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250 ‒ Training principles for longevity | Andy Galpin, Ph.D. (PART II)

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: http://bit.ly/43ev184 Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Andy Galpin is a Professor of Kinesiology at California State University at Fullerton, where he studies muscle adaptation and applies his research to work with professional athletes. In this episode, Andy returns to the podcast and continues the conversation about training for longevity. He examines the training practices of powerlifters, Olympic weightlifters, Strongmen/women, CrossFit athletes, and sprinters in order to extract insights that can be applied to the individual wanting to optimize for longevity. Andy goes into detail about exercise load and repetition, training volume, the importance of learning proper movement patterns, the advantage of working to technical failure instead of the number of reps, and much more. Andy ties the discussion together by providing a hypothetical training plan for an individual wanting to optimize for longevity and offers advice for avoiding injury. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:08 - Review of the function and organization of skeletal muscle 0:07:00 - Review of muscle fiber types 0:18:20 - Hypertrophy: changes in muscle fibers and the underlying mechanisms that make a muscle grow 0:30:42 - Defining sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and how it relates to the number of reps in a set 0:33:38 - Training for maximum strength: what we can learn from powerlifters and a hypothetical training plan 0:47:29 - Ideal reps, volume, and load for the powerlifter 1:01:40 - What should powerlifters do on their off days? 1:07:07 - Are there consequences of powerlifting on long-term health? 1:11:00 - Defining Olympic weightlifting: a test of power 1:15:00 - Training principles of Olympic weightlifting 1:25:48 - Tracking power output when training 1:31:38 - Frequency of training for Olympic weightlifting 1:34:49 - How post-activation potentiation (and the opposite) can improve power training and speed training 1:43:28 - The Strongman competition: more breadth of movement, strength, and stamina 1:48:48 - Training principles of Strongmen and advice for someone new to the Strongman competition 2:05:20 - CrossFit: a combination of weightlifting movements, endurance, and circuit training 2:15:20 - Learning from elite athletes, heart rate recovery, V02 max, and other metrics 2:29:20 - Optimizing towards being a well-rounded athlete as opposed to a specialist 2:38:44 - What we can learn from the sprinters about speed, acceleration, peak velocity, and technique 2:46:30 - A training plan for the “centenarian athlete” 2:56:47 - Debunking some training and exercise myths 2:59:27 - The “do nots” of training and tips for avoiding injury -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 60 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies.

Peter AttiahostAndy Galpinguest
Apr 10, 20233h 10mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:02 – 7:28

    Muscle Structure and Function Refresher

    Peter Attia frames the episode as a follow-up to part one, and Andy Galpin reviews what skeletal muscle is. He covers how muscles connect to bone via tendons, their roles beyond movement, and the structure of a muscle fiber including myonuclei, mitochondria, actin and myosin.

    • •Muscles pull on tendons that pull bone; some are built for non-fatiguing posture, others for power
    • •Muscle pumps fluid, stores amino acids, regulates blood glucose, and acts as an endocrine organ via myokines
    • •A muscle is a bundle of long cylindrical fibers surrounded by capillaries
    • •Many myonuclei give skeletal muscle its adaptability
    • •Actin and myosin are the contractile units
  2. 7:28 – 18:20

    Muscle Fiber Types and How Modifiable They Are

    Galpin walks through the history of distinguishing fibers by color, contraction speed, and enzymes, and explains type 1, 2a and 2x in humans. Using the soleus and gastrocnemius as examples, he says fiber type is highly trainable through transitions of existing fibers, including hybrids, rather than new cell growth.

    • •Fibers were classified by color, then twitch speed, then enzymatic properties
    • •Humans have type 1, 2a and 2x; 2b is found in other mammals
    • •Gastrocnemius can be 60-80% fast fibers; soleus up to about 90% slow
    • •Fiber type is very trainable; roughly 10-15% shift in eight weeks for an untrained person
    • •Hyperplasia is uncommon; fibers transition and can be hybrids
  3. 18:20 – 33:38

    Hypertrophy: Fiber Size, Contractile vs. Sarcoplasmic Growth

    Attia asks how a bodybuilder's muscle cells differ from his own, and Galpin discusses fiber size and the effects of training and exogenous testosterone. He then explains contractile hypertrophy via lattice spacing and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which bodybuilders had long proposed before research supported it.

