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Peter Attia MDPeter Attia MD

269 - Good vs. bad science: how to read and understand scientific studies

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/47VnNbz Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ This special episode is a rebroadcast of AMA #30, now made available to everyone, in which Peter and Bob Kaplan dive deep into all things related to studying studies to help one sift through the noise to find the signal. They define various types of studies, how a study progresses from idea to execution, and how to identify study strengths and limitations. They explain how clinical trials work, as well as biases and common pitfalls to watch out for. They dig into key factors that contribute to the rigor (or lack thereof) of an experiment, and they discuss how to measure effect size, differentiate relative risk from absolute risk, and what it really means when a study is statistically significant. Finally, Peter lays out his personal process when reading through scientific papers. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:18 - The ever-changing landscape of scientific literature 0:03:19 - The process for a study to progress from idea to design to execution 0:06:39 - Various types of studies and how they differ 0:19:14 - The different phases of clinical trials 0:28:32 - Observational studies and the potential for bias 0:49:27 - Experimental studies: randomization, blinding, and other factors that make or break a study 1:03:49 - Power, p-values, and statistical significance 1:16:21 - Measuring effect size: relative risk vs. absolute risk, hazard ratios, and “number needed to treat” 1:26:39 - How to interpret confidence intervals 1:34:15 - Why a study might be stopped before its completion 1:43:01 - Why only a fraction of studies are ever published and how to combat publication bias 1:53:45 - Why certain journals are more respected than others 1:57:54 - Peter’s process when reading a scientific paper -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Sep 4, 20232h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:02 – 6:39

    Why a primer on reading studies, and how a study goes from idea to execution

    Peter Attia and Bob Kaplan explain why they're doing a Q&A on making sense of scientific literature amid conflicting headlines. Peter then walks through the steps before a study runs: null and alternative hypotheses, experimental design, power analysis, IRB approval, outcomes, statistics plan, pre-registration and funding.

    • •Prompted by Tim Ferriss asking how to get better at reading research
    • •Good science is hypothesis driven, framed as a null versus an alternative hypothesis
    • •Design choices include duration, frequency, measurement and subject numbers
    • •IRB approval, primary and secondary outcomes, and pre-registration happen before the study
    • •Not every study type follows all of these steps
  2. 6:39 – 20:29

    Types of studies: case reports, cohorts, experiments and meta-analyses

    Peter lays out three categories of studies: observational, experimental, and reviews or analyses. He covers case reports, case series, retrospective and prospective cohorts, non-randomized versus randomized trials, and why a meta-analysis is not automatically better than a good randomized trial.

    • •Case reports and series generate hypotheses but are not generalizable
    • •Cohort studies can be retrospective or prospective, and observational
    • •Non-randomized trials introduce selection bias; randomization is the gold standard
    • •Meta-analyses weight studies by precision, but garbage in means garbage out
    • •Each study within a meta-analysis still needs to be examined
  3. 20:29 – 28:32

    The phases of clinical trials (phase 1 through 4)

    Peter explains the FDA-style phases of human drug testing, starting with the IND filing. Phase 1 tests safety and dose escalation, phase 2 looks at early efficacy, phase 3 is large and randomized, and phase 4 is post-marketing, with semaglutide as an example.

    • •IND application follows preclinical animal work
    • •Phase 1 is small dose-escalation for toxicity
    • •Phase 2 is typically open label and can be biased without randomization
    • •Phase 3 is large, randomized, and blinded when possible
    • •Phase 4 expands indications and detects missed side effects
  4. 28:32 – 38:23

    Observational studies: healthy user bias, recall bias and food questionnaires

    Peter and Bob discuss what lowers confidence in observational research. They cover selection and healthy user bias with bacon and diet soda examples, and the unreliability of food frequency questionnaires, with Peter arguing they should be abandoned.

    • •Healthy user bias distorts associations such as meat consumption and diet soda
    • •Controlling statistically cannot strip out all lifestyle differences
    • •Food frequency questionnaires rely on poor recall and often a single baseline survey
    • •Recall is more reasonable for profound events, but causality still can't be inferred
    • •Peter thinks epidemiology's role has been overvalued
  5. 38:23 – 49:27

    Performance bias, primary vs. secondary outcomes, multiple testing and confounding

    The conversation turns to biases that affect trials: the Hawthorne and Avis effects and the subtle performance bias in lifestyle RCTs, such as the potato diet example. Peter then covers primary versus secondary outcomes, multiple hypothesis testing with the Bonferroni correction, and confounding.

    • •Hawthorne effect and Avis effect change behavior in participants
    • •Unequal attention between arms can produce a biased RCT result
    • •Primary outcomes are what a study is powered for; failing it makes a study null
    • •Multiple looks at data raise false positives, which the Bonferroni correction addresses
    • •Confounders can't all be identified, as the hot chocolate and skiing example illustrates
  6. 49:27 – 59:39

    What to look for in experiments: randomization, PREDIMED, crossover and blinding

    Peter and Bob discuss what boosts or lowers confidence in experimental studies. They use the PREDIMED reanalysis to show randomization problems and cluster randomization, then cover control groups, crossover designs, and blinding.

    • •PREDIMED was reanalyzed after some clinics were randomized as whole units
    • •Cluster randomization requires different statistical adjustment
    • •Crossover designs need fewer subjects but must account for washout and order effects
    • •Single and double blinding reduce bias, though psychedelics are hard to blind
    • •Every study will have some mistakes
  7. 59:39 – 1:03:41

    Generalizability, effect size, funding and conflicts of interest

    Peter lists further factors: sample size, duration, who is in the study (including the historical exclusion of women), multi-site versus single-site, clinical versus statistical significance, adverse events, funding and authors' conflicts of interest.

