen a porn video and think, "Fucking hell, I really want to be financially dominated."

Jonny Cox 29:00 There was someone talking about this saying that the creation of new categories almost generates demand for new people looking for weirder and weirder things.

Sienna Day 29:07 Yeah, but-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:08 There's got to be some stuff there.

Sienna Day 29:08 Especially... And a lot of men have been in porn for a long time, and women, we will need to think of more and more hardcore and outrageous things to get us off.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:17 Right.

Sienna Day 29:17 Because it's kind of hard to... Well, for three person now to get off at the thought of a man and a woman having sex. You've got to think sometimes of some deep, dark, seedy stuff, and for-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:26 Right.

Sienna Day 29:26 It might not be deep, dark and seedy for somebody, like the findom I think but... I don't know, 'cause some people are quite vanilla guys, and then they have these mad little random fetishes.

Chris Williamson 29:34 So going to the porn stuff. How is holding down a relationship while you're doing porn?

Sienna Day 29:40 Absolutely horrific. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:42 (laughs)

Sienna Day 29:42 Terrible. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:43 Can't believe it.

Sienna Day 29:44 Terrible.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:44 For you or for the guy?

Sienna Day 29:47 Just the general relationship.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:48 The whole thing?

Sienna Day 29:49 Every single party involved.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 29:50 Right.

Jonny Cox 29:50 So like, is it-

Sienna Day 29:50 No, do you know what it is? It's, it's very hard because... I think a lot of guys get attracted to you... Well, the, this... They meet you through porn sometimes. They might be like fans or-

Chris Williamson 29:59 So have you had, have you had porn boyfriends?

Sienna Day 30:01 I haven't had a porn boyfriend. I don't think mixing business and, and pleasure. And it's just haven't had that connection with someone where I've wanted to go out with them. Not that I haven't met great guys, because I have. But, um, yeah, I don't think they... When they get fond of you and, or they start liking you a lot more, then I don't think they actually like seeing you as a sex object no more. And then they struggle with it and they, they don't want their girlfriend going out and getting fucked and spunked on by other men.

Jonny Cox 30:25 So it's always jealousy that starts like-

Sienna Day 30:26 Yeah, it is the jealousy really that gets them.

Jonny Cox 30:28 Do you get jealous?

Chris Williamson 30:29 ... like, if you were with someone who was a porn act- uh, a porn actor, porn star.

Sienna Day 30:34 No, because it's, it's a job. It's so different. Like, I'll go there, I can't even remember the names of men I've slept with in porn.

Chris Williamson 30:41 It's a very-

Sienna Day 30:41 I don't even s- you know, you go there, you speak to them, you have a nice conversation, you make a good scene together, you have respect for each other. Then you'll go and you might not speak to each other ever again.

Chris Williamson 30:49 Isn't that- so I think that probably strikes on one of-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 30:53 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 30:53 That probably strikes on one of the really, like, difficult to understand things that most people think about when they think about porn in the industry-

Sienna Day 31:00 Such a different mentality, that you can't get it.

Chris Williamson 31:01 Yeah, because for most people, the reason that you have sex is because it's this emotional bond, it's this thing which is incredibly intimate. It's not transactional, it's not like filmed. There's not hair and makeup. You haven't done a douche before.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 31:13 Like, all of this sort of stuff and I think it's that-

Sienna Day 31:15 I've had to teach a couple of friends to douche.

Chris Williamson 31:17 How do you douche?

Sienna Day 31:18 You just ... well I ... you, you can get a little, um, like douche bulb and you just fill it with water and stick it in your head, squirt it out, either hole of your choice. Or you can just take your shower head apart, which I've done at a few guys' house, and just stick it up and then-

Chris Williamson 31:31 That's a high pressure.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:32 Have you told them that you've done that?

Chris Williamson 31:33 Yes (laughs) .

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:34 That is high pressure.

Sienna Day 31:34 I sometimes forget to put the shower head on like, "Oh, gonna run in and do that."

Chris Williamson 31:37 (laughs) Wow.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:39 I think I'd be quite upset if someone, like, took the shower head a- apart and didn't tell me that they'd put it in.

Chris Williamson 31:44 Well, you wouldn't know.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:44 Well, yeah, okay.

Sienna Day 31:44 You know what you sometimes lose? The rubber ring-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 31:46 Oh.

Sienna Day 31:46 ... to stop the water. Oh.

Chris Williamson 31:48 Oh.

Sienna Day 31:48 And then you're like this, "Nowhere's it gone?"

Chris Williamson 31:50 That is physical or is it just somewhere else?

Sienna Day 31:54 No, like when you put a bath on the floor.

Chris Williamson 31:56 Like another dimension? (laughs) No.

Sienna Day 31:58 You don't lose it in your ass, you lose it on the shower floor somewhere.

Chris Williamson 32:00 Oh, right.

Sienna Day 32:00 Once you're clean and you're like, "Fuck, where's it gone?"

Chris Williamson 32:02 Um, so going back to the relationships thing, little bit difficult to hold down a relationship-

Sienna Day 32:06 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 32:06 ... um, because of some jealousy, what about sex outside of porn for you?

Sienna Day 32:10 Oh yeah, it's great.

Chris Williamson 32:11 So, y- you haven't found that you've down-regulated your sexual appetite through porn?

Sienna Day 32:16 For a little bit you do sort of like get desensitized 'cause you're so used to having sex on, on ... y- used to having porn sex. So you can desensitize you for a little bit in the fact that you're kind of a bit like you can't have emotional, connective sex or when I struggle with it for a little bit. But, um, I was recently fucking a guy this year and I managed to get that back a little bit.

Chris Williamson 32:35 That's cool.

Sienna Day 32:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 32:36 So what sort of sex do you have outside of porn?

Sienna Day 32:38 It's just the same really.

Chris Williamson 32:39 Porn sex outside of porn?

Sienna Day 32:40 Yeah, just porn sex, all sex.

Chris Williamson 32:42 Did, did you have that before you did porn?

Sienna Day 32:45 Probably not as in- intense, but it was still pretty full on and wild.

Chris Williamson 32:48 Okay.

Sienna Day 32:48 I'd had like foursomes and threesomes and anal and stuff before porn. But I'd only started like really enjoying like anal and stuff after I'd done porn. I learned how to relax and clean myself properly and, you know, when the cock's going in, push your ass out and it sucks the cock up, little tricks like that for any girls out there wanting to do anal. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:05 We really need, really, really need to do an online course.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:08 It should be like a cheat sheet shouldn't there?

Sienna Day 33:09 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:09 Like, uh, things to ... top tips.

