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My First MillionIf I Had To Make $1 Billion... Here’s The Business I Would Start
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The Question and What a Billion Really Means
Shaan introduces a listener question asking for one specific idea to make a million and one to make a billion, excluding newsletters, blogs and agencies. Sam raises the difference between a billion-dollar company and a billion in net worth, citing a founder who made only $3 million on a near-$1 billion sale.
- •The listener asked for one million-dollar idea and one billion-dollar idea
- •Sam notes company value and personal take-home differ dramatically
- •Sam cites a founder who made $3 million on a roughly $990 million sale
- •Founders can end up with about 8% of a billion-dollar business
The "Me Also" Strategy and Business Brokerages
Sam explains that to make a million in a few years, selling a business is easier than relying on cash flow, and he would copy something that already works with a twist. He and Shaan walk through Quiet Light and similar brokerage sites, including a money-counting machine business listed for sale.
- •Sam argues for building a business to sell rather than waiting on annual cash flow
- •Quiet Light lets you see anonymous listings and request financials
- •Shaan describes a friend who studied a listed business, recreated it and sold it for millions more
- •Sam cautions that NDAs mean you should be inspired by a business rather than rip it off
- •The example listing is an Amazon FBA money-counting machine business with $625K net income
Niche Membership Communities That Solve a Specific Problem
Sam describes building a very niche paid community, such as automations for HVAC owners, that solves a specific problem with clear ROI. The hosts discuss pricing, small audience requirements, the multiples such businesses sell for, and Exit Five as an example.
- •Sam suggests niche communities with content, shared tactics or contact databases, priced around $500 a month or $3,000 a year
- •Sam says a buyer needs just one sale to see positive ROI
- •Sam estimates membership sites sell for about five times profit, so $250K profit yields a million
- •Shaan cites Exit Five, a B2B marketer community, as an example
- •An audience of 5,000 could yield 100 to 200 buyers
Recapping Idea One: Reverse Engineering or Buying a Business
Shaan recaps Sam's answer as two ideas and adds that you can buy a listed business with an SBA loan and grow it. They discuss the risk of personal liability and why the membership idea must be specific rather than soft.
- •Studying 30 to 50 businesses is like a real-world MBA
- •SBA loans with 10-15% down could let someone buy a $2M business earning $600K
- •Shaan says growing an existing business is easier than going from zero to one
- •Buying carries more risk because the buyer is personally liable for the loan
- •Memberships need a clear beginning, middle, end and ROI, not accountability or fluff
Shaan's Million-Dollar Idea: A QSBS Advisory Firm
Shaan pitches a QSBS advisory firm that helps tech companies and executives get attestation letters showing their stock qualifies for the tax-free gain exclusion. He explains the economics, ongoing fees, why it doesn't need to be a law firm, and how few customers are needed to reach a million.
- •QSBS can make the first $10 million of gain tax-free, and the exclusion applies per person
- •Experts hired hourly would write letters; Shaan suggests $10-15K for the letter plus recurring fees
- •Sam compares it to 409-A valuation services
- •Only about 30 customers a year at $10K would reach $300K profit
- •Upsells and not needing to be a law firm make it attractive; Sam calls it better than his own idea
Thrill of the Shill: Hampton and Being a Capital Allocator
Sam uses the Thrill of the Shill segment to promote Hampton and tell a story about how a conversation with NerdWallet's CEO changed how he thinks about payroll. He and Shaan discuss moving from product maker to capital allocator.
- •Tim Chen advised Sam to treat payroll as a number and think in inputs and outputs
- •Sam runs Hampton, a community for founders with at least $1M in revenue
- •Shaan says once a product has product market fit, the founder's job is deploying money for more output than input
- •Peer conversations are what shifted Sam's mindset
Sam's Billion-Dollar Idea: Humanoid Robots
Sam pitches the humanoid robot industry, citing Elon Musk's claims about Optimus and his $60,000 investment in Figure. He says he would organize hardware engineers and use a venture-backed approach to catch a tidal wave.
