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Nikhil Kamath x Ranbir Kapoor | People by WTF Ep #2

We all signal a version of ourselves that we think the world should see, but rarely show the sides that make us innately human. I think society misrepresents insecurity as a bad thing.. In my opinion, Insecurity with inaction is a bad thing… insecurity leading to action is a superpower. In this episode of People by WTF, we have Ranbir Kapoor. While the film industry seems to be all about glamour and box office numbers, I think it is quite interesting to know bits of the other side. #NikhilKamath Co-founder of Zerodha, True Beacon and Gruhas Twitter: [https://www.twitter.com/nikhilkamathcio](https://x.com/nikhilkamathcio/) LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkamathcio Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/nikhilkamathcio Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nikhilkamathcio #RanbirKapoor Timestamps - 00:00 - Introduction 1:13 - Chapter 1 - Prelude 4:37 - Chapter 2 - Life Before work 15:00 - Chapter 3 - Movies & Society 18:53 - Chapter 4 - Relationships 24:04 - Chapter 5 - Life away from work 28:00 - Chapter 6 - A deep dive into Ranbir & Nikhil 49:49 - Chapter 7 - Society Today 55:45 - Chapter 8 - Idea of Romance 1:01:34 - Food Break 1:02:08 - Chapter 9 - Politics 1:04:06 - Chapter 10 - The World Of Cinema 1:16:27 - Chapter 11 - Highs and Lows 1:30:52 - Chapter 12 - Life at the moment 1:43:45 - Chapter 13 - Health 1:46:34 - Chapter 14 - Competition 1:49:20 - Chapter 15 - Closing Thoughts #peoplebywtf #wtfiswithnikhilkamath #wtfispodcast

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Jul 27, 20241h 50mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:13

    Introduction

    1. NK

      [upbeat music] As an entrepreneur, right, we speak mostly to young wannabe twenty-year-old boys and girls who want to start a business, to be desirable, uh, from the lens of getting funding, to be wanted. I think that innate quality, uh, I feel like you do it very well. We want to be able to teach a young guy or girl how to emulate that. [upbeat music] Hi, Ranbir.

    2. RK

      Hi, Nikhil.

    3. NK

      How's it going? Uh...

    4. RK

      Uh,

  2. 1:13 – 4:37

    Chapter 1 - Prelude

    1. RK

      nervous, uh, excited.

    2. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    3. RK

      You know, over the years, I've heard so much about you, about your achievements, and, and all of that. But I, uh, uh, I was on Reels one day on Instagram, and I came across this one reel of yours, where you spoke about, uh... was it detachment, indifference?

    4. NK

      Detachment, yeah.

    5. RK

      Uh, detachment.

    6. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    7. RK

      And it was something which really resonated with me because I felt like, okay, that's something that I connected with. Uh, it's not something that I probably believe also, but it's not something that I could say it openly. Uh, I was very afraid to say something like that. Uh, and I think that really kind of... I, I, I felt you there, you know? So, uh, so I got very excited to speak to you, and really happy to be on the show.

    8. NK

      And I looked for a bunch of interviews of yours.

    9. RK

      You have-

    10. NK

      For some reason, you never do one more than 20 minutes.

    11. RK

      Uh, no. Because that's the thing, right?

    12. NK

      Yeah.

    13. RK

      When you are, when you are promoting a film, that's the only time you give interviews. It's so film-centric, and it's... sometimes it's... I think the relationship of film actors with Indian media, especially entertainment media, is a bit, um, shaky. It's because you start talking to them before the film is released.

    14. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    15. RK

      And people are not really interested in knowing about the film as much as they're interested in your personal life.

    16. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    17. RK

      As much as at one time it was my marriage, then it was Raha, then it was now it's fatherhood. So that's what stands out, you know? So I think a lot of actors and film people realize that interviews is not the way to go to promote a film.

    18. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    19. RK

      Uh, you have something inspiring to say, uh, then do an interview, and that's what I believe in. Because when you talk, you're inspiring, you're inspiring people, you're sharing your own experiences. If you don't have anything to share, I'm not interested in talking about myself.

    20. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    21. RK

      I'm not interested in talking about my achievements-

    22. NK

      Mm

    23. RK

      ... or, or my personal achievements.

    24. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    25. RK

      Uh, but something like this, uh, uh, is, is stimulating. It's stimulating for me-

    26. NK

      Yeah

    27. RK

      ... it's inspiring for me. And I hope, like, with this conversation, we can inspire somebody, you know? With some experience.

