The Secret Drug That The Stars Are Using To Get In Shape (#406)

Shaan Puri 0:01 [funky music] Yeah, welcome back. Greatest podcast in the world. A decision to click play, and now you're gonna learn things, you're gonna laugh, you might even get a little teary-eyed at the 42-minute mark.

Sam Parr 0:21 Um, that is true. Also, your-

Shaan Puri 0:23 That's a prediction, by the way, 'cause we haven't got there yet.

Sam Parr 0:25 Yeah, but that's, like, the whole point of the podcast is, like, predicting things. But your sweatshirt looks great. Is that, like... That's kind of who you are. You're that stupid dog who says-

Shaan Puri 0:33 [laughs] Is he stupid?

Sam Parr 0:37 No.

Shaan Puri 0:37 Or is he a monk?

Sam Parr 0:38 So my, uh, one of my business partner, Joe, he's got that framed in a back- on in the, on his wall, because this is who I am. I am calm when there is fire.

Shaan Puri 0:48 You know what I'm out on, by the way? I am out on the graph that's like, "This is what you think progress looks like. This is what progress actually looks like." [laughs] And it's, like, a squiggly line instead of the straight up and to the right line. I'm out on that. I'm out-

Sam Parr 1:05 What does it look like?

Shaan Puri 1:06 ... on that. What?

Sam Parr 1:08 What's it look like?

Shaan Puri 1:09 No, it's correct. I'm just out on the graphic. Like, we know.

Sam Parr 1:12 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:13 We... Like, if you don't know that by now, like, if you're, if you're over the age of 25, you actually have to report that comment as spam when you see it on LinkedIn.

Sam Parr 1:23 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:24 You c- you can't like it. You have to say, "Flag this as redundant."

Sam Parr 1:28 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:28 I learned this 15 years ago, and it... I got it. The first time I saw it, I got it. Never needed to see it again.

Sam Parr 1:36 Dude, I haven't ran Facebook ads in a couple years, but when I did, what, uh, when I ran it, I think that if just one person clicked flag as spam, that had a meaningful difference on the ad.

Shaan Puri 1:48 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:48 Is that still, is that still the truth?

Shaan Puri 1:50 Uh, I don't know, 'cause that's hard to say. It's hard... It's, it's like a black box now, so it's really hard to know. Um, but dude, you gotta just fire up the old ad manager once in a while, take it for a spin.

Sam Parr 2:00 Well, what I used to do is any competitor, I would always click flag as spam. Or like-

Shaan Puri 2:05 Yeah, I was gonna say, there's only one reason you know that. [laughs]

Sam Parr 2:07 Yeah, I would do it, I would do it constantly. Because when I was running the ads, like, I would have an ad set that got seen by, like, uh, 10 million people, and I would notice, like, if two people clicked flag, that would actually make a meaningful difference in the CPM and click-through rate. And so whenever I learn that I'm like, "Oh, every time I see someone I don't like, flag, flag, flag."

Shaan Puri 2:29 It's, it's honestly a miracle Morning Brew succeeded given that you were doing this.

Sam Parr 2:33 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 2:34 [laughs]

Sam Parr 2:34 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 2:34 More credit to them, actually. [laughs]

Sam Parr 2:36 I created eight accounts just to flag them.

Shaan Puri 2:38 [laughs] All right, let's, um-

Sam Parr 2:40 Um-

Shaan Puri 2:40 Let's, let's-

Sam Parr 2:40 Wait. Before we get in, we do have to remind everyone about the gentleman's agreement. So this-

Shaan Puri 2:44 Well, i- in fact, what you were saying about reporting things and clicking buttons, it just did remind me of the gentleman's agreement.

Sam Parr 2:50 And, and what is the agreement?

Shaan Puri 2:52 Uh, the agreement is... Think of it as an agreement... Uh, think of it as a, as a firm handshake done digitally between, uh, two gentlemen. And, and, and one gentleman says, "I will provide an unlimited, free-flowing, all you can eat buffet of content for the low price of $0 as long as you go to YouTube, you type in My First Million, and you click subscribe." And I'm not just saying that so we get more subscribers. I'm saying that so that you get more of the content that you need. I'm just looking out for you, and so that's just what one gentleman does for another.

Sam Parr 3:25 We dedicate our lives to this podcast. You spend 15 seconds to click subscribe. It's like that's the gentleman's agreement. We can't go to your computer and check that you're doing this. So if you watch more than one episode, you owe it to us, and that's just the agreement.

Shaan Puri 3:38 Yeah, it's more like a Santa, you know, naughty or nice list thing.

Sam Parr 3:41 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 3:41 You just need to do it just in case. [laughs]

Sam Parr 3:44 So please do that for us. We work hard on this. Um,

Sam Parr 3:47 semaglutide. Do you wanna talk about this?

Shaan Puri 3:48 [laughs] I've been wanting to talk about this.

Sam Parr 3:51 I'll be fairly open about semaglutide. I, I decided I will. But I... So you told me, "Let's talk about semaglutide," and I feel a little bit vindicated, 'cause I've been telling you about this thing. I, I... This happens a lot. I-

Shaan Puri 4:03 I wanna say, I wanna say couple months ago. Do you think it was a couple months ago? Let's just say a couple months ago.

Sam Parr 4:09 Uh, it was a little longer than that. It was more like four.

Shaan Puri 4:11 Sam goes, um, "Dude, I'm getting an ins-... " It was after the recording. After the recording, Sam usually unloads, like, one or two just bombshells. And he's like, "Dude, I'm getting in insane shape right now. I'm taking these drugs." And I was like, "What?" And he's like, "Yeah, I took this stuff. It's... Dude, it's amazing. I don't wanna eat any sugar anymore."

Sam Parr 4:30 Hold on. [laughs] Hold on. We have to... Let me set a little bit of the stage here.

Shaan Puri 4:35 [laughs]

Sam Parr 4:35 So I like testing new products, and that oftentimes includes body stuff. I'm just a fiend for testing stuff. I love testing everything. And I'm not opposed to injecting myself, uh, with stuff in order to test it, just like I'm not opposed to buying a $2,000 thing to test it. Like, I just, I'm, I love new technology.

Shaan Puri 4:56 Yeah, like, there's clinical trials. They go phase one, phase two, phase three, phase Sam.

Sam Parr 4:59 Yeah. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 4:59 That's actually how drugs get to market [laughs] is after phase three, it goes straight into Sam's body.

Sam Parr 5:04 Dude, I said earlier in this pod- podcast, if I drive a place that says it has the world's best coffee, I'm testing it. If I see a thing that says zero symptoms, miracle drug, I'm testing it.

Shaan Puri 5:14 [laughs] So okay. So tell me... Uh, so w- w- we'll explain what this is. So there's a, there is a set of drugs, actually. I, so I don't even really know the medical stuff here, and I don't know how to pronounce anything, so you correct me where I'm wrong. But there's this-

Sam Parr 5:26 Well, first of all, w- let's, let's preface this by saying n- this is 100% bro science and we're, like, m- Wikipedia article and, like, three podcasts deep at best. So take everything what we're saying with a grain of salt.

Shaan Puri 5:42 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't do anything we say. Okay, continue on.

Sam Parr 5:46 So basically, the background of this is basically, um, there was this drug that was created to help with diabetes, and the way this works is, uh, sugar cravings, uh, basically come from, like, a blood sugar imbalance. So, like, when you eat sweets or carbs or drink alcohol or something like that, your body releases insulin- And that, like, lowers your blood sugar to a lower level, but, like, when your blood sugar goes up and down, that makes you crave it more. So if you've ever noticed that, like, you get off sugar or like a carb-heavy stuff for 30 days or you're like by week two or three you're like, "Great, I don't actually crave it anymore," but if you just taste it, you're like, "I need more. I need more."

Shaan Puri 6:28 [laughs]

Sam Parr 6:29 And so, [clears throat] and so there's this, uh, series of drugs that have been created for, um, diabetes, and you inject a very small amount of liquid, like, uh, I could say what that it is, but you wouldn't even know. But, uh, like enough to cover a quarter, like a very small amount, and you do it once a week. And they did this trial about, I forget how many years ago, but they tested it with like 3,000 or 4,000 people, and they gave people this drug. And originally it was used for diabetes, but then they tested it for weight loss. And they gave people this drug, and they noticed that when they injected it in their body just once a week, over the course of around a year they lost roughly 15% of their body weight. So what's that mean? If you weighed 300 pounds, and this was for, like, obese people. If you weighed 300 pounds on day one, by, after one year you weighed, uh, what's that? 45 pou- you lost 45 pounds in one year. And people were talking about this and they're like, "This is the craziest drug I've ever, I've ever ta- take." Because basically it... It's an early drug, so we're not sure entirely of the side effects, so this is like the big, the big downside. But, like, for the most part, the side effects were like my stomach hurt, I had some diarrhea, but then after like two weeks that shit went away. Um, and so this drug, what it does, is when you eat bad food, like a sugar or something like that, or carb, you can just eat a little bit of it and you feel full and you don't crave it anymore, and it makes it really fascinating. So ultimately what it does is it lowers your calorie intake from like, you know, eating 3,000 calories a day is pretty easy for some people. Now it's like, "No, I feel super full after 2,000. I don't crave any more food."

Shaan Puri 8:06 Right. And this drug is being taken, the, the, the forms of this drug, it comes as like Ozempic or Wegovy or there's like all these, like, kind of the, the brand names of this same drug or this class of drugs, and it's being taken by tons of Hollywood celebrities, um, tech, kind of like tech people, like Elon Musk.

Sam Parr 8:25 Elon takes it, yeah.

Shaan Puri 8:25 El- Elon Musk said he was taking it. Um, who else? There's a bunch of people that, that have come- kind of said that they're taking it or experimenting with it.

Sam Parr 8:32 Dude, the, um, like basically what's going on with this drug is people were using it for diabetes, and then a couple of really famous people, including Elon... Uh, I think there's, I think the Kardashians said they took it. And once that happened, then, like, the, the rest of the rich and famous started taking it. And so, like, the woman from The Office, the Indian lady, uh, Mindy or something like that?

