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85 min read · 17,227 words- 0:00 – 5:42
Shaan gets Covid
- SPSam Parr
So the background is this, this guy named Kevin Van Trump, he is probably in his 50s, late, mid to late 50s. Um, and he basically, I think he worked in Chicago on, like, the commodities, like, trading floor. So he, like-
- SPShaan Puri
Yes
- SPSam Parr
... traded commodities. But he's got a relatively thick Southern accent.
- SPShaan Puri
Right.
- SPSam Parr
So he goes to Chicago. He probably makes eight figures trading commodities. So he, like, sounds like this country bumpkin farmer, but, like, you know, he's trading, like, corn futures and shit like that, and makes a lot of money. Then, maybe 10 years ago, he starts this daily newsletter where he writes the whole thing by himself every single day. At this point-
- SPShaan Puri
For, like, 17 years he's done that
- SPSam Parr
Is it 17 years?
- SPShaan Puri
Some- something like that. It's, like, some- almost 20 years he's been doing this every day.
- SPSam Parr
And it makes, like, something, like, in the world of $20 million a year in subscription revenue just to read h-
- SPShaan Puri
More
- SPSam Parr
It's more?
- SPShaan Puri
More now.
- SPSam Parr
Is it-
- SPShaan Puri
More now. I, I think it's, like, 30, 40 million a, a year now.
- SPSam Parr
So I've done calls with him, and I'm just... And, and this guy, he's like, "Oh, hey, check this son of a bitch out." Like, that's the whole shtick.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. [upbeat music]
- SPSam Parr
Okay, so, uh, I haven't talked to you in, like, two weeks. You had COVID. You-
- SPShaan Puri
Dude, I had... I, I can't even ex- explain what I had. I would apologize 'cause I've missed so many recordings, but in a way, you gave me COVID. Because I got COVID 'cause I went to this conference, which is, uh, you know, a decision I made. I didn't really... Honest, I wasn't really thinking about it. COVID's just been so present that I wasn't really, like... I didn't do the math of, like, you know, if I go on a plane and I go to a conference with 2,000 people, what's gonna happen? And so sure enough, I go to this conference that Sam hooks me up with. He's like, Sam's like, "Hey, this conference is amazing. It's called FarmCon. These guys who run it, they're just super cool story. You know, it's awesome." And I was like, "Oh, I'm in."
- SPSam Parr
And I was gonna go.
- SPShaan Puri
And I land, and I'm like, "Yo, I'm here, baby. Let's do this." And Sam's like, "Oh, I didn't go, dude. I'm, I don't wanna get COVID." [laughs]
- SPSam Parr
Well, I can- I canceled, like, last minute. I, I-
- SPShaan Puri
[laughs]
- SPSam Parr
Dude, like, I thought that you knew that I canceled.
- SPShaan Puri
[laughs]
- SPSam Parr
But, like, what-
- SPShaan Puri
How the, how would I know that? [laughs]
- SPSam Parr
Because we, we had talked about you going, and we had said... I don't know, we had not really mentioned that I wouldn't be there.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah, you, you didn't explicitly say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.
- SPSam Parr
And, uh, I thought you knew I canceled, so I felt horrible. But, like, a week or two prior to c- to, to... That's, like, when Omnicron and all this stuff happened. And it's a, it's a farmer's conference in Kansas City. My, you know, I'm from Missouri. And I was like, "Ooh, I think that, uh, like, that COVID will be there."
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- 5:42 – 7:15
How to have Slack meetings
- SPShaan Puri
good. It was, like, pretty mild. You know, she was still doing, like, all the caretaking.
- SPSam Parr
I, I think women are generally tougher, particularly moms are tougher when it comes to that stuff.
- SPShaan Puri
Totally. But the hard part is when we both get the same thing and I go down like a, you know, bag of bricks, and she's just, just stay-
- SPSam Parr
She's like, "Shut the fuck up. Don't complain."
- SPShaan Puri
Y- yeah. She's just like, "What is this? Why are you, why do you need so much sleep right now?" And I'm like, "I just can't explain." In fact, I saw this meme that was so perfect. It goes, there's this guy [laughs] and he goes, he goes You know, it's so good that women have to give birth, uh, and go through labor because now they understand what happens when a man gets a cold. [laughs]
- SPSam Parr
[laughs]
- SPShaan Puri
And that's how it is. I'm a huge baby about it, and she, like, toughed it out, no problem. Uh, so that was kind of embarrassing.