    • •Endurance training can produce large slow-twitch fibers; strength-trained fibers look similar across lifting styles
    • •Exogenous testosterone changes satellite cells and fiber size, and can produce enormous fibers
    • •Contractile hypertrophy adds protein to myofilaments, requiring lattice spacing to expand
    • •Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is largely fluid and non-contractile
    • •Hypertrophy is similar from five to 30 reps if sets are taken close to failure
  4. 33:38 – 42:17

    The Athlete Matrix and the Powerlifter's Strength

    Attia lays out a matrix of athlete types versus training variables, with the aim of eventually drawing lessons for the 'centenarian decathlete.' Starting with powerlifting, Galpin clarifies that it tests maximal strength rather than power and gives examples of extreme lifts.

    • •Matrix covers frequency, intensity, volume, rest, and skill across athlete types
    • •Attia's end goal is training for the 90-year-old version of himself
    • •Powerlifting scores only the one-rep max in squat, bench and deadlift
    • •Power is force times speed, so powerlifting is a pure strength test
    • •Examples include a 119-pound lifter deadlifting 525 and squats above 1,200 pounds with gear
  5. 42:17 – 1:02:22

    Powerlifter Training: Frequency, Specificity and the 3-to-5 Rule

    Galpin distinguishes theoretically optimal from practical training for a moderately experienced person. He covers specificity, one to five weekly sessions per movement, conjugate-style rotation, accessory work, and the 3-to-5 rule for days, exercises, sets, reps and rest. He also discusses RPE, reps in reserve, and estimating a one-rep max.

    • •Specificity is the guiding principle, tempered by injury risk
    • •Realistic frequency is about one to five days per week, with two per lift effective
    • •Stick mostly to the main lift near competition, adding variation in the off season
    • •3-to-5: days, exercises, sets, reps and minutes rest, with heavy loading
    • •Rep-max calculators are most accurate between three and eight reps; RPE and RIR fail in untrained people
  6. 1:02:22 – 1:10:59

    Off Days and Long-Term Health Risks for Powerlifters

    Attia asks what powerlifters should do on off days, and Galpin says rest, low-intensity movement and recovery work, because extra work adds systemic fatigue. They then discuss why absolute loads don't scale and whether heavy powerlifting harms long-term health, where Galpin says there is no real data.

    • •Cardio won't make a powerlifter stronger beyond a baseline of fitness
    • •Off days should be rest, mobility or zone two or lower movement
    • •Absolute load on connective tissue doesn't scale with relative percentage
    • •Long-term health data is anecdotal, with examples on both sides
    • •Extremity in any sport, not the sport itself, is the issue
  7. 1:10:59 – 1:25:49

    Olympic Weightlifting: Power, Technique and Peak Power Loads

    Galpin explains the snatch and clean and jerk as tests of power and why the snatch produces the most power of any studied exercise. For a newcomer, technique is the limiter, so strength is built with other lifts. He explains how the load at peak power varies by exercise and shares some elite numbers.

    • •The snatch and clean and jerk require speed, making weightlifters among the most powerful athletes
    • •Technique limits beginners, so strength comes from front squats, presses, kettlebell swings, RDLs
    • •Peak power occurs at roughly 30-40% of 1RM for bench, 40-50% for squats and 80-90% for snatch
    • •Elite lifters in lower weight classes approach triple body weight in the clean and jerk
    • •Total-body demands include balance, proprioception, and eccentric deceleration
  8. 1:25:49 – 1:34:49

    Velocity-Based Training, Cluster Sets and Power Frequency

    Attia and Galpin discuss training for power using watts or bar velocity, including Galpin's own experience maximizing wattage on a Keiser machine. Galpin explains cluster sets with micro-breaks, says power work must be non-fatiguing, and notes it can be done almost daily by most athletes.

    • •Velocity-based training aims for the highest power output instead of fixed reps
    • •Cluster sets use five- to 20-second rests to keep every rep high quality
    • •Power and skill work must be non-fatiguing, so sessions feel boring
    • •Power training can be done very frequently
    • •Most sports benefit, though some athletes with shoulder or trauma risks may skip it
  9. 1:34:49 – 1:43:27

    Post-Activation Potentiation and Overspeed Training

    Prompted by Attia's deadlift-plus-plyometric pairing, Galpin explains post-activation potentiation using the size principle and motor units. He also describes the reverse approach of overspeed training and how complexes should be structured.

    • •Heavy lifts recruit high-threshold motor units that stay primed for a following jump
    • •Overspeed methods like downhill sprints, assisted jumps and a light wiffle bat can also improve speed
    • •A weighted bat donut and an unloaded bat both raised swing velocity in research Galpin cites
    • •Complexes should keep total reps per set around three to five
    • •There is a timing window; potentiation fades after an hour or more
  10. 1:43:27 – 2:05:20

    Strongman Training, Technical Failure and Tracking Readiness

    The conversation turns to strongman events and how they differ from powerlifting. Galpin advises a newcomer to vary movement patterns, use five to eight reps to technical failure, and keep volume increases under 10% per week. They then discuss how to track training stress without a power metric and how to use physiological and subjective measures such as HRV and 'how do you feel?'

