Ep. #19 | WTF is “Making it” in an Offbeat Career? Nikhil Kamath Ft. Kriti Sanon, Badshah & KL Rahul

Psychology believes that you start telling yourself you’re passionate at something when you realise you’re better at that something - same logic for talent? How important is it to be talented but also be “relevant” in the industries that seem cool to be in? In this episode of ‘WTF is’ Podcast, we have Kriti Sanon, KL Rahul, & Badshah - who chose career paths which are quite offbeat. Is it sheer talent..? Is it discipline to achieve excellence despite the element of talent? or is it merely good luck? - being at the right place at the right time? #NikhilKamath Co-founder of Zerodha, True Beacon and Gruhas Twitter: https://x.com/nikhilkamathcio/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nikhilkamathcio/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkamathcio?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nikhilkamathcio/ #KritiSanon Acclaimed actress, model, entrepreneur, and producer Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kritisanon/ Twitter: https://x.com/kritisanon Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialKS10/ #KLRahul Star cricketer, brand ambassador, and entrepreneur Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/klrahul/ Twitter: https://x.com/klrahul YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KLYoutube/videos Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/klrahul/ #Badshah Rapper, singer-songwriter, music producer, and entrepreneur Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/badboyshah/ Twitter: https://x.com/Its_Badshah Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBadshah/ Timestamps - 00:00 Introduction 05:25 Kriti’s introduction 08:55 Kriti on perfectionism and validation 14:28 Kriti’s attachment style 17:58 Kriti on being an outsider 27:45 Kriti in 10 years from today 49:20 X factor 57:05 KL Rahul introduction 59:31 Playing multiple sports = Better Athlete? 01:01:25 KL’s love of cricket as a kid 01:03:18 How imp is talent to become a better cricketer? 01:10:15 Importance of data analysis 01:13:22 KL’s early memories with cricket 01:33:47 How does one become a Cricketer? 01:39:48 Badshah’s Introduction 01:50:13 Entrepreneurs & The Next Big Thing 02:01:23 Badshah’s success story 02:14:35 Plan B? 02:29:51 Boys Chat: Dating, Business & Life 02:40:12 How long does it take to build a successful biz in india #nikhilkamath #WTFiswithNikhilKamath

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0:00 – 5:25
Introduction
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  Okay, so what I wanted to get at by the end of today is the three of you have made it in careers which are unconventional. So I wanna know what you did, how you grew up, and along the way, we'll try and find nuances of what you did differently that worked for you.
2. KSKriti Sanon
  Oh, God, this is like a long question. [laughing]
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  [upbeat music] Okay, we can start rolling again. Hi. [laughing]
4. KSKriti Sanon
  Hi. [laughing]
5. KRKL Rahul
  What's up?
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  Okay, so this is very informal.
7. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh-huh.
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  It's a bunch of us, four friends sitting and chatting.
9. KSKriti Sanon
  Fourth one is here.
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
11. KSKriti Sanon
  Hi!
12. KRKL Rahul
  Almost building friends, yeah.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah. He's from Delhi, so he's late.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  He's a little shy, quiet.
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
16. KSKriti Sanon
  Do not say things about Delhi! [chuckles] I'm also from Delhi.
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why did you leave Delhi if you like it so much?
18. KSKriti Sanon
  No, I love Delhi, but I love Mumbai also.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Which do you like more?
20. KSKriti Sanon
  So has anybody said that you can't like one city more than-
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  No, but like is a very relative word. Which do you like more?
22. KSKriti Sanon
  So I think my core is still Delhi.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm-hmm.
24. KSKriti Sanon
  But I love living in Mumbai because I feel like the city has given me a lot.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
26. KSKriti Sanon
  There's a lot, uh, of also freedom in general. Um, I can come home at 4:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. from shoot, not feel worried traveling alone.
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
28. KSKriti Sanon
  And, uh, I miss Delhi food. I miss Delhi roads.
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
30. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, I miss the space that you don't have in Mumbai.
5:25 – 8:55
Kriti’s introduction
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  about yourself. Start from when you were young.
2. KSKriti Sanon
  Oh, God, this is like a long question.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
4. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, honestly, um, I was a very, if I can say, shy and a studious and a nerdy kid. I'm-- also, I think the firstborns have a little bit of a pressure of, like, doing well in studies, being this good kid, and all of that, which I totally had. My mom's a professor. My dad's a CA, so I had this very, like, study is necessary, which is-- I also believe in. Uh, but, you know, getting like about ninety percent and the right grades and all of that. Um, I was also extremely shy. I had stage fright. So today, when I say that to people, it's a bit shocking-
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
6. KSKriti Sanon
  ... uh, considering what I do.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
8. KSKriti Sanon
  Um...... I think till engineering, I didn't really know what I wanted to do in life.
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Did you always have stage fright?
10. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, so it was weird, because I would be shy, "... ki koi agar ghar aaya hai," I would sort of, you know, hide in my mom's dupatta, and I would be like, you know, I'll take my time to, like, open up to people. Uh, I would go to parties. I'll take my mom along, when I was a kid, obviously. Uh, and then if somebody would be like, "You know, arey, she dances really well. Dance karke dikhao."
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  [chuckles]
12. KSKriti Sanon
  Once I would start dancing, I would be fine. You know, even in school, once I would start performing on stage or dancing on stage, I was always in the dance troupe. I learned kathak, so dancing was, like, always a passion.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  When did you start learning dancing and all?
14. KSKriti Sanon
  Um, I think when I was five, my mom realized that I danced well, and I could dance, and I had that in-
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
16. KSKriti Sanon
  ... like, inherent thing in me. Um, I- one day, so in my mom's college, you know, you have these college fests?
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm-hmm.
18. KSKriti Sanon
  And then in the middle, you have fillers.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
20. KSKriti Sanon
  Right? Ek performance aur dusri performance ke beech mein time hai. So sometimes they, you know, put people from the audience and all, so I just got on... She put me on stage, and I was five, and I danced on Ankhiyan Milao Kabhi Ankhiyan Churao, and I was, like, full-on there.