    28. NK

      Yeah. I have a lot of curiosity around our conversations that day, and I genuinely wanted to get to know you more. Uh, so I have no questions for today.

    29. RK

      Perfect.

    30. NK

      Uh, I'll set context and say, I don't know too much about Bollywood. Uh, so I, I wouldn't ask you too many questions about-

  3. 4:37 – 15:00

    Chapter 2 - Life Before work

    1. NK

      a part of your life, childhood, I'll tell you a part of mine.

    2. RK

      Great. Why don't you start?

    3. NK

      So we can go back and forth.

    4. RK

      Why don't you start?

    5. NK

      Yeah, sure. Uh-

    6. RK

      I mean, everything I-

    7. NK

      Uh.

    8. RK

      I, I know everything from you joining a call center-

    9. NK

      Huh

    10. RK

      ... till now.

    11. NK

      Mm.

    12. RK

      So a- anything before that is something I'm interested in.

    13. NK

      Yeah. Born in Shimoga, in Karnataka.

    14. RK

      Okay.

    15. NK

      Dad worked in Canara Bank. Uh, so he got transferred typically once every three years. Uh, moved from Shimoga to Hassan, again in Karnataka. Then went to Haryana, lived in a place called Karnal for three years.

    16. RK

      Mm-hmm.

    17. NK

      Great experiences. Still have some friends from Karnal. Uh-

    18. RK

      You finished your schooling there?

    19. NK

      I stayed in Karnal till I was about six or seven, I would like to say.

    20. RK

      Okay.

    21. NK

      Then came to Bangalore.

    22. RK

      Mm-hmm.

    23. NK

      Uh, then when my dad got transferred beyond that, we didn't travel with him-

    24. RK

      Okay

    25. NK

      ... but we stayed in, uh, Bangalore with my mother, and my mother's family was here.

    26. RK

      Okay.

    27. NK

      In, uh, in Bangalore, my grandmother, her brother-

    28. RK

      Your Nani.

    29. NK

      Yeah. Uh, when she was alive, they were all in Bangalore. And, uh, from the age of seven till 37, uh, for the last 30 years, I've been pretty much a Bangalore boy. Have immense love for the city, uh, which has, in a way, given me everything.

    30. RK

      Mm-hmm.

  4. 15:00 – 18:53

    Chapter 3 - Movies & Society

    1. NK

      men of that generation want to be? Like, do you think the movies of your father's time-

    2. RK

      Mm-hmm

    3. NK

      ... subconsciously made him who he is, who he was?

    4. RK

      I think that's how India was also, no, at that time.

    5. NK

      Mm.

    6. RK

      Art imitates life, life imitates art. Uh, that goes on year by year. But I think back then, the kind of movies my father was doing, um... See, it, it was a way more forgiving audience. Cinema was, like-

    7. NK

      Mm

    8. RK

      ... a very big medium, and it was, apart from cricket, it was the only source of entertainment at that time. So you could be doing five films a year on, on the same subject, uh, the same story.

    9. NK

      Mm.

    10. RK

      You know, lost and found, um, it was the same thing, but they were just doing the same stuff. So they were very forgiving. Today's... In today's day and age, they're not forgiving. When you speak about a film like Animal, Animal became a huge success, but I remember when I was offered the film, and the first time I heard the story, I got very scared. I got very scared, it's because I'm also kind of been, um, uh, following a career path, where I'm doing good roles and, you know, trying to give good social messages. Uh, you know, not trying to, um, do stuff which I kind of play the good boy, basically, you know? Coming of age, that, my romantic image that I had. Um, so I found this very bold. I found this very, um, um, um, adulterated. I found this something which I was very scared that maybe the audience will not accept me. And let me tell you, like, when the film was released, even though it did amazing numbers and did really well, and we got a lot of love, there, there is a, a, a big audience which, uh, found this film misogynist and found this film, um, wrong in some way.

    11. NK

      I'm not saying this because you're sitting here.

    12. RK

      Mm.

    13. NK

      Uh, I feel like I'll get into a little bit of trouble maybe for saying this, but how can somebody be okay admiring Godfather, where a gangster is killing 20 people, and that is okay?

    14. RK

      Mm. His own brother.

    15. NK

      Yeah.

    16. RK

      Yeah.

    17. NK

      But this is not okay.

    18. RK

      Yeah.

    19. NK

      I, I don't think movies should be where society derives their sense of morality.

    20. RK

      Yeah.

    21. NK

      Movie is a medium of entertainment, right?