Chris Williamson 33:11 Yep. So okay, there we go. Girl's struggling with anal. Girl wants to do anal, boyfriend wants to do anal, whatever it is.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:17 Is it-

Chris Williamson 33:17 That camera there.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:18 Uh-huh.

Chris Williamson 33:18 What's it- what's your tips?

Sienna Day 33:20 Make sure your ass is clean, douche, um, warm up the butt plug, just sit with it in for an hour if you like. Um, when the cock's going in, be well lubricated and push your ass out and it'll swallow the cock up as you relax.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:33 It's reverse peristalsis.

Sienna Day 33:35 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:36 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:37 I warned you. I don't know what this is.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:38 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:38 I warned you. I warned you.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:40 So i- that's one of the key differences surely, that you, you said, like, that, you know, there's a camera there and you- you're performing to something.

Sienna Day 33:46 Yeah, I mean sometimes like that camera's like all over the guy's face. You can't even see them if it's POV.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:50 I see. But then if you're with someone, there's no camera, so surely that changes the

Sienna Day 33:54 Yeah, it's kind of ... Sometimes it can be a bit, um ... you get a bit shy sometimes. It's like, "Oh, hold on a second."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 33:59 There's no-

Sienna Day 34:00 "Where's everyone else at?"

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:01 Oh, okay.

Chris Williamson 34:01 Oh right, yeah.

Sienna Day 34:02 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:02 'Cause it feels oddly intimate.

Sienna Day 34:03 Yeah. You're like, "Oh, God."

Chris Williamson 34:05 Yeah. Excuse me, would you just-

Sienna Day 34:05 And I love filming it and, like, in my personal life as well.

Chris Williamson 34:08 Would you just get one of your flat mates in so he can come and stand over the far side?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:12 Just sit there.

Chris Williamson 34:13 You just get him to gesture while we're doing things so I feel like I'm back in- Yeah, exactly.

Sienna Day 34:17 Back in the office. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:19 Is it, is it 'cause obviously you're dealing with- (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:22 That's gonna be the thumbnail. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:22 You're dealing with guys who do this for a living at work and then you're dealing with ... and you sleep with someone outside of porn who's just some bloke who occasionally has sex with people.

Sienna Day 34:31 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:31 Is there, is there a massive difference? Like, you're dealing with like a rail gun of men.

Sienna Day 34:37 I've had bad porn sex, I've had bad normal sex, I've had good porn sex and good normal sex. It just depends on the person.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:41 But it's not that porn stars aren't like in a league of their own-

Sienna Day 34:45 No, not at all.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:45 ... compared to ... No?

Sienna Day 34:47 No.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:47 That's surprising.

Sienna Day 34:48 No.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:48 I thought there'd be like an elite group of-

Sienna Day 34:49 I've had some, some bad porn sex as well. Not, not much I wouldn't say.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:53 Right.

Sienna Day 34:53 But a couple of times.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:54 What is your name of your first pet?

Sienna Day 34:58 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 34:58 And so do you, do you know this? Like when people say your-

Chris Williamson 35:00 Make your own porn name.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:01 ... your porn name is ... yeah, it's the name of your first pet and like the first street that you lived on.

Sienna Day 35:04 Yeah, that's it.

Chris Williamson 35:06 Jess Imperial.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:07 That is amazing.

Sienna Day 35:09 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:09 That really is.

Chris Williamson 35:10 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:10 Jess Imperial.

Sienna Day 35:10 I don't think I know mine, you know?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:12 'Cause mine, mine doesn't work. I c- Your, yours was quite good I think. (laughs) What's yours?

Jonny Cox 35:19 Abdelbaset Barmore.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:25 (laughs)

Sienna Day 35:25 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:25 (laughs) Oh, shit. He always sneezes on the podcast. Abdulbaset Barmore. Yeah. One more time?

Jonny Cox 35:32 Abdelbaset.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:33 Abdelbaset.

Sienna Day 35:34 What pet, what pet did you have?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:35 It was a rabbit, but my dad thought it would be funny to call it the name of like a 19th century Arab poet. (laughs)

Sienna Day 35:43 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:43 Fucking mad.

Chris Williamson 35:43 And when, when you're like 6 years old-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:45 It is, it is a great idea.

Sienna Day 35:46 I quite like your porn name. It's very different. There's not really anyone out there with that name.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:49 I think you'd stand out in the industry.

Chris Williamson 35:50 When you're six years old you're just like, "Oh yeah, it's a sick name for my rabbit. Yeah, I'm going for it."

Jonny Cox 35:54 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:54 Hey, look-

Sienna Day 35:54 You didn't think about your future in porn, did you?

Chris Williamson 35:56 No, unfortunately.

Sienna Day 35:57 You're fucked now then.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:57 No, no, no, oh.

Chris Williamson 35:59 Oh.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 35:59 Now he's ruining the porn name, Dan. Uh, okay. So how many ... I'm gonna say guys. How many guys do you reckon you've had sex with?

Sienna Day 36:08 Oh Jesus, this is another question I hate. A lot.

Chris Williamson 36:11 A thousand?

Sienna Day 36:13 Between 500 and 1,000. I know that's a very broad spectrum.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 36:17 (laughs) Fucking Christ. (laughs) Yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:18 Brackets there.

Sienna Day 36:18 Let's ... I've had ... been having porn sex for six years. I'd slept with quite a few before then. Then there's been personal sex.... yeah, fuck knows.

Chris Williamson 36:30 What's the-

Sienna Day 36:31 How long's a piece of string?

Chris Williamson 36:32 So 500 to 1,000 you're exposing yourself to a massive amount of risk. How do you-

Sienna Day 36:37 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:37 Like, is that something that you-

Sienna Day 36:38 How am I re- how?

Chris Williamson 36:39 Like-

Sienna Day 36:40 On 36th?

Chris Williamson 36:40 ... sexual health, STI, yeah, massively. Like d- is that something like-

Sienna Day 36:42 We get tested every two to four weeks.

Chris Williamson 36:44 And do you get tested before a new partner? Or, like, do you have, like... What, what, what's the process?

Sienna Day 36:49 Well, I'm tested every two or four weeks anyway. It was-

Chris Williamson 36:51 Is it-

Sienna Day 36:51 For the past six years that's been a... Longest I've gone without getting tested would probably be two months for the past six years.

Chris Williamson 36:57 Okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 36:57 Who tests you? The company tests you?

Sienna Day 36:59 No, you have to, um, get it done. There's a, a company in Dean Street, um, that used to give us six hours turnaround results. We needed our results fast to get-

Chris Williamson 37:06 Yeah.

Sienna Day 37:06 ... them moved out of our window.