Shaan Puri 8:50 Oh, Mindy Kaling, yeah.

Sam Parr 8:51 Yeah, there's a lot of people who think she's on it 'cause she just lost a ton of weight. And then The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal separately each wrote articles saying out in the Hamptons and out in LA and Hollywood everyone is on this drug, and everyone automatically-

Shaan Puri 9:04 [laughs]

Sam Parr 9:04 ... like it looks 20 pounds thinner than they did six months prior.

Shaan Puri 9:07 Right.

Sam Parr 9:07 And it's be- causing a shortage for the people who need it for dabe- uh, diabetes.

Shaan Puri 9:12 Yeah. Oat milk is out and Ozempic is in. [laughs]

Sam Parr 9:15 That's right.

Shaan Puri 9:16 So okay, so this is, this is what's going on. So you told me about this a few months ago, and like most things, I'm just like, "I don't know what Sam's talking about. Sounds a little crazy."

Sam Parr 9:27 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 9:27 "I'm just gonna sit this one out and see what happens." Then I hear about it again. Then I heard about it through one of the brand names. I didn't actually realize they were talking about the same thing you were talking about.

Sam Parr 9:36 Who? Who was talking about it?

Shaan Puri 9:37 Um, dude, I, I can't tell you how many random places I have heard this. And then I'm on TikTok, and there's a TikTok doctor talking about it, and I click the comments, and literally the comments are all people with diabetes who are like, "This is why I can't get my drugs. [laughs] Like, what's going on?" So there's basically this ton of people with diabetes that are, like, experiencing... 'Cause there's a shortage of access to, uh, to these drugs right now, and so they're trying to, um, try to keep up. So okay, where do we wanna go with this? So there's a couple things. So basically you were ahead of the curve. You told me about it a couple months before I started hearing about it. It's still not fully out there. I wanted to talk about it now because I think three to six months from now, this is gonna be, like, a household name. A lot of people are gonna know this because it's gonna be on, you know, CNN, Fox News. People are gonna talk about it, more celebrities are gonna come out about it. There's gonna be controversies about it. There's gonna be all sorts of things. And so-

Sam Parr 10:33 So we wanna, like, call our shot and be like, we talked about it early.

Shaan Puri 10:36 Yeah, we should have talked about it right when you said it, and-

Sam Parr 10:38 Dude, it was June, by the way

Shaan Puri 10:40 ... this is us making up for it.

Sam Parr 10:40 I t- we, I started, uh, learning about it in June.

Shaan Puri 10:43 June?

Sam Parr 10:43 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 10:44 Six months ago. Oh, man, so you, you've been way ahead of the curve. Okay, so, so you tell me about this miracle drug. Now I'm like, you know, most people, a miracle drug, you know, I, I'm skeptical initially. So can we talk about, I guess, like have you looked into the science and the side effects? 'Cause I asked a doctor friend and he goes, "Yeah, these drugs, they're super effective," and he's like, "They work." Uh, there's known... He, he's like, "I don't know of any, uh, kinda known downsides to taking them right now, but also they're so new. So, like, you know, we'll see 10 years from now if, you know, everybody's small intestine is shriveled up into like a little pea and they... or what, what happened." So, so-

Sam Parr 11:18 Well, that's the, that, that is the-

Shaan Puri 11:19 ... what do you know?

Sam Parr 11:20 That's the downside which is it... Now this particular drug, I don't actually think it's that new. Like, these types of things have existed for, I, I believe a couple decades. Um, but they, the, the... it is, like, new, like, on a bigger scale. Um, I read, like there's like this orig- original study that they tested this on 2,000 or 3000 people and they found that, like, the side effects are, like, for some people you, um, like you get muscle cramps or stomach cramps and, like, some things where you're just, like, uncomfortable for two or three weeks. For me, when I started, uh, toying around with it, I got really cold. I was, like, freezing all day and I wanted to-

Shaan Puri 11:55 Right

Sam Parr 11:55 ... like wear a coat. And I thought that was just because I was just, like, 9% body fat, but I think it was partially the drug. Um, there's another thing where, like, they, there's a chance it causes thyroid cancer, but, like, uh, they didn't, that, that doesn't seem like a statistically significant thing, at least not to the point of, like, causing true concern.

Shaan Puri 12:12 Right.

Sam Parr 12:12 I think the, the biggest concern is- I don't know. You know what I mean?

Shaan Puri 12:16 Yeah, we just don't know yet.

Sam Parr 12:16 It's like-

Shaan Puri 12:16 Okay.

Sam Parr 12:17 Yeah

Shaan Puri 12:17 ... so fair- fair enough. And we're not, that's not our specialty so let's not, uh, uh, talk too much about it. Let's talk about some of the... I wanna talk about the business side and then I wanna talk about your other experiments that you've done on-

Sam Parr 12:27 Oh, wait. Hold on

Shaan Puri 12:27 ... weight and fat.

Sam Parr 12:28 You know what's interesting, though, about this? Why this is gonna be big, I think? Dude, I think, I, I think p- there's a world where this, like, cures obesity. So there was one downside, which is, like, at the study that they, everyone lost this weight on, after they quit taking it-

Shaan Puri 12:42 Like, the downside is if you were into obesity [laughs]

Sam Parr 12:46 Yeah [laughs] . No, dude, the downside was, like, people gained weight after they quit taking it. Like, they gained-

Shaan Puri 12:51 Okay

Sam Parr 12:51 ... back, like, 2/3 of the weight

Shaan Puri 12:53 Downside.

Sam Parr 12:53 So, like, if you don't, like, actually use it to create habits and then you get off of it, you're just gonna get fat again. But, um, the, I think there's a world where it helps, like, get rid of obesity. I also think there's a world... I think there's a world where it could help cure alcoholism. Dude, there's been people posting... I like, here, the re- the way I found all the, find all this stuff is I go to forums, which we can talk about in a second. But people are like, "I'm an alcoholic and I started taking this and I don't crave alcohol anymore."

Shaan Puri 13:17 Like, what's the name of a forum? Like, Reddit or you're talking about, like, deep forum, like bodybuilding.com or something?

Sam Parr 13:23 Yeah, yeah. So, like, it could be a body... I will go to bodybuilding.com or there's a Reddit called Semaglutide. There's a Reddit called, uh, s- uh, Ozempic and Wegovy. There's subreddits for all of them. How many people are a part of the Reddit for Semaglutide?

Shaan Puri 13:37 Uh, let's look right now. So there are...

Sam Parr 13:45 14,000. 15,000.

Shaan Puri 13:45 14,000 members. Not that many.

Sam Parr 13:47 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 13:47 So that's pretty low. That's not what I would've expected.

Sam Parr 13:49 So, like... But that's cool. That's enough people that, like, it gets pretty interesting. And then there's another one for, like, each brand name.

Shaan Puri 13:55 Ozempic-

Sam Parr 13:56 And then-

Shaan Puri 13:56 ... 19,000. So, and then, okay, so here's some kinda crazy business stuff. So to me, I'm like, wow, there's a, there's a miracle drug that helps you lose weight easily and almost guaranteed, and to people, like, tons of people, and a bunch of celebrities are doing it. This thing is gonna fly. So sure enough, the, you know, supply starts getting, uh, constrained 'cause so- too many people are trying to get it. Um, have you heard of some of these brands that try to give it to you and how cra- how much they're doing right now? So there's one, like-

Sam Parr 14:24 Are you talking about the Norvo, the, the European company, and then, like, the, like, just the big pharma-

Shaan Puri 14:28 That's, I think, the maker of it. So I was looking... I was like, how do I benefit from this financially? [laughs]

Sam Parr 14:32 Tell me.

Shaan Puri 14:32 I was like, I'm not taking this drug, but how do I make some money? [laughs]

Sam Parr 14:35 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 14:35 That's, that's a different drug. And, um, so I looked into the, you know, the maker of it, the stock, and then I was like, okay, well, um, how do, uh, who, how are people getting this today? So first search if you search Ozempic is a company called Calibrate, and Calibrate has some crazy stats. So Calibrate... Let me just send you, uh, or let me just read this out.

Sam Parr 14:53 Go joincalibrate.com?

Shaan Puri 14:55 Yeah. So Calibrate, basically you go to their landing page and it's, like, Ozempic online weight loss prescription. It's a safe doctor-prescribed GLP-1 thing. You know, see if you're eligible, and then basically you get, it's like telemedicine. You get a call, you get a prescription, you get your weight loss drug. Um, they, they are currently valued at about 40, uh, 450 million, this company. In less than 24 months, um, they've basically scaled to about a $50 million run rate-

Sam Parr 15:26 No way

Shaan Puri 15:26 ... which is-

Sam Parr 15:27 Really?

Shaan Puri 15:27 ... kinda crazy. So June, uh, July 2020 it's a zero. Um, July 2021 it's less than, like, you know, it's v- you know, it's tiny, and then it's gone up, I wanna say... What is this?

Sam Parr 15:41 How did you see this?

Shaan Puri 15:43 Um, I can't really say, but it's gone up, you know, 10X in a year. Um, so that's kinda crazy, and they project that they'll-

Sam Parr 15:50 Well, do you know why? Do-

Shaan Puri 15:52 They project by the end of this year they'll be at 60 million, and by the end of next year they'll be at 140 million.

Sam Parr 15:56 So Semaglutide, it costs, like, 500 bucks a month, and when you take it, you're like, "This is dope. I'm, I don't wanna quit taking this."

Shaan Puri 16:04 [laughs] Right. You're like, "Hey, turn off the heater. I gotta pay-"

Sam Parr 16:10 Yeah

Shaan Puri 16:10 ... "for Ozempic." [laughs]

Sam Parr 16:12 Well, it's like, uh, y- like, what would you pay to, like, be ripped? You know what I mean? You'll pay a lot.

