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Why You Should Spend All Of Your Money Before You Die - Bill Perkins

Bill Perkins is a hedge fund manager, high stakes poker player, film producer and an author. What if the true path to financial fulfilment doesn’t lie in saving every penny, but rather in spending it as effectively as you can? Delayed gratification in the extreme results in no gratification, and Bill's book Die With Zero is one of the best financial philosophies I've ever come across. Expect to learn how to maximise your existence for positive life experiences, why you should give your kids their inheritance when they're 30, the most common errors people make about money, why it’s so hard for some of us to spend, the brilliant concept of ‘consumption smoothing’, what Sigmamode grindset-ers are getting wrong about work-life balance, how to plan your life in terms of seasons and much more... Sponsors: Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 15% discount on Mud/Wtr at http://mudwtr.com/mw (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 10% discount on your first month from BetterHelp at https://betterhelp.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Buy Die With Zero - https://amzn.to/3MU4q99 Follow Bill on Twitter - https://twitter.com/bp22 Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #money #finance #wealth - 00:00 Intro 00:21 How Bill is Saving Lives 09:35 Maximise Positive Life Experiences 20:12 What Most People Misunderstand About Money 28:06 Can You Delay Gratification Too Much? 38:40 What is ‘Consumption Smoothing?’ 46:13 Is the Sigma Grind Mindset Healthy? 56:53 Bill’s Tactics for Enhancing His Life 1:05:01 How to Die with Zero 1:11:38 Making the Most of Having Children 1:15:24 How to Know if You’re Living on Autopilot 1:26:25 Knowing When You Should Stop 1:33:39 Giving Money to Kids & Charity Early 1:45:07 Advice to Risk-Averse People 1:50:14 Where to Find Bill - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Bill PerkinsguestChris Williamsonhost
Jun 17, 20231h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:20

    Wasting your life vs. running out of money: the core fear

    Bill explains that the real danger isn’t dying broke, it’s dying with unused “tokens” from a life spent optimizing net worth instead of fulfillment. He introduces the idea of life as an optimization problem with three variables: wealth, health, and time.

    • Fear of wasting life as the motivation behind the book
    • “Unused Chuck E. Cheese tokens” as a metaphor for unspent life energy
    • Wealth, health, and time as the core resources
    • Shift from maximizing net worth to maximizing fulfillment
  2. 0:20 – 5:39

    "I wrote the book to save lives": death as the wake-up call

    Chris asks what Bill means by saving lives, and Bill ties it to helping people get more meaningful experiences before they die. He frames saving a drowning person as giving them more moments—more love, more walks, more memories—rather than immortality.

    • Saving a life = enabling more experiences, not preventing death forever
    • Writing as an antidote to “drowning in the bullshit”
    • Using mortality to create urgency and clarity
    • Fulfillment as the practical outcome of time reclaimed
  3. 5:39 – 9:33

    A friend’s cancer story and the “vacation that ends” mindset

    Bill recounts a friend’s husband’s sudden cancer diagnosis and death, emphasizing how an imminent deadline clarifies priorities. He argues most people act like life’s vacation never ends, defaulting to autopilot rather than deliberate living.

    • Sudden terminal illness forces priority reordering
    • Everyone’s story ends; only the timeline differs
    • Autopilot helps function but leads to survival-mode living
    • Memento mori as a behavior-change catalyst
  4. 9:33 – 13:18

    Principle 1 — Maximize positive life experiences (define the score)

    Bill defines experiences as the sum of choices that create fulfillment, with no single “right” version of a good life. The aim is to deliberately optimize for positive experiences, regardless of whether they’re adventurous, charitable, or simple.

    • Life = sum of choices; fulfillment emerges from chosen experiences
    • People vary: chess, swimming, travel, charity, hedonism
    • Create a shared metric: maximize positive life experiences
    • Trade-offs among wealth/health/time depend on the person
  5. 13:18 – 16:32

    Getting off autopilot: figuring out what you actually want

    They explore why many people can’t answer “what do you want?” Bill argues that culture and marketing shape preferences, and intentionality requires active reflection. Autopilot is comfortable but can trap people in inherited scripts rather than chosen lives.

    • Most people struggle to identify genuine desires
    • Culture as “marketing” and inherited programming
    • Autopilot vs. prefrontal-cortex intentional thinking
    • Trauma often breaks autopilot and triggers re-evaluation
  6. 16:32 – 20:09

    Life energy, ordering problems, and the Tetris model of life seasons

    Bill introduces “life energy” as finite functional time and compares life planning to Tetris: you can do many things, but only if you place them in the right order. Some experiences expire—miss the window and you can’t reclaim them.

    • Time is the irrecoverable resource; money is adaptable
    • Prioritization example: visit grandma now, cards with friends later
    • Tetris analogy: you must get the order right
    • Aptitude declines (wakeboarding example) so timing matters
  7. 20:09 – 28:03

    What people misunderstand about money: tools aren’t the house

    Money is framed as a tool (like hammers and saws) meant to build the “house” of happiness, not something to hoard for its own sake. Bill explains why people get attached to the number in their account and lose sight of what it’s for.