    22. RK

      Yeah.

    23. NK

      And you're portraying a story and doing it in the best manner you-

    24. RK

      That, that was the intention, Nikhil.

    25. NK

      Yeah.

    26. RK

      But I think it was, uh, misconstrued, and I think social media also played havoc.

    27. NK

      Mm.

    28. RK

      You know, they, they need something to talk about-

    29. NK

      Mm

    30. RK

      ... so they really went to town with, uh, claiming what a misogynist film. And what happens is that, you know, the hard work that you put in, and I know that this director also made a film called Kabir Singh, which also faced-

  5. 18:53 – 24:04

    Chapter 4 - Relationships

    1. NK

      relationship?

    2. RK

      Uh, sister, uh, is two years older to me. We, uh, um... I love her. We shared a room together till I was in the seventh grade, so I was 13, and she was 15. She used to beat me up first because she was bigger than me.

    3. NK

      Mm.

    4. RK

      Uh, she was a bit chubby, but when I grew in size, then I used to beat her-

    5. NK

      Mm.

    6. RK

      -uh, do all the WWF stunts with her. Um, but then she got-- the thing is, she left for further education to London. By the time she came back, I went to New York. By the time I finished and came back, she got married. So, you know, I, I missed out on the good years of, of bonding with her. Um, she's married in Delhi. She has a beautiful 13-year-old, uh, daughter. Her name is Samara. I love my brother-in-law. Great, super guy. I don't know if you've ever met him. Um, his name is Bharat. Um, so she's happy. Uh, uh, she's, um, she's in a good space. I'm happy for her, but I'm not as close to her as I would like to be. Um, again, it goes back to that indifferent detachment. Um, I've always been that person.

    7. NK

      You, you think, you think you're that avoidant attached?

    8. RK

      I think so, always, and this is not something that I became after I became a working professional.

    9. NK

      Mm.

    10. RK

      I was like this at a very young age. I think, yeah, I have this faint memory. I don't know which friend this was, but I think when I was, like, four or five, this... Whenever this friend used to leave home after playing with me, it used to really burn inside, like something-

    11. NK

      Mm

    12. RK

      ... used to break. And I think maybe, uh, I just closed up, and I just detached myself from everybody. Maybe it was that, maybe I was born that way, I don't know. But I do have memory of feeling a lot of pain when that person was going away. Um, but having said that, now that I am a father and I have a daughter, uh, that's a game changer. So that is making me question detachment and indifference, uh, because I feel like, uh, like I was just born, you know, like I, I was reborn right now.

    13. NK

      Mm.

    14. RK

      So the 40 years of my life that I've lived was-

    15. NK

      Mm

    16. RK

      ... another life. This is another life which is, which is starting. So feeling a lot of new kind of emotions, a lot of new kind of feelings are creeping in, um, new thoughts. I never feared death. I always said that I will die at the age of 71, uh, because I had this obsession with the number eight. I don't know why I said that.

    17. NK

      Mm.

    18. RK

      I don't know to sound cool or what.

    19. NK

      Mm.

    20. RK

      But now I'm like, "That's too soon. That's like another 30 years."

    21. NK

      Mm.

    22. RK

      "I want to live at least for 40 more years."

    23. NK

      Mm.

    24. RK

      So all that has changed a bit now because I have a daughter.

    25. NK

      What's that feeling? See, I, I don't know it, of having a child.

    26. RK

      Will you get married, though? I, I asked you-

    27. NK

      Yeah

    28. RK

      ... and you said, "No."

    29. NK

      No, no intent of... I don't see myself getting married or having kids.

    30. RK

      But Nikhil, what if somebody just sweeps you off your feet, and you just fall head over heels [chuckles] in love, then what?

  6. 24:04 – 28:00

    Chapter 5 - Life away from work

    1. RK

      other passions?

    2. NK

      Outside of work?

    3. RK

      Mm.

    4. NK

      Uh-

    5. RK

      Sport or a hobby?

    6. NK

      Yeah, I play badminton sometimes. I used to play football. I go to the gym once in a while. I read some books, uh-

    7. RK

      Once in a while, as in you have a trainer, you have a program, or you just go because you just feel like working out?

    8. NK

      No, no, I have a trainer-

    9. RK

      Okay

    10. NK

      ... who I've had for a long time. He's more like my, uh, social interaction of the day in Bangalore.

    11. RK

      Okay.

    12. NK

      So in Bangalore, I don't particularly, or in Bombay, I don't go out, go out as such.