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
22. KSKriti Sanon
  I used to, like, copy Madhuri Dixit.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
24. KSKriti Sanon
  And, uh, she got the fact that I could dance, and she put me in a Kathak Kendra in Mandi House. Um, you know, and I did a full-on, like, foundation course. I used to not like classical dance. I used to really hate coming back from school and my mom dragging me 45 minutes to one hour away to learn kathak.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why did she do that?
26. KSKriti Sanon
  Mm. Because I feel like she recognized that I had the talent, and she wanted to make it a skill.
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  How did she recognize?
28. KSKriti Sanon
  Because I danced in parties or in, like, you know, and she was like, "Oh, wow, you know, she's never learnt it,"-
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  And that wasn't you being-
30. KSKriti Sanon
  "but she's doing well."
8:55 – 14:28
Kriti on perfectionism and validation
1. KSKriti Sanon
  uh... I always used to, like, get 90%.
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
3. KSKriti Sanon
  I would, like, stop-
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
5. KSKriti Sanon
  ... eating, drinking. If I had an exam, I had to... I had this pressure of, like, I have to do well, you know? And it's a bit of a needing things to be-
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  Validation.
7. KSKriti Sanon
  No, like a perfectionist sort of a thing.
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  What did getting good marks and people appreciating your dance do for you, emotionally?
9. KSKriti Sanon
  Obviously, I mean, it is a sense of validation. It's a sense of, um, you know, feeling proud. It's my, my... I think my parents also, to some extent, like, my mom used to give me, um, agar koi exam hai maths ka. Initially, I was not good at maths. I became good at maths-
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
11. KSKriti Sanon
  ... because of my mother.
12. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
13. KSKriti Sanon
  She used to give me, like, tests at home, with proper marks and everything. She's, uh, she's a professor, so I had that in my house, and she-
14. NKNikhil Kamath
  Closer to your mom than your dad? You've mentioned your mom a couple of times, not Dad yet.
15. KSKriti Sanon
  I think my, my mom was more involved in my studies and in my life. Dad would be al- also working for longer. My mom would come back home by lunch, so I saw more of her. Uh, I'm close to both my mom and dad. I think my dad's also very, um, very affectionate and very expressive, uh, in some ways. But then my mom is more of the chatterbox, "Kya chal raha hai life mein?" All of that, wants to know everything. Uh, so she's that.
16. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
17. KSKriti Sanon
  Um, and, uh... Sorry, where was I? Yeah, so she used to give me, like, these tests and all, and I would sort of-
18. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
19. KSKriti Sanon
  ... answer it, and then if I didn't get even one question right, she would be like, "Ye kar ke laao."
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
21. KSKriti Sanon
  Then I would correct it, and then-
22. NKNikhil Kamath
  Do you think mothers-
23. KSKriti Sanon
  Mujhe maar bhi apni mom se zyada padi hai.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  Maar padi thi?
25. KSKriti Sanon
  Haan, haan, of course, padi hai. Aise table ke aas pas ghoomkar, then getting cornered in a balcony, and then getting a fatka has happened.
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  But like, like this?
27. KSKriti Sanon
  No, no.
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  Like, properly?
29. KSKriti Sanon
  Properly. Thappad, vappad, properly. Got-
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why was your mom so competitive about how well you do? Did it come from something in her life?
14:28 – 17:58
Kriti’s attachment style
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  define your attachment style, what would it be?
2. KSKriti Sanon
  In the sense-
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  I'll give you an example. Are you the kind of baby when your mother walked into your room while you were crying and held you, you stopped crying immediately? Or are you the kind of baby when your mother came into the room and held you, took a long time to stop crying? Or are you the kind of baby that when your mother came into the room, you were indifferent to her being in the room, and you didn't even cry when she left the room?
4. KSKriti Sanon
  No, I think one of, out of the first or second. Um, I mean, I can, if I'm holding a lot inside, if at that point, you know, when someone just touches you, you can sort of start crying. I can be that person. Um-
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Can you stop crying?
6. KSKriti Sanon
  In some time.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
8. KSKriti Sanon
  It's not instant.
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
10. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah. If my mood is off, I usually don't want people around.
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  If your mood is off, you don't want people around.
12. KSKriti Sanon
  I, uh, if my mood is really off, I need to be left alone for some time. If I wanna talk-
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
14. KSKriti Sanon
  ... and you're there, I may start crying in front of you.
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  And how are you enjoying?
16. KSKriti Sanon
  And if you scream at me, I will 100% start crying.
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Or you will scream back?
18. KSKriti Sanon
  No, I'll start crying.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Never scream back?
20. KSKriti Sanon
  Hardly.
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  When did you shout the last time you, like, lost your cool and shouted at someone?
22. KSKriti Sanon
  I can, uh, sometimes snap.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
24. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, I used to be a lot more patient earlier. I think my patience over time has reduced a little.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
26. KSKriti Sanon
  No idea why.
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
28. KSKriti Sanon
  Maybe just the stress and lots more happening in life.
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
30. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, but, uh, if somebody screams at me, I usually... It's very difficult for me to give back at that moment, and I almost become, like, almost, like, kind of shocked at what just happened, and then I can start crying if I feel like little bit also I'm at fault. Um, if I'm not at fault, I may snap a little, but I'll snap, and then after like five minutes, I'll be like, "Listen, I'm sorry."
17:58 – 27:45
Kriti on being an outsider
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  What are you working towards? What's the end goal?
2. KSKriti Sanon
  No, now it's excitement. There's no end goal. In my work right now, there's no end goal because I wanna keep working. I love doing what I do. I wanna be on set. It keeps- it makes me feel alive. I feel like... I like the fact that I wake up having to do a different scene, a different thing every day, almost.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  If I were a genie, and I say, "Kriti, what do you want professionally today?" What would you say?