Shaan Puri 16:17 Uh, d- yeah. [laughs]

Sam Parr 16:19 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 16:20 Yeah. You know what I wo- turns out I won't do is inject myself with a, you know, a kinda newish drug, but, you know-

Sam Parr 16:25 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 16:25 ... I think I'm, I'm in the minority here. It looks like the majority of people are doing it. So, uh, there's this company, there's NexMed. Um, "Obesity is a disease, not a choice. We will help correct your body chemistry with, uh, with this drug." Um, okay, that's pretty, pretty strong, um, pretty strong marketing. Okay, cool. So that's, uh, that's the first part, is people are gonna Google search this thing like crazy. If you go to Google Trends right now and you search for, like, Ozempic or you search Semaglutide, you just see it's, like, basically going up, up, up, up, up, up. And then the, the Google Trends, like, you know, they do this forecast where it's, like, a dotted line, and the dotted line is going straight up to 100 [laughs] .

Sam Parr 17:00 Is it really?

Shaan Puri 17:02 Yeah. They're like, "This thing is gonna fly." Um, and so, like, you know, I, I think there's, there's gonna be a lot of people doing this. I think that if you are creating content that is reviews, s- reviews, science, uh, like summari- summarizing the science around this stuff, I think that you can make a killing right now if you can get in the top rank on SEO or on YouTube doing reviews and, um, scientific summaries and, um, FAQs on this, uh, on, on these drugs, because you will then be able to affiliate link out that lead, and if it's $500 a month and people are staying on this thing for multiple years, you might be getting paid, you know, $3,000 a lead or $10,000-

Sam Parr 17:48 For sure

Shaan Puri 17:48 ... a lead or something like that, right? Like, it, it could get kinda crazy depending on what the lifetime value is of these things. And so, um, I think that somebody who creates content for those Google searches is gonna do really, really well, right? Like, if I go search... I haven't looked at all the, uh-

Sam Parr 18:02 So a lot of the stuff-

Shaan Puri 18:03 ... SEO tools for this, but-

Sam Parr 18:04 Well, a lot of the... When I went and, I went and researched this like crazy and I used, um, YouTube and I used a bunch of different stuff to, like, learn about it, the, the majority of this content is mostly for women who are overweight, you know? It's, it's, uh, it's overweight women, and I went and I was like, "Okay, but is this, what does this drug do for, like- ... kind of fit men. I was like, "What's going..." You know, I like, that's like the niche that I'm [laughs] curious about. Like, okay, cool, if you're like-

Shaan Puri 18:30 Just handsome podcasters-

Sam Parr 18:31 Yeah [laughs]

Shaan Puri 18:32 ... as a, a category.

Sam Parr 18:33 Yeah, is there a niche for like, uh, like guy next door? Like, you know what I mean?

Shaan Puri 18:37 [laughs]

Sam Parr 18:37 Um, but I was like looking for like, all right, so if you're 300 pounds, this could make you 200 pounds, but like, you know-

Shaan Puri 18:45 Right

Sam Parr 18:45 ... like I don't need to be less fat. Like, I, I just wanna... You know, how do I just-

Shaan Puri 18:49 If he got a beam on his face and a B+ body [laughs] -

Sam Parr 18:51 [laughs] Yeah

Shaan Puri 18:52 ... where am I going after this?

Sam Parr 18:54 Like, I'm like, how can a Missouri eight become like a New York seven?

Shaan Puri 18:57 [laughs]

Sam Parr 18:58 That's just what I wanted to know. That was the niche. Um, so I was trying to learn about it. But there's like not that much content. There's some content on... about it on YouTube with like Joe Rogan and More Plates More Dates talks about it. Huberman is beginning to talk about it a little bit, but there's not a significant amount.

Shaan Puri 19:12 Right. I also think that, uh, opening a Facebook group of people who are trying these things out-

Sam Parr 19:18 Would be dope

Shaan Puri 19:18 ... or even batching it by month, like November, you know, Ozempic bunnies, and it's like, you know, "Here, here we go. We're all going in. How's everyone doing?" "Oh my God, it's amazing." "Oh, you're on the fence? Click this link and you can get in. You know, like, here's, here's how it works." And so I think that there's a bunch of different ways to be an affiliate for this stuff that-

Sam Parr 19:35 So-

Shaan Puri 19:35 ... that I think is gonna do well, plus obviously the companies that are selling this stuff directly.

Sam Parr 19:39 And you don't wanna take this? You're not, you're not on board?

Shaan Puri 19:42 Um, like I don't know. I'm fine. Like, I ha- like, I'm not like m- uh, completely against the idea of taking it. I just, uh, I play it safe when it comes to health stuff. And, uh, I, I play it safe more, more, more than anything else. And so if there's a lot of unknowns and it sounds a little too good to be true, I just gotta wait. And like, you know, if I get shredded next year, it's fine.

Sam Parr 20:08 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 20:08 Two years from now, if I wait this out, I'll be okay. Uh, you know, like-

Sam Parr 20:11 Look, all I'm saying is like-

Shaan Puri 20:12 ... if this really is gonna make it so that nobody gets fat anymore, then honestly, being shredded ain't gonna mean shit anyways. So, uh, not sure. Not sure how I feel about it.

Sam Parr 20:21 You're just fighting the advances of, of modern science at your own loss. You know what I mean?

Shaan Puri 20:25 [laughs] Yeah.

Sam Parr 20:26 Like-

Shaan Puri 20:27 I'm like a flat Earther o- of [laughs] of the body.

Sam Parr 20:30 Well, and, and we should say, like, I do think that like being natural, like I, p- I think there's pros and cons where they're like, people are like, "Well, I don't wanna take drugs." And I'm like, "Well, like, would you ke- would you take..." There, and they imply that natural's better, and I'm like, I think that's actually a, a stupid argument because like I could go eat some seed. That's natural, and that can kill me.

Shaan Puri 20:49 Right.

Sam Parr 20:49 And also, like, if you're, if you're sick, do you do chemo? Of course you do.

Shaan Puri 20:55 Right.

Sam Parr 20:55 And so where do you draw the line as to like what you will and will not do? And I love testing drugs and testing all of my, like I said, new products 'cause I'm like, I actually wanna find out where my line is. You know, is your... Like, you could be like, "Well, I'm not gonna drive a car. That's not natural and it kills people." But I'm like, yeah, but it's pretty, pretty sick. Cars are cool.

Shaan Puri 21:11 [laughs]

Sam Parr 21:12 Like, so like it, it kinda makes it worth it. So I, I, I challenge people to ask themselves. And for them they may say, "Well, I just don't wanna take anything." And I say, "I think that's great. Do what you want." But I always think it's like an interesting argument when people say they're unwilling to take a certain drug, and I'm like, well, but you're... if you drink this Coca-Cola or if you take Advil, like where are we gonna draw the line?

Shaan Puri 21:32 Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna draw the line at things that, um, I already thought were normal, and new things stay out.

Sam Parr 21:39 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 21:39 That's, that's the reality.

Sam Parr 21:40 Look, I'm, I'm what you call dug in.

Shaan Puri 21:43 [laughs]

Sam Parr 21:44 I've made my mind, and I am not changing. [laughs] Okay? [laughs]

Shaan Puri 21:49 [laughs] I have mental cleats and I'm-

Sam Parr 21:52 Yeah

Shaan Puri 21:52 ... in the ground right now. Um-

Sam Parr 21:54 All right. Where do we go from here?

Shaan Puri 21:56 Um, let's move on. So, um, other things. Oh, wait, wait. Let's finish up with weird things that you've explored that are not Semaglutide.

Sam Parr 22:05 [laughs] Dude.

Shaan Puri 22:06 So this looks too good to pass

Shaan Puri 22:08 up.

Sam Parr 22:08 [laughs] So vaping weed, I was on that train since 2004, and I used to- [laughs]

Shaan Puri 22:15 [laughs]

Sam Parr 22:16 So nowadays... 'Cause I was like, well, I want weed, but I don't want like smoke. And I was never like a weed guy, but I like r- I was, remember thinking about this and I'm like, I don't, I don't really even like this drug, but like the whole smoke thing seems weird. And so years ago [laughs] I bought a thing where I was like trying to research this like crazy, and like there's vaporizers. But, and there's this thing called the Volcano. You know what that is?

Shaan Puri 22:40 No.

Sam Parr 22:40 It's like a $600 vape thing that would like put vape in like this plastic bag and you would toss it a- around the room, and I was like, "That's stupid." And, um, so I like went and found this like wood maker who made like an oven that you light on fire. It's basically like a meth pipe for weed.

Shaan Puri 22:56 [laughs]

Sam Parr 22:56 And it heats the weed to like a certain temperature and it turns it into vapes. And I was like, "Portable vapes, this is gonna be a thing."

Shaan Puri 23:01 [laughs]

Sam Parr 23:02 And then like PAX came out. Speaking of-

Shaan Puri 23:05 How, how, how far ahead of the curve were you on that? So you started vaping 2004? That's crazy. Uh-

Sam Parr 23:10 It-

Shaan Puri 23:10 ... when did vaping become popular? I feel like that's like five years ago.

Sam Parr 23:13 Five years ago. But I was all about vaping.

Shaan Puri 23:15 You-

Sam Parr 23:15 The other vape that I thought was gonna be a thing and it never turned out, I learned about vaping alcohol. Turns out that's not like... there's not like that much science to it.

Shaan Puri 23:24 [laughs]

Sam Parr 23:24 And bud chugging's actually the way to go. But I was [laughs] I was curious about like can you actually get drunk off of vapes? So I remember like reading d-

Shaan Puri 23:33 By the way, we gotta put up the picture of you with the incredible hick tan, uh, versus you now. [laughs] This is the like, uh, Ozempic, uh, you know, infomercial. [laughs]

Sam Parr 23:46 How did you feel about that? That's pretty messed up, right?

Shaan Puri 23:48 [laughs] Wha- what's, what's pretty messed up here, your before picture?

Sam Parr 23:52 So basically I posted a before picture on Twitter, and my before picture, it looks like I'm Kid Rock's nephew. Uh, like it-

Shaan Puri 24:00 Your before picture honestly looks like s- like somebody is staging a before picture.