    • •Strongman tests many heavy events to fatigue, with safer movements than max lifts
    • •Newcomers should vary patterns and train to technical failure, not true failure
    • •There is little science on strongman volume; keep weekly progression under 10%
    • •Physiological markers like HRV and willingness to train guide readiness
    • •Autoregulation using velocity data can tell you when to bail on a day
  11. 2:05:20 – 2:18:30

    CrossFit and Putting Elite Athletes in Perspective

    Galpin describes CrossFit as competitive circuit training that mixes lifting, endurance and gymnastics with lower loads but higher volume than strongman. He and Attia stress that elite athletes in specialist sports still outperform generalists in their domain, with cycling and marathon examples. They discuss heart rate recovery benchmarks and VO2 max testing.

    • •CrossFit combines weightlifting, endurance and circuit events, with lower absolute loads than strongman
    • •CrossFitters are phenomenal generalists but don't match specialists in VO2 max or lifting
    • •Cyclists' power outputs and marathoners' speed show how far world-class athletes are from average people
    • •Heart rate recovery: below about 160 of 200 at two minutes is minimum; around 120 is good
    • •Max heart rate is a poor performance predictor; Galpin cites 80- and 90-year-old skiers with strong fitness
  12. 2:18:30 – 2:38:42

    The 70-20-10 Model and Allostatic Load

    For a well-rounded person with a job, Galpin describes Kenny Kane's 70-20-10 model of practice, competition and all-out sessions. Attia contrasts his teenage training life with the stress of life now, and Galpin explains allostatic load, including visible and hidden stressors and a simple scoring method.

    • •70% of sessions are practice, 20% compete for score, 10% go all-out
    • •Too much high intensity with life stress keeps people in sympathetic drive
    • •Allostatic load combines all stressors, visible and hidden
    • •A simple score covers sleep, mental stress, eating and overall recovery
    • •Stress is needed for adaptation, but the stress bucket can overfill
  13. 2:38:42 – 2:46:30

    Sprinters: Speed, Acceleration and Systemic Fatigue

    Galpin quickly covers track sprinters, separating acceleration from peak velocity and noting that speed, not force, is the driver. Speed and power training are nearly identical, low in fatigue and high in quality. He contrasts localized fatigue with CrossFit's systemic fatigue and explains neural synchronization.

    • •Sprinting involves acceleration, peak velocity, and for field sports, agility
    • •Acceleration uses light resistance of about 30% or less; peak velocity uses normal or overspeed work
    • •Speed work is low volume, high quality, and can be done frequently
    • •CrossFit-style training carries the most systemic fatigue
    • •Rhythm and neural sequencing matter, and peak-speed sessions require high recovery
  14. 2:46:30 – 2:59:27

    Training Plan for the Centenarian Athlete

    Attia describes the goal of staying robust into the last decade of life, emphasizing never stopping training and avoiding injury. Galpin builds the plan around muscle, nervous system and cardiopulmonary health: uncontrolled movement, high force, sustained and max heart-rate work, and strength, size and muscular endurance. He ends by explaining that getting winded on stairs reflects weakness.

    • •Attia's rule: avoid injuries that sideline you, since training gains compound and are lost faster than gained
    • •Include one activity requiring reaction to the environment for brain health
    • •Include high-force work above 80% of max, plus sustained 30-plus minute efforts and max heart rate once or twice weekly
    • •Muscle needs adequate strength, size and endurance; ALMI and FFMI are discussed as measures
    • •Being out of breath on stairs often means low strength relative to body weight
  15. 2:59:27 – 3:10:01

    Avoiding Injury: Movement Progression and Tissue Tolerance

    Attia asks what not to do so training isn't interrupted. Galpin says injuries come mainly from joints and connective tissue over poor movement patterns, and he lays out a progression from assisted to bodyweight, eccentric, unilateral, loaded, fast and fatigued movement. They discuss Achilles tears, tissue tolerance, jump warmups and why Galpin now favors a little running.

    • •Injuries are rarely muscle problems; joints and connective tissue are the issue
    • •Progress from assisted to bodyweight, eccentric, unilateral, loaded, fast, then fatigued
    • •Adding volume on top of dysfunctional movement leads to problems
    • •Achilles tears reflect sudden maximal loads on under-exposed tissue
    • •A few miles of running and some sprinting help maintain tissue tolerance

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