4. KSKriti Sanon
  ... I wanna, I want some really amazing scripts with great roles, because it's very difficult to find.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
6. KSKriti Sanon
  Very, very difficult. I definitely wanna work with a lot of directors and makers who I haven't gotten the opportunity yet-
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm-hmm
8. KSKriti Sanon
  ... to work with.
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why do you think that is?
10. KSKriti Sanon
  Sometimes it's destiny, na, nahi hota hai.
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
12. KSKriti Sanon
  Why- makers also take very long to make more films.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  Directors are, stay with the film for way long, way longer than what actors do.
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
16. KSKriti Sanon
  And then to find the next, and then it's a missed opportunity. Sometimes you don't fit the role. Sometimes you don't have a c- like, connection to reach to that director, or whatever. Could be many reasons, but there are so many, I feel.
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Another reason, another reason I wanted the three of you is none of you have any legacy that you're coming in from. Does that play a big part, even today?
18. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, sometimes. I don't have someone who will make a call. But sometimes, yeah. I think I've had more of those moments and a little bit of whatever, frustration-
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
20. KSKriti Sanon
  ... earlier.
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
22. KSKriti Sanon
  But it's taken me a decade to reach where I am today. Today, there's a little more, um, little lesser to prove.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
24. KSKriti Sanon
  Like, I need to prove myself, that's a little lesser.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why is that?
26. KSKriti Sanon
  Because somehow there is a sense of validation that's happened over the 10 years now.
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
28. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, whether it is with the box office or whether it is as an actor, I think I've always been someone who was hungry to be known as a good actor-
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
30. KSKriti Sanon
  ... not just have the stardom.
27:45 – 49:20
Kriti in 10 years from today
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  Close your eyes, paint a mental image. Who all feature in that image?
2. KSKriti Sanon
  Of course my family does.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
4. KSKriti Sanon
  It's never without that.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
6. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, but of course, when it comes to professional space-
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
8. KSKriti Sanon
  ... uh, then it's just, in my professional space, it's just me. So that's there. That's, like, when I think of myself professionally in 10 years and things like that, then it's more about work. I'm also the person... I'm very attached to my family, but I'm also more ..., Mm.
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
10. KSKriti Sanon
  So if I go on shoot-
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
12. KSKriti Sanon
  ... for like 20 days, I get a scolding that, "You've not called."
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  So I'm like, because I'm surrounded by work people and my team and, you know, the people from the film, I'm more there. It's, it's very less... Th- then I'm like, I'm like, "Oh, today I haven't called my mom or my dad or whatever," or I have to do a FaceTime on the family group chat.
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Do you call them every day?
16. KSKriti Sanon
  Not necessarily. I should.
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
18. KSKriti Sanon
  But I don't. But I should.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm. Okay, so we got to age five. You were-
20. KSKriti Sanon
  Age five?
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah. [chuckles]
22. KSKriti Sanon
  Hello, you-
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  You went to dance school for-
24. KSKriti Sanon
  But we've, uh, gone to engineering also.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  No, but tell us more about your life between five and 17, when you go to engineering, 18? How old are you?
26. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've been... Like I said, that's been, what I've told you till now-
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
28. KSKriti Sanon
  ... has been, like, till my college.
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
30. KSKriti Sanon
  I was a studious, nerdy-
49:20 – 57:05
X factor
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  the alag in your alag type ke hard work?
2. KSKriti Sanon
  No, no, that's-- see, I also feel like the talent or the skill that you have is definitely important. Uh, I think with me, I didn't really... I've not gone to theater. I've not done any sort of- I did, when I came to Mumbai, I did a little bit of a home workshop with somebody to just keep my machine moving.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
4. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, I'm a learner.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
6. KSKriti Sanon
  I've always been. I think it is, it comes-
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  What do you mean by, "I'm a learner, I've always been"?
8. KSKriti Sanon
  Meaning I'm always... You know, in the beginning, I was told that, "Ye, arey ye bahut sawal puchti hai."
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm. I do too.
10. KSKriti Sanon
  "She asks too many questions."
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  We have something in common. [laughs]
12. KSKriti Sanon
  ... sabko pata hai, woh toh dikh raha hai. Han, but ye bahut question puchti hai, bahut sawal puchti hai.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  Uh.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  But, uh, I think, a, a, to me, it came from engineering also-
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
16. KSKriti Sanon
  ... the curiousness-
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
18. KSKriti Sanon
  ... of knowing more.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
20. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh, I've always been that person, and I think somewhere asking these questions on set, "Aur kaise karun?" You know, "Ye karke dikhaun. Is this girl like this? Is she coming from here?" is my understanding of evolving and growing.
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  Were you okay to ask?
22. KSKriti Sanon
  Absolutely too okay to ask sometimes.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm. See, that one's interesting. Most people are shy to ask.
24. KSKriti Sanon
  See, I feel like, you know, it's funny because those people who used to say, "Arey ye bahut sawal puchti hai," firstly, if a woman is asking, it's like, "bahut sawal puchti hai," a guy is very, very involved. He's asking so many questions, look how involved he is. [chuckles] You know, that's also a thing. You hear that. I've heard it.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
26. KSKriti Sanon
  To the same people now saying, "You know, what is the best thing about her? You know, she asks questions. She wants to learn."
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
28. KSKriti Sanon
  So I think the perception also changes from where you are.
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  I think most people who don't ask, don't ask for the insecurity of rejection.
30. KSKriti Sanon
  And the insecurity of looking stupid.
57:05 – 59:31
KL Rahul introduction
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  next?
2. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  So tell us about yourself.
4. KRKL Rahul
  Um, okay, let's start. Um, okay, I grew up in a small town called Mangalore, which is about six, seven hours away from Bangalore.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Which is where I'm from as well.
6. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, we both are from there. Um, I grew up, I was there for the first 18 years of my life. Uh, my schooling happened there. Um, but originally, uh, we are from Bangalore. My mom and dad both are from Bangalore. Um, and my dad got a really good job offer when I was born in Mangalore, so we all moved there. Uh, but my parents are also professors. I mean, my dad, um, my dad is a professor. My mom was a-
7. KSKriti Sanon
  Oh, what do they, what do they teach?
8. KRKL Rahul
  Uh, my dad, uh, uh, taught geology, a professor in geology, and my mom was a, um, a lecturer in, um, Indian history.
9. KSKriti Sanon
  Wow!
10. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, yeah. So, um, so I also come from-
11. KSKriti Sanon
  It's great
12. KRKL Rahul
  ... like family that were, like, both, both teachers. Um, grew up in this very small town. I lived actually an hour away from Mangalore. We lived... My dad was in a engineering, um, college. He taught there, so we used to live in the campus.
13. KSKriti Sanon
  Mm.
14. KRKL Rahul
  It was a massive campus. The camp-
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  Best place.
16. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, so campus may, um, you know, my schooling was in the campus. Just for the faculty, there used to be a school, uh, which later on became open to other, like, public around the smaller, smaller cities and towns there. Um, so I grew up there, and my dad tells me that I picked up the bat when I was two and a half, three years old, like the plastic bat, and I used to run around the house all day playing, playing cricket, and I'd make him throw balls at me nonstop. Um, so yeah, my love for cricket started then. So I was a decent-
17. KSKriti Sanon
  Mm
18. KRKL Rahul
  ... student. Um, um, you know, not 90s and stuff, but around that 80, 90 mark, I'd always be there, and I always loved sport. In school, I played every sport that my, um, school took part in, be it football, volleyball, swimming, athletics. We didn't have a cricket team, so, um, I played everything.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Does that help, playing different sports?
20. KRKL Rahul
  I think so. Now
59:31 – 1:01:25
Playing multiple sports = Better Athlete?
1. KRKL Rahul
  I realize that, you know, it-
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  If you play football, you get better at cricket?
3. KRKL Rahul
  No, just playing different sport helped me be more athletic, like my body developed, um, really well, which later on helped me when I chose one sport. Then I was, I was good at everything. There are so many players that, um, you know, I've played with who only played cricket all along, and you can see that, like, their athletic ability is not as, as much as someone else who's played multiple sports growing up.
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
5. KRKL Rahul
  So yeah, I played a lot of, lot of sport, and around 10 or 11 is when I, you know, um-
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  Would you go to the extent of saying, if you only play cricket all your life-
7. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  ... for 10 hours a day or-
9. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  ... six hours a day or whatever?
11. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, yeah.
12. NKNikhil Kamath
  It wouldn't work out as well for you at cricket as playing three hours of cricket, one hour of football, one hour of tennis?
13. KRKL Rahul
  No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, your athletic ability, like, will be different.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  Mm.
15. KRKL Rahul
  Like, cricket requires, like, your body to, uh, move a certain way, and, like, certain muscle groups are getting strong, but it's not in... You, you're not developing overall, like, your ability of your body. Um-
16. KSKriti Sanon
  Mm-hmm.
17. KRKL Rahul
  So playing football requires a different, um, level of fitness. Playing volleyball requires a different level of fitness. Swimming requires something different, and I grew up by the beach. Like, uh, 100 meters away from my house was the beach, so-
18. NKNikhil Kamath
  Which beach?
19. KRKL Rahul
  ... the Surat Kal beach.
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah, the college.
21. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, college. We lived in the campus, so we got out, and the beach was right there. So I'd play a lot of sport in school, and my day would finish in the beach. On the beach, we'd play some football and then jump in, jump into the sea, swim for an hour, come back, and then study for an hour, hour. Yeah, that was my daily routine. Um, and then when I reached about, I think eight, by seven, eight, I was really, like, obsessed
1:01:25 – 1:03:18
KL’s love of cricket as a kid
1. KRKL Rahul
  with cricket. I wanted to play cricket, and I kept telling my father, "Keep-- you know, put me in a summer camp. I want to go." And like, you know, because all my friends who were not as good at cricket, when we play gully cricket, you know, you, you realize whether you're good or you're not good. So I was, I was very good, and I said, "Dad, I want to go there 'cause all my friends are going there." And at that age, you're like, um, you know, he's going for coaching, cricket coaching. It's like you get that cool quotient when you-
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah
3. KRKL Rahul
  ... you know, go somewhere else. You leave that campus, and you go away into the bigger, like, city, or like you do something different, you get that. So like, I want to do this 'cause I'm, I'm good. Just put me there, put me there. It happened for two, three years. My dad just felt like I was too, too young, and I wasn't a big kid. I was a tiny little, um, uh, skinny kid, so he's like: No, you, you won't be able to play cricket. Or I don't know what his reasons were. He didn't send me till I was eleven, and then when I was eleven, he put me into a cricket, cricket camp, and, uh, immediately from week one, like there was a summer camp where all the kids come in, and the same academy had, uh... I mean, the same place had an academy where there are players who, who are picked, as you know, as a there are talent scouts who pick you from these summer camps and say, "Okay, he's good. We can work on him." And you get picked into the academy, where the coaching is better and you're with better cricketers. The standard is better, so-
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Is that how somebody gets into something like an IPL today? You go through one coaching camp to another.
5. KRKL Rahul
  No, no, IPL, you've gone very, very far ahead.
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  So where does this lead to? One smaller coaching camp, bigger coaching camp, then?
7. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, then you, you then you get your, like, basic, like, cricket coaching, and you have the talent, but there's, there's a technical side to cricket, which you need to learn at a very-
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  Does talent make such a big difference in cricket?
1:03:18 – 1:10:15
How imp is talent to become a better cricketer?
1. KRKL Rahul
  It does.
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  Are you born better than another person at cricket?
3. KRKL Rahul
  Of course, I think so.