Sam Parr 24:05 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 24:05 It's like, all right, how do we make this as crazy as possible?

Sam Parr 24:09 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 24:09 Like, yeah, just like turn the knob up all the way. Like, yeah, like y- [laughs] so somebody said, "It looks like you got... That guy definitely has a couch in his lawn." [laughs]

Sam Parr 24:18 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 24:19 Sahil said that. It was so good.

Sam Parr 24:20 Dude, later that day I saw a guy get shot in his leg with an AK-47 in a drive-by.

Shaan Puri 24:25 [laughs]

Sam Parr 24:26 I [laughs] it was the most hectic part of my life. It, it wa-

Shaan Puri 24:29 I was like, this guy definitely has like an, a, a loose, you know, hot dog in his pocket right now just in case he bumps into a ringer.

Sam Parr 24:34 Dude, I looked like a hot dog. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 24:36 [laughs] Yeah. So you, um, you know- You, you are a man of progress. You're a symbol of progress. Um, so that, that's amazing. The, uh, other thing you said, you're taking some, like, crazy wonder drug for your, uh, Achilles right now. You wanna talk about that or no?

Sam Parr 24:51 I'm, I'm, I'm looking into this thing, and I've, and I've tested it out a little bit. Uh, it's called BPC-157. So it's a, it's a peptide which is, it's hard to... I, I, I'm not a doctor. I don't even like explaining this stuff.

Shaan Puri 25:03 [laughs]

Sam Parr 25:03 But it's basically, um, like an amino acid, and it, it-

Shaan Puri 25:08 Okay, we, we have no public math, maybe we should also have no public science. [laughs]

Sam Parr 25:11 Well, here, here's why I started getting interested. I started reading on Reddit on, like, the pepti- uh, what's it called? A peptide Reddit. And this guy was like, "My shoulder has been hurting me for 20 years, and I injected myself with this thing, and, like, three days later I have zero pain." And I've complained for, like, five years that my Achilles and my calf, like, it always, I'm always in pain. And so I was like, "Screw it. This one Reddit guy, I'm gonna try this out."

Shaan Puri 25:37 [laughs]

Sam Parr 25:37 And so I did it. My calf feels amazing. I have zero pain. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 25:42 [laughs]

Sam Parr 25:42 Dude, and so that's my

Sam Parr 25:44 point. So I think, and this is kinda what I wanted to talk about. I, so, like, I think that you can find patterns n- in non-quantitative places. So Facebook groups, forums, article comments, uh, comments on, um, like, when Fox or CNN or whatever, when they post their articles on, on Facebook, looking at the comments, and 90% of it is total nonsense, but there's something interesting about, like, repeatedly seeing these things. Like, here's a really, like, controversial one that was controversial at first, but now we're like, "Huh, maybe it's not bad." It's like when you were... When I, I, I follow all political spectrum on Facebook, so I can see, like, what articles are the trends, and I'm like, "Wow, Fox keeps po- or Breitbart keeps posting about Wuhan lab and, like, a virus coming out of it. Like, what are, what?" No, this, the... We didn't, it just didn't come out this way, but why do they keep saying this? And so-

Shaan Puri 26:44 You're like, "It can't be true. Someone ate a bat in their soup, and that was what happened." [laughs]

Sam Parr 26:48 Yeah, that's what I thought. But, like, this is, and this is just one example where nowadays we're like, "Huh, that's actually plausible maybe." And so what I try to do is whenever I see these crazy things, I try to say, "What's the repeated pattern?" And let me ask myself, like, what is the evidence, not, "These people are crazy," or, "This is stupid."

Shaan Puri 27:06 Right.

Sam Parr 27:06 So, like, if I hear about a drug or a product my, or my... I used to say, "You're just nuts. You're insane. You don't know anything that you're talking about. You're... Just be normal." Now I say, "Well, why are you saying that?" And, like, "Is there any evidence?" Here's, like, for example, here's one that was interesting, and I'm not a political guy, it just so happens that the political things are, like, way easier because there's way more of them. I saw this, like, crazy Instagram handle say that Putin has cancer and he's, like, close to dying. That could be total nonsense, but I'm like, "That's really weird that someone would say that. Let me, like, go and research." And then, like, I'm, like, research, like, oh wow, he did cancel two, like, things recently.

Shaan Puri 27:43 [laughs]

Sam Parr 27:43 So I understand why you could jump to that, like, conspiracy. But, like, it's just, like, interesting to see, like, new ideas pop up and patterns that repeatedly happen, and then to ask yourself why, and that's typically how I find a lot of interesting trends. Another one is, like, do you remember keto being really popular?

Shaan Puri 27:59 Yeah.

Sam Parr 28:00 Dude, keto's dead. Keto's, keto's gone.

Shaan Puri 28:02 [laughs]

Sam Parr 28:02 Like, I, I would bet, I haven't looked at it, but go to Google Trends right now and type in keto, and I bet you it looks like a mountain. Like, we're on the right side of the mountain where it's going down. And, uh, like, you just start seeing these trends where, like, people are like, "Who does keto anymore?" Or, uh-

Shaan Puri 28:16 Yeah

Sam Parr 28:16 ... like, you just start seeing these things, and I find that so fascinating, like, to figure out where these subcultures are on the internet and what do people who are considered freaks, what are they believing, and actually which one of their controversial opinions is gonna prove to be true in, like, you know, a couple years.

Shaan Puri 28:32 You know, I gotta give it to you. Um, when you first started saying that you saw-

Sam Parr 28:35 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 28:36 ... a guy on Reddit say that his shoulder pain went away and then you injected yourself, I thought to myself, "This guy's an idiot."

Sam Parr 28:42 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 28:43 But now I realize I misjudged you.

Sam Parr 28:45 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 28:47 You're a biohacker. We just needed to change the label. [laughs]

Sam Parr 28:50 [laughs] We just, we just went from mayonnaise to aioli, and I love it. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 28:55 [laughs] That's all you needed. You didn't, you didn't need to be like, "Yeah, I, uh, [laughs] I just take random drugs from-

Sam Parr 29:01 Dude

Shaan Puri 29:02 ... recommended by strangers on the internet." You need to say, "I'm part of the biohacker community."

Sam Parr 29:06 Yeah. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 29:06 And, "Uh-huh."

Sam Parr 29:07 It's like Indiana-

Shaan Puri 29:08 Wow, fantastic

Sam Parr 29:09 ... it's like Indiana Jones rebranding a, a male purse. Like, he nailed it.

Shaan Puri 29:13 [laughs]

Sam Parr 29:13 That's what I need. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 29:14 [laughs] All right. Let's go to the next one. Um, okay, I got something kinda interesting for you. So, uh, speaking of Indiana Jones.

Sam Parr 29:22 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 29:23 I saw a clip. This is actually a good transition.

Sam Parr 29:26 Oh.

Shaan Puri 29:26 I saw a clip of the new Indiana Jones trailer. I don't know if you've seen this. Have you seen the new movie trailer for Indiana Jones?

Sam Parr 29:32 No, I, I play sports and work out and stuff.

Shaan Puri 29:34 [laughs]

Sam Parr 29:37 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 29:39 So in there-

Sam Parr 29:40 I don't watch, like, wizard movies.

Shaan Puri 29:42 S- well... [laughs]

Sam Parr 29:44 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 29:45 Yeah, Indiana Jones, top five wizard. Um, he, so it's played by Harrison Ford, right? Uh, but, you know, Indiana Jones is, like, the remake, but it's Harrison Ford again, and there's, in the trailer, there's this one scene where Harrison Ford, who c- you know, he looks like, uh, you know, like somebody calls him Papa now. Like, you know, he's, uh-

Sam Parr 30:04 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 30:04 He's, he's, he's a little older. Um, he g- like, rewinds the clock, and he looks like young Harrison Ford in a scene, and I was like, "Oh, how did they do-

Sam Parr 30:12 I think-

Shaan Puri 30:12 ... how did they do that?"

Sam Parr 30:13 I think the t- the technical term, by the way, for people of that age is Graybush. Sh- that's the preferred nomenclature. Show some respect. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 30:20 Okay, [laughs] my bad. Pronouns are gray/bush, so, um.

Sam Parr 30:24 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 30:26 So I was like, "How did they do that thing where they, like, made him look young in that one scene?" Like, that was pretty, pretty cool, and I found out that the South Park guys have a company around this. Have you

Shaan Puri 30:36 seen this?

Sam Parr 30:36 Dude.

Shaan Puri 30:36 The guys who created South Park have this company called Deep Voodoo.

Sam Parr 30:40 And they've raised a lot of money for it.

Shaan Puri 30:42 They raised $20 million, and what they're doing is- They are creating deep fake technology for movies. So they're like, "Yo, visual effects, expensive as hell. What if we can do it using AI and deep fakes?" And, um, the way this works is they actually were making a movie that required a lot of visual effects, and so they were kinda building this technology in-house for their own production, and I think something happened. COVID happened. They shut down the movie. And so now the movie is not happening, but they s- they were like, "Well, how do we turn this, you know, turn this lemon into lemonade? How do we turn this failure into, you know, something that could be successful?" And so they spun out the technology as its own company, and they're like, "Yeah, we're gonna basically do th- use this technology to make it easier to do visual effects." And so then there's this, uh, I put a link i- in our doc here. Um, oh, no, I didn't put the link in. But there's a, a music video by, what's his name?

Sam Parr 31:37 Uh, Kendrick Lamar. It was amazing.

Shaan Puri 31:39 Kendrick Lam- okay, you've seen this video.

Sam Parr 31:41 It was amazing. Yeah, dude, I was gonna, I was, I've been looking into this. I was-

Shaan Puri 31:44 Did you... You play sports, you exercise-

Sam Parr 31:47 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 31:47 ... and you also watch rap videos.

Sam Parr 31:50 [laughs] Yeah.

Shaan Puri 31:52 Damn. [laughs]

Sam Parr 31:53 I'm not a normal podcaster.

Shaan Puri 31:55 All right.

