Peter Attia MD217 ‒ Exercise, VO2 max, and longevity | Mike Joyner, M.D.
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Mike Joyner and Peter Attia on Exercise, VO2 Max, Longevity
- Joyner argues that exercise improves blood pressure, diabetes risk, lipids, blood vessel lining and autonomic function, with benefits larger than the sum of those parts, and cites consistent epidemiology showing roughly 50% lower cardiovascular and all-cause mortality in active groups.
- Both speakers say VO2 max predicts mortality with no plateau, that it declines about 10% per decade (roughly half that with hard training), and that building a high base early leaves a buffer for aging.
- Joyner and Attia find the evidence for a J-curve of harm at high exercise volumes weak, with Joyner conceding only a possible small increase in atrial fibrillation that he says does not raise fatal arrhythmia risk.
- On training, Joyner describes elite athletes' roughly 60-70% easy, 20% moderate, 10% hard distribution, endorses four-by-four intervals, stresses form and tempo, and shares his own polarized hard/easy routine.
- Joyner is skeptical of an exercise pill, favors the polypill as a more realistic option, and also discusses doping, longer pro careers, his left-shifted hemoglobin research, convalescent plasma for COVID, and the need for more accessible physical activity.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasExercise epidemiology is unusually consistent.
Joyner points to bus conductors versus drivers and the Vasaloppet ski race finishers, all showing about a 50% reduction in cardiovascular and all-cause mortality, which he contrasts with the weak, inconsistent signals in nutrition research.
Fitness benefits keep rising with higher VO2 max.
Attia describes a JAMA paper in which mortality fell across every fitness group up to the top 2.5%, and Joyner notes that benefit continues up to 15-16 METs.
Strength and stability matter as much as cardio in late life.
Joyner says decline shifts around the mid-70s from cardiopulmonary limits to muscle frailty, citing the inability of many 70-year-olds to get off the floor and the danger of hip fractures, and recommends adding strength, circuit and agility work in the 40s and 50s.
Inactivity is itself highly damaging.
Joyner cites a study in which three weeks of bed rest produced physiological losses comparable to 30 years of aging, which he uses to argue for avoiding inactivity of any kind.
Elite endurance training is mostly easy with a little very hard work.
Joyner describes roughly 60-70% of training time at easy to moderate effort, about 20% at moderate-hard effort and about 10% hard, a pattern he says the best athletes have converged on.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI like to tell people you cannot extract what has not been delivered, and so the key is delivery.
— Mike Joyner
You really get into a death spiral.
— Mike Joyner
a good interval workout, and this sounds, uh, you know, completely masochistic, is like putting your hand in warm water and then slowly increasing the temperature in the water to where you can barely stand it anymore and then leave it in for a while.
— Mike Joyner
you gotta get... And you s- certainly have seen that in some, some, uh, uh, studies with, with older, you know, people that are really, you know, 60, 70 years old, is that they almost have to do three or four or six months of sort of pre-training before they are fit enough to train hard.
— Mike Joyner
as you watch it, Peter, you, you are awed by this sense of great effort and simultaneous relaxation. It's really, it's a real paradox.
— Mike Joyner
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