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#162 - Sarah Hallberg, D.O., M.S.: Treating metabolic disease, & a personal journey through cancer

View show notes page for this episode: https://bit.ly/3wWvMoE Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://bit.ly/35uHEmy Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Sarah Hallberg is the Medical Director at Virta Health and a physician who has spent nearly two decades treating patients with obesity and type 2 diabetes. In the first half of this episode, Sarah discusses how she became a huge believer in the efficacy of carbohydrate restriction for the treatment of type 2 diabetes through her research and clinical experience. Sarah challenges the common beliefs about the role of dietary fat and carbohydrate on the plasma makeup of fatty acids and triglycerides. She also expresses the importance of understanding early predictors of metabolic illness—highlighting one particular fatty acid as the most important early predictor—before finishing with a discussion about how doctors might be able to personalize patients’ metabolic management in the future. In the second half of this episode, Sarah tells the personal story of her own lung cancer diagnosis. She talks about dealing with her grief, deciding to continue her work while prioritizing her family, and how she devised a plan to extend her survival as long as possible. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - How Sarah discovered the profound impact of carbohydrate restriction for reversing obesity and type 2 diabetes 00:13:30 - Prediabetes and metabolic syndrome: prevalence, early signs, and the importance of treating early 00:27:45 - Overview of fatty acids, how they are metabolized, and understanding what you see in a standard blood panel 00:33:45 - The relationship between diet composition and metabolic markers 00:47:50 - Why palmitoleic acid is such an important biomarker 1:00:30 - The best early indicators of metabolic disease 1:07:45 - Personalized management of metabolic illness 1:16:50 - Sarah’s cancer diagnosis and the beginning of her journey 1:30:00 - The emotional impact of a devastating diagnosis 1:40:30 - Sarah’s plan to extend survival 1:52:15 - Sarah’s aggressive treatment plan 2:05:00 - Life-threatening complications and the return of her cancer 2:18:26 - Sarah’s reflections on her approach to life with chronic cancer and balancing her time -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://bit.ly/3K14KjP Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

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May 17, 20212h 29mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Sarah Hallberg on Carb Restriction, Palmitoleic Acid Biomarkers, and Stage Four Lung Cancer

  1. Sarah Hallberg explains how she moved from prescribing low-fat, low-calorie diets to carbohydrate restriction after seeing patients' type 2 diabetes resolve and insulin doses fall dramatically.
  2. She and Peter Attia argue that prediabetes and metabolic syndrome are widespread, that damage begins well before A1C or fasting glucose become abnormal, and that standard cutoffs can miss people, including African American patients with normal triglycerides.
  3. Using feeding studies, Hallberg shows that eating more saturated fat on a low-carb diet did not raise blood saturated fat, while palmitoleic acid (16:1) rose with higher carbohydrate intake, suggesting it could mark an individual's carbohydrate tolerance.
  4. Hallberg tells of her June 2017 collapse and diagnosis of stage four EGFR-mutated lung cancer despite never smoking, her aggressive rotating treatments, and a life-threatening reaction to Gemzar.
  5. Her experience as a privileged physician-patient who still faced a four-month delay before a clinical trial drives her commitment to health equity across diabetes and cancer care.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Normal blood sugar does not mean metabolic health.

Hallberg and Attia stress that insulin resistance develops for years before A1C or fasting glucose become abnormal, and Hallberg cites NHANES data showing 88% of American adults are not in optimal metabolic health.

Dietary saturated fat does not simply show up as blood saturated fat.

In the feeding studies Hallberg presents, people eating very high saturated fat on low-carb diets did not have higher serum saturated fatty acids, and if anything levels trended higher on the lower-saturated-fat, higher-carb diets.

Palmitoleic acid could serve as an early, individualized marker.

Hallberg says 16:1 rises when carbohydrate intake exceeds a person's tolerance via increased SCD-1 activity, and could eventually help identify an individual's carbohydrate threshold before conventional markers change.

Obesity may be a result of metabolic disease rather than its cause.

Hallberg and Attia both argue the liver's conversion and export of fat happens before major weight gain, and Hallberg says this means patients with obesity should not be blamed or treated with bias.

Reducing insulin dose is a meaningful win even if insulin isn't eliminated.

Attia notes that going from 100 units to 20 units is a major health improvement, and Hallberg explains that whether someone can come off insulin depends largely on their remaining beta cell function.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I just need 11 years, which to everyone was unrealistic.

— Sarah Hallberg

You can live feeling sorry for yourself and of all the things that you're gonna lose, or you can go out and live, and your kids are gonna be better for it.

— Sarah Hallberg

Damn it, I liked my old life, and I liked the old me, and it's still a little hard to get used to who this person is now.

— Sarah Hallberg

88% of adult Americans are not in optimal metabolic health.

— Sarah Hallberg

The future of medicine has to be coming up with tools that allow us to take broad, sweeping, you know, population-based insights and very quickly, uh, target individuals.

— Peter Attia

Carbohydrate restriction for type 2 diabetesPrediabetes and metabolic syndrome prevalencePalmitoleic acid and SCD-1 as biomarkersDe novo lipogenesis and VLDLPersonalized carbohydrate tolerance and beta cell reserveNon-smoker EGFR lung cancer diagnosisAggressive rotating cancer treatment and complications

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