Chris Williamson 37:08 Yeah.

Sienna Day 37:08 And you have to get tested for chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, HIV, hep C, hep B. A lot of the diseases over there.

Chris Williamson 37:15 Okay.

Sienna Day 37:15 A lot of diseases.

Chris Williamson 37:16 Everything.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:16 The big boys. And then, didn't you say that there's some sort of certification and everyone is a part of this same, like-

Sienna Day 37:22 Yeah, you have to present-

Chris Williamson 37:23 ... union?

Sienna Day 37:23 ... your health certificate, um, which is signed and it has to be like-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:26 Like up to date.

Sienna Day 37:26 ... by one of the companies. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 37:28 Okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:28 So everyone's kind of unionized into this-

Sienna Day 37:31 Also, you're working with the same... The reason why it's hard to say how many people you've slept with is because you work with the same people over and over again.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:38 So you kind of forget who it was. Yeah.

Sienna Day 37:38 So it could be a lot less than I think, because I'm thinking, "Hold on, I worked with that guy a lot over that period of time." So is it really that many?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:45 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 37:46 Or is it more?

Chris Williamson 37:47 Mm.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:48 So that probably creates a protective field around the industry, 'cause if everyone's-

Sienna Day 37:50 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 37:51 ... getting tested all the time, it's- I think, I think it's the rise of, like, the rise of the porn industry and the spread of HIV, I think happened at the same time.

Sienna Day 38:00 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 38:00 Oh, really? All right.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:00 Well, that's, that would have been before you had these-

Sienna Day 38:03 I think it, I think the HIV's dropped, hasn't it? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 38:04 Has it gone down?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:06 That's before you had all the protections in place. Well, absolutely. Yeah, imagine that. Like, you've got all these people having sex, high volume sex, like unprotected sex.

Sienna Day 38:13 Someone, um, got HIV this year who was a, a porn star. We have a bit of, um, a three-month break where no one shoots any porn just to make sure it's not spread within the industry.

Chris Williamson 38:23 God.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:23 What, is it like lockdown-

Chris Williamson 38:24 Like if there's an outbreak, everyone has to-

Sienna Day 38:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:26 ... no overtaking?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:27 What, there's a... How do you earn your money if you... Like, in that environment?

Sienna Day 38:29 That's why you've got to have, like, a backlog of content. You've got to be doing-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:32 Or solo.

Sienna Day 38:32 Yeah. (laughs) Or solo.

Chris Williamson 38:34 So-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:34 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:34 That is, that is literally the same, uh, protocol they had for-

Sienna Day 38:38 The health and safety is, like, top notch.

Chris Williamson 38:40 ... H1N1. When H1N1, remember, when-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 38:41 No one could have sex with each other?

Chris Williamson 38:42 The virus, yeah, no one could have sex. But that, you're totally right. So I wanna talk about the, um, the OnlyFans and the admireme.vip stuff as well now.

Sienna Day 38:49 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:49 So has that kind of changed the game for you guys a little bit?

Sienna Day 38:51 Yeah, so like there was a point where I think, like, the companies and the producers, directors, whatever, these people, they had a lot of control over the industry and there was more and more girls coming in and they'd maybe be doing it for lower rates because the European girls would work very cheap 'cause they're from, you know, Budapest and-

Chris Williamson 39:10 Bloody immigrants.

Sienna Day 39:11 ... Prag-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 39:11 Coming over here and sucking our cocks.

Sienna Day 39:14 (laughs) No, like-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 39:15 Not gonna drop us a ploy, you know.

Sienna Day 39:16 This was like in Hungary and Prag is where most of it's shot. But now we've got the opportunity to make a lot more money because we can sell our own stuff now.

Chris Williamson 39:24 So how many-

Sienna Day 39:25 But we've always been able to buy, um, sites like ManyVids and other platform websites. But now it's just, for some reason, these two websites have blown up and made it so much easier for everyone.

Chris Williamson 39:35 So how many fans have you got on your things?

Sienna Day 39:40 Um, I have about 400 on my OnlyFans. And I'm not too sure on my, on my admireme. It's a little less on that website because I started OnlyFans first. I would like to transfer them all over, but it's quite difficult to get them from one to the other.

Chris Williamson 39:55 And how much is it to subscribe to you?

Sienna Day 39:57 Um, 15.99 for OnlyFans and I'm not sure about admireme, I've just changed it the other day. I do offers sales and stuff sometimes though. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 40:06 Link in the show notes below.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:07 Is that... That's monthly, 15.99 a month?

Sienna Day 40:09 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:09 Right. I suppose to transfer people over, you have to get them to resubscribe. People keep on-

Sienna Day 40:12 Yeah, yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:13 ... coming off as free users.

Chris Williamson 40:14 It's so, it's so countless.

Sienna Day 40:14 So it can be quite difficult. And some people prefer certain websites.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:16 Is it countless?

Chris Williamson 40:17 No.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:17 No.

Chris Williamson 40:17 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:18 So how, how often do you get recognized by fans or by, like... Like, does that ever happen in the street, people coming up to you saying-

Sienna Day 40:23 Yeah, quite a bit. Sometimes they'll be a bit shy and they won't want to say it and then they'll message you and you're like, "Oh, shit. Where was I? What did I look like?" (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:29 Oh, okay. It's that worse?

Sienna Day 40:30 And sometimes they'll frantically chase you. Like, in Edinburgh I had a guy just, like, follow me all the way to the hotel, like, "Can I have a picture?"

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:35 Seriously?

Sienna Day 40:35 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:36 Does it, does it intimidate you when people are-

Sienna Day 40:38 No, no. They usually just say I'm excitable.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:41 Okay.

Sienna Day 40:41 Yeah. I haven't really encountered any, like, absolute lunatics.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:45 'Cause something we find is that, like, people who watch podcasts or videos of us, they'll come up to us and because there's a very one-way sense of familiarity, like they know us 'cause they've seen our content, but we don't know who they are and so they're overly familiar with us-

Sienna Day 40:56 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:56 ... but we're just like...

Sienna Day 40:57 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 40:58 And it takes a bit of-

Sienna Day 40:59 I think I'm used to being friendly with strangers 'cause porn.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:01 That's true.

Chris Williamson 41:01 Yeah, that's good.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:02 Unused to. We- we're not very good with strangers.

Chris Williamson 41:04 Do, do people ever come up... Do people ever come up and say, um, like, so with us, good example, someone will say, "Do you remember on episode five-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:11 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:11 ... when you-

Sienna Day 41:12 Three minutes, 33 seconds.