    13. RK

      ... so we're talking about three things. You had 70, sports, hobby-

    14. NK

      Mm.

    15. RK

      -and will you retire? I want to know these three things.

    16. NK

      Retirement, I don't know.

    17. RK

      You won't.

    18. NK

      I, it's not very appealing to me. I'm like, retire and do what? If I had this passion in life that I have not been able to give time to, and I can go into that, maybe retire. But I don't have such a thing. I've not found anything. Um, I would be very insecure if I didn't have to go to work for a long time, because I find a lot of my validation from my work.

    19. RK

      And Nikhil, when you say work, it's not the companies, not where, where you're investing or what you have. It could be something new, right?

    20. NK

      Hmm.

    21. RK

      Like, you're not married to just the things that you're doing right now.

    22. NK

      No, no, not at all.

    23. RK

      Like, you like to try new things-

    24. NK

      Yeah

    25. RK

      ... new businesses.

    26. NK

      Yeah. But I'm not as composed as, you know, I sometimes project to be. I'm always looking for, uh, validation in the small things in life and the big things in life.

    27. RK

      Validation from whom?

    28. NK

      Validation-

    29. RK

      Success.

    30. NK

      Validation to me is... There is no person who is validating me.

  7. 28:00 – 49:49

    Chapter 6 - A deep dive into Ranbir & Nikhil

    1. NK

      everybody know pre-going to New York to the film school, that you're going to be an actor?

    2. RK

      Yeah.

    3. NK

      In-

    4. RK

      Everybody knew who I was-

    5. NK

      Yeah

    6. RK

      ... especially like, you know, you get pointed out a lot, "Rishi Kapoor's son," you know, all of that. Uh, so you get attention, but I was- because I'm an introvert, so I was always running away from it. Um, new people, um, means new expectations, new friends. Um, I started smoking cigarettes-

    7. NK

      Hmm

    8. RK

      ... um, which became a very nasty habit for, uh, from the age of 17 till last year, when I finally quit.

    9. NK

      Hmm. How did you manage that?

    10. RK

      When I became a father-

    11. NK

      Mm

    12. RK

      ... uh, I started feeling very unhealthy.

    13. NK

      Mm.

    14. RK

      Um, so yeah, HR college reminds me of smoking, because it was the first time I bought a cigarette packet. You know, you share with your friends, and you smoke outside, and you feel grown up-

    15. NK

      Mm

    16. RK

      ... um, and all of that. First time that you're wearing your own clothes-

    17. NK

      Yeah

    18. RK

      ... you know, wearing a school uniform.

    19. NK

      Yeah.

    20. RK

      Um, I've always been a fashion guy. Um-

    21. NK

      Hmm!

    22. RK

      Yeah.

    23. NK

      You're starting a sneaker brand.

    24. RK

      Uh, you know, uh, Nikhil, I've been talking about this actually for many years. For actually 10 years. Uh, I've been a sneakerhead since I was a kid. Uh, into basketball and baseball and American sports. Used to travel a lot to New York. Um, so I'm very passionate about it, but I, uh, I'm very scared. Because I'm scared is because I don't know India as well as I should. I don't know the market. I always question it, that how come we don't have a Zara and H&M? How come we don't have something with such a big consumer market? How come we don't have that? Um, so yeah, I, I, I am planning to start a brand. It's been a couple of years that I'm working on it. Uh, a lifestyle brand, um, essentials-

    25. NK

      Mm.

    26. RK

      -um, something which-

    27. NK

      Streetwear.

    28. RK

      I think streetwear is a bit bastardized now.

    29. NK

      Mm.

    30. RK

      Um, so I think I, I would like to call it essentials. Like what a white T-shirt should be like, what jeans should be like-

  8. 49:49 – 55:45

    Chapter 7 - Society Today

    1. NK

      think is wrong with society today? If you had to paint them in your lens, what would you change?

    2. RK

      I think judgment. Uh, uh, it could be any order, but let me just start with judgment. I think people are, are, are too quick to judge. Um, and I, I, I, and I'm seeing it in my own family members, you know, my own loved ones, my own friends. Uh, very easy to judge, very easy to kind of pull someone down-

    3. NK

      Mm

    4. RK

      ... um, building on it.

    5. NK

      I'll ask you a parallel question as well. What do you think of men's mental health today in society? There is a broad belief that men are not... In society, if there were 10 men, 10 women, 10 could go to war, nine could die, one would come back, and society would propagate. And it is not cool for men to play the victim card, like it might be for women. What do you think that does to male psychology?