    • •Heterogeneous populations are more generalizable but harder to show effects in
    • •Many drugs were approved for women after being studied only in men
    • •Multi-site studies add heterogeneity but are harder to control
    • •A one mmHg blood pressure drop may be statistically but not clinically significant
    • •Funding sources and declared conflicts of interest matter
  8. 1:03:41 – 1:16:20

    Power, p-values and statistical significance

    Peter explains power as one minus the false negative rate, and the p-value as the false positive threshold. Using a sample size table, he shows how effect size drives needed subjects, and why both underpowered and overpowered studies mislead. Bob adds tips for finding power details in protocols.

    • •P-value of 0.05 is an arbitrary ceiling on false positives
    • •Power is typically 80-90%, meaning a 10-20% false negative rate
    • •Smaller expected effects require far more subjects per arm
    • •Underpowered null studies don't show there is no difference
    • •Overpowered studies can find clinically irrelevant effects
  9. 1:16:20 – 1:27:02

    Effect size: relative vs. absolute risk, hazard ratios and number needed to treat

    Bob asks how effect sizes are measured. Peter explains absolute versus relative risk reduction with the Women's Health Initiative example, how to read hazard ratios, and how number needed to treat is derived from absolute risk reduction.

    • •Relative risk is misleading without absolute risk
    • •Women's Health Initiative: a 25% relative increase equaled one extra case per 1,000 women
    • •Hazard ratios capture risk over time; subtract one and multiply by 100 for percent change
    • •NNT equals one divided by the absolute risk reduction
    • •Sub-100 NNTs are impressive, while an NNT of 1,000 is less so
  10. 1:27:02 – 1:34:15

    Interpreting confidence intervals and the takeaway on reading science

    Bob explains confidence intervals and the common misreading of them, and Peter offers the quick check of whether the interval crosses one. They discuss framing them as uncertainty intervals, and Peter closes the section by saying that following science requires effort and practice.

    • •A 95% CI corresponds to a 0.05 p-value threshold
    • •Correct meaning: across 100 samples, about 95 intervals would contain the true value
    • •If the interval crosses one, the result is not significant
    • •Wide intervals mean greater uncertainty, a framing Andrew Gelman uses
    • •Reading papers gets easier with practice, and media reports may lack proper analysis
  11. 1:34:15 – 1:43:02

    Why studies are stopped early: safety, benefit and futility

    Peter outlines three reasons for stopping a trial early: safety, benefit and futility. Examples include the torcetrapib CTEP inhibitor trial stopped for excess deaths, PREDIMED for benefit, and Look AHEAD for futility.

    • •Safety breaches stop trials, as in torcetrapib with Lipitor where deaths were higher in the combination arm
    • •Benefit stops trials when continuing would be unethical, as in PREDIMED
    • •Futility means nothing later can change the result, as in Look AHEAD
    • •Monitoring boards use pre-specified p-value thresholds for interim looks
    • •Different drugs in a class can behave differently
  12. 1:43:02 – 1:46:55

    The journal review process and peer review

    Bob asks about the review process once a study is done. Peter describes submission, editor screening, peer review by invited experts, conflicts of interest, blinding options, and revision rounds, as authors work down from prestigious journals.

    • •Editors screen for fit and originality before peer review
    • •Reviewers are chosen for expertise, and conflicts may require declining
    • •Peer review can be single blinded, double blinded or open
    • •Typically about three reviewers accept, reject or request revisions
    • •Authors typically start at the most prestigious journal and work down
  13. 1:46:55 – 1:53:45

    Publication bias and how to combat it

    Peter discusses publication bias using the Minnesota study that went unpublished for 16 years. Pre-registration, funder and journal requirements, and registered reports are discussed as remedies.

    • •Negative results are often unpublished though they are just as important
    • •Minnesota study was published 16 years late because the lead author said it didn't turn out as wanted
    • •Pre-registration on clinicaltrials.gov locks in methods and outcomes
    • •Registered reports provisionally accept a paper based on its protocol
    • •Early peer review of protocols can catch underpowered designs
  14. 1:53:45 – 1:57:57

    Why some journals are more respected: impact factor

    Peter explains impact factor as citations divided by articles published, and shows how most journals have low values. Looking at a table, he notes NEJM, The Lancet and JAMA as key clinical journals and flags outliers with high impact factors from few articles.

    • •Impact factor is total citations over number of articles published
    • •Most journals have an impact factor below five, and half below two
    • •NEJM's impact factor is about 74.7, and The Lancet's about 60
    • •CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians is an outlier because it publishes cancer statistics
    • •NEJM, Lancet and JAMA are the major clinical journals
  15. 1:57:57 – 2:02:02

    Peter's process for reading a scientific paper

    Peter describes how he reads a paper: abstract first, introduction only if unfamiliar, then methods, figures with legends, results and finally discussion. He adds the figures-first approach to writing papers he learned from Steve Rosenberg.

    • •The abstract is his go or no-go filter
    • •He skips the introduction when familiar with the topic and reads methods in detail
    • •He looks at figures and legends before the results text
    • •The discussion comes last, after forming his own view
    • •In Rosenberg's lab, figures and legends came first and the intro and abstract last

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