- SPSam Parr
Did, um... W- so y- how many people, how many full-time employees work at your, um, your company?
- SPShaan Puri
Uh, I don't know, maybe-
- SPSam Parr
The, uh, the, the, the D2C company.
- SPShaan Puri
Maybe, like, seven, eight full-time.
- SPSam Parr
And, and these... A- and Amer- Americans full-time, and you, and you, like, are running meetings and-
- SPShaan Puri
Not all, not all Americans, but, but, you know, people who this is their main job. They work full-time.
- SPSam Parr
And when you-
- SPShaan Puri
Not, not accounting the warehouse staff
- SPSam Parr
... and do you, like, do weekly meetings with them and run it like a, a company, or is it really-
- SPShaan Puri
[laughs] No
- SPSam Parr
... run Shaan, if it's run like Shaan, like very autonomous, all of everything done via Slack?
- SPShaan Puri
Very autonomous, everything done via Slack. We have one meeting a week that's in Slack, and I just say, "Hey, get in this channel right now." Or we just did it. It was at 10:30. It was like, "All right, get in this channel right now," and I just say, "All right, you, everybody here?" And then they just, like, emoji react, and then I'm
- 7:15 – 49:20
FarmCon and business ideas for the farm economy
- SPShaan Puri
like, "Cool. This is like a real meeting, meaning, like, don't go open 10 other tabs." Like, when I say something, I want a response within, like, a second because it's like a live chat. I was like, "But calls are annoying. We all agree calls are annoying, so let's just, like, do the... Like, just humor me. Let's try this meeting style." So we do it. I kinda like it. And basically, I just say, "All right, what's everybody's main priority this week? Like, what matters?" Everyone's like, "Oh, we gotta do this, this, this." I say... Then I'll be like, "Eh, that doesn't really sound that, like that matters that much. Can we punt that?" They're like, "Yeah, I guess so." And, like, we just agree on here's the three or four things that matter this week. You're doing this. You're doing this. You're doing this. And then it's like, cool, I'll, uh... I tell one guy, I say, "Hey, check in on Wednesday," and they, everybody just say how they're going on their things for the week. And then check in on Friday and say how, how did we do for the week. That's it. That's the management.
- SPSam Parr
And how much time does your wife spend on the company?
- SPShaan Puri
Spends a good amount of time. Like, she's, uh, she, you know, she's a stay-at-home mom, I guess, like, first job, 'cause, like, so during the day she doesn't really work on it too much, just kinda, like, on her phone in between, you know, just, like, watching the baby. But then at night she basically works from 10:00 PM when the babies are finally knocked out to 2:00 or 3:00 AM. Pretty much every night she does that, and she works on the business-
- SPSam Parr
Wow
- SPShaan Puri
... and does the designs and all that stuff.
- SPSam Parr
So when you guys are both sick, how bad, like, who's-
- SPShaan Puri
We did no work.
- SPSam Parr
You just-
- SPShaan Puri
We just-
- SPSam Parr
Like, you just have a, a, a, a, a person who you trust and you say, "Just handle it"?
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
Wow.
- SPShaan Puri
We're like, you know, just you do what you can do, and then whatever doesn't get done doesn't get done. Like, we're not gonna worry about it. We're not gonna add a stress to our life that, like, says this week we also have to, you know, work. It's just impossible.
- SPSam Parr
So let's talk about this conference for a second, because I have been telling you about this guy for a long time, and I think that you sh- you humored me and the audience has humored me, and they have, like, "Oh, that sounds neat." But when you m- got to meet him, did you understand what I was saying?
