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249 ‒ How the brain works, Andrew’s fascinating backstory, improving scientific literacy, and more

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: http://bit.ly/3lXHQmE Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Andrew Huberman is a Professor of Neurobiology at Stanford University and host of the Huberman Lab podcast. In this episode, Andrew begins with a fascinating discussion about the brain, including the role of the prefrontal cortex in adjusting your ruleset to match your setting, the neural circuitry underlying the ability of stress to limit creativity and problem-solving, the effect of belief on physiology and performance, and more. He speaks about vision being our “superpower” and compares this to animals that rely more on other senses. Next, he opens up about his personal journey, the struggles and losses he has overcome, the value of therapy, and the many great people who helped him along the way. He speaks to his love of biology and discovery and the importance of staying true to your passion rather than being driven purely by ambition. Lastly, the conversation includes a look to the future of Andrew's scientific work and podcast as well as his unique approach to communicating science and tackling the issue of scientific illiteracy. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:08 - Exercise under blood flow restriction, lactate utilization & transient changes in the brain function in response to adrenaline and stress 0:06:43 - Role of the prefrontal cortex in governing rulesets 0:13:28 - New discoveries about the circuitry between the prefrontal cortex, insula, and amygdala, & the insights gleaned about brain function in different emotional states 0:24:37 - Comparing human vision & other senses to animals 0:39:43 - A deep dive into vision: evolutionary adaptations, facial recognition & color 0:47:06 - Sense of smell, pheromones, & why evolution developed better vision over smell 0:56:55 - The relationship between visual input & time perception 1:02:39 - Mindset effects: the effect of belief on physiology and performance 1:07:57 - Accessing higher levels of creativity with broadening rulesets and the limiting nature of stress and fear on creativity 1:16:10 - Stress and fear increase autonomic arousal, limit access to rulesets, and inhibit performance 1:18:30 - Andrew’s upbringing, early childhood, and tough adolescent years 1:24:35 - Andrew’s time in a residential treatment program and how he benefited from therapy 1:34:27 - The beginning of positive changes in Andrew’s young life 1:43:59 - Andrew’s decision to turn his life around 1:48:12 - A new passion for science and exercise helps Andrew 2:03:17 - The difference between a postdoc and a PhD 2:08:41 - Staying in touch with the love of biology and not getting pulled into ambition 2:17:30 - Andrew starts his own lab, and continues work to overcome his demons 2:23:16 - The loss of three mentors leads to deep soul searching 2:30:12 - What motivated Andrew to begin his podcast 2:35:32 - Looking to the future of Andrew’s scientific work, podcast, and more 2:43:27 - Andrew’s unique approach to communicating science and the issue of scientific illiteracy -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 60 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies.

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Apr 3, 20233h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Huberman on Brain Rulesets, Vision, Mindset, His Turbulent Youth, and Science Literacy

  1. Huberman explains that the prefrontal cortex sets rulesets by context, and that under stress or panic the insula and amygdala take the lead and narrow access to rulesets, while calm and delight broaden them and support creativity.
  2. The conversation covers vision and the other senses, including retinal specializations in animals, microsaccades, the face-recognition area, and Huberman's account that humans traded olfactory receptor diversity for trichromatic color vision.
  3. Huberman describes a childhood of high parental conflict and neglect, skateboarding, a residential treatment program, and therapy he still continues, followed by a turning point at UC Santa Barbara that led to a PhD and postdoc.
  4. He recounts the deaths of mentors Harry Carlisle, Barbara Chapman, and Ben Barres, the joylessness that followed, and how Hoffman, trauma work, and a friend's challenge led him to Instagram and then the Huberman Lab podcast.
  5. The discussion closes on scientific literacy, where Huberman argues for teaching the verbs and processes of biology over nomenclature, and Attia argues that basic statistics and probability would help the public most.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Stress narrows the rulesets the prefrontal cortex can access.

Huberman describes work from Nolan Williams's lab showing that in panic the insula and amygdala lead the prefrontal cortex rather than the reverse, so thinking becomes inflexible. Calm lets the prefrontal cortex lead and combine rulesets.

Transient adrenaline states can be practiced through deliberate discomfort.

Huberman says people can become familiar with the brief forebrain quieting that follows an adrenaline surge through cold exposure or blood flow restriction cuffs, which lowers the chance of feeling hijacked by it.

Vision dominates the human brain, but real estate is not the whole story.

Huberman estimates 40 to 42 percent of the human brain responds to visual stimuli, while cautioning that neuron counts or volume can mislead. He cites the serotonin projection to the circadian clock as an example.

Belief and mindset measurably alter physiology.

Huberman cites Alia Crum's studies on milkshake labeling, hotel workers' weight loss, and stress beliefs, and says belief effects can account for roughly 8 to 20 percent of the effect of a behavior or food.

Love of the work should come before ambition.

Huberman says Ben Barres taught him to stay in touch with the love of biology and not let ambition pull him away from it, and that the loss of his mentors left him feeling cut off from that source.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

You can have all the knowledge in the world about the underlying biology, and it might not save you.

— Dr. Andrew Huberman

Forget the nouns, focus on the verbs, right?

— Dr. Andrew Huberman

When you treat people like idiots, they act like idiots or they get angry.

— Dr. Andrew Huberman

If I give you 50 facts about the brain, it doesn't change you, but if I explain the process underlying even just five of your daily experiences, then the tools are forever embedded in you.

— Dr. Andrew Huberman

The world would be a much better place if people knew freshman statistics and probability through freshman college.

— Dr. Peter Attia

Blood flow restriction training and lactatePrefrontal cortex rulesets and the insula-amygdala circuitVision, smell, and animal sensesMindset effects on physiologyCreativity, stress, and delightHuberman's youth, therapy, and scientific careerScientific literacy and communicating science

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