Chris Williamson 41:12 ... when you said, when you, when you spoke about the Pomodoro technique and you said that you do four on, one off, but I do five on, one off."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:20 Uh, do, do people ever come up to you and go, "Do you remember that scene you did? It was with, like, this, this, this person?" And you're thinking, "I did that like half a decade ago. I haven't got a fucking clue."

Sienna Day 41:28 I, I'm supposed to say things I don't, like, don't even remember. Like, someone sent me an Elvis Presley book 'cause apparently I said I liked him once in an interview and I thought, "Have I been saying that?"

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:37 That's very thoughtful of you.

Sienna Day 41:37 When did I say that?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:38 Very thoughtful.

Chris Williamson 41:39 Yeah.

Sienna Day 41:39 And I, and I'm like, "Well that's a really nice gift," but I don't even remember saying it. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:43 Wow.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:43 Hmm.

Chris Williamson 41:43 Small little things like that.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 41:45 Johnny, what we got next? You got some more questions. Yeah. Um, what is the worst thing, what is the worst experience you've had? And what is the best experience you've had?

Sienna Day 41:56 I have... I'm, I'm quite lucky. I've not had too many bad experiences that... When that guy tried to get me to do another scene after Snapchat, I was raging. He called me a psychopath. I was like, "I'm not doing another scene."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 42:04 He sto- he stole from you there, basically.

Chris Williamson 42:05 Yeah.

Sienna Day 42:06 Yeah, he was trying to exploit me and get more for his money. But obviously then you stood your ground. Um, I've had a couple of situations like that. I once had a glamour scene where the guy was trying to sort of like be a bit pesty and, you know, crack on with me, even though it was just glamour photographs. But other than that, everything's been really good. I've been quite lucky. Oh, and the other thing is shooting really, really long days for like 20 hours, it just- 20 hours?

Chris Williamson 42:28 20 hours?

Sienna Day 42:29 Yeah, that's just not for me no more, that type of work.

Chris Williamson 42:32 ... yeah, that's-

Sienna Day 42:33 20, 20 hours.

Chris Williamson 42:33 You need a union. You really need a union.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 42:35 Yeah.

Sienna Day 42:35 Oh, we've got one, and they're fucking mental.

Chris Williamson 42:38 Isn't it-

Sienna Day 42:38 No one really respects them. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 42:39 Is it a union? Tell us, uh, we need to, can we-

Sienna Day 42:40 I'm not gonna mention names for them because... but they're always kicking off on Twitter.

Chris Williamson 42:45 Well, I mean, that's exactly where everyone needs to be, for a union.

Jonny Cox 42:47 That's what they need, isn't it?

Sienna Day 42:47 Because, because the porn people don't see the union as a union, because the union don't actually shoot porn. They're just these people with an opinion.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 42:53 Oh.

Chris Williamson 42:53 Oh, okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 42:53 (laughs)

Sienna Day 42:54 Do you know what I mean?

Jonny Cox 42:55 That's interesting.

Chris Williamson 42:55 That's everyone on the internet, isn't it? Just people with opinions.

Sienna Day 42:57 That is everyone.

Chris Williamson 42:57 They don't actually do anything, they're just a man with a Twitter account.

Jonny Cox 43:00 And a keyboard that can... what, what have you-

Sienna Day 43:02 It's so funny though, reading all this stuff.

Chris Williamson 43:04 So what were... oh, what was the best?

Jonny Cox 43:04 Yeah, what was the best?

Sienna Day 43:05 The best-

Chris Williamson 43:05 What's some of your highlights? Some of your highlights, one that comes to mind.

Sienna Day 43:07 Um...

Chris Williamson 43:08 And why.

Sienna Day 43:10 God, it's hard. I'd really like to do one for Come, Come Louder, 'cause I had some ping pongs up my ass, and I just like doing different things like that, that are a bit creative. I also did one for, like, Lucky Charms.

Chris Williamson 43:18 Ping pong balls or ping pong, um-

Sienna Day 43:20 Just the balls, not the bats.

Chris Williamson 43:21 ... bats.

Jonny Cox 43:21 Okay.

Sienna Day 43:21 Didn't get the bats up there, so I've got three up there. One almost got stuck. I did the same with, um, Lucky Charms, Over The Top Speculum.

Chris Williamson 43:28 The cereal?

Jonny Cox 43:28 Lucky Charms?

Sienna Day 43:28 Yeah. And it's-

Chris Williamson 43:29 They're, they're quite absorbent.

Sienna Day 43:29 ... yeah, there's cereal up my ass.

Jonny Cox 43:30 And, and scrapey as well. Like, it's quite-

Sienna Day 43:32 No, that was some almond milk. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 43:34 (laughs)

Jonny Cox 43:34 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 43:34 Almond milk.

Sienna Day 43:35 And then Oatly oatmeal.

Chris Williamson 43:35 Are you lactose intolerant or is it- (laughs)

Sienna Day 43:37 No, I don't know why I did it with that. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 43:38 Yeah, why did you specify almond milk?

Sienna Day 43:40 (laughs) I think that was gonna be healthier, so... (laughs)

Jonny Cox 43:42 It's fine.

Chris Williamson 43:42 It's sweet. Yeah, it's nice though, yeah.

Sienna Day 43:43 And then, um, what other ones? I did a great Fake Taxi Rebecca Moore.

Narrator 43:47 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 43:47 Michelangelo.

Chris Williamson 43:48 Seen that.

Sienna Day 43:48 I've always had very good scenes with, uh, with him. Fake Taxis have always been fun actually. Um, what else?

Chris Williamson 43:53 Have you done the female one? Have you been a driver for Fake Taxis?

Sienna Day 43:56 No, I haven't actually. There's actually been loads of fucking pornos that have been really, really good. Um, a DP, a DP for Digital Playground, uh, for a Bulldogs thing, that was good.

Chris Williamson 44:05 Why was that good?

Sienna Day 44:05 Danny D is good. Just because it was... it looked really wicked. It just like, it felt good, it looked good, the guys were good. We all really got on. And I-

Chris Williamson 44:15 Right.

Sienna Day 44:15 ... think the best scenes are ones that, like, come out looking wicked. You have a good time, you're laughing, you know, you're all professional, the, the sex is good.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:24 Mm. The, the things like Fake Taxi and like, where it's like fake something.

Sienna Day 44:28 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:29 Obviously that's not a real taxi, but-

Sienna Day 44:30 No, it's a real taxi but it's-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:31 But it's not like-

Sienna Day 44:32 ... it's not an actual normal.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:32 Yeah, it... yeah. But like, all the casting couch stuff.

