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David Friedberg: The Billionaire Entrepreneur Who Wants To Save Planet Earth

No more small boy spreadsheets, build your business on the free HubSpot CRM: https://mfmpod.link/hrd - Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) sits down with David Friedberg (@Friedberg) to talk about ambition, what he learned from the founders of Google, and how he's aiming to change the world by 3D printing drinks with his latest startup, Cana. — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire global talent (like Shaan does) and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than their US equivalents. — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth 💰 Pitch your startup for a shot at a $1M investment with Sam Parr as the MC https://clickhubspot.com/pitch ----- Links: 📧: Sign up for The Hustle Daily Newsletter: https://link.chtbl.com/Nayq0gjg 🎙️: Download Our Podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/u4GeRlYV A podcast where we brainstorm new business ideas based on trends & opportunities we see in the market. Sometimes we have famous guests, and they do it with us. * https://www.cana.com/ ----- Show Notes: (00:00) - Dave's background (10:30) - What Dave learned from the founders of Google (16:30) - Why many people have trouble thinking big (31:30) - Dave's new company, Cana

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Mar 3, 20221h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 2:27

    TPB's Mission and Sustainability Through Technology

    David Friedberg opens by describing TPB's work on changing systems of production so things can be made with less energy, land and resources. He argues sustainability comes from technology that lets people consume more at lower price and impact, not from convincing them to consume less.

    • •TPB's work centers on changing systems of production on Earth
    • •Sustainability won't come from convincing consumers to consume less
    • •Technology lets consumers consume more while dropping price and environmental impact
    • •Factory technology shrinks, gets faster and cheaper over time
  2. 2:27 – 4:49

    From Berkeley Astrophysics to Investment Banking

    Shaan Puri recaps Friedberg's career, then asks how an investment banker became the "Sultan of Science." Friedberg explains his astrophysics background, his disillusionment with long research projects, and the dotcom-era pull toward Silicon Valley.

    • •Career recap: Google, Climate Corporation, Metromile, and TPB as a foundry
    • •Studied astrophysics at Berkeley and interned at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab
    • •Found years-long research projects without results disparaging
    • •Dotcom boom drew him to a tech investment banking analyst job, helped by his poker experience
  3. 4:49 – 6:34

    Early Startups: Telebomb.com and Kadanga

    Friedberg talks about his failed college telecom-services idea and the research Q&A site he built himself before Google. That site made money and helped him land the Google job.

    • •Telebomb.com, later InPhone Services, never got off the ground
    • •He keeps the business plan in his office as a reminder
    • •Taught himself PHP, JavaScript, HTML, CSS and MySQL to build Kadanga
    • •Kadanga used AdWords to find users and helped him get hired at Google
  4. 6:34 – 9:03

    Blind Ambition and Impact Over Money

    Puri asks whether young Friedberg would have been amazed by his later success. Friedberg says he'd probably have been disappointed, and reflects on youthful unbounded ambition and his focus on impact rather than starting companies or making money.

    • •He would likely have been disappointed by his outcomes given his expectations
    • •Young people have unbounded ambition because they don't know the realities
    • •Blind optimism drives great entrepreneurial energy
    • •His orientation was always impact and solving big problems
  5. 9:03 – 18:17

    Inside Google: dMarc Radio Ads and Google Analytics

    Friedberg describes working in corporate development at Google, including the dMarc radio acquisition that ended in a nasty lawsuit. He also tells how he pitched Larry and Sergey on analytics, leading to the Urchin acquisition and Google Analytics.

    • •Google had just under 1,000 people when he joined and he started a corp dev group
    • •dMarc let advertisers place radio ads via AdWords, but the deal was contentious
    • •Eric Schmidt pushed the deal through despite his objections
    • •Larry and Sergey first called third-party cookies evil, but he showed the benefit to advertisers
    • •Urchin, a roughly $25 million acquisition, became Google Analytics and lifted AdWords revenue
  6. 18:17 – 23:25

    Google's Hardware Moat and Larry Page's Big Thinking

    Asked about the Google founders, Friedberg explains how Google's cheap custom servers and full-stack infrastructure created a structural moat. He then describes Larry Page's habit of zooming out and pushing teams to think bigger.

    • •Google built cheap servers from commodity parts and discarded them when they broke
    • •Low costs let them index more of the web and avoid selling ads against a simple site
    • •The AdWords auction with clearly labeled ads reinforced the moat
    • •Larry Page zoomed out 100X, as with the idea to search all the world's books
    • •Great leaders challenge teams to think bigger, like great coaches
  7. 23:25 – 27:05

    Why Most People Don't Dare to Dream Big

    Puri asks why thinking big is hard in practice. Friedberg explains that successful people prefer paths with predictable outcomes, and uses the restaurant-versus-consumer decision on Cana as an example of how near-term customers narrow a moonshot.

