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212 - The Neuroscience of Obesity | Peter Attia, M.D. & Stephan Guyenet, Ph.D.

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/3ydzKti Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://bit.ly/3HJBptT Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Stephan Guyenet is a neuroscientist focused on the neuroscience of obesity and energy homeostasis.  He is the author of the book, The Hungry Brain and founder/ director of Red Pen Reviews. In this episode, Stephan explains how obesity has changed phenotypically over the course of human history as well as what might explain the dramatic increase in prevalence of obesity in the last few decades. He talks in depth about the role of genetics, the brain, and hormones like leptin play in the regulation of fat mass. He dives deep into two common theories of obesity—the carbohydrate-insulin model and the energy balance model and provides his take on which theory has stronger evidence. Additionally, he provides insights on how we’re hard-wired to think about food and the consequences of modern foods designed for maximal pleasure. Finally, he goes through the factors that affect body weight, set points, and provides takeaways for people wanting to take advantage of what we know about the brain’s role in regulating our body weight. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:08 - Stephan’s neuroscience background and his focus on the nuances of obesity 0:07:17 - How obesity has changed for humans throughout history 0:14:45 - The association between obesity and adverse health outcomes, the “obesity paradox,” and confounders when relating BMI to longevity 0:25:49 - The sharp increase in obesity across demographics 0:33:52 - The hypothalamus and its role in obesity 0:45:32 - The role of the hormone leptin in obesity 0:53:24 - The genetic component of obesity 1:05:48 - Understanding the tendency of humans to store fat through an evolutionary lens 1:13:32 - The hedonic aspect of food, and how the brain reacts to modern, highly-rewarding foods 1:26:46 - How we are hard-wired to think about food 1:35:16 - A review of the “Carnivore diet” 1:50:06 - The energy balance model, carbohydrate-insulin model, and unifying the theories around adiposity 1:58:41 - Body weight set points: a hypothetical comparison of two individuals 2:07:26 - Takeaways for people who want to lose weight and keep it off 2:16:34 - Evidence that favors the energy balance model of weight gain 2:26:54 - The synergistic effect of fat and carbohydrates and observations that a low-fat diet or a low-carb diet can cause weight loss 2:34:46 - Red Pen Reviews -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 45 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://bit.ly/3OcTzXg Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies.

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Jun 27, 20222h 48mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Stephan Guyenet Explains How the Brain Drives Obesity and Weight Regulation

  1. Guyenet describes how US obesity rose from low single digits in the late 1800s to about 12% in the 1960s and 43% today, with the biggest shifts at the severe end as the BMI distribution spread out.
  2. He argues the brain is central to obesity because it generates eating behavior and contains the hypothalamic lipostat, which uses leptin to defend a body fat set point that rises in obesity and fights weight loss like a starvation response.
  3. Twin studies suggest roughly 75% heritability of BMI, and genome-wide studies point heavily to brain-related genes, meaning differences in body fatness largely reflect how individual brains are built and operate.
  4. Modern foods that combine carbohydrate and fat hit multiple 'bliss points' and strongly engage reward circuits, while diets at the extremes of the carb-to-fat ratio, including carnivore, tend to cause spontaneous weight loss.
  5. The two men compare the carbohydrate-insulin and energy balance models, conclude the evidence favors energy balance with room for some partitioning effects, and Guyenet describes Red Pen Reviews, which scores popular nutrition books for accuracy.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The obesity paradox is likely a statistical artifact

Guyenet says sick people often lose weight, which confounds BMI-mortality data; the maximum attained weight method shifts the lowest-mortality point toward the lean range and sharpens the link between BMI and mortality.

The brain defends a body fat set point

The hypothalamus reads leptin in proportion to fat mass, and in people with obesity the defended level is higher, so weight loss triggers hunger, cravings, and reduced energy expenditure like starvation, which helps explain why weight loss is hard and temporary.

Body fatness is highly heritable and largely brain-based

Twin meta-analyses suggest about 75% heritability of BMI, and genome-wide studies implicate roughly 900 variants of small effect, enriched for brain-related genes much like psychiatric traits.

Carb-fat combinations are especially rewarding

Guyenet explains that nutrients have an optimal 'bliss point' concentration, and foods like ice cream or pizza hit several at once, which drives dopamine-mediated motivation in a way rarely seen in natural foods.

Extreme macronutrient diets tend to be slimming

Guyenet cites Speakman's mouse study, where fatness peaked at middle carb-to-fat ratios, and says the best explanation is that foods lacking one of the two are less motivating, so people spontaneously eat hundreds fewer calories.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

your set point or your defended level of body weight, there's controversy about what, what to call that, but whatever it is, it goes up. And so a person with obesity, their body defends against weight loss as if they were starving

— Stephan Guyenet

I do think we can say that differences in body fatness between individuals are primarily determined by differences in how the brain is constructed and how it operates.

— Stephan Guyenet

credentials are not a reliable correlate of information quality.

— Stephan Guyenet

Basically, our brains are set up to not be satisfied with ordinary stuff once we have gotten good stuff, is a simple way to put it.

— Stephan Guyenet

the approach that I like to take is to try to give the non-conscious brain signals that are going to be more consistent with your goals, signals that are going to tell your brain to regulate things in a, in a more slimming direction.

— Stephan Guyenet

Historical rise of obesity prevalenceObesity paradox and confounding in BMI dataHypothalamus, lipostat, and leptinHeritability and genetics of body fatnessReward circuits and hyperpalatable foodsCarnivore diet reviewCarbohydrate-insulin vs energy balance models

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