- SPShaan Puri
Dude, this guy's amazing. This guy is amazing, and what he's built is amazing. So I wanna go through... I have a bunch of thoughts. But let's start with, with them. Okay. So the conference is called FarmCon, and the family is ca- the, the Van Trump family is, that's their, that's their name. So it's Kevin Van Trump and Jordan Van Trump. Uh, that's, like, the, the two kinda, like, core principles. That's the father and son. And, uh, I'm just gonna describe what happened when I got there, 'cause it, it wasn't like a normal conference. So a couple unusual things. I go in, and there's a normal stage, like a conference. You know, like, they got that frickin' wallpaper behind it that's, like, every sponsor's logo on step and repeat banner. Okay, cool. That, everything's normal. But the s- main speaker, [laughs] Kevin Van Trump, is sitting not at, uh, not in a chair. He's got this, like, mahogany desk that was put onto the, [laughs] down to the stage. And he's sitting in it. He's, he looks like a judge of a courtroom. So he's got this humongous, like, oak wood table that he's sitting behind in his thing, and he's got a gavel literally, and he's talking into the mic, and he... It's, like, a freeform agenda, so he'll be like, like, he would, he would just say something that he'd be... Like, I walked in and he's like, "You know, that's why I don't hire any Ivy Leaguers. You know, Ivy Leaguers, here's the problem with Ivy Leaguers." And he'll just go on a rant, and there's, like, five panelists that are sitting there, and then he'll just, like, do, tell this story and the crowd loves him. I loved him. He is an amazing, charismatic speaker who is smart and very real, and he's very... He's just a very good speaker. Like, his style-
- SPSam Parr
Yeah
- SPShaan Puri
... was so, um, likable. I couldn't e- I can't explain. So he-
- SPSam Parr
Like, the background is this, this guy named Kevin Van Trump, uh, this is all from memory. I met him four or five years ago at a conference, and since then we, I've kinda brought him into our circle of friends. He is probably in his 50s, late, mid to late 50s. Um, and he basically, I think he worked in Chicago on, like, the commodities, like, trading floor.
- SPShaan Puri
Yes.
- SPSam Parr
So he, like, traded commodities. But he's got a relatively thick Southern accent. Kansas City, Missouri isn't really considered the South, but it can be pretty country. So, but I don't know where he's from. So he goes to Chicago. He probably makes eight figures trading commodities. So he, like, sounds like this country bumpkin farmer, but, like, you know, he's trading, like, corn futures and shit like that and makes a lot of money. Then maybe 10 years ago he starts this daily newsletter where he writes the whole thing by himself every single day. At this point-
- SPShaan Puri
For, like, 17 years he's done that.
- SPSam Parr
Is it 17 years?
- SPShaan Puri
Some- something like that. It's, like, some, almost 20 years he's been doing this every day.
- SPSam Parr
And it makes, like, something, like, in the world of $20 million a year in subscription revenue-
- SPShaan Puri
More
- SPSam Parr
... just to read h-
- SPShaan Puri
More now.
- SPSam Parr
It's more?
- SPShaan Puri
More now.
- SPSam Parr
Is it-
- 49:20 – 57:00
How to create personal brand equity
- SPShaan Puri
parentheses there is no app. It is now available on OpenSea. [laughs] And so he, he likes it, and it sells out, um, [laughs] as, as NFTs do. And I, I think he made... What did he make off this thing? All right. Oh, the floor has dropped, so anybody who bought this, I think, is probably not doing so hot. Um, the floor is now only .36 ETH.
- SPSam Parr
Ooh.
- SPShaan Puri
So that's not great, but anyway, it's still $1,000. So 69 pictures for $1,000. Okay, not bad.
- SPSam Parr
So, well, here's what I wanna ask you. I c- I n- uh, the, I wanna ask you a question because you have done something similar. I didn't know [beep] before you and I... You introduced me to him. Um, I knew him as, like, a guy who built an app, but it seems like people revere him. Like, they consider him an expert on consumer apps. Um, which, not saying that he isn't. He, he currently is-
- SPShaan Puri
[laughs]
- SPSam Parr
... is pretty successful it seems.
- SPShaan Puri
But also, what the fuck? [laughs]
- SPSam Parr
But al- but also, like, his reputation, like, is so big-
- SPShaan Puri
Exceeds
- SPSam Parr
... where it's like-
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah
- SPSam Parr
... is anyone that good? That's kinda what I'm getting at.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
And you've done a good job of that as well, of creating this, like, mystique, uh-
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah
- SPSam Parr
... almost out of nothing, right? Not that-
- SPShaan Puri
Yes
- SPSam Parr
... like, you weren't successful-
- SPShaan Puri
Totally
- SPSam Parr
... ahead of time, but, like, you've done a really good job of building a brand.