    • Money is a tool; fulfillment is the output
    • Collecting tools vs. building the house (happiness)
    • Ego and identity attached to account balances
    • Abstraction makes people forget money’s purpose
  8. 28:03 – 37:11

    Invest in experiences early: memory dividends vs. compounding returns

    Bill argues that experiences pay a “memory dividend” each time you recall and share them, compounding over time like interest. He contrasts this with financial compounding and explains how your personal discount rate rises with age—eventually making delay irrational.

    • Memory dividends compound through recall and storytelling
    • Start early to maximize lifetime dividends of experiences
    • Personal discount rate increases as time horizon shortens
    • Regret example: skipping youthful backpacking in Europe
  9. 37:11 – 38:39

    Principle — Die with zero: don’t trade life hours for unused money

    Bill defends the title idea: if you exchange life hours for money you never spend, you’ve wasted life by definition. The goal isn’t reckless spending, but aligning earned money with purposeful use before time and health remove your ability to enjoy it.

    • Working for unspent money is wasted life energy
    • “Use your tickets before you leave” metaphor
    • Die with zero as an optimization target, not a slogan
    • Spending should map to fulfillment across life stages
  10. 38:39 – 46:11

    Consumption smoothing: borrow from your richer future self

    They explain consumption smoothing as shifting resources across time to match when experiences are most valuable. Bill notes most people over-save for retirement even though spending usually drops with age due to changing bodies, tastes, and energy.

    • Young-you vs. future richer-you framing
    • Over-saving can mean starving early life to fund late-life surplus
    • Data: older people tend not to spend; net worth often keeps rising
    • Earning power rises while ability/willingness to spend declines
  11. 46:11 – 56:51

    Is the sigma grind / FIRE extreme a trap? Macro delayed gratification can become “no gratification”

    Chris asks about “monk mode” and grind culture; Bill likens it to going to jail for money—an unbalanced bet that sacrifices irreplaceable seasons. They distinguish useful micro delayed gratification from harmful macro postponement of life-defining experiences.

    • Extreme grind as “go to jail for money” analogy
    • Delayed gratification works in micro; fails when it erases seasons
    • Life phases ‘die’ (single-you, young-parent-you) and don’t return
    • Regret and conflict from cramming missed fun into wrong life buckets
  12. 56:51 – 1:02:19

    Planning tools and life design tactics: assistants, ideation, and deliberate novelty

    Bill describes outsourcing logistics and using planning systems to avoid cookie-cutter living. He shares how curated novelty (like unexpectedly loving luxury train travel) becomes part of the model—then gets scheduled into the right age window.

    • Use planning tools: calendars, helpers, travel planners, ideation sessions
    • Remove minutiae to create bandwidth for experiences
    • Novel experiences expand identity beyond your “bubble”
    • Even fun can become autopilot—re-evaluate timing and fit
  13. 1:02:19 – 1:11:31

    Health spending, longevity trade-offs, and estimating your death date

    They discuss spending money to protect future experiences via health—trainers, chefs, diagnostics—while avoiding time-sink longevity fads with low fulfillment ROI. Bill advocates using actuarial tables and continuously updating assumptions rather than pretending life is endless.

    • Health spending as a high-ROI enabler of future experiences
    • Example: chef + trainer coordination to automate good nutrition
    • Rejecting time-costly longevity protocols if net fulfillment drops
    • Actuarial tables and “countdown” reminders to create urgency
  14. 1:11:31 – 1:26:22

    Kids, relationships, and autopilot: prioritizing what expires first

    Bill admits he’s often gotten the order wrong with parenting and emphasizes prioritizing the years kids still want you (roughly before early teens). He shares practical tactics (like being the driver) to create time for connection and avoid drifting into default routines.

    • Parenting seasons: the ‘want to be with you’ window closes
    • Regrets from choosing work/travel over small moments
    • Tactical hack: driving time as built-in connection time
    • Autopilot shows up most in major life areas (dating, kids, location)
  15. 1:26:22 – 1:40:20

    Knowing when to stop working—and giving to kids & charity early

    Bill says “when to stop” is personal, but a warning sign is work consuming life after survival needs are met. He argues inheritances should be timed for impact (often 25–33), and charity should be given when it can save lives now—not as a posthumous tip.

    • Stop when work interferes with life and adds no meaningful experiences
    • Define “enough” by mapping desired experiences to costs
    • Give to kids when it changes their life trajectory, not at 60
    • Charity now: urgency, compounding human impact, moral clarity
  16. 1:40:20 – 1:52:55

    Take big risks early: recover faster, learn more, and ignore the haters

    Bill argues risks are asymmetric when young: fewer obligations, faster recovery, and more time to reorient after failures. He ends with a strong message that fear of judgment traps people in cookie-cutter lives, and that failed attempts can still be heroic and meaningful.

    • Youth = more recoverability, fewer pooled obligations
    • Risks aren’t only financial: love, moves, adventures, vulnerability
    • People love others’ failure because it validates their cowardice
    • Call to action: don’t waste life trying to avoid judgment

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