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah?
5. KRKL Rahul
  I think so. Your ability to judge what speed the ball is coming at and your ability to judge how much it will bounce from a certain area, how much it'll move, which direction-
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
7. KRKL Rahul
  -and your hand-eye coordination and all of that is like, you know, that's the difference I feel like, without trying to be too, uh, arrogant about it, that's the difference between someone who makes it to the higher level and someone who, you know, doesn't make it to the higher level.
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  What is it? Is it visual ability? Is it hand-eye coordination?
9. KRKL Rahul
  It's all of it, right? Your, your ability to firstly see the ball properly and then judge how fast it's coming, how much it's gonna bounce, and also react to that ball and, like, hit the ball, like, where you want it to. So there's a lot of, lot of stuff-
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  Very tangible things these sound like. Like somebody should be able to measure it, no?
11. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah. So you can do that. You might have-
12. KSKriti Sanon
  But is that something that you can acquire? Like, can you-
13. KRKL Rahul
  You can get better at it.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  Not be that good at it and then-
15. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, you can get better
16. KSKriti Sanon
  ... become, like, really good at it?
17. KRKL Rahul
  But there are certain things that you can't get better at. Like, if, if you don't have hand-eye coordination, and this is my version, I, I might be very wrong. Yeah, if, if your hand-eye coordination is not great, then you can pick up any sport, and you will not be as good, and it'll only frustrate you more and more over time that, "Shit, I'm working so hard, why am I not doing?" And a lot of, like, athletes stop doing whatever sport because of that, 'cause they, you, you reach a certain stage where you realize, "Okay, I'm not that good, and how, how much more can I keep losing?" 'Cause at the end of the day, sport is, you know, you're competing with someone else, and you have to win to keep going up the ladder and go to the next stage. So at every stage, you will have these, like, you know, reminders, or you'll get to know, like, whether you're good or not. So yeah, so-
18. NKNikhil Kamath
  Feel free to ask questions, okay? Conversation between all of us.
19. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah, yeah.
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  I'm sure you're also curious, cricket, "...".
21. BABadshah
  But I, matalab jo ye hand-eye coordination hai, matlab jitna main samjhua, ye natural ability hai har kisi ko. Matalab kisi ko ball hi slow dikhti hai, kisi ko tez dikhti hai. But aren't there ways to practice and, you know, enhance the ability?
22. KRKL Rahul
  I'm sure there are. Abhi hoga aise facilities, but, but your natural, like, I know this might, might not, like, convince your mind because you think so deeply, but there are, like, some abilities that you're gifted with-
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm
24. KRKL Rahul
  ... that can't be taught.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
26. KRKL Rahul
  Right? I believe this, like-
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  So nature versus nurture-
28. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, yeah
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  ... you're on the side of nature.
30. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, I'm, I'm on the side of nature, completely, but with-
1:10:15 – 1:13:22
Importance of data analysis
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  cast gets what kind of an audience to buy a ticket, what trigger event is working? And there's so much data that one can collate for, like, ten, twenty, thirty, fifty years and be more data-oriented in planning a project versus emotion-oriented as how the incumbent players work. I was just making that-
2. KRKL Rahul
  No, but I'll tell you, like, my, uh, response to that. Data is being used a lot in cricket as well.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
4. KRKL Rahul
  It's very easy to say that-
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
6. KRKL Rahul
  ... see what player-
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm
8. KRKL Rahul
  ... from over ten to fifteen scores the most runs, pick him in the team, you know?
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
10. KRKL Rahul
  It's as easy as that, and people have done that. Like, like, you watch the IPL and, and the way the IPL works with a lot of, like, owners coming from, from the background that they come from, from the business background. I'm sure everything works based on data and, like, their research. They do a lot of research, and-
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm
12. KRKL Rahul
  ... we pick teams based on that, but that doesn't guarantee that you're gonna win every game of cricket. You might get the best players based on data, but they, they might have-
13. BABadshah
  Bad day
14. KRKL Rahul
  ... a horrible year.
15. BABadshah
  Hmm.
16. KRKL Rahul
  Like, you know, if for, like, eleven players, each one has one bad day out of the fourteen games that we play, you've lost the, you've lost the whole season. So there are certain things that-
17. BABadshah
  Are not in your control.
18. KRKL Rahul
  Certain-- you can use certain things, but nothing, at least in sport, guarantees, uh-
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm, better performance
20. KRKL Rahul
  ... better performance or success. It's not that you do this, and your success rate is going to go up. There is no formula like that, and I think it's the same with, with them. Like, you know?
21. BABadshah
  Um, exactly. I think-
22. KRKL Rahul
  Hmm
23. BABadshah
  ... creative field में, so Spotify ने हमें बहुत data दिया music में, you know? And अब बहुत जितने भी बड़े labels हैं, सबके पास data analyst बैठे हैं, कि इस certain genre का गाना इतना चलता है, इतने time पे drop आएगा, इतने time पे आपका build-up आएगा, इतने minute का गाना होना चाहिए。 But eventually... And that is also one of the reasons why AI might not be, मुझे तो लगता है नहीं successful होगा。
24. BABadshah
  Hmm.
25. BABadshah
  But eventually, of creating art, and for a consumer or for an audience to discover it, the way they discover it, is what it is all about.
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
27. BABadshah
  वो beauty जो है ना, वो quantize नहीं हो सकती।
28. BABadshah
  Hmm.
29. BABadshah
  और वही beauty-... film and music, ...</b <b मतलब, मुझे लगता है कि-
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Or cricket.
1:13:22 – 1:33:47
KL’s early memories with cricket
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  difference?