Sam Parr 31:55 I'm a cool podcaster. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 31:57 [laughs]

Sam Parr 31:58 Dude, the Kendrick Lamar music video is so good.

Shaan Puri 32:02 So-

Sam Parr 32:02 It is so good. It's magic

Shaan Puri 32:03 ... they use this technology.

Sam Parr 32:04 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 32:04 So what he's doing is he's... Uh, describe it. Like, you, you know it better than I do. I've only seen it once. Sounds like you actually-

Sam Parr 32:09 So-

Shaan Puri 32:09 ... saw it in the wild

Sam Parr 32:10 ... basically, if I'm, w- uh, it's, it's j- just basically a close-up of Kendrick Lamar, and it's just him rapping

Shaan Puri 32:17 Uh, so it's Kendrick Lamar, The Heart Part 5. It's him siti- sitting in a chair.

Sam Parr 32:22 Yep.

Shaan Puri 32:22 It starts off-

Sam Parr 32:22 And like, yeah

Shaan Puri 32:22 ... it's him. Then at, like, the one minute 45 second mark, all of a sudden his face just changes into, uh, OJ Simpson.

Sam Parr 32:29 And it looks great.

Shaan Puri 32:30 It looked like the... He's wearing the same shirt, same hair. It just, just his facial features change to identical to OJ Simpson, but he keeps rapping, and it's not like, you know, sometimes you see these AI things where the mouth is like, it's like not quite moving with the words? And you would think that it'd be pretty hard to do with rap. Um, but they did it.

Sam Parr 32:48 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 32:48 It's like it looks perfect, and he looks like OJ. Then he changes into Will Smith, then he changes into Kanye, then he changes into Nipsey Hussle. He changes into... And he just keeps, uh, morphing. And if you look at the bio, it says, "Deep fake from Deep Voodoo. Special thanks to Matt Stone, Trey Parker, and Deep Voodoo, uh, for the production of this video." And so that is, uh, that's pretty cool, and I think this is kind of amazing. These guys, these guys, uh, you know, the South Park guys, that's kind of like a... Like, some people look up to Elon, and they're like, "Oh, Elon is the, the, he's, that's the, that's the best it can be career-wise. You know, he's the, he's the Michael Jordan." For me, these guys are a little bit more like the Michael Jordan, right?

Sam Parr 33:28 I agree, man.

Shaan Puri 33:29 Like, the creation, the creation of South Park-

Sam Parr 33:29 They've never, they, they have no blemishes

Shaan Puri 33:30 ... creation of South Park, South Park's amazing. The way they went about it, the way they poured their heart and soul into it. If you ever watch that movie, what is it, Seven Days to Air? Have you seen this movie?

Sam Parr 33:40 Yeah. It's awesome, man. Tell, say what it is.

Shaan Puri 33:42 It basically shows how they, they produced South Park in one week. Every episode is in one, in seven days, and they just followed them for, like, a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then it's like, boom, here's the, the episode goes live and all right, back to the meeting room tomorrow. We gotta do another one. And we do that for the whole season, and that's how they stay super topical with their, with their, um, shows, whereas other shows can't because they, they film the whole thing over a longer period of time, or they animate it over a longer period of time. So they can't do things that just happened. Um, so they did that. They did Book of Mormon, so now then they, they crush it at the play, um, you know, Broadway play, you know, space. Now they're doing it with this produc- this, uh, technology company, this production company. I think they just signed a $900 million deal, by the way, with somebody.

Sam Parr 34:25 What?

Shaan Puri 34:25 So these guys are just, like, crushing it.

Sam Parr 34:26 Wait, what nine, what $900 million deal?

Shaan Puri 34:29 I think with, uh, Viacom. They signed a deal, I think, for South Park or, uh, I don't know if it's South Park or it's other shows, too, but it's, uh-

Sam Parr 34:37 That's crazy, dude

Shaan Puri 34:38 ... pretty crazy.

Sam Parr 34:38 And I bet I, I wouldn't doubt if they're each worth something like $400 million. Um, these guys are, like, prolific, and they've done it, how long has South Park been around? I think, like, 30 years.

Shaan Puri 34:49 And they're just boys.

Sam Parr 34:49 And then they're just, sorry, not 30, but they're just friends.

Shaan Puri 34:51 They're just friends, dude. It's great.

Sam Parr 34:53 Yeah, they're great, man. And, like, what's funny is these guys make, like, raunchy kid comedy, and they've never had, like, a blemish. Like, they've never really done anything wrong. Like, the worst thing they've ever done is, like, gone to, like, the... Remember when they went to the awards ceremony on LSD, and they dressed up like JLo?

Shaan Puri 35:10 [laughs] No.

Sam Parr 35:13 So, so there was, like, that e- there was an MTV Movie Awards where JLo wore this, uh, Jennifer Lor- or Lopez wore this, like, green dress that was, like, risque and, like, was iconic, whatever. The next year, they dressed up like that.

Shaan Puri 35:25 They, uh, they wore that. Actually, I do remember this. Yeah, that dress is iconic. So-

Sam Parr 35:29 And they tell the story. They're like, "Yeah, we just, like, took a bunch of LSD and decided to do that," and they're hilarious. These guys are the best, and they're super prolific, man. They're awesome.

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Shaan Puri 35:56 So these guys, I think they gotta be our Billy of the Week. [upbeat music]

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Shaan Puri 36:07 [upbeat music] So they signed a $900 million deal with ViacomCBS in August of 2021. Book of Mormon, their Broadway play, has grossed 500 million in revenue, and they just raised $20 million for this new deep fake company. Um, and basically, they say, you know, deep fakes have this rap of being, you know, problematic 'cause there's gonna be fake news, and there's gonna be misinformation. But also, it's gonna be really important for Hollywood films, so things like, um, de-aging the character, like in Har- in, uh, like Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones or the music video stuff that you saw. Their bet is that visual effects are too expensive and that deep fake technology can make it much more cost-effective to do creative work. And, um, yeah, it's kinda crazy. So they, they basically, the movie... They had a movie suspended due to COVID, they pivoted out the team and decided to provide deep fake tools to Hollywood. Um, before that, the thing they were making was a 14-minute comedy featuring a t- a deep faked version of Donald Trump. And so that's what got, uh-

Sam Parr 37:05 Which was good

Shaan Puri 37:05 ... got canned. Um, yeah.

Sam Parr 37:08 Did you just yawn during your own segment?

Shaan Puri 37:11 I've been doing a lot of talking here.

Sam Parr 37:12 [laughs]

Sam Parr 37:15 Um-

Shaan Puri 37:15 You know another good, another good South Park thing, another good South Park thing that I stole from them a long time ago was there's this video of them talking about storytelling. Have you seen this? Where they're like, uh-

Sam Parr 37:24 No

Shaan Puri 37:24 ... they're like, "We have one trick when it comes to story, so one rule when it comes to storytelling." And, um, they, it's like they're teaching a class, I think, on storytelling. And they go, "Anywhere you can say, 'And, and then this happened.'" He's like, you know, wh- when a kid tells a boring story, they're like, "I came from school, and then my mom said this, and then she said I could have some candy, and then she go- I got the candy, and then..." It's like, dude, this is the most boring story ever. Just, you know, kill me now.

Sam Parr 37:50 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 37:51 And then, you know, [laughs] you know, and then is that, that key word where you're not providing any twists and turns that would make this an interesting story. You're just layering on more shit, more shit, more shit. And so they're like, swap that with a but therefore. So i- instead, you would say, "I came home from school and asked my mom for candy, but she wasn't home, and she's always supposed to be home. Therefore, I went outside and I started saying, 'Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom.' But the only person who was there was this, uh, my neighbor who's always creepy," blah, blah, blah. And so but and therefore make for an interesting story, whereas and then makes for-

Sam Parr 38:28 That's good

Shaan Puri 38:28 ... a boring story. So they can literally take a script and just cross out all the sort of, like, and then, uh, types of s- of, of connector words and replace them with a but and so or a but and therefore.

Sam Parr 38:39 S- we, someone tweeted, um, "Why do you like My First Million?" And we got, like, hundreds of replies, and the common thread was, um, Shaan just oozes and drips charisma, and his storytelling is so good and is just addicting.

Shaan Puri 38:59 And Sam has a funny laugh.

Sam Parr 39:00 Sam is there. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 39:02 [laughs]

Sam Parr 39:05 One guy goes, [laughs] "Sha- Shaan's got such good stories, and he's such a great storyteller. Sorry, Sam." [laughs]

Shaan Puri 39:14 [laughs] Yeah, I don't know what was going on there. I think 'cause I retweeted it, so it was like-

Sam Parr 39:20 Mm-hmm

Shaan Puri 39:20 ... you know, people who, who like me, I guess, who were, who were replying. But, um, yeah, they were like, you know, uh, the, the experience, the stories, whatever. I was like, I feel like your experience-

Sam Parr 39:29 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 39:29 ... stories and, like, crazy weirdness is what makes the podcast tick. I really believe that. I think... Oh, here's another compliment I got for you. I was actually gonna start the pod with this. I forgot.

Sam Parr 39:38 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 39:40 I was, when we were at that, um, like, you know, weekend retreat or whatever, uh, I had asked somebody a question. I was like, 'cause I'm trying to think about what to do with my life, right? I'm like, okay, sold Milk Road, thinking about what's next, and I was like, "Okay, I think life comes down to, like, picking the right thing to want. So, like, picking what you want and then bending reality to make it happen."

Sam Parr 40:03 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 40:04 And picking the right thing to want in the first place is almost even harder than f- becoming a reality bender. Like, at this point-

Sam Parr 40:12 It's way harder

Shaan Puri 40:12 ... I believe I'm a reality bender. That was hard.

