Modern WisdomWhy Do People Lie About Their Relationships? - Daniel Sloss
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(wind blowing) Ladies and gentlemen,…
- CWChris Williamson
(wind blowing) Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Sloss.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Hey. It's me.
- CWChris Williamson
They've let you over the border from Scotland into England.
- DSDaniel Sloss
I know. Well, I mean, is Newcastle really England?
- CWChris Williamson
I'm not sure.
- DSDaniel Sloss
'Cause like my support act and best friend over the years here, clam, 'cause he's from, eh, Newcastle and it's just ... There's always ... There's a genuine affiliation between the Geordies and the Scot's where we're just like-
- CWChris Williamson
Kind of.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. I mean, you're all, you're pretty much scot- 'cause we're ... Like you hit the south as much as we do. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Absolutely.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And anything that's below Leeds is southern.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Yeah. Southern softies.
- CWChris Williamson
Exactly.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Agreed. What's super interesting, when I speak to Americans, they don't know that there is an actual wall between Scotland and England.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
So they don't know that Hadrian's Wall is a thing.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
They're like, "You watch Game of Thrones right?" "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
"The, you know the wall, like, that actually exists. It's a bit smaller and it's kind of ruins."
- DSDaniel Sloss
Much smaller. Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
"But it's actually there." "No way, man."
- DSDaniel Sloss
There's two, eh, that, and the, uh, Antonine Wall as well.
- CWChris Williamson
That's a man who knows his background. So when I sometimes have to do my research for guests-
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... I interview a guy who understands the, the foremost intellect on alien civilizations. And I'll be like, "Oh, bloody hell, I'm gonna have to sink my teeth into this."
- DSDaniel Sloss
Die.
- CWChris Williamson
The research for yourself was watching your Netflix specials.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Great fun.
- 15:00 – 30:00
I was, I was…
- DSDaniel Sloss
a grandchild from your other kids, I don't care. I've, I don't owe you anything. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
I was, I was at my business partner's wedding a few years ago, him and his missus have been together since they were 20, they are the exact opposite, the polar opposite of my situation.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Just about to have their second child and they've got two dogs and it is like the white picket fence, the British-
- DSDaniel Sloss
Ah, yes.
- CWChris Williamson
... white picket fence equivalent. I'm at his wedding and we've been there for the weekend, it's been beautiful and everything's amazing and the family's got on and the service was fantastic and this, that and the other. As I'm driving away I can see his mum and a couple of her family members just looking at me as I drove past. And I could just see in their eyes they were thinking, "You're next." And I wound the window down and I was like, "Won't be soon." (laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And just drove off. And I'm like, there are, there are different paths in love life for different people.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Mm-hmm. Like, and, uh, yeah. I, so some of us, don't get me wrong, I, this ... I'm an absolute romantic. Like I, I wanna, I wanna be a dad more than anything in the world, I really, really do. And I wanna get married, I wanna have kids and I want that. I just don't think I have to do it before I'm 30 and I don't think ... I think I'm not looking for it at all. Like, I'm thoroughly enjoying, you know, 'cause I'm not being in a relationship and not being a dad means I can be selfish as shit at the moment.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- DSDaniel Sloss
I can travel as much as I travel for my job, I can really focus on ... And one day that will change. One day some goddamn woman is going to come in my life and just be perfect and I'm gonna go, "You motherfucker."
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
"Goddamn it."
- CWChris Williamson
"I didn't realize that I was writing all of these routines, and it was you-"
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh-
- CWChris Williamson
"... that's gonna come in."
- DSDaniel Sloss
And the, and the fucking hypocrisy-
- CWChris Williamson
Oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
... that's ... Come on. See when I get into a fucking relationship, my fans are gonna be like, "You fucking what?"
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
And I'm like, "I know-"
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
"... I'm sorry. She made me fall in love with her."
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
"I'm one of ... I didn't mean to ..." Blame her. Look at her with her fucking perfect little laugh that for some reason makes me feel warm inside, all that. Yeah, I'm gonna be a hypocrite. I'm gonna be an absolute hypocrite. But no, but I also won't be, because I ne- I'm not against relationships, I'm against fake relationships. And the more fake relationships that exist you are ... It's, it's, it's a disease. Like, 'cause you'll sit there and go, "I'm so happy. I'm so happy in this relationship." And you're not, but you'll lie to your friends that are single and go, "I'm so happy with Jonathan." Or, "I'm so happy with Claire." And they'll go, "Fucking hell, they get through it. They hate each other and they get through it."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
"You ... That's what we must, must do." And you sat, you just go, "Fucky, I this person, I'll change who I am." You know, everyone says it takes work. Why? Why does it have to take work? Like, if you've got kids, absolutely. Like, if it's ... But when you're just starting out, like, man, if I had a r- This, uh, this might sound insane and that's because I am. If I, if, if I'm in a relationship and we have one argument in that first year, bye. (claps)
- CWChris Williamson
Yep.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Like, uh, like, uh ... And oh, we can have disagreements, like-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- 30:00 – 45:00
World just comes crashing…
- DSDaniel Sloss
men that are like six foot five, look like they used to be in prison, heavily tattooed, b- and this sm- like this 13-year-old girl goes, "You're my dad now?" And he breaks down.
- CWChris Williamson
World just comes crashing down.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Oh man, it destroys me. I love it. So good.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, links to everything will be in the show notes below if you want to have a nice cry at some point soon.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Oh do it. It's like I always- I do try for so many years, I repressed it so much of like not letting s- It's like bleeding a radiator.
- CWChris Williamson
You're like a fucking-
- DSDaniel Sloss
Like-
- CWChris Williamson
... empathy junkie now, aren't you?
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Oh, man, it's just like skydiving. Just be like, "What else can we fucking cry."