2. KRKL Rahul
  Um, it did, because it was something that I was wanting to do since I was seven, eight years old, and-
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
4. KRKL Rahul
  -my, my dad wouldn't just send me. I was like, you know, then you get, like, frustrated at, at that age. You're like, "Everyone's going, all my friends are going," and it's, it's during the summer where you don't have school.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
6. KRKL Rahul
  Right? You're not doing anything. I'm anyways playing cricket all day in the gully. I might as well go and, like, get proper coaching, and why don't you... So after a point, yeah, like, when he sent finally, I was really happy that, okay, चलो, finally, I've come, come to a, a place where I've always wanted to come. And cricket made me, like, gave me some sort of, like, joy and happiness, and that-
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Was having parents in academia a boon or a bane?
8. KRKL Rahul
  Um...
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  Would it have, would it have been different if you were Kapil Dev's son, for example?
10. KRKL Rahul
  No, I don't think so, no. At least in cricket, I don't think there's, there's... Your, your legacy or where you come from, what your parents did, really matter that much, because-
11. KSKriti Sanon
  But were they supportive, like, like from the beginning?
12. KRKL Rahul
  Um, they were supportive. My parents-- like, my dad played a little bit of cricket, uh, in his time for his college and university and all that. He played cricket. Uh, and his parents didn't let him play more, so he, him being the son, one of, I think, seven children, so he had to, you know, um-
13. KSKriti Sanon
  Give it up.
14. KRKL Rahul
  Give up and, like, pursue, like, whatever he had to do back then. So he was never against it, but they were very strict about education as well. They're like, "The minute we see that your grades are dropping, we will pull you out of, out of cricket. We'll let you pursue your dreams and, and do whatever you want, but this is our condition. You do this, then we'll support you. We have no problem." So-
15. KSKriti Sanon
  This is so similar.
16. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, so, so, but I think it is very similar in most, like, families like that.
17. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah, like I gave GMAT entrance exam-
18. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah.
19. KSKriti Sanon
  -while I was trying for films.
20. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah.
21. BABadshah
  Yeah, you're born, you go to school-
22. KSKriti Sanon
  [chuckles] Yeah.
23. BABadshah
  -you do your engineering, and then you become what you...
24. KRKL Rahul
  Correct.
25. BABadshah
  फिर आप करो-
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Is that the same for you as well, Badshah?
27. BABadshah
  हांजी।
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  आपको, how do I address you? Badshah is the way?
29. BABadshah
  Aditya.
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Aditya.
1:33:47 – 1:39:48
How does one become a Cricketer?
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  a young person make it like you did in your industry? Something that is not obvious.
2. SPSpeaker
  Um, basically, hard work nahi bolna hai.
3. KRKL Rahul
  Nai, I know. When you asked you that question- [laughing] ... I was already thinking, "What else can I say?" Ab aur kya boloon?
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Answer toh ho gaya. [laughing]
5. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, actually. But the honest truth is just-
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
7. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah. Honest truth is just, just that. But also, I, I, I get what you're saying-
8. SPSpeaker
  Mm
9. KRKL Rahul
  ... that, you know, I had the same view, that someone who started playing cricket with me at the age of eleven-
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
11. KRKL Rahul
  ... who also played state cricket, and we were all at the same level, and probably I've seen many of them who were much more talented than I was-
12. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
13. KRKL Rahul
  ... much more fitter than I was. Um, but, like, you know, I could make that climb, and they couldn't, like, so what is the-- I asked myself this question: What, what is that, what is it that I did that they couldn't do?
14. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
15. KRKL Rahul
  Um, but I just, I just think the ability to, to be your own team, in the sense you're fighting a lot of battles.
16. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
17. KRKL Rahul
  And if you're strong enough to be able to fight those battles all by yourself and alone, not having to lean on anybody, if you have that ability, that some, that somewhere helps you, you know, uh, go a little bit longer. With the other things, obviously, with your self-belief, hard work, and, and also just being real about, about how good you are. If, like Kriti said, for so many people, they don't know till they're twenty-five, twenty-six, what their, what their passion is or what their dream is, what do they want to do? I'm lucky that I, you know, since, you know, since as long as I can think, I only had one dream, and that was to become a cricketer.
18. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, I was about to say, you're so lucky you knew.
19. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, I, I do. I know I'm very lucky. I'm very grateful for that, that I never had Plan B, and I never had to think about a plan B. I had one plan, and I was lucky enough that, you know, I, I was blessed again. That's why probably the reason why I keep going back to temples-
20. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
21. KRKL Rahul
  -and keep, keep, um, you know, saying my thank you to the gods is because, you know, there's something that's not, um... it's hard to explain why another person couldn't make it and why I could make it, and that's the story with most of the players on the team.
22. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
23. KRKL Rahul
  Um, yeah, so.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  Does interpersonal relationship, relationships make a big difference? I feel like I put a huge weightage on niceness. I end up working with people who are nice, 'cause it makes a big difference to me, the overall attitude of my vicinity, the people I choose to work with. Is it like that in cricket or in the movies or in cinema?
25. KRKL Rahul
  But you can, you can choose it outside of your work. In your work, you don't get to choose what, who you're surrounded with.
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
27. KRKL Rahul
  Right? And I can't, I can't-
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  But can they choose you by virtue of niceness?
29. SPSpeaker
  In my work, I get to choose who I'm immediately surrounded with.
30. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but-
1:39:48 – 1:50:13
Badshah’s Introduction
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  Aditya, [chuckles]
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  How did you decide on the name Badshah? Very interested.
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Very interested.
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm. I'm a fan also.
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Thank you.
6. NKNikhil Kamath
  As I'm a fan of Kriti and Rahul.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah, yeah, extra
8. NKNikhil Kamath
  [chuckles]
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  complimentary, nay chahiye. [chuckles] Um, I'm a huge Shah Rukh Khan fan.
10. NKNikhil Kamath
  I love Shah Rukh Khan.
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Huge, huge Shah Rukh Khan fan.
12. NKNikhil Kamath
  I love Shah Rukh Khan.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  The-
14. NKNikhil Kamath
  Favorite?
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  I love him.
16. NKNikhil Kamath
  In Bollywood?