- SPShaan Puri
No, dude, ca- call it wh- what I sold my startup for less than what my investors had put in. Now s- you know, the way it worked, you know, w- the team still did well, and I made good money off of it. But, like, that's not, that's the, that's not the definition of a successful business, uh, like-
- SPSam Parr
Because there's a lot of people that have sold their companies for a lot of money. We have a c- we have a, a handful of buddies that are, like-
- SPShaan Puri
Tons, yeah
- SPSam Parr
... uber rich. No one fucking knows who they are, and, like, even if they told you that what they did, you'd have to, like, they'd have to beg to speak at a conference.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
Whereas guys like you, you've got, like, The Daily Show reaching out to you. You've got celebrities reaching out to you who wanna, like, get on board with you, and then [beep] has done the same thing.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah, 'cause you can make it sound good. I could say I sold my c- sold my last startup to Amazon. Yeah, technically, I did. Technically, I made money, but, like-
- SPSam Parr
No, that's not it
- SPShaan Puri
... that doesn't make it a, like, a huge success. You know?
- SPSam Parr
No, I don't-
- 57:00 – 59:15
Sam's short term rental crew
- SPShaan Puri
robotics, or whatever. If I get three interesting things from you, I will, in my brain, I will assign that tag to you. This guy's interesting, worth watching. And then if other people endorse it and say, "This is interesting," it, it goes even faster.
- SPSam Parr
Dude, this is, this is exciting to me. I think this is a fire episode. I'm not gonna, I don't wanna talk about it entirely right now, because I think we should wrap here. But I... So last weekend, you, when you were sick, so you probably didn't see this, I tweeted out about STRs, so short-term rental stuff. Did you happen to see that?
- SPShaan Puri
I saw it, and I followed what you were talking about. Looked super interesting, your Facebook group. I wanna hear more about that. Uh-
- SPSam Parr
So-
- SPShaan Puri
We can save it for another ep if you want
- SPSam Parr
... we'll save it, but did you join the group?
- SPShaan Puri
I didn't join the group, no.
- SPSam Parr
I-
- SPShaan Puri
I didn't know the name of it.
- SPSam Parr
Dude, it's-
- SPShaan Puri
It's called Sam's STRs or something like that?
- SPSam Parr
Yeah, I just made it in the car. Like, my, Sarah was driving, and I just made it in the car. It's got-
- SPShaan Puri
Such a smart way to do things, by the way. Like, it's gonna sound super simple. Like, "Oh, I just made this thing," because you were curious and wanted to learn about it, right? Like, you hadn't decided to do anything yet.
- SPSam Parr
Yeah. But it's, uh, well, I have now, but I'm still looking for a property though. But I, um-
- SPShaan Puri
Sam's STR crew.
- SPSam Parr
Yeah, I'll let you in. And there's, like, 1,000 or 1,500 people. It's mostly all tech guys. Dude, I've met some guys in there-
- SPShaan Puri
Where'd, where'd you get these people? You, you tweeted it out?
- SPSam Parr
Just the tweet. That's it. Only that. It's all tech guys. Like, it's that guy AJ, uh, who owns, uh, the, the, the pet-
- SPShaan Puri
Yep
- SPSam Parr
... business. And then it's Nathan Barry. It's Marshall Haas. I, there's, there's guys in there that, I've met guys that are, like, billionaires, like, who have sold... or rather, they've sold companies for a billion dollars. I met one guy who's making half a million a month in profit. He's paying himself $6M a year off of his, uh-
- SPShaan Puri
Wow
- SPSam Parr
... handful of, uh-
- SPShaan Puri
Nice.
- SPSam Parr
Uh, yeah, there's another guy in there who owns $50M worth of them. It's crazy. I'm learning all this in this [laughs] fucking group. It's amazing. So you're gonna have to browse through that. And I'll tell you some more interesting stuff about it.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah. All right, we'll, we'll start with that one next time. Um-
- SPSam Parr
Does that interest you?
- SPShaan Puri
Dude, of course it interests me. Yeah, that's great. Um-
- SPSam Parr
It's crazy. Who would've thought about, about, about short-term rentals and how they're crushing it?
- SPShaan Puri
It, it hits the highest level of interesting me, which is where you say, "What am I doing with my life? Why don't I do that?" All right, you raise your qu- qu- question your own life is the-
- SPSam Parr
Well-
- 59:15 – 1:03:22
Steady.capital
- SPSam Parr
you don't need to, quote, "be doing it." You just need to have done it. And there is a world where you not quite set it and forget it, but, like, you just, like, y- it's not like you need to do shit all the time to it.
- SPShaan Puri
Right.