Sienna Day 44:35 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:36 How is any of that, like, footage from... 'cause presumably you have to have an interview like that at some point, I... or there's gotta be some... or is it like the first time you've had sex with someone?

Sienna Day 44:44 No, but if, if, if you are in a situation where someone said, "Yeah, you need to do a casting couch," I'd say run. 'Cause they're like obviously a-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 44:49 Run.

Sienna Day 44:50 ... yeah, a, a dodgy motherfucker.

Chris Williamson 44:51 Right, okay.

Jonny Cox 44:52 Are they quite exploitative, like, in a-

Sienna Day 44:53 Yeah, so it-

Chris Williamson 44:54 Okay.

Sienna Day 44:54 I think there are some realistic ones like that out there, but I've never come across. I think that's more in the States or-

Chris Williamson 44:59 Right.

Sienna Day 44:59 ... very low budget. You never work for nothing.

Chris Williamson 45:02 So it's-

Sienna Day 45:02 Or you never pay someone. Some girls are paid people. I'm like, "Why are you paying?"

Jonny Cox 45:06 It's why they pay to see it in porn.

Sienna Day 45:07 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 45:08 Wow.

Sienna Day 45:08 Pay for like, their, their casting or whatever, I'm guessing.

Jonny Cox 45:11 Bloody hell.

Chris Williamson 45:11 Yeah, it's people saying that they want X, but expecting X times 10.

Sienna Day 45:15 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 45:15 Right.

Chris Williamson 45:16 Yeah, I understand.

Jonny Cox 45:17 What does your training look like?

Sienna Day 45:20 What type of training are we talking about?

Chris Williamson 45:21 Like her gym routine.

Sienna Day 45:22 Oh, as I was talking about. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 45:24 So we came in, Chris was like, "She's looking shreddy."

Chris Williamson 45:26 FYI.

Sienna Day 45:27 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:27 FYI, if you have a look, like, Sienna, you are in fantastic nick now.

Sienna Day 45:31 Thank you. I'm slouched in the corner.

Chris Williamson 45:32 I know you are, but, like, you've done a lot of work, I think, over... definitely since I've known you. What, last three, four years?

Sienna Day 45:38 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 45:39 Um, in terms of transforming.

Sienna Day 45:40 The biggest I've ever been is probably about a size ten, but I would be little, I'm only five four, so I look quite curvy and I didn't like that, and I had a lot of walk with it. So, um, now I do like weights like five times a week.

Jonny Cox 45:49 Weights five times a week?

Chris Williamson 45:50 Wow. Push plus legs or what?

Sienna Day 45:52 No, I like, um, I do everything separate, so like chest, back-

Jonny Cox 45:56 Juggernaut method.

Sienna Day 45:57 ... arms. I don't like push and pulls.

Chris Williamson 45:59 Play body parts.

Sienna Day 45:59 It co- it confuses me. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 46:00 What about drop sets?

Sienna Day 46:01 I'm like, "What's on this..." Yeah, no, um, super sets.

Jonny Cox 46:04 So, so you do a body part split with super sets five times a week?

Chris Williamson 46:07 I definitely did not expect that answer. I love this.

Sienna Day 46:08 It's three, three to five, but more five.

Jonny Cox 46:11 What's that?

Sienna Day 46:11 'Cause like I'm separating it all at the minute, so I'll be like, if I'm doing three, it's 'cause I'm working.

Chris Williamson 46:16 Okay.

Jonny Cox 46:16 Right.

Sienna Day 46:17 But, yeah, but at the minute I'm doing five.

Jonny Cox 46:18 And so, uh, have, have you got a trainer? Are you following a...

Sienna Day 46:20 Yeah. I'm, I'm with a trainer guy, um, at Bradford, he matches MTK.

Jonny Cox 46:25 Okay. And was that, was that your idea? You were like, "Right, I'm gonna... I'm starting a gym next door."

Sienna Day 46:30 So, at the minute, I'm not seeing him as much, I'm seeing him less, but I'm doing more at the gym because I'm wanting to... everything to be sore separate. But I'll always make sure I see him for my legs, because that's when I can get a bit lazy, if I wanna go a bit heavier.

Jonny Cox 46:41 Is that the standard in the industry of like the, with the, the, the pornstars will lift, will, will lift weights? Or like, do people tr-

Sienna Day 46:47 There's this, there's a small group-

Jonny Cox 46:49 ... like, exercise different weights?

Sienna Day 46:49 ... of girls that are really into the fitness. But then porn is so wide, there's a lot of girls that aren't. But a lot of men love quite big girls actually, so there's like a niche for everything. But me personally, I feel better when I'm in shape.

Chris Williamson 47:01 So you like yourself to look the way that you look.

Sienna Day 47:04 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:04 And you will then source porn that wants you looking that way.

Sienna Day 47:06 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:07 That's... well, it should be. That's gotta-

Sienna Day 47:08 I know.

Chris Williamson 47:08 ... be the best way to do it. Like-

Jonny Cox 47:09 There's no, like, standard-

Chris Williamson 47:10 ... this is how you want to look. There's not like you're-

Sienna Day 47:11 But also just a matter of fitness as well. I mean, when you cowgirl and reverse cowgirl, like, you're like there like this for like five minutes. It's a lot of hard work.

Jonny Cox 47:21 Right. Tricep for 20 hours.

Chris Williamson 47:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Sienna Day 47:23 Not for 20 hours.

Jonny Cox 47:24 Do you do a lot of, like, bench dips to prep for that?

Sienna Day 47:27 I've got a lot better with bench dips at the minute actually. I was quite impressed with them the other day.

Chris Williamson 47:30 Are there any things, any specific porn exercises you do? Like grip strength?

Jonny Cox 47:35 Grip strength? (laughs)

Sienna Day 47:36 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:36 You know, like those, like weighted neck things, that like the bottom-

Sienna Day 47:39 I think I, I reckon I'd be wicked at those.

Chris Williamson 47:41 I reckon you would as well.

Sienna Day 47:42 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:42 I've seen your videos.

Sienna Day 47:43 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:43 Um, so do you... like yeah, do you do anything that is for work?

Sienna Day 47:47 No. Do you know what? I don't do anything work, um, work, what's it called?

Chris Williamson 47:51 Oriented.

Sienna Day 47:52 Oriented.

Chris Williamson 47:53 So what would you... what would, what's that one? Adductors?

Jonny Cox 47:56 Yeah, your back.

Sienna Day 47:56 They do hurt, and yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:58 Hip flexors. But you might have a new... Scun'll do an assessment later on, it's fine.

Sienna Day 48:02 You can't miss an assessment.