    • •TPB's principle is "dare to dream"
    • •Successful people are drawn to actions with known outcomes, which limits their horizon
    • •Teams compromise moonshots for comfortable, narrower goals
    • •Selling to restaurants would have pulled Cana away from the consumer market
    • •Entrepreneurs should find aligned capital that lets them shoot for 100X outcomes
  8. 27:05 – 29:54

    Brian Chesky's 12-Star Experience

    Puri agrees from his own experience and shares an example of a self-driving startup that shrank its vision around an early customer. He then tells the Airbnb story of Brian Chesky pushing his team from five-star to twelve-star experiences, showing that big thinking applies to customer experience too.

    • •A startup Puri invested in narrowed its vision around an early customer
    • •Chesky had the team define one-star through twelve-star experiences
    • •Pushing past five stars led to ideas like Airbnb experiences
    • •Big thinking applies to user experience as well as technology
  9. 29:54 – 34:58

    Cana: A Printer for Beverages

    Puri summarizes Cana as a home device that prints any drink from water and flavor cartridges, and Friedberg confirms and explains the science. About 99% of a beverage is water, sugar or alcohol, and only a few dozen of the flavor compounds matter, so a small set can recreate many drinks.

    • •Puri describes it as a home printer for drinks using home water and a flavor cartridge
    • •99% of beverages are water, sugar or alcohol; flavor chemistry is about 1%
    • •Of wine's roughly 500 compounds, only 30 to 40 matter to the palate
    • •About 80 compounds could recreate drinks from OJ to margaritas
    • •The name Cana comes from the town where Jesus turned water into wine
    • •Thousands of beverages have been analyzed with gas chromatography mass spectrometry
  10. 34:58 – 37:55

    Origin Story, Development, and Pre-Order Pricing

    Friedberg explains how a dinner conversation about a Munich flavor-science paper led TPB to run chemistry and hardware programs for about three years. He describes the engineering challenges and announces the Gen 1 pre-order terms.

    • •A professor told him about research reducing wine to about 40 compounds that panelists couldn't distinguish from the original
    • •He proposed a Star Trek replicator for beverages and had a scientist in residence test it
    • •Challenges included dispensing microliter volumes in 15 to 20 seconds with precision and low cost
    • •Gen 1 ships early next year; $99 refundable reservation, $499 for the first 10,000 devices, then $799
  11. 37:55 – 44:39

    Drinks, Cartridges, and the Long Tail of Brands

    Friedberg explains what the device can make: chilled and carbonated drinks, no heating in Gen 1, and three cartridge types billed per drink. He argues that, as in media, a long tail of creator-made brands will replace the limited shelf slots of retail, and Puri riffs on ideas like Lucky Water.

    • •Gen 1 is chilled and carbonated but has no hot beverages
    • •Master flavor, sugar and alcohol cartridges auto-ship free, with per-drink pricing 25 to 50% below retail
    • •Add-ons include caffeine, vitamins, electrolytes, and low-sugar or low-alcohol options
    • •Retail has only about 150 slots, so creators can build brands like YouTube channels
    • •Puri brainstorms a root beer, a sparkling water, and Lucky Water
  12. 44:39 – 51:27

    Taste vs. Flavor and Personalized Formulas

    Puri asks whether the drinks will taste right. Friedberg distinguishes flavor from taste, describes blind sensory panels against best-in-market products, and argues personalization beats a single lowest-common-denominator formula, with Puri adding Gladwell's pasta sauce talk.

    • •Flavor is biochemical sensory experience; taste is how the brain finds it appealing
    • •Formulas aren't approved until they match or beat best-in-market comparables in blind tests
    • •Different formulas win with different groups, as with Starbucks and Blue Bottle cold brew
    • •Offering multiple sugar levels of one soda could sell more in aggregate
    • •Goal is that everyone can find something they like more than Coca-Cola
  13. 51:27 – 54:45

    Creator Economics and Device Price Roadmap

    Friedberg and Puri discuss how creators could launch brands without capital, compared with celebrity beverage brands. They cover drink prices, royalties and brand ownership, and the roadmap for making the device cheaper, smaller and heated across generations.

    • •Only 3% of launched beverage brands reach $10 million in sales, and a launch costs around $5 million
    • •Creators keep ownership of their brands and can sell elsewhere
    • •Drinks range from about 29 cents to $2.99, with celebrity retail royalties around 2 to 6%
    • •Competing devices sell from $70 to $299, with Keurig at about 35 million installed
    • •Gen 3 aims to have everything for everyone at an accessible mass-market price
  14. 54:45 – 1:00:27

    Environmental Impact of Decentralized Beverage Manufacturing

    Friedberg lays out the environmental case: bottled beverages are mostly water that is grown, packaged and trucked to homes that already have water. He cites CO2, water and land figures, and Puri praises the idea of eliminating the whole chain, before they close with hiring and where to pre-order.

    • •It takes about 600 liters of water to make a liter of wine and 40 for orange juice
    • •About half a billion tons of CO2 and 400 trillion liters of water a year go to bottled beverages
    • •Consumers spend $2.3 trillion a year, and 120 million acres of farmland could be returned to nature
    • •Puri says others would optimize the chain, whereas Cana eliminates it
    • •Cana.com offers a $99 pre-order reservation, and TPB is hiring

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