- SPSam Parr
And so I would say, like, one of the criticisms, not a criticism, but the one, uh, my feedback for Shaan and how Shaan should, like, evolve maybe is to sometimes invest in some of these a little bit more boring, stable-
- SPShaan Puri
Right
- SPSam Parr
... things, at least just a tiny portion of your, of your money. And, like, this is, like, a really int- interesting asset class.
- SPShaan Puri
Have I told you about Steady?
- SPSam Parr
No.
- SPShaan Puri
This is sweet. I think you'll like it. So I, uh, I, actually, I think the website is cool. Steady, I wanna say it's steady.capital or steadycapital.com. One second, let me pull it up.
- SPSam Parr
Steady, if I just type in Steady Capital-
- SPShaan Puri
Okay, do steady.capital, S-T-E-A-D-Y.capital.
- SPSam Parr
How do most... Uh, okay, here it is. Yeah.
- SPShaan Puri
Tell me what just, tell me what you see.
- SPSam Parr
It's a, it's a black screen, and it says, "How do most millionaires build their wealth? 90% of millionaires invest in real estate. Steady lets you earn passive income from real estate for $100." Okay.
- SPShaan Puri
And then-
- SPSam Parr
And you invest in c- c... Okay, so, "Steady is a web dashboard for retail investors to buy shares of income-generating commercial real estate, commercial real estate. Make investments and see your financial re- reports in our dashboard, and get monthly deposits from your investments directly to your bank account."
- SPShaan Puri
It's, yes.
- SPSam Parr
"We do not offer high-adrenaline investments."
- SPShaan Puri
This is the part I wanted you to read, yeah.
- SPSam Parr
"We do not offer high..." This is, this is really good copy. "We do not offer high-adrenaline investments. We don't have an app designed to keep your eyes glued to your phone. We pursue steady returns over hype. We are the tortoise in a race full of hares."
- SPShaan Puri
So good.
- SPSam Parr
Wonderful. Wonderful.
- SPShaan Puri
So good. So I r-
- SPSam Parr
Who owns this?
- SPShaan Puri
So I read this. So this guy I used to play pickup basketball with, or he was on my, like, intramural basketball team. He, this guy Dylan, he created this company. And I just kinda saw his Twitter, and I was like, "Oh, what's that guy Dylan up to?" Like, and, and I didn't even know he's a startup guy. Like, he, he's just some dude we used to play ball with. And, um, it has, like, Steady Capital. What's that? And I read this landing page, and I was like, "Dude, what is this? I gotta invest." Literally, so I invested in both his company as well as I started putting my money into Steady. This is why-
- SPSam Parr
Whoa, you invested in Steady?
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
This-
- SPShaan Puri
'Cause I was like, "Dude, this, this m- this is what I want." I was like, "I want to own... I want to have real estate re- uh, income coming in, but I don't wanna do the work of, like, going and finding a property, diligencing it, underwriting it, taking out a loan for myself, buying the property, managing the property," all that good stuff. So what these guys do is they basically handpick s- um, sponsors. So they'll have, like, um, guys who have a good track record in commercial real estate. Commercial real estate, they'll be like, "Oh, this guy buys warehouses in the middle of Texas." Um, and they basically diligence the properties for you, and then all you do... So what I do, I just set it auto invest. So it's a... I just say $5,000 a month just as, as a starting point. I was like, "I'm gonna invest five grand a month into commercial real estate. Cool. Over the... This year I'll have 60 grand put into this." And then it just shows me, it's like, "Cool, you're gonna be... You're gonna break even in 18 months, but you're gonna get your first check next month." And, um, the... You know, the... Basically what they do is they go to that sponsor. They say, "Hey, you know, you're gonna raise money for this deal anyways. Give us half a million bucks. We have this cadre of investors. We come in as one line item on your thing and we become an investor, and then you just... Like, we... Our investors want passive income through real estate investing." And he's like, he's trying to do, like, the Robinhood model where it's like Robinhood made it where there was no fee. You could invest for a very small amount of money. So it's like normally real estate has pretty high barriers to entry for knowledge as well as the amount of money you have to put in. So his mission is like, "I wanna make real estate as, uh, you know, investable for even $100." And even $100, if you're earning 8%, [laughs] great, you'll earn $8 of passive income. And if you get-
- SPSam Parr
Is this thing gonna be big, you think? It looks cool.
