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263 ‒ Concussions and head trauma: symptoms, treatment, and recovery | Micky Collins, Ph.D.

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/3OnrKxW Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Michael “Micky” Collins is an internationally renowned expert in sports-related concussions and a consultant for multiple professional sports organizations. In this episode, Mickey first explains the definition and diagnosis of a concussion, as well as the diverse signs and symptoms associated with different types of concussions. He discusses the risk factors that contribute to increased susceptibility and/or severity of concussions in certain individuals, emphasizes the significance of prompt treatment, and uses case studies to illustrate the latest in treatment protocols and recovery process. Additionally, Mickey provides insight into the evolving field of concussion treatments, including the exploration of hyperbaric oxygen and synthetic ketones. He gives advice to parents of kids who play sports and discusses the promising prospects in the realm of concussion management. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:15 - Micky’s interest in concussion and how he started the first concussion clinic 0:08:28 - Concussion: definition, pathophysiology, and risk factors making someone more susceptible 0:20:16 - Symptoms of concussion, predictors of severity, and the importance of early and effective treatment 0:26:55 - The six types of concussion, the effectiveness of treatment, and factors that impact recovery 0:31:51 - The importance of seeing a specialist and the prognosis for recovery 0:34:33 - Case study of a racecar driver who suffered a vestibular concussion 0:46:23 - Why vestibular concussions are particularly problematic 0:49:51 - A treatment plan for the racecar driver, possible use of medications, and how to address the root cause 0:56:43 - Exploring alternative treatments: hyperbaric oxygen, synthetic ketones, and more 1:02:47 - The natural history of a concussion if untreated and the effect, if any, of concussion on subsequent risk of brain disease 1:07:57 - Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) 1:11:21 - Advice for parents of kids who play sports: when and where to seek treatment for a possible concussion 1:17:42 - Is there any evidence that the APOE4 genotype increases susceptibility to concussion or TBI? 1:18:40 - The increased risk of concussions in older adults and a case study of a 90-year-old patient who suffered a head injury in a fall 1:23:36 - Funding for concussion research and fellowship programs to train concussion specialists -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 60 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Jul 24, 20231h 29mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Micky Collins: Concussions Are Treatable With Targeted Active Therapy, Not Rest

  1. Collins describes concussion as a cellular energy crisis, with potassium leaking out and calcium flowing in, causing a supply-demand mismatch without structural damage or cell death, and says there is no biomarker or imaging that can diagnose it.
  2. He says concussion has six overlapping types (cognitive fatigue, vestibular, ocular, migraine, anxiety, and neck), and that matching treatment to the type is the key to recovery.
  3. Collins argues against rest and for active, exposure-based treatment: vestibular and ocular retraining, aggressive exertion, regulated sleep, and exposure to busy environments, with medications used only if behavioral treatment falls short.
  4. He reports that early specialist care, ideally within seven days, best predicts recovery, that playing through symptoms adds substantial recovery time, and that even chronic cases from years earlier can usually be treated.
  5. The conversation also covers hyperbaric oxygen and ketones, CTE and dementia risk, APOE4, concussions in older adults, and the need for more concussion specialists and fellowship programs.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Concussion is a functional energy problem, not structural damage

Collins says stretched neuronal membranes cause potassium efflux and calcium influx, creating a mismatch between energy demand and supply, with no cell death and nothing visible on MRI, PET, EEG, or blood tests.

Dizziness and fogginess predict worse outcomes better than loss of consciousness

Collins says on-field dizziness is six times more predictive of a month or longer recovery than any other symptom, with fogginess second, whereas loss of consciousness is not the best predictor.

Playing through symptoms lengthens recovery substantially

In the retrospective study Collins describes, kids removed immediately recovered in about 18 days versus 44 days for those who played 15 more minutes, and a follow-up found roughly seven to eight extra days per minute.

Treatment is active and targeted, not rest

Collins says rest makes things worse; he prescribes vestibular and ocular retraining, aggressive exercise, regular sleep, and exposure to busy environments matched to each patient's concussion type.

Pre-existing vulnerabilities shape who gets concussed and how

Collins says histories of car sickness, migraine, lazy eye, or anxiety mean less force causes injury and steer patients down the corresponding pathway, and that girls are more vulnerable.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Rather, Peter, and this is important, concussion fights dirty. Like, whatever you bring to the table that's weak seems to be affected more

— Micky Collins

too much awareness without a solution is called hysteria, and we see that happen with this injury.

— Micky Collins

So for every minute you try to play through your injury, you add on, like, seven or eight days of recovery.

— Micky Collins

You're exactly right, and you're absolutely wrong in how we approach this injury.

— Micky Collins

So just because you're a neurologist doesn't mean you know concussion. Just because you're a neurosurgeon doesn't mean you know concussion.

— Micky Collins

Concussion pathophysiology as an energy crisisSix concussion typesEarly symptoms that predict recoveryActive rehabilitation versus restRacecar driver vestibular case studyHyperbaric oxygen and ketonesCTE and long-term brain disease risk

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