    6. RK

      Well, you know, in the last few years, times have been a little... The thing is, you can't comment so freely on this topic anymore, you know? Because somebody picks up something, and that just becomes a trail of you being anti-feminist or-

    7. NK

      Mm

    8. RK

      ... being a male chauvinist.

    9. NK

      Mm.

    10. RK

      So, um, I just feel for anybody, whether it's-

    11. NK

      Mm

    12. RK

      ... a man or a woman-

    13. NK

      Mm

    14. RK

      ... if they're not well mentally, there is no shame in taking help. Um, there is no shame in crying about it, and the people who love you will understand it, and the people who don't understand it don't love you, so it doesn't matter.

    15. NK

      Mm.

    16. RK

      Um, so it doesn't matter what people think.

    17. NK

      Do you think it's harder for men today than it is for women?

    18. RK

      It is harder for men today than... Uh, uh, you're saying re- regarding mental health, uh, and to address it?

    19. NK

      Yeah.

    20. RK

      Hundred percent.

    21. NK

      Not just address it, but they're worse off than women. If I were to grade society on the mental health scale of one to 10-

    22. RK

      I don't know if it's worse for them.

    23. NK

      Mm.

    24. RK

      Uh, listen, women in this country are also really oppressed.

    25. NK

      Mm.

    26. RK

      Like, really oppressed.

    27. NK

      Mm.

    28. RK

      And, and I, I see it in the city like Mumbai.

    29. NK

      Mm.

    30. RK

      So what happens in India, we don't even know.

  9. 55:45 – 1:01:34

    Chapter 8 - Idea of Romance

    1. RK

      will definitely not do anything which will ever make them question me.

    2. NK

      Mm. And you're romantic for prolonged periods in life?

    3. RK

      I think so. I think, yeah.

    4. NK

      What is romance to you? Like, how do you dep- how do you like-

    5. RK

      Watching a movie, ch- laughing, chatting. You know, I'm so lucky, Nikhil, that I married somebody who I'm extremely close as to, as a friend. Like, we can really chat, laugh, bitch. You know, like, she's my best friend.

    6. NK

      Mm.

    7. RK

      And I, I got really lucky with that.

    8. NK

      Mm.

    9. RK

      Um-

    10. NK

      How is Alia as a person?

    11. RK

      Alia is, um, is a wonderful person. She's somebody who is, uh... she's got ve- she's very colorful. She's 11 years younger to me.

    12. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    13. RK

      Uh, and when I met her, she... It's, it's very funny, the first time I met Alia was when she was nine years old, and I was 21. Nine, I was 21? I was 20 years old, and we did a photo shoot together for a movie Sanjay Leela Bhansali wanted to make called Balika Badhu-

    14. NK

      Mm.

    15. RK

      -about child marriage.

    16. NK

      Mm.

    17. RK

      Uh, so that's the first time I met her.

    18. NK

      Mm.

    19. RK

      Uh, it seems a little, uh, weird now to say this, but-

    20. NK

      Were you already in movies at 21?

    21. RK

      I was assisting Bhansali on Black.

    22. NK

      Right.

    23. RK

      Uh, so yeah, he wanted to make a movie with me, so he was dabbling in these different films.

    24. NK

      Mm.

    25. RK

      So I did a photo shoot with Alia, and I still, I have the photo shoot. I'll show it to you. Um, that's the first time I met her. Uh, but Alia was somebody who I met over the years, and I knew that this person is special.

    26. NK

      Mm.

    27. RK

      I have immense respect for her as an actor-

    28. NK

      Mm.

    29. RK

      -as an artist-

    30. NK

      Mm

  10. 1:01:34 – 1:02:08

    Food Break

    1. NK

      and then continue?

    2. RK

      Yeah. [upbeat music]

  11. 1:02:08 – 1:04:06

    Chapter 9 - Politics

    1. RK

      Do you think I'm going to join politics?

    2. NK

      No.

    3. RK

      Never?

    4. NK

      Never.

    5. RK

      Why?

    6. NK

      Mm, I feel like, you know, growing up, I've been a rebel without a cause kind of a thing. Politics requires for you to work in a certain structure and speak a certain narrative, uh, which you might or might not necessarily agree with.

    7. RK

      Mm-hmm.

    8. NK

      And I don't see myself being happy in that kind of a role. I don't think so. That's, that's actually the totally honest answer.

    9. RK

      But you think this could change after Ten Years?