- •Sam cites Kai-Fu Lee saying humanoids could replace 40% of jobs in 12 years
- •Musk said Optimus could be bigger than Tesla's other businesses
- •Sam invested about $60,000 in Figure at a roughly $300M valuation
- •He would meet hardware engineers and cold email founders to find unaddressed problems
- •A short-timeline billion requires VC and a huge industry wave
Pizza Robots, Purpose-Built Robots and Tech Risk
Shaan agrees with the robotics idea and proposes narrower robots, starting with pizza robots, citing a friend who invests in technical risk rather than product market fit risk. They discuss Zume, roofing robots, and why physics-bound problems are easier than building brands.
- •Shaan's friend Vishal invests only where the risk is technical, not demand
- •A pizza robot is a sandboxed task, and there are about 80,000 pizza restaurants in the US
- •Chains could sign letters of intent, as Boom did with a purchase order
- •Abe Murray's newsletter argues the dishwasher is the most successful robot; Renovate Robotics builds roofing robots
- •Sam says robots only have to obey physics, which he finds easier than creating a brand
Finding Robotics Founders Through Hardware Labs
Shaan describes Furqan's Founders Inc space, which attracts hackers with a free hardware robotics lab, and suggests visiting such places to find teams that need help commercializing. Sam adds that many technical founders don't care about business, so an organizer can win.
- •Furqan gives hackers free access to 3D printers, drones, laser cutters and robotic arms
- •Orangewood Labs has a robotic arm for tasks like powder coating at about one-fifth of human cost
- •Visiting hardware labs increases serendipity
- •Sam says brilliant technical people often need someone to organize the business side
Shaan's Dark Idea: Anduril for Another Country
Asked whether he wants the dark or light idea, Sam picks dark. Shaan briefly pitches building an Anduril-style defense company for another country, recruiting top talent and copying Anduril's product roadmap.
- •Shaan's pitch is Anduril for some other country, such as Israel
- •Start with a $50M-$150M contract and top recruits
- •Follow Anduril's product menu while the customer country owns the IP
- •Sam comments that Palmer Luckey is on a tear
Buying a University: Finding Targets and the Economics
Shaan introduces the light idea of buying a university listed on DealStream. They discuss why Harvard or Stanford are unbuyable, then use Belmont's tuition and financials to show how profitable even a small private school can be.
- •DealStream lists colleges for sale, some for $5M-$10M
- •Harvard and Stanford are effectively too big to buy
- •Belmont tuition is about $38K with roughly 7,300 students
- •Sam finds Belmont has $464M revenue, $350M expenses and $1.5B in assets
- •The key assets are the campus and the accreditation
Branding the University as an Elite Luxury Product
Shaan lays out how he would build prestige: sponsoring competitions with pizza, finding gifted kids early, creating an exclusive entrance exam, and spending heavily on speakers. He also plans controversial direct-to-consumer marketing modeled on for-profit universities like University of Phoenix.
- •Target gamers, programmers and math kids through cheap sponsored competitions
- •Copy Duke's talent identification program to reach kids in fifth and sixth grade
- •Use an old-money name, own entrance exam and lower acceptance rate than Harvard
- •Raise $50-100M and spend $5-6M a year on speaker fees, inspired by Sam Bankman-Fried's brand building without the fraud
- •University of Phoenix spent $3 billion on marketing in five years; Shaan would make hard-to-get-in controversy the ads' theme
Funding with Seat Licenses, Real Listings and the Pitch
Shaan proposes selling NFT-style admissions seat licenses, like stadium PSLs, to raise hundreds of millions while still charging tuition. They then browse real university listings, including an accredited California school, and Shaan outlines his pitch to wealthy donors before wrapping up.
- •10,000 seat licenses at $25K-$50K could raise up to $500M, with holders earning a share of tuition
- •Holders could use, gift or rent out their seat
- •Sam would stick with normal tuition, while Shaan says tuition would run on top
- •DealStream listings include an $8.5M university and a $25M accredited SoCal school with F-1 visa ability
- •Shaan's pitch to rich donors is a new, project-based school built around builders
- •Sam rates the pitch 9.5 out of 10