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Give me, give me another line of dogs meeting their owners, yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
I've, I've never been on a plane and not watched The Blind Side and sobbed.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
My ... For any international flight, I'm like, "If fucking Blind Side is on this, I'm, I'm Sandra Bullock. Look, um, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a very upper w- upper class, wealthy woman and I want to, uh, adopt and save a Black child, uh, to play American football," which is a sport I have no interest in. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
I love it, but I get ... I, oh man, I love crying now.
- CWChris Williamson
I think, uh, you know, there may be some people out there who can, uh, empathize with our empathy. And one of the-
- DSDaniel Sloss
God, they're weak.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah. (laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
Much stuck to me there, just yeah, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Fucking hell.
- DSDaniel Sloss
If you're more empathetic than I am.
- CWChris Williamson
Wow. I know, um, one of the problems that, that, that occurs off the back of that is being able to break up with someone. You alluded to it earlier on where you said that you were terrified that you were just gonna end somebody's world.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And the understanding the reality that other people will be fine, they're gonna be okay.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah. Oh, they'll be sad, but ... And that's because breakups are always sad.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- DSDaniel Sloss
They just are. Even if it's a bad relationship, that person was part of your life and they were the big, big part of your life, and they're not. And you're losing. When you lose, when you break up with someone, you're losing a part of yourself there, you know. It, it, it's just always gonna be sad. Like even if you've been with someone for fucking three months, they were a great three months, or they were ... But you spent so much time thinking about it, it's the closing of a chapter. Like-
- CWChris Williamson
And there's a, there's a recency bias as well, right? That it's difficult to remember what life was like before someone. You can be with someone for, you know, three to six months.
- 45:00 – 49:46
(laughs) …
- DSDaniel Sloss
fuck, he sucked. I hate him. I was so annoyed.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
And I ... and in hindsight, I know he was ... to everything he was doing, he was just trying to get my atten- And my parents said this to me all the time. They were like, "He's just trying to annoy you as- because it's the only time you ever pay him attention."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- DSDaniel Sloss
"He doesn't care if you're yelling at him or being mean to him. You're his older brother, and he loves you, and he wants you to pay attention to him, even if it's yelling."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- DSDaniel Sloss
"So just be nice to him, and he'll not annoy you." And I would go, "La, la, la, la, la, la, la. I'm 13, I know much fucking better." Um, but he was a g- he was an evil little fucking genius, man. To this day, my mother doesn't believe this story, and I fucking swear to God it's true.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
Matthew used to carry round, uh, a bucket full of dummies, right? He loved- loved his dummies. Like, he called them me's. Couldn't say dummy, uh, whether ... you know, he just couldn't say ... he- he called them his me's, and he had this bucket full of me's. And he would just walk around like a f- you know, and he would ... every minute he would change it to a Thomas the Tank Engine one, to a Peppa Pig, to fucking whatever. He'd have this bucket full of me's. One day, I'm sat down, uh, watching TV, and he- he walks into the room, just his fucking big, fat tod- toddler ba- belly hanging out. I think he's two and a half at this point. And he sees me, and I'm like, "Here we fucking go." Like, uh, like, he's gonna do something to annoy me, and I'm gonna push him over because I'm a horrible big brother. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
And he comes up to me, and he takes his- he takes his dummy out of his mouth, and he hands it to me. And I'm ... you know, and my mom and dad have always been like, "Could you be nicer to your brother?" And I was like, "Oh, okay. He- that's something nice."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- DSDaniel Sloss
"I'll positively reinforce this behavior." So he gave me the dummy. I was like, "Thank you very much, Matthew. That's very, very kind of you." And I go back to watching TV, and he stands there for like two minutes just calculating, right? And I know you'd be like, "Two-year-old can't calculate." He fucking calculated, man.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
He saw all the cogs just thinking, thinking. And then he gave me the full bucket of all the other dummies, and I was like, "Thank you, Matthew. This is very, very kind of you." And then he took in a huge inhaler breath and screamed the fucking house down.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
My mom comes in to me holding his dummy and his buckets of dummies-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
... while he's fucking crying, right? And she's like, "Why did you do ... " I'm like, "I t- he gave them to me."
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
She's like, "Why is he crying then?" And I'm like, "You fucking little shit."
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- DSDaniel Sloss
Um, and she still doesn't believe that. I swear to God that is true. He's a hor- ... I love him though. I mean, I loved him then. But yeah. Yeah, that was-
- CWChris Williamson
Labor of love.
- DSDaniel Sloss
Yeah, yeah. That was my- that was ... yeah. So I've wr- started writing comics, um, on it. I was- I was terrible at drawing. I just ... I liked doing anything to make my parents laugh when I was young. When I was more-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm. What's the pregnant washing machine? Or the- the- the-
- DSDaniel Sloss
Uh-
- CWChris Williamson
... pregnant washing up story?
- DSDaniel Sloss
So when, uh, my mother was pregnant with, uh, I think it was Jack. It was either Jack or Matthew. This is my father's third or fourth child at this point, right? So my mom's eight months pregnant and, uh, she- she doesn't fucking snap. My dad's e- my dad's l- not maliciously lazy. He's just sometimes f- forgetful or just a bit like ... he- he works all day when he comes home, he doesn't want to necessarily, you know, do something. But he's got no legs to stand on 'cause my mom works all day and still does chores around the fucking house, so she's in the right. And she's also pregnant at this point in her life. So she sort of goes to my dad and she's like, "Can you just be a bit more useful? I know you're, you know, just be a bit ..." I'm fucking pregnant. There's some stuff I physically can no longer do anymore. Like I fu- like ...
- CWChris Williamson
Eight months pregnant is like y- You're like a globe.
Episode duration: 49:46
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