Jonny Cox 48:03 (laughs) So is there anyone that you don't tell? That like, like family-

Sienna Day 48:08 It's quite, quite hard not to. (laughs)

Jonny Cox 48:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:10 (laughs)

Sienna Day 48:10 It's quite hard not to. There's hundreds of videos.

Jonny Cox 48:11 Is there anyone in your family or whatever, or like friends that, that you just don't talk about the subject with 'cause like, or are you pretty open?

Sienna Day 48:17 Like don't get me wrong, I'm not always going up to my civilian friends and being like, "Oh, I just got shagged by two men today that blew the load all over my face and blah, blah, blah."

Jonny Cox 48:25 Is that 'cause you're sparing them the like...

Sienna Day 48:27 ... no, not just because there's not re-... You don't always go up to your friends and say what happened in your job. Do you know what I mean?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 48:32 I, I think I do, but I-

Chris Williamson 48:33 (laughs)

Sienna Day 48:33 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 48:33 ... can't help showing a sick sense of, like-

Chris Williamson 48:34 You, you are wrong, like, yeah, that he actually does.

Sienna Day 48:37 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 48:37 Yeah. Yeah, and then, you know-

Sienna Day 48:39 So sometimes it just... It isn't relevant to the conversation. We're going, we're chatting, and it just doesn't come up. But if they say to me, "Oh, what's gone on at work today?" I'm like, "Oh, this w- this is what's happened."

Chris Williamson 48:47 30 days of back-to-back DP, I'm on a train in Prague.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 48:49 Yeah.

Sienna Day 48:49 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 48:49 30 days back-to-back.

Sienna Day 48:50 So if it, if it comes up-

Chris Williamson 48:51 What, what is 30 days of back-to-back DP like?

Sienna Day 48:54 Might not just have been DP. Might have just been DP in all, but it's hard work and your arse all at the end of it needs some, some time off, let's say.

Chris Williamson 49:01 Some TLC.

Sienna Day 49:01 Yeah, some TLC, some, um, mouth to ar- mouth to arse.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:03 Now, what's, what's the... With that, is, is it, like, just you wake up in the morning, "Oh, fuck's sake. Like, I really, I can't be arsed to do that today."

Sienna Day 49:10 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:10 Or do you, do you ever, do you ever have days like that or not?

Sienna Day 49:12 Yeah, but do you know what? Usually once you're on set and, like, you'll maybe get coffee or Red Bull in you and you've been getting your makeup done, you're chatting away and then you're talking about what this scene's gonna be, you kind of get in the mood for it-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:22 Right.

Sienna Day 49:22 ... because you wanna do it.

Chris Williamson 49:23 External accountability, CrossFit model.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:26 You got reprimanded on Twitter recently, you were saying just before we started.

Chris Williamson 49:29 Oh, it happened this weekend.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:30 No? Oh, it wasn't recently.

Sienna Day 49:30 No.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:31 It was 2017.

Chris Williamson 49:32 Oh, okay.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:33 Whatever.

Sienna Day 49:33 We're, we're on good terms again now, and I had my arse all out twice and I blasted someone's number on the internet.

Chris Williamson 49:38 Mm-hmm.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:38 Can you please tell us about that?

Chris Williamson 49:39 David's, yeah, this is such a great story.

Sienna Day 49:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 49:40 I had my arse hole out.

Sienna Day 49:43 So-

Chris Williamson 49:43 'Cause you're allowed arse hole out.

Sienna Day 49:44 Yeah, you are, but it was in my header and it wasn't my full arse hole. So I had, like, this little yellow thong on, and you could see, um-

Chris Williamson 49:50 The rim.

Sienna Day 49:51 ... the rim. The rim, and, uh, yeah, they weren't happy about that, so they kicked me off. So I thought-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 49:55 And the guy, and the guy's number?

Sienna Day 49:57 Yeah, no, the guy kept pestering me and he wouldn't take the hint, so I put his number on the internet, put, "This is my number. Send me nudes." (laughs) So then he reported me so then I got suspended again.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:06 He absolutely blasted-

Chris Williamson 50:06 I'd love to have seen his phone.

Sienna Day 50:07 Yeah. (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:08 That would have been great. Indoctrinated with dick.

Chris Williamson 50:10 Like, that guy's missed a trick by not making a big deal out of it.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:13 He'll have had to get a new SIM card, I think, though. He'd have to-

Chris Williamson 50:15 But, like, you could make a video about it and talk about it.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:17 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:17 Great content, that, wouldn't it?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:18 Viral.

Chris Williamson 50:18 Great content straight away.

Sienna Day 50:19 Yeah, he really annoyed me.

Chris Williamson 50:20 Good.

Sienna Day 50:20 And then accidentally had my arse hole out again. I didn't even realize it was out.

Chris Williamson 50:23 Wait, do you mean accidentally had your arse hole out?

Sienna Day 50:26 (laughs) It was just peeping, saying hello through the thong.

Chris Williamson 50:28 Oh, right.

Sienna Day 50:28 It is discrimination. Some girls must have more visible arse holes than others.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:33 Well, there's people that have been banned from Instagram for having-

Sienna Day 50:35 I've been banned off Instagram too, and Snapchat. They've all kicked me off.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:37 Well, 'cause there's things like, um... Someone had a bit of blood stain on their bed from, from their period and that was... That wa- They got their account banned on Instagram 'cause it was like, um-

Sienna Day 50:46 I have read things though that they, they look into your DMs and stuff as well, and if you're offering certain services-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 50:52 Really?

Sienna Day 50:52 ... they can kick you off for that. So it's not just pictures that they-

Chris Williamson 50:54 Can't solicit through Instagram DMs, can they?

Sienna Day 50:56 Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I think that's what some... Where some girls or guys have gone wrong. I think they're soliciting in DMs.

Chris Williamson 51:02 Mm-hmm.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:02 Same.

Sienna Day 51:02 That's what I've been told, anyway.

Chris Williamson 51:04 Telegram.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:04 Like, Twitter just seems like the wild west.

Sienna Day 51:06 There was one mental guy, right, on Twitter. My friend Eva, she got hers took down. This guy was like, "Ha ha, I'm reporting all you porn stars to Instagram. You're all gonna be taken down and I'm all gonna get you all off the internet." He's n- nutty, I don't know what's happened to him. He seems to have just... Must have got bored. But then, yeah, I think some people are just there that wanted to report, yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:23 He's not doing any other men on the planet a favor, is he, by, by that happening.

Sienna Day 51:26 No, not a single one.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:27 He should get something else to do. Like, do you think someone's interested in him anymore?

Sienna Day 51:29 You get some, like... I have this guy that just messages me saying, "Slag, bimbo," and then he'd be like, "Fucking get on webcam now. Slag, bimbo." I'll show you my emails off him.