- SPShaan Puri
I think it's a really hard business to do 'cause, you know, you have to... It's like a two-sided market. You have to have really-
- 1:03:22 – 1:18:50
American Kingpin
- SPShaan Puri
something that's gonna generate 8 to 10% a year, or 8 to 15% a year and, um, cool. Like, that's doable. That's not... That doesn't take a miracle. So I really like Steady. Uh, I think there's currently a wait list or whatever. People have to, like, do a thing for that.
- SPSam Parr
Dude, I just signed up for it. It looks sick.
- SPShaan Puri
I'll, I'll email the guy to get you in. If people wanna do it, they should, they should go do it. I think this is real- I think this is really good for people. Uh, like, I've had, I've had multiple people ask to invest in my startup fund and I just say no. I'm like, "If you're not already wealthy, don't do this." 'Cause this... Don't use this as the way to get wealthy. You have much smarter paths to get there. If you already ha- if you're already, you know, a multimillionaire, cool. I... You should do this then to get some exposure to startups. But I think for most people, getting exposure to passive income real estate is a much better place to, to build wealth if you're not already wealthy through your business or what-
- SPSam Parr
Dude, this is a, this is a good episode.
- SPShaan Puri
Uh, cool. I-
- SPSam Parr
I'm, I'm, I'm interested in Steady.
- SPShaan Puri
I, I have a whole bunch of other topics still, so I'll, I'll save those for Wednesday. I appreciate you holding down the fort while I was, uh, down and out.
- SPSam Parr
It was hard. It was hard. I think, like, c- I had to do it with Ben, and Ben's great and, but I had to... And then I did it with Noah, and Noah's great. But you and I are... I mean, you're talented, which I talk about all the time. You and I together are talented, and it was very hard with... It was way harder without... It was work.
- SPShaan Puri
I love to hear it. I love to be needed. [laughs]
- SPSam Parr
It, it was work. Dude, it was work. And, like, I thought... There's been times where I'm like, "Oh, fuck, I could just... I could handle this." It was work. It was, it w- like, I felt like I was working.
- SPShaan Puri
By the way, if people haven't listened to the episode you did with Ben on the Silk Road, it's on our feed. It's a special... I think it's called Special Episode Silk Road. I don't know what it's called.
- SPSam Parr
Yeah.
- SPShaan Puri
Go listen to that. I listened to that while I was sick. I fucking loved it.
- SPSam Parr
Yes.
- SPShaan Puri
Uh, 'cause I've been meaning to read American Kingpin for so long. You told me it was so good, and I'm just, like, backed up. I'm just not reading it and, uh, so listening to that gave me my fix and it, it's like, you know, the best kind of Netflix shows where after it's done you then go down the rabbit hole and research more for, like, an hour on your phone in the middle of the night under the covers. Like, that's what I was doing about the Silk Road afterward.
- SPSam Parr
So dude, dude, that one, I think we were prepared for 45 minutes. It wasn't a lot. But we were both so fascinated by that topic and I think you... Something happened where you weren't able to come and-
- SPShaan Puri
Right
- SPSam Parr
... we found last minute and we're like, "Let's just do this, Ben."
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
And so we're gonna do another one on, uh, a guy called Ma- I forget the... It, there's another version. There's another, like, juicy one, but, uh, I just bought the book. I'm gonna go read it and, like, do it. That's... Those episodes were fun.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah.
- SPSam Parr
And Ben's really good at that stuff.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah, exactly. And you guys play off each other really well. The one thing I really wanted to know, 'cause I'll... while you're here I'll get you, how did they catch him? So you, you had said, like, basically they traced his, uh... You had said, okay, he had, he w- he had originally posted on this forum saying-
- SPSam Parr
Ah, yeah. So-
- SPShaan Puri
"Hey, has anybody seen this thing?" And then also that, um, [tsks] that they c- you know, caught him in the library right down the street from you. So I got those bits, but I wanted to know, like-
- SPSam Parr
Yeah, how they know it was him.
- SPShaan Puri
Yeah. And, um, yeah, like, I think there was a bunch of details about, like, the investigation, like, that, the, like, cop chase basically. Uh-
- SPSam Parr
Yeah. So basically what-
- SPShaan Puri
Was there more there?
- SPSam Parr
It w- you know, it's so funny. There's this episode of South Park where they're trying to, like, track this terrorist, and the boys are like, "Dude, just, like, do a reverse Google search, and, like, like, just use Google." And that's what they did. And so the very first post ever about the Silk Road was written from a username, and that same username posted a few weeks prior to Stack Overflow saying, "I'm building a website that is trying to do this."
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