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183 - Building & Changing Habits with James Clear of "Atomic Habits"

Read full show notes here: https://bit.ly/3mSR9C1 James Clear is the author of the New York Times bestseller Atomic Habits. His extensive research into human behavior has helped him identify key components of habit formation and develop the “Four Laws of Behavioral Change.” In this episode, James provides insights into how both good and bad habits are formed, including the influence of genetics, environment, social circles, and more. He points to changes one can make to cultivate more perseverance and discipline and describes the profound impact habits can have when tying them into one’s self-identity. Finally, James breaks down his “Four Laws of Behavioral Change” and how to use them to create new habits, undo bad habits, and make meaningful changes in one’s life. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - Why James became deeply interested in habits 00:04:39 - Viewing habits through an evolutionary lens 00:08:29 - The power of immediate feedback for behavior change, and why we tend to repeat bad habits 00:14:25 - The role of genetics and innate predispositions in determining one’s work ethic and success in a given discipline 00:24:36 - How finding one’s passion can cultivate perseverance and discipline 00:31:40 - Advantages of creating systems and not just setting goals 00:39:55 - The power of habits combined with self-identity to induce change 00:55:13 - How a big environmental change or life event can bring on radical behavioral change 00:59:38 - The influence of one’s social environment on their habits 01:06:28 - How and why habits are formed 01:16:45 - How to make or break a habit with the “Four Laws of Behavior Change” 01:24:08 - Practical tips for successful behavioral change—the best strategies when starting out 01:40:01 - Self-forgiveness and getting back on track immediately after slipping up 01:50:18 - Law #1: Make it obvious—Strategies for identifying and creating cues to make and break habits 01:59:24 - Law #2: Make it attractive—examples of ways to make a new behavior more attractive 02:12:00 - Law #3: Make it easy—the 2-minute rule 02:17:17 - Law #4: Make it satisfying—rewards and reinforcement 02:20:18 - Advice for helping others to make behavioral changes -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 35 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://bit.ly/3ob4Onv Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://bit.ly/2Yt1v26 Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/3bSapZU Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

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Nov 8, 20212h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

James Clear Explains Habits, Identity, Environment, and the Four Laws

  1. Clear argues that results lag behind habits, that behaviors rewarded immediately get repeated, and that bad habits tend to pay off now while good habits pay off later.
  2. He and Attia discuss genetics, passion, and free will, with Clear concluding that genes tell you where to work hard rather than whether to, and that you should pursue what fascinates you.
  3. Clear contends that systems matter more than goals because winners and losers share the same goals, and that lasting change comes from identity, built by casting small votes with actions.
  4. Environment and social groups are portrayed as powerful drivers of behavior, so Clear recommends redesigning surroundings and joining tribes where the desired behavior is normal.
  5. Clear walks through the four stages of a habit and the four laws (obvious, attractive, easy, satisfying) with practical tools like the two-minute rule, never missing twice, and praising the good when helping others.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Behaviors that get rewarded immediately get repeated.

Clear calls this the cardinal rule of behavior change; bad habits pay off now and cost later, while good habits cost now and pay off later, which explains why bad ones come easily.

Genes inform where to work hard, not whether to.

Citing David Epstein, Clear says traits like grit have a genetic component, so finding areas you are fascinated by ("grit is fit") helps you persevere.

Systems beat goals.

Winners and losers usually share the same goal, and when goal and daily habits conflict, habits win, so Clear says to fix the inputs and let outputs follow.

Identity change comes from casting votes with small actions.

Clear says every action is a vote for who you want to become, and he contrasts this with "fake it till you make it," which asks you to believe something without evidence.

Environment and social norms often outweigh willpower.

Clear calls environment a form of gravity and cites Vietnam soldiers who dropped heroin after leaving the setting that cued it; he advises joining groups where the desired behavior is normal.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Environment is like a form of gravity.

— James Clear

the desire to belong will overpower the desire to improve.

— James Clear

goals are for people who care about winning one time. But systems are for people who care about winning again and again.

— James Clear

a habit must be established before it can be improved.

— James Clear

if you can only have one way to get there, you're actually kind of brittle

— James Clear

Habits as lagging measures of resultsImmediate versus delayed feedbackGenetics, grit, and finding your fitSystems versus goalsIdentity-based habitsEnvironment and social tribesFour laws of behavior change

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