Sam Parr 40:14 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 40:15 But that was the first 15 years, and now I realize, oh, shoot, if I am a reality bender, I better pick right. And so I said, so I asked somebody, I go, I go, who was there, I go, "Man, who do we know? Who, who are examples of people that I feel like they pick the right things to, to care about and to work on and, like, go f- like, they pick the right goals, basically, and then they bend reality and make them happen?" And I was like, "Who's, like, A-plus at both of those things?" And I thought I would have this, like, handful, like, just, like, a, a basket full of examples that I could just be pulling out from for inspiration. And what I found was that even the people who I think are super smart, most of them were picking, like, dumb things to, to think about, care about, work on, right? Like, they were not picking well, and then a bunch of people who picked well weren't ever gonna bend reality to their will. It was like, "Yeah, I talked to them five years ago, still wanted that. Here we are five years, five years later, you know, no, no real progress." You know, they're still just trucking along kind of, like, they don't really, they haven't really figured out how to make it happen. So, like, I'll give you some examples of what I mean by this. So we have a buddy, I'll kind of pick on him, uh, p- I'll pick on him but I won't say his name. Very successful. Probably worth, I don't know, 100 to 200 million. Um, I feel like has just been batting 1,000, like, just had wins ever since the age of, like, you know, 24. Like, just kind of first thing worked in a small way. Next thing worked in a big way. S- Now they're doing a new thing, you know, that's, you know... Or in between, they invested in a bunch of things. Good, good investments. Um, now they're doing a new thing. It's, sure enough, it's working, and they make it look easy to the point where I was jealous. I was like, "Damn, this person makes it look easy." And I'm like, but the problem is, and I even told them this, I go, "I feel like you beat the level of this video game, and then instead of going on to the next level, you just hit reset on your Super Nintendo-

Sam Parr 42:09 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 42:09 ... and played that same level again. And you're doing that thing where you're just almost, like, trying to speed run that same level, like, perfect, you know, like, people who play Mario, and they're like, "I'm gonna perfect this level."

Sam Parr 42:19 Right.

Shaan Puri 42:20 It's like, dude, just go to the next level and p- have, have a different adventure. Have an im- improved adventure, right? Like, j- more challenging or more interesting-

Sam Parr 42:26 And what did they say?

Shaan Puri 42:27 ... or just new. And they're, at first they were like, when I told them this, they, I was like, um, they were starting a new thing. It was working. Everybody else was patting them on the back being like, "You done it again. It's working. I can't believe how easily you're able to make these things work." And I was sort of like, "I feel that way, but I also feel like you're playing the same level. Of course you're making this work again. You already know how to do this." Um, they did a thing recently where they bought a company. And they were super pumped that the company, like... And it's a great buy. They made a great buy. They bought a company. It's not like they had a background buying companies. They just did it. They bought the right thing. It wasn't available on the market. They found the person and they convinced them to sell. It's making a few million dollars of profit a year. They- they're gonna pay back their whole investment in, you know, 15 months or something like that. It's a fantastic buy by all accounts. But why would, why are they doing that? What, what does that bring to your life? You're already worth, you know, $100 to $200 million. This $2 million a year of profit is not doing anything except for distracting you from maybe what you should focus on, which would be something else. And, um, it's kinda nitpicking, you know, like a s- you know, somebody who's, you know, p- amazing at a, at a game. So I, I kind of don't want it to be... I don't mean it in a negative way. I just mean it in, man, it's really hard to find somebody who picks the right shit and knocks it out the park. And what do I know? As I'm brainstorming I'm like, "Dude, I think Sam is that guy."

Sam Parr 43:57 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 43:58 'Cause I, I thought of a couple people, but I just... Like, last night when I was thinking about this, I was like, "Dude, Sam is the best example." Let me tell you why.

Sam Parr 44:05 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 44:07 I remember when you were, um... Like, you've done a bunch of things where you're like, "I'm gonna motorcycle across America." It was, like n- like, not what everybody else was picking. You weren't just following a herd.

Sam Parr 44:20 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 44:21 Um, you then immediately went and did it. So you've done a bunch of things that, like, I feel like you were choosing. You didn't just do what everybody else was doing. And each one added to your, like, life value. Uh, so it's like, oh, this trip across America, right? Or this way to make a bunch of money, uh, you know, because having a bunch of money gives me this, like, safety net and ability and the ammo to go do cool stuff. Even after you... Uh, so the newsletter was another one where it's like, "What the hell's this guy doing?" Uh, but you figured it out. You bent r- bent reality to your will. You made it happen. And you were completely right, right? I, I was like, "Oh, you're gonna do a content company," and your answer is, "I'm gonna do better content."

Sam Parr 44:58 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 44:59 And I was like, "Where's the disruption? Where's the technology? Where's the new platform? What's the, what's the pitch?" And the pitch was like, yeah. Like, you ever read this stuff? Man, it's dry, it's boring.

Sam Parr 45:10 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:10 It doesn't even t- like, it doesn't speak to us. And I was like, "Your plan is to be less boring?"

Sam Parr 45:15 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:15 That was literally your business plan. Right? Like, it, it was literally your pitch deck for The Hustle.

Sam Parr 45:19 Yeah. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:20 It was like-

Sam Parr 45:21 I called it the Daily Show effect. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:24 Yeah.

Sam Parr 45:24 I was like, "We're just gonna be, like, a little funny." [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:27 Yeah. I was like, "Dude, that is not a pitch." I remember I was trying to give you, like, help. I was trying to help a friend.

Sam Parr 45:32 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:33 And, uh, turns out I needed the help. And it was like-

Sam Parr 45:35 It was so stupid. It was so stupid. I can't believe it worked, if I'm being honest. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:39 Like, I was right in a way that it didn't become, like, a multi-billion dollar company-

Sam Parr 45:42 No

Shaan Puri 45:42 ... 'cause you weren't doing some, like, crazy, crazy shit. But, like, so it w- it may not have been the right investment. So I, maybe I was right there. But, but f- who cares? 'Cause you were like-

Sam Parr 45:50 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:50 ... "Dude, I'm gonna own 90% of this-

Sam Parr 45:51 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:52 ... and I'm gonna sell this. I'm gonna have, you know, like, whatever, tens of millions of dollars in my bank account-

Sam Parr 45:56 Yeah [laughs]

Shaan Puri 45:56 ... which will let me live and do whatever the hell I want by the time I'm 30." And then sure enough, it's exactly what you did.

Sam Parr 46:01 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 46:01 You bent reality to your will. You picked the right goal. You were like, "I'm gonna have this, like, huge financial war chest by doing the thing I know. Um, I'm gonna have fun, build a cool brand, and meet a bunch of cool people along the way," like you did with Hustle Con. So you did that. Then you were like, "All right. Should I do this Airbnb thing?" You started thinking about luxury Airbnbs and short-term rentals and creating a portfolio there. And I was like, wow. How does he think of it? Like, what... You, again, that's not where most people are going with the next step of their career.

Sam Parr 46:30 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 46:30 And you started p- and then you p- and then the thing you've picked now, which we don't talk about too much now, but, like, the thing you picked now-

Sam Parr 46:36 I'll talk about it eventually. Yeah

Shaan Puri 46:37 ... I think is the perfect project for you, and it's the perfect project for where you're at. And I'm like, damn, he did it again. I even texted you this. I go, "Your project selection was so perfect, all I can do now is try to think of the second best project to pick [laughs] for, for myself."

Sam Parr 46:53 What, and what was my reply to you? Did you remember?

Shaan Puri 46:56 Uh, you s-

Sam Parr 46:57 I said-

Shaan Puri 46:57 Oh, you were like, "Dude, you had this. You s- you know, you stopped," right? [laughs] Or something like that.

Sam Parr 47:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Shaan Puri 47:02 Yeah, 'cause I actually... I r- I don't wanna say too much 'cause then it'll, it'll kinda give it away, but, like, yeah, I had prototyped the same idea, um, liked it, but I was like, you know, didn't have it all kinda figured out and I wasn't really ready to go do a new thing, and so I just kinda, like-

Sam Parr 47:16 Tabled it

Shaan Puri 47:16 ... I took the, like, the quick win and I moved on. And you were just like, "Oh, wait. That's, like, you know, that, that's actually... You figured out the right way to do it and you're doing it-

Sam Parr 47:25 [laughs] Yeah

Shaan Puri 47:25 ... and it's amazing and it's gonna work." So [coughs] dude, I just wanna say, I think you're that guy. And I think this is a really important thing to figure out, is who are the people that you think, um, choose the right things to focus on and then are able to bend reality to their will? 'Cause that's, like, the one-two punch that is, uh, like, most important in life.

Sam Parr 47:47 And I think that, um... Well, thank you for those compliments. You got, like-

Shaan Puri 47:50 But by the way, one, one more, one more. It's not just about work, right? So it's like, fitness, right? If we showed that before and after, like, you really, like, made it a point to get in phenomenal shape health-wise. That's... And, and not just sh- like, your... And not just, like, shape, but, like, mobility, strength, athleticism, like, things that actually, like, are de-aging, right? Like, they're the reverse, reversing aging rather than just how many friends do we have that just basically are, like, only focused on stockpiling success and money. And you meet 'em and you're just like, "Dude, like, you're just going downhill, right, right? Like, the aging is, like, it's going at double speed. So yeah, you're making more money, but you're doubling your age rate by the stress, the lack of, the bad lifestyle that you're living," right? Like, it's not good. Um, and so that's very common, and I think you're uncommon in that. The last one is, like, let's say family or relationships, that sort of thing too. Like, how do you make it a point to be good at that, right? Choose the right focus. All right, I wanna have this great family life, and then bend reality to your will. And so I think th- uh, I really respect that, you know, about you, and I think that that's something that I'm looking for more models of that in my life because, um, I now realize that that's the most important one-two punch.

Sam Parr 48:59 Well, thank you. I think-

Shaan Puri 49:01 Not to make out with you on this podcast, but-

Sam Parr 49:03 Yeah, if you want, like [laughs] buy me dinner first.

Shaan Puri 49:06 [laughs]

Sam Parr 49:06 Uh, but I think you got... You- you- we flattered you, uh, with those tweets. So you got your ego. I was, I was... I m- messaged Shaan, I go, "God, these guys really hurt my feelings." [laughs]

Shaan Puri 49:17 [laughs]

Sam Parr 49:19 Um, but I think the, what I learned, the reason why I'm able to do some of these things, one, I think it was Guy Ritchie, he said something like, "You are the director of your own movie." Uh, and whenever I heard that line, I was like, "Oh, yeah, like, I don't like this game I'm playing, but I also make up the rules."

