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I'm 80 and I wasted 25 years of my life. Don't make my mistake. - Howard Marks

Episode 841: Sam Parr and Shaan Puri talk to legendary investor Howard Marks about AI and making decisions in the face of fear and uncertainty.

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Jul 15, 202644mWatch on YouTube

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Howard Marks on AI, crisis investing, and long-term relationships

  1. Howard Marks explains why he rewrote his AI memo after his son, Andrew, urged him to update it due to rapid changes in the technology.
  2. Marks argues AI is unprecedented because of its autonomy and because its future trajectory feels unusually unpredictable compared to past innovations.
  3. On investing, he says AI will expose overstated skill, yet human judgment may still matter in evaluating people and navigating situations with no historical precedent.
  4. Marks recounts investing through the Lehman-era panic and emphasizes acting with trepidation and probabilistic thinking rather than certainty.
  5. He shares principles behind raising a large crisis-oriented fund, sustaining a decades-long partnership with Bruce, and parenting with support and humility.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Howard Marks updated his AI views because new information forced a reset.

He says his view changed after his son, Andrew, who works with AI daily, told him that “so much has happened” that the memo needed a full rewrite. Marks highlights AI’s ability to contextualize information about the user and communicate strengths/weaknesses in a way he finds exceptional.

Marks sees AI as unprecedented for autonomy and unpredictability.

Marks contrasts past innovations as productivity tools with AI’s autonomy—being able to assign a job without specifying the method. He also emphasizes AI’s unpredictability: he doesn’t think anyone knows the future shape well enough to forecast it confidently.

AI may eliminate many investment roles, but Marks doubts it can replace all judgment.

He argues AI will expose (“defrock”) people whose claimed investing skill is overstated, similar to how indexation revealed persistent active underperformance. He’s uncertain whether AI’s capability list is limited or effectively unlimited, which he frames as central to whether it can fully replace human investors.

Human edge may persist in character judgment and truly novel, history-free situations.

Marks says he believes experienced investors still add value via judgment calls like avoiding “bad people,” where instincts and subtle cues matter, and by handling situations with no historical precedent to train on. He adds that some people are better at reasoning about probability distributions for future events.

In crises, Marks acts despite uncertainty—confidence isn’t required.

Describing the period around Lehman’s collapse, Marks says they had no data or prior experience for “the end of the world,” only supposition, yet still invested because not investing would mean failing their job if the world didn’t melt down. He stresses they were not confident and that probabilistic thinkers act with trepidation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

There's never been anything with the quality of autonomy. The idea that it-- you can give it a job and not tell it how to do it, and it'll figure it out, is really unique.

— Howard Marks

There's no pattern recognition for the end of the world.

— Howard Marks

If the world, if the financial world melts down and we invest, doesn't matter. But if we don't invest and the financial world doesn't melt down, then we didn't do our job, so we have to do it.

— Howard Marks

A battle hero is not somebody who's unafraid. It's somebody who's afraid, but does it anyway.

— Howard Marks

The key to a successful partnership is shared values and complementary skills.

— Howard Marks

Read the available transcript
AI memo revision and changed viewAutonomy and unpredictability in AIAI versus human judgment in investingSecond-level thinking and variant perceptionInvesting through crisis and uncertaintyRaising a distressed-debt fund ahead of crisisPartnership principles: values and complementary skills

SPEAKERS

  • Howard Marks

    guest

    Co-founder and co-chairman of Oaktree Capital Management, known for his investing memos and distressed-debt expertise.

  • Shaan Puri

    host

    Co-host of the My First Million podcast and entrepreneur/investor.

  • Sam Parr

    host

    Co-host of the My First Million podcast and entrepreneur (founder of The Hustle).

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