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  He's one of those few people who you're a fan of, and then you meet him and become a bigger fan.
18. SPSpeaker
  Bigger fan.
19. NKNikhil Kamath
  Doesn't happen.
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  Every time I come to Bombay, one night I go to Shah Rukh's house. The both of us sit down and chat for four hours-
21. NKNikhil Kamath
  Very intelligent also
22. NKNikhil Kamath
  ... five hours, six hours, and the kind of advice the man gives is incredible. I go to him just for gyaan. We'll call him here one day.
23. NKNikhil Kamath
  With me, I'll tell you.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  Uh.
25. NKNikhil Kamath
  That's it.
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  Arre!
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  What? Is that it?
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  I'm a huge fan.
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why name changed to Badshah? Shah Rukh, that's it?
1:50:13 – 2:01:23
Entrepreneurs & The Next Big Thing
1. KSKriti Sanon
  really think, "Okay, I'll start a brand, or I'll start something." It all came from, "Oh, I really like this. I'm really passionate about skincare. I really wanna do this. Uh, I'm so interested in it that, okay, let me see if I can create a brand." It was not the other way around, that let me create a brand, and now let me find kahan pe, what brand to create?
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
3. KSKriti Sanon
  So I feel like, for me, I believe that's h- the way to go and not the other way around.
4. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm. Skincare, again, is a very hard industry to crack.
5. BABadshah
  Mm.
6. KSKriti Sanon
  It's, it's cluttered, of course.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm, very, very hard.
8. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah.
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  You're doing quite well, though, eh?
10. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah, touch wood. But again, I feel like-
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Have you been looking for wood from that time?
12. KSKriti Sanon
  Ye hai.
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  This is metal-
14. KSKriti Sanon
  It's next to me
15. NKNikhil Kamath
  ... this is concrete.
16. KSKriti Sanon
  I have kept it next to me. [laughing] Yeah, I have a habit of doing that.
17. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
18. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah. Yeah, I get nazar very fast.
19. BABadshah
  If I were to ask you to invest, let's say, 2.5, 3 crore rupee blindly on a business-
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  How much?
21. BABadshah
  2.5, 3 crore-
22. NKNikhil Kamath
  Ah.
23. BABadshah
  Blindly on a business-
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
25. BABadshah
  ... which will fetch you a profit-
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
27. BABadshah
  ... a definite profit in the next three years.
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm.
29. BABadshah
  What would it be?
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Today?
2:01:23 – 2:14:35
Badshah’s success story
1. BABadshah
  Phir gaana chal gaya.
2. NKNikhil Kamath
  But iske peeche bhi kahaani hogi. It can't be so simple, music ho gaya, khana chal gaya, gaana chal gaya.
3. KRKL Rahul
  So when did you start, like, writing and everything?
4. BABadshah
  I started writing. I was always a writer 'cause I couldn't express-
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
6. BABadshah
  ... so I used to write a lot.
7. KSKriti Sanon
  Always means? Since when?
8. BABadshah
  Jab se mujhe yaad hai. Matlab, matlab mere ko aisa hota tha ki class mein kisi se ladai ho jaati thi, toh usko jawab nahi de pata tha main.
9. KRKL Rahul
  Mm.
10. BABadshah
  Aur phir main baad mein sochta tha-... ki main ye bol sakta tha, main ye bol sakta tha. And then I used to pen it down. I don't know why. Uh, and then it became a thing. I started writing. I started rhyming things.
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  What age was this at?
12. BABadshah
  School. School se shuru ho gaya tha. Aur, uh-
13. NKNikhil Kamath
  And how do you just start writing? How does that happen? Like, I listen to songs. I've never felt like writing a song.
14. BABadshah
  I love writing. So it started with, you know, pehle lyrics nahi hote the, pehle internet nahi hota tha. Toh koi gaana sunte the, toh uska lyrics likhte the, to sing along. It started from that. Ki koi gaana sunaye, "Get down, get down," pause. "Get down, get down," play. [laughing] Toh pehle aise poore lyrics likhte the, phir unko yaad karte the, phir school mein sunate, phir cool hote the. That's how it began. The want to be cool, seek some sort of validation from... [laughing]
15. BABadshah
  I said the same thing, right?
16. NKNikhil Kamath
  On validation is again me. I'm like, "What is going on?"
17. BABadshah
  Everybody seeks some sort of validation-
18. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah.
19. BABadshah
  -in, in a, in a lot of people.
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
21. BABadshah
  And that's how it began. Like, writing that-
22. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
23. BABadshah
  aise shuru hui. Toh phir jab main Chandigarh gaya.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  Aap kahan se Chandigarh gaye?
25. BABadshah
  Delhi se Chandigarh gaya.
26. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why?
27. BABadshah
  Uh, college.
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
29. BABadshah
  Punjab Engineering College mein mera admission hua, civil engineering mein, aur wahan par bahut khubsurat cheez chal rahi thi. You know, the likes of Rishi Rich, Punjabi MC-
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Hmm.
2:14:35 – 2:29:51
Plan B?
1. KRKL Rahul
  Since I'm was, let's say, eight, nine, Mira life, make a plan. Mira Thai, nay, Plan B, I can't think of, like, a lot of times they ask me: "Okay, if you were not a cricketer, what else would you become?" I said, "I have no idea, because I-
2. BABadshah
  A struggling cricketer. [chuckles]
3. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, a struggling cricketer. I've never thought about what else could I do? I said, "Okay, worst thing, if cricket didn't work out, I'd have played some other sport, maybe." Who be neither one to Badshah name. I mean, that's, it's never like-
4. BABadshah
  But that's all you know, because-
5. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah
6. BABadshah
  ... you love it so much-
7. KRKL Rahul
  And I think in some way, that helps.
8. KSKriti Sanon
  I think for me-
9. KRKL Rahul
  In some way that helps
10. KSKriti Sanon
  ... it's a little different. I think I fell in love with acting.