Shaan Puri 49:38 Right.

Sam Parr 49:38 So I'm gonna, I'm gonna make the rules to my game.

Shaan Puri 49:41 Change the game.

Sam Parr 49:42 I'm, like, it's like, I only have myself to blame if I'm not happy because I m- I make the rules. And so that kinda changed my perspective. And another thing, I was working with Sophia Amoruso, that... She- she's, um, the, uh, Nasty Gal, this, you know, big company and then now she's got business classes, new things. She's w- her and I have become great friends. And a- she was like, "Hey, I need some help with my 2023 goal setting." And I was like, "Cool, here's, um, my framework for doing this. Uh, let's sit down and sit for an hour and do it." And I was like, "Sophia, how are you so successful and you've never, like, written down, like, what you're proud of the previous year, what you regretted, what would make you happy to accomplish this year, what those nu-", like, I'm like... I was like, "All right, so here's how much money. How much money do you wanna make? What would make you happy? Okay, that number? All right, great. Let's work backwards and have a plan. All right, cool. What about, uh, I always do family, fitness, fun, finance." So I'm like, "All right, what about relationships? What, what would make you proud in one year to be... All right. Let's do, um, uh, f- uh, your body. Uh, you know, where do you wanna be physically? Let's write down a plan for that." And like, boom. So we just set aside this time. That was our worry time. This was the time where we're gonna stress and we're gonna worry about what is gonna make us happy, and we're gonna make a guess that, boom, that's gonna make us happy. Then we're gonna stress on this plan. Have we settled? Is the plan done? The plan's done. I'm not worrying about it anymore. All I'm doing is executing this. The worry time is done. Next quarter, I'll give myself eight hours on a Sunday, then I can worry then. But between now and then, there is no such thing as worry. All the, all, all that there is, is I'm executing the plan. The worry time already happened, and I've got scheduled worry time in the future. And so what I think a lot of people don't do, is they don't spend enough time sitting down and saying, "What do I want? What are the rules of the game that I'm going to play? And let's create those rules and literally write them down. And for the next some period of time, I'm gonna follow those rules as best as I can, and then we're gonna reassess are those rules actually good?" And I don't think people do that systematically e- enough.

Shaan Puri 51:37 So you said something like, you know, "I didn't like the way that the movie was going, but then I realized I'm the director and I could switch it." Like, what, what was that point, and what was the movie like before, and then what, what did you make a point to switch?

Sam Parr 51:50 Well, um, you know, when I was between the ages of, like, 19 and, like, 23, like, I had some substance issues, and I got in trouble and everything, and I remember, this sounds, like, really lame, but I remember watching a concert. It was actually Oasis, which makes this even lamer.

Shaan Puri 52:06 [laughs]

Sam Parr 52:06 And they were singing a song, and I remember, like, watching-

Shaan Puri 52:09 Wonderful. [laughs]

Sam Parr 52:09 Yeah, it was, like, really lame. I remember I was, like, drunk in bed, like, watching this YouTube video, and I remembered, like, the singer was outputting very little energy, like, and yet there was 100,000 people in the crowd singing back to them, and I'm like, "Wow, that's leverage, man." This guy wrote this song in his bedroom, and it's like, because it's such a good song and he has such an interesting personality, that he's got, like, 100,000 fans as well as 40 million views repeating back to him the words, even though he's exerting a little bit of energy. That's leverage. That's the ideal way to live your life, is to have leverage, and I'm wasting it. And so I remember, like, changing it around after I saw that, and I'm like, "That is, uh..." I was like, "I think I'm special enough to do something like that. I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I know I have the ability to get there, but I'm wasting it by not leveraging myself, and I can only truly have leverage if I focus on, like, what my goals are gonna be." So I remember, like, going through that, and, like, that is really what changed it. And then moving to San Francisco and meeting you, meeting a, a, a couple other people, and it normalized achieving goals. And then I realized, "Okay, great. I can bend the reality easily. I know how to do that. Now I just gotta figure out on what do I want," and then just figuring out, like, what's a holistic want? And so I met a couple people, um, who it's like they weren't all focused on work, and I would ask them why they're doing something, and they're like, "'Cause it's sick." And I was like, "Oh, that's cool. Life can be fun. Like, it doesn't just have to be about money." And, uh, yeah, I remember changing when I lived in Nashville when I was a loser. I was like, "I'm, I'm a fucking loser right now, but I know I have an it factor."

Shaan Puri 53:34 [laughs] And when you, uh, you met people who have a, who had a holistic, like, a holistic want? Is that what you called it?

Sam Parr 53:44 Yeah, like, or I'll just, like, read about them. So, like, Laird Hamilton. You know Laird Hamilton?

Shaan Puri 53:48 Yeah.

Sam Parr 53:49 Like, he interests me. Or, like, Rob Dyrdek, or these guys, and I'm like, "You're just doing dumb shit just to do dumb shit." And they're just like, "Yeah, but it's fun." And I'm like, "Oh my God, you're so right, that it, it is fun. I, that I need to have more fun." So, like, I remember, like, reading or talking about them on the pod, and that, like, kinda has changed a little bit, too.

Shaan Puri 54:08 Yeah, and you kind of seem to like these people that, um, like, they kind of chart their own path, or they're, like, they just, they do it somewhat like, uh, like Rob Dyrdek. You know, it's like he's a skateboarder, makes a, kind of like a, a show that's, like, um, you know, hanging out with his friends, and this, like, f- the Fantasy Factory, and, like, all this stuff, right? Like, it's kind of like v- you're fun, but a- it's like have fun on blast or have, turn your fun into business in some way, right? Is that, is that kind of, like, a good description? Like, why do you like those personalities more than, um, you know, whoever? You know, the, the, the traditional people that people look up to. Like, I don't think most people in, and who are entrepreneurs, when you say, "Who do you think's kinda got it figured out?" Or, "Who do you, who do you look up to?" They're not like, "Laird Hamilton and Rob Dyrdek," [laughs] right? Like-

Sam Parr 54:58 Yeah, because-

Shaan Puri 54:58 ... that's like a pretty unique thing to say, so why is that?

Sam Parr 55:01 Because most people don't live life intensely enough, and because they, and they, I think they don't live it intensely enough because they're afraid. And I'm afraid, too, but then I see people do stuff. So w- Like, for example, um, like wouldn't it be cool if we owned like a farm and we just go out there and just like shoot guns and ride motorcycles and like have a blast? Like, that would be fun. Like, if you're just like sitting around and you're like, "I wish I could do that," it's like cool, you can do that. You're gonna make this much money, you're gonna save it, you're gonna go buy this farm, then you're gonna go and buy all the motorcycles, and then you're gonna tell all your friends about it, and like now you have this thing. Like, you can do that. Like, or like w- or some people are like, "Man, it'd be... Like, I like cars." And like, "I wish I just had a warehouse full of cars and I could just sit around with my friends and just like tinker on the cars." I'm like, "Great, you can do that." Like, I, I just think that you can make any rule you want and then like make it a reality. So that's why I just like get off on that, and I don't think people, uh, even when it comes to work, fitness, or fun, that they dial up the, the... They're living at like a three when they... It- it's very easy to turn it to an eight.

Shaan Puri 56:01 So what would be, let's say before, you're 20, you're 22 or whatever, and now you're 30... What are you, 31, 32?

Sam Parr 56:09 Third... Uh, I was born in '89. What does that mean? I'm 33?

Shaan Puri 56:12 Okay, so you're 33.

Sam Parr 56:13 Yeah, 33.

Shaan Puri 56:14 Okay, so you're 33 years old, and I feel like you did a, a, kind of like you dialed up the knob on fitness, right? We saw the before and after photo.

Sam Parr 56:22 I told you.

Shaan Puri 56:23 You dialed up-

Sam Parr 56:23 I, I tweeted, I think I texted you two years ago. I go, I go, "I'm gonna become a fitness influencer this year."

Shaan Puri 56:27 [laughs] Yeah, I know. [laughs] Which might not have been the right thing to want, actually. Maybe I take that back. [laughs]

Sam Parr 56:32 It's not. But like I, the point being, I was like, "I'm gonna guilt myself into getting fit."

Shaan Puri 56:36 Right. Uh, the second thing is you turned up the knob on finances, so you went from broke to, uh-

Sam Parr 56:42 Not

Shaan Puri 56:42 ... never have to work again.

Sam Parr 56:44 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 56:44 Right? Like you went broke to rich. Um, you went from, you know, single to, you know, married and, and with somebody you love. You went from, um, uh, I don't know if you were having a lot of fun then, but like I think now you have like your dude ranch-

Sam Parr 56:57 I have a lot of fun

Shaan Puri 56:58 ... where you can like go and shoot mo- you know, shoot guns, motorcycles, work out, you know, whatever. You live in different places different times of the year, right? You're crafting that, whatever lifestyle you're, you're into right now. All right, so that's 33. What's the next holistic want for you so that 43 is... Is it just more of the same? Like do the same thing? Do, like enjoy this for the next 10 years? Or is it there's another, there's, there's another level you're, you're looking to reach?

Sam Parr 57:25 Um, financially, i- if I'm not worth at least $150 million by the age of 40, that would, I would be consider... That would be a miss on my goals. Now, that doesn't-

Shaan Puri 57:36 What, what's the meme? Uh, if I'm not worth $150 million, you know, I'm gay and my parents die. [laughs]

Sam Parr 57:42 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Like, I think that. But like obviously, that's gonna have no impact on happiness, but that's just like the goal I have.

Shaan Puri 57:49 Okay.

Sam Parr 57:49 Um, uh, so that's, that's it. I think, well, I, my, uh-

Shaan Puri 57:53 By the way, why would you do something that has no impact on happiness?

Sam Parr 57:56 Why would you wanna bench 300 pounds? It's just 'cause.