    10. NK

      The role?

    11. RK

      Mm, or, or your, your, your perception about what you think or feel about politics.

    12. NK

      Today, I don't think so. And I kind of like, um... I like my life, the version of my life that I'm living today.

    13. RK

      That you've created for yourself?

    14. NK

      Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think I'm as badass as I would need to be for me to be a politician. Not today, at least. Would you?

    15. RK

      Uh... Politics? No. I think I'm a- I would like to... I like the world of being an artist, creation. I like that. I would like to die trying creating things, direct movies. I know I'm not cut out to be a producer. I tried producing one film called Jagga Jasoos-

    16. NK

      Mm

    17. RK

      ... which, uh, didn't do well at the box office at all. Uh, but I realized that it's a skill set which I don't have, and-

    18. NK

      Mm.

    19. RK

      So it's very easy to say, "You have politics, join karoge, or aap ye karoge,"

    20. NK

      Mm.

    21. RK

      because you're kind of successful in the field that you're in, but everything requires a skill set, and I definitely don't have a skill. I'm not a people person.

    22. NK

      Mm.

    23. RK

      So I think with politics, you have to be a people person.

    24. NK

      Yeah.

    25. RK

      So I'm not that.

    26. NK

      For the entrepreneurs watching

  12. 1:04:06 – 1:16:27

    Chapter 10 - The World Of Cinema

    1. NK

      and who want to be in your industry, what innate skill set does one need to be a producer, a director, a actor, or any of the other roles in there?

    2. RK

      So each... You're saying an actor, what it needs, and producer, what it needs?

    3. NK

      One inherent trait.

    4. RK

      I think in being a part of movies, two things which I've realized is very important is patience. Very important. A lot of people just want to just be successful, and especially with social media, you know, that fifteen minutes of fame and all of that. But to really have a long career in, in, in the arts, you have to have patience. You have to wait. Um, you have to have the quality of sacrifice.

    5. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    6. RK

      You know, you have to sacrifice something, maybe your friendships, or family life, or a great lifestyle, or travel, something. There has to be sacrifice. Uh, now, if I take the professions, to be a director, you have to be extremely selfless and giving. To be a producer, you have to be a people person. I think a producer is somebody who could be a politician-

    7. NK

      Mm-hmm

    8. RK

      ... because he's really getting these two hundred people together, uh, and giving them a belief that we're going to create this, and inspiring them, and, and making things happen. And as an actor, imagination, you know?

    9. NK

      Mm.

    10. RK

      Childlike imagination.

    11. NK

      Mm.

    12. RK

      Don't let that run out. Don't become cynical, you know?

    13. NK

      And the question I asked you first, as a guy or a girl, how do you appear interesting in a room? How do you walk into a room, make an impression that leaves people wanting more?

    14. RK

      You know, Nikhil, I've never had a problem with that because I don't want to be noticed.

    15. NK

      Mm.

    16. RK

      I'm that guy.

    17. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    18. RK

      I, I'm very happy if I'm not the most important person in the room. If the three other actors are getting, uh, more attention than me, I'm very happy, as long as it doesn't come to me. I'm the guy that, you know, when people used to say, "Roll number twenty-eight," and you have to say, "Present,"

    19. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    20. RK

      "Miss," or, "Ranbir here."

    21. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    22. RK

      I used to stammer because I was like... Each time I called Domino's Pizza-

    23. NK

      Mm

    24. RK

      ... for a pizza, and they asked me: What's your name?

    25. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    26. RK

      I had to say, "R-R-Ranbir."

    27. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    28. RK

      Because I, I, I was so low on confidence.

    29. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    30. RK

      Um, so my confidence has become better.

  13. 1:16:27 – 1:30:52

    Chapter 11 - Highs and Lows

    1. NK

      had to say your top... This helps me get to know you so much more as a person.

    2. RK

      Mm.

    3. NK

      Your top two highs of life and lows of life?

    4. RK

      Uh, my daughter's birth-

    5. NK

      Mm

    6. RK

      ... top, second would be, uh... [inhales] I mean, my life, you're saying, or are you saying professional?

    7. NK

      What is the feeling, daughter's birth?

    8. RK

      You know, till the time she was born, when Alia was pregnant, you're imagining it, right? You don't know what the feeling is. She could feel it because-

    9. NK

      Mm

    10. RK

      ... uh, baby's in her. But when she was born, and I was given, uh, I was, like, first thing, the doctor-

    11. NK

      Mm

    12. RK

      ... came and gave me Raha. It's not, you can't describe it. But if I had to describe it, it's like somebody's kind of taken your heart out and just put it in your hand.

