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#151 - Alex Hutchinson, Ph.D.: Translating the science of endurance and extreme human performance

Alex Hutchinson is a sports science journalist, author of the book Endure—which explores the science of endurance and the real limits of human performance—and former competitive runner for the Canadian national team. In this episode, Alex tells the story of his “aha moment” during a meaningless track meet that catapulted his running career and seeded his interest in the power of the mind. He then explains the science behind VO2 max, the difference between maximum aerobic capacity and efficiency, and extracts insights from examples of extreme human performance, such as the recent attempts to break the 2-hour mark in the marathon. Finally, he brings it back to what this all means for the everyday person: optimal exercise volume for maintaining health, how to avoid acute and chronic injuries, how to diversify your exercise portfolio, HIIT protocols, and much more. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - Alex’s background and passion for running 00:07:15 - The power of the mind: Alex’s “aha moment” that catapulted his running career 00:18:30 - Pursuing a Ph.D. in physics while prioritizing his running career, and doing the hardest thing possible 00:26:30 - Career transition to journalism, tips for improving your writing, and insights from the best writers 00:41:00 - Breaking down VO2 max: Definition, history, why it plateaus, and whether it really matters 00:53:40 - The case study of Oskar Svensson: Why a higher VO2 Max isn’t always better, and the difference between maximum aerobic capacity and efficiency 01:07:00 - The sub 2-hour marathon: The amazing feat by Kipchoge, and what will it take to “officially” run a 2-hour marathon 01:23:10 - Comparing the greatest mile runners from the 1950s to today 01:29:30 - How the brain influences the limits of endurance 01:33:30 - Relationship between exercise volume and health: Minimum dose, optimal dose, and whether too much exercise can shorten lifespan 01:53:45 - Age-associated decline in aerobic capacity and muscle mass, and the quick decline with extreme inactivity 02:00:50 - Strength or muscle mass—which is more important? 02:03:00 - Avoiding acute and chronic injuries from exercise 02:10:00 - High intensity interval training: Evolution of the Tabata protocol, pros and cons of HIIT training, and how it fits into a healthy exercise program 02:20:15 - The importance of understanding why you are engaging in exercise 02:22:40 - How we can encourage better science journalism and reduce the number of sensationalized headlines Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/alexhutchinson/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 25 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/​​ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/​​ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/​​ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB​​ Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW​​ Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG​​ Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts​​ Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast​​ Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify​​ Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

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Mar 1, 20212h 31mWatch on YouTube ↗

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March 1, 2021
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Alex Hutchinson is a sports science journalist, author of the book Endure—which explores the science of endurance and the real limits of human performance—and former competitive runner for the Canadian national team. In this episode, Alex tells the story of his “aha moment” during a meaningless track meet that catapulted his running career and seeded his interest in the power of the mind. He then explains the science behind VO2 max, the difference between maximum aerobic capacity and efficiency, and extracts insights from examples of extreme human performance, such as the recent attempts to break the 2-hour mark in the marathon. Finally, he brings it back to what this all means for the everyday person: optimal exercise volume for maintaining health, how to avoid acute and chronic injuries, how to diversify your exercise portfolio, HIIT protocols, and much more. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - Alex’s background and passion for running 00:07:15 - The power of the mind: Alex’s “aha moment” that catapulted his running career 00:18:30 - Pursuing a Ph.D. in physics while prioritizing his running career, and doing the hardest thing possible 00:26:30 - Career transition to journalism, tips for improving your writing, and insights from the best writers 00:41:00 - Breaking down VO2 max: Definition, history, why it plateaus, and whether it really matters 00:53:40 - The case study of Oskar Svensson: Why a higher VO2 Max isn’t always better, and the difference between maximum aerobic capacity and efficiency 01:07:00 - The sub 2-hour marathon: The amazing feat by Kipchoge, and what will it take to “officially” run a 2-hour marathon 01:23:10 - Comparing the greatest mile runners from the 1950s to today 01:29:30 - How the brain influences the limits of endurance 01:33:30 - Relationship between exercise volume and health: Minimum dose, optimal dose, and whether too much exercise can shorten lifespan 01:53:45 - Age-associated decline in aerobic capacity and muscle mass, and the quick decline with extreme inactivity 02:00:50 - Strength or muscle mass—which is more important? 02:03:00 - Avoiding acute and chronic injuries from exercise 02:10:00 - High intensity interval training: Evolution of the Tabata protocol, pros and cons of HIIT training, and how it fits into a healthy exercise program 02:20:15 - The importance of understanding why you are engaging in exercise 02:22:40 - How we can encourage better science journalism and reduce the number of sensationalized headlines Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/alexhutchinson/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 25 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/​​ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/​​ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/​​ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB​​ Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW​​ Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG​​ Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts​​ Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast​​ Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify​​ Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

SPEAKERS

  • Peter Attia

    host

    Physician and host of The Drive podcast focused on medicine, health, and longevity.

  • Alex Hutchinson

    guest

    Endurance science journalist and author with a Ph.D. in physics, known for writing about extreme human performance.

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Peter Attia MD, featuring Peter Attia and Alex Hutchinson, #151 - Alex Hutchinson, Ph.D.: Translating the science of endurance and extreme human performance explores alex Hutchinson on endurance limits, VO2 max, exercise, and science journalism Hutchinson recounts his running career, including a race in which a mistimed split fooled him into a nine-second personal best, and his path from a physics PhD to journalism.

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