Shaan Puri 57:59 I don't. [laughs]

Sam Parr 57:59 It's just that's... Well, but like some people do. Like I, I, 'cause I set goals and I hit them, that's why. 'Cause that's what I do.

Shaan Puri 58:05 [laughs]

Sam Parr 58:06 The, like, you know? Like I, I don't know. I just, I, I thought that would be a cool goal, and I think it's really fun. The, the journey of like achieving that is cool. Like nothing could-

Shaan Puri 58:14 I think it's like, uh, you'd respect yourself if you pulled that off.

Sam Parr 58:19 Yeah, because I'm afraid that I can't do it, therefore that's my, that's now my goal.

Shaan Puri 58:23 The challenge.

Sam Parr 58:23 Because I-

Shaan Puri 58:24 Okay.

Sam Parr 58:24 Yeah. Um, so I don't know. Like why do you wanna, why do you wanna, why do you wanna be ripped? Like it's... I don't know if it'll make you happy, but it's like it's just a cool little thing. Um, and then, um, I'll have kids, so that will change a thing. But what I really want is I wanna own more property that can... I wanna own compounds. That's really what... That's, that's kinda like a goal, is to have compounds. So you remember when we went to Camp MFM and, um, we were at the, like a basically a compound?

Shaan Puri 58:49 Yeah.

Sam Parr 58:49 I want a bunch of sick ones of those, and regardless if I'm there or not, I'd be like, "Yeah, you guys go and use the compound. You could have it." Um, that's really what I want. I care about physical space like that. I think that, that would be, uh, something I'm looking forward to. But no, I don't really have that many goals other than those things. I just wanna live a dope life, you know? Be a-

Shaan Puri 59:07 You'll be good at that. [laughs]

Sam Parr 59:08 Just, just be a, be a fucking man. Like I get, I get pride out of being, being a man.

Shaan Puri 59:13 [laughs]

Sam Parr 59:13 And like... Well, I just, like look, I, I am fearful of everything that everyone else is fearful of, and probably even more. I, I would say maybe I'm even more sensitive to that, and so I think it's fun to be like, "I'm afraid to have this hard conversation, therefore I must have this hard conversation with this person." And I feel like pride in like being a man, and like honoring, you know, what I'm supposed to honor.

Shaan Puri 59:35 Did you just say, "I'm afraid to have this conversation, therefore I must have this conversation"? [laughs]

Sam Parr 59:40 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you, you know what I'm saying? Like it feels good to like, uh, be like, "Look, I'm brave. I can do it." I just get a, I get off on those things.

Shaan Puri 59:50 Yeah. There's a part of me that's l- a lot like you, and then there's a part of me that's not that way at all. But it's really funny just to see that just dialed up to 10, and it's like, yeah, that's just how he lives. [laughs] And that's what's important to him. Like you said, it's really, like [laughs] what did you say? Oh, it's really important to be a fucking man.

Sam Parr 1:00:07 Yeah.

Shaan Puri 1:00:07 Uh, like uh, for me to be a [laughs] fucking man, and I just found that s- that's hilarious. It never, that's a thought I have never had.

Sam Parr 1:00:13 Well, you know, like someone told me-

Shaan Puri 1:00:15 And, um, we are so different in that way

Sam Parr 1:00:16 ... s- someone told me, they're like, "Real men don't change their opinion based on every little, like bit of emotion or insight that they have." And like I, and I remember up until that, I remember at The Hustle, and you do, you do this too, and, and I do this all the time, where I'm running a company and something bad happens and I'm like, "Oh, the company's ruined."

Shaan Puri 1:00:33 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:00:33 Um, like, "Our quarterly plans are shit."

Shaan Puri 1:00:36 Everything is gonna change.

Sam Parr 1:00:37 "I gotta go fire, I've gotta fire everyone."

Shaan Puri 1:00:39 Yeah.

Sam Parr 1:00:39 And then someone told me, they're like, "Men don't behave that way." And I was like, "Oh, you're right." Like-

Shaan Puri 1:00:44 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:00:44 ... m- like I gotta be a man about this and I cannot let, I cannot get emotional over this, some of this stuff. I have to like s- like no, there's not been meaningful data yet to show that I should change my opinion. This is just normal, like bad news stuff.

Shaan Puri 1:00:57 If you had like 40% more jewelry, 20% more, uh, tint on your glasses, and 80% more of an accent, you could be Andrew Tate.

Sam Parr 1:01:08 [laughs] Dude-

Shaan Puri 1:01:10 You're just like a few tweaks away, dude. You're like a sh- I'm like making this dish- I test the sauce.

Sam Parr 1:01:16 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:01:18 A little umami.

Sam Parr 1:01:20 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:01:20 A little bit, a little more salt.

Sam Parr 1:01:21 A little dash of Romania [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:01:23 Yeah. [laughs] A little, a little Eastern European. Ah, maybe need a little bit of that. A little tan.

Sam Parr 1:01:28 By the way-

Shaan Puri 1:01:30 A little more jewelry, a little man, man jewelry. You could be Andrew Tate

Sam Parr 1:01:33 ... I'd call out Andrew Tate as having... He was the, like it was a breakout year in 2022, and then I read about what his, um, uh, w- about what he's accused of doing and, like, some of the evidence, and then I saw, like, a video where he admitted it. Did you see the video where he admitted it?

Shaan Puri 1:01:48 No. Wait, he admitted it?

Sam Parr 1:01:50 He, like, talks about how he manipulates these girls into being on webcam and how he, like... He just says horrible shit. I wanna say that that pic is sorta like Time Magazine making Hitler the Person of the Year in 1938.

Shaan Puri 1:02:03 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:02:03 Like- [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:02:04 They do that? Is that a real thing? [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:02:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, like, two years before World War II. Hitler was Time's Person of the Year.

Shaan Puri 1:02:10 Wait. Are you serious?

Sam Parr 1:02:11 I swear to God. Yeah, I don't know what year it was Time Magazine-

Shaan Puri 1:02:14 That's insane

Sam Parr 1:02:14 ... Hitler Person of, of Year. Let's find out what year it was. Uh, 1938. Yeah, I was right. Uh, 1938, he was Time's Person of the Year because he came in power, and he, like, made a lot of change. But, like, what I wanna say-

Shaan Puri 1:02:25 Honestly, what a sick reference by you just now.

Sam Parr 1:02:28 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:02:28 To draw that analogy and nail the year and talking about a magazine and wor- That was-

Sam Parr 1:02:35 [laughs] Dude, because, like-

Shaan Puri 1:02:36 Chef's kiss

Sam Parr 1:02:36 ... here's the thing.

Shaan Puri 1:02:37 That was wonderful.

Sam Parr 1:02:39 Because yeah, g- g- by the way, Google it. You could see the picture. There's, like, a picture of him on Time Magazine when he was Person of the Year. You can be breakout of the year and also a piece of shit.

Shaan Puri 1:02:47 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:02:47 And I wanna say Andrew Tate, breakout person of, of the year, huge piece of shit.

Shaan Puri 1:02:52 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:02:53 You gotta go and see what this guy says. Now, also, the thing about pieces of shit, you could be 90% all right, and 90% of the things that you say can be like, "Oh, yeah, that's a really good point. You've just inspired me to go work out." And but 10% of it could be horrible, and because of that, I dislike you, and that's kinda what he does to me, where at, like, 90%, I'm like, "Yeah, that's a great line. You're right. Oh, great. Let's empower men to exercise and have confidence." Ooh.

Shaan Puri 1:03:18 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:03:18 But any time you use the and then someone's race, I'm out.

Shaan Puri 1:03:23 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:03:24 You know? [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:03:26 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:03:28 I actually don't know if he said that, but, like, any time I hear, like, the Jews or the Blacks-

Shaan Puri 1:03:32 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:03:32 ... I'm like, "Yeah, I'm out, dude. I'm not on board with that." Uh.

Shaan Puri 1:03:35 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:03:36 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:03:37 All right, so this is officially the bro episode or the bromance episode. We did Semaglutide and the weight loss get shredded part. We did South Park creators as Billy of the y- as, as Billy of the Week. We did, uh, Sam's, you know, therapy session/me sucking up to Sam where I gassed him up.

Sam Parr 1:03:57 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:03:58 Um, we did be a fucking man as, uh, [laughs] as Sam's, like, internal monologue. And I think this is the bro episode, the bromance episode. I hope, uh... By the way, we said something the other day. We were like, you know, to our four female fans, um-

Sam Parr 1:04:13 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:04:14 Thank you for coming. We... It's like, uh, at every Indian wedding, for some reason, my mother-in-law, she has to give a speech where she thanks individually everybody who came from India 'cause there's, like, just, like... She's like, "They came so far. I have to say thank you this auntie for coming. Stand up, please." And then everybody claps.

Sam Parr 1:04:32 Yeah. [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:04:32 And then she says, "And this person came also from so far. Stand up, please."

Sam Parr 1:04:37 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:04:37 And it's, like, the worst speech you've ever seen. That's how we are with our four female fans-

Sam Parr 1:04:41 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:04:41 ... where we're like, "Thank you, Ashley."

Sam Parr 1:04:43 [laughs] Yeah.

Shaan Puri 1:04:43 "You are still here. We so, so, so appreciate it. Um, sorry about the be a fucking man part earlier."

Sam Parr 1:04:52 [laughs]

Shaan Puri 1:04:52 "That was probably boring and/or offensive. Um, but thank you so much." And so they, they DM'd us, uh, after we made that joke on the last pod, and they were like, "Hey, female fan here. Um, you know, whatever. I love it." And so I hope we just didn't lose them after this episode.

Sam Parr 1:05:08 Bro.

Shaan Puri 1:05:08 [laughs]

Sam Parr 1:05:09 We did... This was not the bro podcast. Everything we said, that's good regardless of who you are. Be a fucking man. Change it to be a fucking woman. You're all right.

Shaan Puri 1:05:17 [laughs] All right, we're out of here. Before we get canceled, let's get, let's leave. [laughs] [upbeat music]