    13. NK

      Mm.

    14. RK

      You know, it's, it's, it's, it's so, it's instant. It's the love of your life.

    15. NK

      Mm.

    16. RK

      Like, oh, it's, it's too good. Yeah, it's too good.

    17. NK

      Mm.

    18. RK

      Never felt that, never feel, never will feel that about anything or anybody in my life.

    19. NK

      Does the mother and father feel about it differently? People say that the mother is connected at birth. The father takes six months, twelve months-

    20. RK

      Yeah

    21. NK

      ... to feel something.

    22. RK

      Yeah. I think Raha considers Alia as a part of her.

    23. NK

      Mm.

    24. RK

      So she doesn't consider Alia as another human being, like she-

    25. NK

      Mm

    26. RK

      ... they both are one. But, like, with me, she looks for, like, the masti and fun and, and the laughter and, and, and flirting. We are flirting all the time-

    27. NK

      Mm

    28. RK

      ... me and my daughter.

    29. NK

      Mm.

    30. RK

      So anyways, that was my top moment, and I think the first moment would be, again, it's a little bit of, uh, when I got first form of attention-

  14. 1:30:52 – 1:43:45

    Chapter 12 - Life at the moment

    1. NK

      If you had to term this chapter of your life something, like these two years of your life, what would the chapter be called?

    2. RK

      Wow! Chapter. Do you have an answer for yourself?

    3. NK

      What next?

    4. RK

      What next? So you say what next is because it's not enough?

    5. NK

      Because I feel like I'm-

    6. RK

      Or you're poor, and I need more, I need to achieve more. I need to sp- like, spread my wings [bottle cap rattling] wider. I need to reach out more.

    7. NK

      I feel like I'm transitioning from a very stock market heavy role-

    8. RK

      Mm

    9. NK

      ... to a very longer-term investor kind of role.

    10. RK

      Mm-hmm.

    11. NK

      Uh-... I'm actually enjoying that. Like, each time I invest in a new industry today, uh, it could be any industry, right? It could be like clothes, it could be consumer, it could be coffee, it could be manufacturing, it could be EV. It gives me a high to walk into a completely new field where I know nothing, and then be taught. And, uh-

    12. RK

      When you give somebody a check-

    13. NK

      Mm.

    14. RK

      -do you feel arrogant about it?

    15. NK

      No, no.

    16. RK

      You don't feel arrogant?

    17. NK

      Not at all. The opposite. I feel like once somebody has t-taken a check, they have the right to be arrogant with you-

    18. RK

      But-

    19. NK

      -which is often the case, 'cause they're nice to you-

    20. RK

      It is the case, yeah. Nikhil Kamat is, is, is investing in the company, it is a big deal for them.

    21. NK

      No, also very, uh, consciously, people are nicer to you before they get funded, not after.

    22. RK

      Mm.

    23. NK

      Right? But that process of working with new industries, I find very exhilarating, like... And deep down, I have learnt one fact of my life, is learning alleviates anxiety and validates me.

    24. RK

      Mm.

    25. NK

      There's something about learning. Like, I might not be paying attention to the book in my hand, I might not be capturing any of what it says, but having it in front of my face for an hour before I go to bed makes me feel better about myself. It, it's not the book-

    26. RK

      Mm.

    27. NK

      -it's the act of, the act of even attempting to learn alleviates anxiety for me.

    28. RK

      Mm. Pratikya?

    29. NK

      Huh. Mm.

    30. RK

      Do you spend your money?

  15. 1:43:45 – 1:46:34

    Chapter 13 - Health

    1. NK

      And I don't think it's-

    2. RK

      What are the three health hacks that you've discovered all these years, and you think is really helpful?

    3. NK

      I think-

    4. RK

      Sleep?

    5. NK

      ... sleep is the number one.

    6. RK

      And you're not a afternoon napper or a- Can you nap in the afternoon?

    7. NK

      I can, if I try, I'm sure.

    8. RK

      Mm.

    9. NK

      But doesn't happen very often.

    10. RK

      Okay.

    11. NK

      I try and break my day up in a way that eight, eight thirty in the morning till three thirty, four, I'm stuck with stock markets. I typically try and go to the gym at 4:00, and work out till 5:00, and then do meetings, and the investing stuff, and all of that.

    12. RK

      Oh, okay. So you have a long day of work?

    13. NK

      But it doesn't feel like that.