Chris Williamson 51:38 Right.

Sienna Day 51:38 He's called Car Fu Man.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:39 Does that happen a lot? Like, do you get haters?

Sienna Day 51:41 Just this one guy, really.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:42 Just the one guy?

Sienna Day 51:42 And he's just been doing it for years.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:44 It's amazing, that.

Chris Williamson 51:44 Like, we've 54 million views. One guy.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:47 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:47 You know what I mean? One hater.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:48 Just the one guy that's-

Chris Williamson 51:48 Unbeli-... You have one hater.

Sienna Day 51:49 Yeah, I don't have many. Usually most people are quite sound, to be fair.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 51:52 It is always a vocal... Like we, we get one guy that always emails us. Like, he's resubscribing to our thing just to be like...

Chris Williamson 51:58 Sends us emails that just say "Fuck off."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:00 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:00 Nothing else. Great. Uh, Johnny, more questions. Um, if you were to be suddenly... Or if you were to s- how do I phrase this? If you were suddenly in charge of the porn industry, what would you change or what would you do differently?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:17 They're great questions.

Chris Williamson 52:18 Yeah, they are.

Sienna Day 52:18 Um, yeah. They're a lot of thought put into these, aren't there?

Chris Williamson 52:21 (laughs)

Sienna Day 52:21 I was feeling like, "What's your favorite position?" (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:24 (laughs)

Sienna Day 52:24 Um, what would I change? I don't know, you know. It's, it's a tough one. There's quite a f- a few things that do need to change within it. I'd, I'd probably just say better rates for the performers is the, is, is the main one.

Chris Williamson 52:36 Right. Okay.

Sienna Day 52:36 But that's sort of been, like, resolved itself with these sites like OnlyFans and AdmiMe.

Chris Williamson 52:42 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 52:42 'Cause that was the main issue is the low rates because of the piracy.

Chris Williamson 52:45 Right.

Sienna Day 52:45 So piracy was quite a big issue for us.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:47 Right.

Chris Williamson 52:47 And then streaming came in.

Sienna Day 52:49 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 52:49 That's... Streaming, like, pornhub.com is Spotify for artists, Pornhub for porn stars, isn't it?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:55 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 52:55 Like, they get paid so... such low-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 52:57 Right.

Chris Williamson 52:58 Previously, you'd have to have bought the album to listen to the music.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 53:01 Can, can anyone upload to Pornhub? You can s- or is there only-

Sienna Day 53:04 So this is a relatively new thing, this, this ModelHub that they do. Before, we didn't used to get anything from them.

Chris Williamson 53:09 Right.

Sienna Day 53:09 We didn't used to get a penny. But now we can make our own, um, model profile and we can... So people can find our profiles, then pay, and we can get money from it. But before, we couldn't have that. So say if they paid you so and so money for a scene, that's all you got off them. And it wouldn't be off Pornhub, it'd be from the company who you worked for, and then Pornhub sold the content. So they won't-

Chris Williamson 53:29 So Pornhub is...

Sienna Day 53:30 So PornHub is like a bit like, um, LimeWire or PutLocker.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 53:33 Oh, right.

Chris Williamson 53:33 Back in the day. That's interesting.

Sienna Day 53:34 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:34 But now-

Sienna Day 53:34 That's what they're like.

Chris Williamson 53:35 Now-

Sienna Day 53:36 But now, now they're wanting you on side because you're making your own money.

Chris Williamson 53:38 Yeah, 'cause it's more in your hands now.

Sienna Day 53:39 Yeah, so that-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 53:40 You've got the agency over you and-

Sienna Day 53:41 So i- it, it's changing for the good, I'd say.

Chris Williamson 53:43 I don't know whether you've seen, but on Pornhub now, they can Meta tag the characters or the actors and actresses within porn, uh, videos. So it'll be like, "In this particular video, this person, this person, this person, this person."

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 53:56 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:57 And then from that, you follow through and it's got a bio of, like, each-

Sienna Day 54:01 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:01 ... particular performer.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:02 Profile.

Chris Williamson 54:02 And then within that, it's all of the most recently uploaded videos. And then-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:06 Oh, right. So like artist pages.

Chris Williamson 54:08 ... there must be... Yeah.

Sienna Day 54:09 Yeah, you, you can upload-

Chris Williamson 54:09 And there must be ad revenue.

Sienna Day 54:10 ... your own videos now, sort of. Um, I'm trying to get my two pages linked at the minute, and then I'll upload all my homemade porn onto Pornhub and get paid for that now.

Chris Williamson 54:17 Right. Do you know... Is it... Is that kind of similar to, like, YouTube ad revenue type thing? Like, just watching stuff to-

Sienna Day 54:21 I've no idea about that.

Chris Williamson 54:22 Got you, okay. How... Do you ever get exposed to, like... Because presumably you're in a world where, like, there's a line.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:29 ... and then shit gets really illegal-

Chris Williamson 54:31 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:31 ... really quickly. Do you know what I mean?

Chris Williamson 54:33 Are we talking about in person?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:35 I mean, I, I just mean, like, the sex industry on the internet. Like, when you're talking about sex on the internet, there's the legal side of it-

Chris Williamson 54:41 Mm-hmm.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:41 ... and then there's the illegal side of it where people are getting arrested for having images and videos that they shouldn't have. Underage stuff.

Chris Williamson 54:48 Okay.

Sienna Day 54:48 Oh, God. Yeah, I've never encountered any of that.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:50 I just assume there's... You seem really confused.

Chris Williamson 54:53 I don't know what you're trying to say.

Sienna Day 54:55 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 54:55 Just how, like how, is, is there any reference to that? Like, do people acknowledge it or talk about it or is it-

Sienna Day 55:00 That's nothing to do with, like... Even though that's called pornography, that is not pornography.

Chris Williamson 55:06 Totally separate things?

Sienna Day 55:06 Yeah. We've got legal contracts, we're all tested, everyone's-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:10 'Cause there's people, like, ID checks and all that stuff.

Sienna Day 55:10 ... everyone's willing, we'll do videos at the beginning saying, "I'm Sienna Dayer, I'm sober, and I'm willing to do a scene," and no one's saying-

Chris Williamson 55:16 Oh, shit, yeah, you don't have to do that at the beginning of everything, right?

Sienna Day 55:18 Yeah. So, yeah. Well, for most of them. So that sort of stuff isn't pornography. That's people exploiting certain-

Chris Williamson 55:25 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 55:26 ... certain situations and then calling it pornography. Do you know what I mean?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:29 'Cause in, I suppose in the, like, in media, like films and things like that, they portray some of it as girls who are taking drugs and-

Sienna Day 55:34 There's not a set go- there's not, there's not a set going on there with underage girls or whatever is getting done. It's someone exploiting them to film it on the sly, isn't it? You know, I mean, it's not business.