11. BABadshah
  After you started acting?
12. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah!
13. BABadshah
  Yeah.
14. KSKriti Sanon
  While I started doing it.
15. BABadshah
  You're a very diligent person, you know that?
16. KSKriti Sanon
  Uh-huh. [chuckles]
17. BABadshah
  And make a good karma.
18. KSKriti Sanon
  Yeah, I have that thing. Kimiko Karna, I want to give it, like, my hundred percent and do it properly. But, uh, which I liked doing it. I thought I could. I thought I had it in me to do it. So first belief came from that. I was enjoying it, but actual love for acting happened a little later, where I got way deeper into it. Shuru shuru main superficial career, though. Pata me near film either Mark a camera. AB नहीं पता.
19. BABadshah
  I know.
20. KSKriti Sanon
  So I feel like it takes-- it took me some time. I was not one of those who done like, [inhales] acting here, "I thought could sochi nahi sakti, I'm the breathing this."
21. BABadshah
  And acting is so much-
22. KSKriti Sanon
  It became that
23. BABadshah
  ... more than just, you know, it's light camera there.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  You both are in an industry where it's a finite curve of time. You have a peak at a certain age, and... Is there insecurity around that?
25. KSKriti Sanon
  Um.
26. KRKL Rahul
  There's no insecurity, but there's, there's a feeling of, at least for me, there's a feeling that all this ends, and for me, it ends pretty quickly, you know?
27. NKNikhil Kamath
  What age does it end at?
28. KRKL Rahul
  I mean, if you're, if you're healthy and fit enough, if you can carry yourself, then maybe till forty. You can play till forty. That's the max someone's played. Yes, there are-- there is MS Dhoni, who's playing. He's forty-three now, and he's still playing. You can play the IPL and all of that, but not, um, not at the international level for, for too long. So there's-
29. NKNikhil Kamath
  So how do you make-
30. KRKL Rahul
  There's that fear that all this... I don't know if it's fear, but there's al-- fear cum realization that the shelf life is really small for an athlete, and you need to make the most of it within whatever, whatever time you have.
2:29:51 – 2:40:12
Boys Chat: Dating, Business & Life
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  Now that Kriti is gone, we can talk like boys. So [laughing] let's start with Badshah.
2. BABadshah
  Oh, [beep] [laughing]
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  [laughing] In the world of boys.
4. BABadshah
  [in Hindi]
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  [laughing]
6. BABadshah
  No one.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  Why? You must have had so much access, no?
8. BABadshah
  Access?
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  With all these videos and all of that. We keep watching it on TV.
10. KSKriti Sanon
  [laughing]
11. BABadshah
  Mm-mm, no one. I'm not dating anyone. I cannot.
12. NKNikhil Kamath
  You cannot?
13. BABadshah
  It, uh, takes away my focus. In, in fact, recently, [in Hindi] in general.
14. NKNikhil Kamath
  Because they were distracting you?
15. BABadshah
  Distracting me. [in English] Thodi si bhi, which is, which sounds a little selfish, but thodi si bhi answerability, yeah, thoda sa bhi time division-
16. NKNikhil Kamath
  Mm
17. BABadshah
  ... was hindering my, in my mind, a higher purpose.
18. NKNikhil Kamath
  Is a relationship important for feeling whole as an individual?
19. BABadshah
  No.
20. NKNikhil Kamath
  No. Rahul would disagree, right?
21. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, I would, I would disagree a little bit.
22. BABadshah
  Depends on the person.
23. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, yeah, it depends on the person.
24. NKNikhil Kamath
  What do you get from a relationship that he's not cognizant to be missing?
25. KRKL Rahul
  I don't know if he's miss... I can tell you what, what helps me with my relationship. Um, it's just having someone you go back home to who's, you know, uh, who's, who, who loves me, cares for me, um, regardless of my performance or what the people outside are saying. She's my, she's, she's my safe space. She's my escape. She's a lot of things. She keeps me grounded. Um-
26. BABadshah
  She's amazing, by the way.
27. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah, she is amazing. Yeah, I'm very lucky. I'm very grateful. But, um, yeah, just in general, I think relationships help, help you, um... like, I feel like help you stay a lot more focused. Um, and I have been out of relationships and played, like, while I was, before I dated Athiya, I was single for a long time, and I can-... confidently say that there were a lot, like, my mind would waver a lot more then than it does now.
28. NKNikhil Kamath
  Stability.
29. KRKL Rahul
  Yeah.
30. NKNikhil Kamath
  Yeah?
2:40:12 – 2:41:30
How long does it take to build a successful biz in india
1. NKNikhil Kamath
  Haan, haan.
2. BABadshah
  Kitne time mein normally pata chal jata hai ki ye sahi business hai ya kharab business? Kitne, ek sal?
3. NKNikhil Kamath
  Ek sal, do sal. One, two years.
4. BABadshah
  Ek aur do, maybe-
5. NKNikhil Kamath
  Two years. Let's assume two years. I feel like if two years mein you have not gotten any traction or significant traction, you should con-
6. BABadshah
  Ditto.
7. NKNikhil Kamath
  -reconsider. Yeah. But I feel like India is the place to build companies right now. Uh, so much money is coming in from outside, chasing entrepreneurship in India. We living here have this, uh, proximity advantage. Jaise ki koi foreigner aake company X mein paise dal raha hai, I might know him from my area. I might have heard v- heard of him from ten other friends. It's significantly easier for us to pick industries and companies and people compared to foreigners. I think we should use that advantage and field more entrepreneurship in India. Yeah.
8. BABadshah
  Thank you. [upbeat music]
9. NKNikhil Kamath
  [chuckles] Thank you, guys. Thank you so much for coming, and, uh, thank you, everybody.
10. KRKL Rahul
  Enjoyed it.
11. NKNikhil Kamath
  Bye. [upbeat music] Done! Cut.

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