    14. RK

      Mm.

    15. NK

      A lot of the-

    16. RK

      So when you say you have seven hours during stock market, so you're just in front of TV or on the phone?

    17. NK

      Uh, in front of computers, not on the phone.

    18. RK

      You're not on the phone?

    19. NK

      No. Most of my conversations with my colleagues is on chat.

    20. RK

      Okay. What, what app do you use?

    21. NK

      Uh, Google.

    22. RK

      Google.

    23. NK

      Yeah. So we use Google Mail, Google Drive, Google Chat.

    24. RK

      Mm.

    25. NK

      Everything's on Google.

    26. RK

      Okay, so sleep is one, then?

    27. NK

      What am I having actively? Omega-3.

    28. RK

      Yeah.

    29. NK

      Everybody seems to think there is something in that.

    30. RK

      Mm.

  16. 1:46:34 – 1:49:20

    Chapter 14 - Competition

    1. NK

      Who do you think, if you were to categorize somebody as competition you really look up to-

    2. RK

      Mm

    3. NK

      ... in Bollywood, who would it be?

    4. RK

      Uh, so my age group or below me, right? I wouldn't say the Khans or-

    5. NK

      No, no

    6. RK

      ... anything like that, so yeah. Um, though when I started, I was like, Amitabh Bachchan is my competition. [chuckles] Why should I say, you know, the new guys?

    7. NK

      Mm.

    8. RK

      Um, there's such fine actors. I like Vicky Kaushal's work a lot-

    9. NK

      Mm

    10. RK

      ... Ranbir Singh.

    11. NK

      Mm.

    12. RK

      Um, yeah, you know, it's, it's the opportunity and the film, I've realized that.

    13. NK

      Mm.

    14. RK

      You know, you have a, an actor which you don't quite appreciate right now, but him in a right film at the right time will just change it for you. Uh, but as of right now, two actors that I really like is Vicky Kaushal, Ranbir Singh, uh, and I like Kartik also. You know, I think Kartik has something very charming on screen. You know, he's, he's got a charming personality.

    15. NK

      Is it tough to be in a profession where you, in a way, get the result of a lot of work on one particular day? Like, you put in one year of work, two years of work-

    16. RK

      And it's a span of 10 seconds, right?

    17. NK

      Yeah.

    18. RK

      "Well, yeah, grab off as picture there."

    19. NK

      Yeah.

    20. RK

      You know?

    21. NK

      Yeah.

    22. RK

      Waste of time, or they're like, " [beep] super film," onto life.

    23. NK

      Mm.

    24. RK

      You know, it's just that.

    25. NK

      Mm-hmm.

    26. RK

      Uh, so that's why I say always, "Okay, bach gaye ho," onto the next-

    27. NK

      Mm

    28. RK

      ... because you cannot take that seriously. It's a lot of work for one year. We are making this film like we are saving the world.

    29. NK

      Mm.

    30. RK

      You know?

  17. 1:49:20 – 1:50:30

    Chapter 15 - Closing Thoughts

    1. NK

      thoughts?

    2. RK

      This has truly been, um... You know, it feels, uh, it happens to me, you know, sometimes when I'm, when I'm acting, and you're very tired, and you give a shot, and you've really given something from inside, and you're not aware of what you've said. And you go home, and you wonder, "What did I say?" But something has left you in some way, so you feel a little weak and drowsy. So I'm feeling a little weak and drowsy.

    3. NK

      [chuckles]

    4. RK

      Uh, I hope we've not spoken rubbish, but, um, I mean, it's, it's really an honor to be around you, to speak to you. And, um, you showing so much of interest towards me, my work, and my, my, my life, uh, it's been a pleasure.

    5. NK

      No, thank-

    6. RK

      Thank you, man.

    7. NK

      Thank you so much for coming, and, uh, we'd love to see more of you.

    8. RK

      Mm.

    9. NK

      We'll figure out how we can do it.

    10. RK

      [chuckles]

    11. NK

      We'll tell you, uh, topics that might resonate with you. So we can start the conversation here, but over the years, we'll do a lot more. Done. [upbeat music] Thank you so much. [chuckles]

    12. RK

      Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you all, everyone.

    13. NK

      Thanks, all. [upbeat music] I think we've done three hours.

    14. RK

      Are you serious?

    15. NK

      Yeah. Yeah. [chuckles]

    16. RK

      Like, cut it. [chuckles]

    17. NK

      [chuckles]

    18. RK

      ... [upbeat music]

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