Chris Williamson 55:42 You mean as well... You also mean, like, sex workers and stuff like that, or people that are down on money and-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:46 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 55:46 ... then they're just doing stuff for, like, 20 quid-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 55:49 ... and someone's got their phone out.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:50 I just, I suppose, like, I, I imagine that there's a-

Sienna Day 55:53 But it's kind of like-

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 55:53 ... there must be this thing of like, we need to make everything 100% legal all the time, more than other industries.

Sienna Day 55:59 They're actually trying to make everything 100% illegal.

Chris Williamson 56:01 (laughs)

Sienna Day 56:01 Squirting, talking-

Chris Williamson 56:03 Oh. (laughs)

Sienna Day 56:03 ... slapping. They're going the other way.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 56:05 Right.

Sienna Day 56:05 They're trying to fucking make it all illegal.

Chris Williamson 56:06 Is this why you're filming in Prague a lot?

Sienna Day 56:08 (gasps)

Chris Williamson 56:08 Or is that just 'cause that's where the good production company is?

Sienna Day 56:10 Yeah. That's just where the, um, a lot of production goes on for some rea-... Actually, it's Budapest now. Prague's gone, gone down hill, I guess. They, they don't want to shoot there as much. I guess it's just 'cause it's cheap, there's a lot of stunning girls there. It just seems to work out. I don't know, just how it is.

Jonny Cox 56:23 So you, have you got a YouTube channel or a podcast? Like, would, would, would you ever do non-porn content, um, and then, like, take people over to... Like, so, where YouTube, like, you're not allowed to do anything that's, you know, against their terms.

Sienna Day 56:36 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 56:37 But then, like, build a following on there and then move people over?

Sienna Day 56:39 Yeah, yeah. It's definitely something I'd look into, but you've just got to be so careful. And when you're so used to being in porn it's kind of like-

Chris Williamson 56:45 (laughs) Oh, oh.

Sienna Day 56:45 ... like I said to you the other day, I'm like, "What can I say and what can I not say? Like, can I swear? Can I say this or do that?"

Chris Williamson 56:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sienna Day 56:50 It's quite hard to sort of, like-

Jonny Cox 56:51 Would you get demonetized for saying sexual stuff on-

Chris Williamson 56:54 So this, there's n- mate, there is not a cat in hell's chance that this episode's going to be monetized.

Jonny Cox 56:58 Right. Interesting.

Chris Williamson 56:58 I got demonetized for doing a video with the people that did a documentary about Madeleine McCann.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:03 Really? Right.

Jonny Cox 57:03 Wow.

Chris Williamson 57:03 Yeah. So there you go.

Jonny Cox 57:04 Okay.

Chris Williamson 57:05 Um, yeah. Given the choice between doing a podcast or doing YouTube and getting the exposure off that, and just getting shagged for a day and putting it on Pornhub, I'm gonna guess Pornhub's gonna drive you a little bit more traffic. So until there was a period where you were like, "Right, I r- this, I got something really fucking good to talk about on a podcast here." (laughs)

Sienna Day 57:22 It, it's, um, yeah. It's, it's, I think it's good to have a load of different ways to bring traffic in because you never know what's going to happen to one thing. You could just drop.

Jonny Cox 57:28 It's probably a great source of traffic. 'Cause like, if, if you had a YouTube channel, it's a different audience.

Sienna Day 57:30 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 57:30 And I imagine it would, like... Like you, if, if you just did, like, a series of Q&As with a porn star-

Sienna Day 57:35 Yeah.

Jonny Cox 57:35 ... I imagine you'd have loads of people that are interested in, like, "What is your life like?" Well, the same, the same questions you asked earlier.

Sienna Day 57:39 Yeah. Well, that's how I got into porn was a YouTube channel.

Jonny Cox 57:42 Was it?

Sienna Day 57:42 Yeah. That's what I seen it on.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:44 See, I, honestly, I, I really, really think that these are the people to take you online.

Chris Williamson 57:50 (laughs)

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:50 How to get into porn, how to prep for anal, how to suck a dick.

Sienna Day 57:54 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:55 All... You know, all of it.

Sienna Day 57:56 Guys, let's join forces.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:57 We've got a team here.

Chris Williamson 57:58 Let's create a product.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 57:58 Like, we've got video editing, high production.

Chris Williamson 58:00 Lighting.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:01 YouTube experts. Like, there's... What more could you want?

Chris Williamson 58:03 Great refreshments.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:04 There's more, there's more stuff on Netflix, I feel like, lately.

Chris Williamson 58:07 Oh, When Porn Ends.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:09 Have you heard of them? Yeah, I feel like-

Chris Williamson 58:09 Have you seen When Porn Ends?

Sienna Day 58:10 Yeah, yeah. I've seen all them.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:11 I feel like it's gone from being taboo to, like-

Sienna Day 58:13 Well, you bear in mind, it's gonna be... They're not gonna get someone mega successful to do When Porn Ends, are they? You know?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:19 'Cause porn would still be going.

Sienna Day 58:20 (laughs) So they're not gonna get someone-

Chris Williamson 58:21 Jenna Jameson at 65 still going away.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:25 Do y- do you have a-

Sienna Day 58:26 You're probably just not gonna be interested. You're like, "I've done well for myself. Why do I have to answer this random documentary? I don't have to." So... But the people that are, are maybe a little bit... I'm not gonna say bitter, 'cause I've, I can't even remember the full thing, but-

Chris Williamson 58:37 Mm-hmm.

Sienna Day 58:37 ... maybe they're a little bit more upset with the industry and are gonna want their voices heard, aren't they?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:40 Mm-hmm. Got a bit of a cast crew.

Sienna Day 58:41 Yeah.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:41 Is there, is there, like, an age? Like, is there, like, if you're a professional sportsman you can, like, play up to an age?

Sienna Day 58:46 No. I've done scenes with mega old people.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:49 Right. W- what's the oldest person you've had sex with?

Sienna Day 58:51 Pretty old. Like, they-

Chris Williamson 58:53 What we talking? Like, 50? 60?

Sienna Day 58:54 No, more s- 60, I'd say. Grandpa does teens. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:58 Grandpa does teens?

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 58:59 God.

Sienna Day 58:59 (laughs) And Grandma.

Host (Propane Fitness co-host) 59:00 So you get Grandpa and Grandma?

Chris Williamson 59:02 So