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273 ‒ Prostate health: common problems, cancer prevention, screening, treatment, and more

Watch the full episode & view show notes here: https://bit.ly/3PDL8Ge Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Ted Schaeffer is an internationally recognized urologist who specializes in prostate cancer. Ted delves deep into the realm of prostate health, starting with strategies for vigilance & effective management of the issues that can arise with aging, including urinary symptoms, prostatitis, pelvic pain, & prostate inflammation. Ted sheds light on the popular drug finasteride, renowned for its dual purpose in prostate shrinkage & hair loss prevention, as well as the contentious topic of post-finasteride syndrome. Ted then shifts to the topic of cancer, explaining how androgens, genetics, & non-genetic factors contribute to the pathogenesis of prostate cancer. He provides valuable insights into cancer screening, examining blood-based screening tools like PSA & the use of MRI in facilitating biopsies & their interpretation. Finally, he explores the various treatment options for prostate cancer, including surgical interventions, androgen deprivation therapy, & more. We discuss: 0:00:00-Intro 0:00:45-Changes to the prostate with age & problems that can develop 0:05:56-Behavioral modifications to help manage nocturnal urinary frequency & lower urinary tract symptoms 0:15:08-Pharmacologic tools for treating nocturnal urinary frequency & lower urinary tract symptoms 0:26:41-Surgical tools for treating symptoms of the lower urinary tract 0:33:24-HoLEP surgery for reducing prostate size 0:42:06-Prostate size: correlation with cancer & considerations for small prostates with persistent symptoms 0:49:09-Prostatitis due to infection 1:02:28-Prostatitis caused by factors besides infection 1:09:33-How to minimize risk of urosepsis in Alzheimer’s patients 1:15:00-Prostate cancer: 5-alpha reductase inhibitors & how androgens factor into pathogenesis 1:24:10-Post-finasteride syndrome 1:33:33-The relationship between testosterone & DHT & the development of prostate cancer over a man's lifetime 1:43:21-Genetic analysis of tumors can indicate the aggressiveness of cancer 1:46:10-Genetic risk factors of prostate cancer & the use of PSA to screen for cancer 1:54:53-Non-genetic risk factors for prostate cancer 2:07:16-PSA as a screening tool: what is PSA, definition of terms, & how to interpret results 2:25:59-MRI as a screening tool & the prostate biopsy options 2:37:24-Ted’s randomized trial comparing different methods of prostate biopsy 2:40:45-When a biopsy is necessary, interpreting results, explaining Gleason score, & more 3:03:01-Implications of a Gleason score of 7 or higher 3:10:30-Metastasis of prostate cancer to different body locations, treatment options, staging, & considerations for patients' quality of life & survival 3:28:51-How prostate cancer surgery has improved 3:42:03-Questions to ask your neurologist if you are considering prostatectomy for cancer -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, & all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, & much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan & simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only & does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information & the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, & they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures & the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date & active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered & unregistered trademarks, trade names, & service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Oct 2, 20233h 46mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Urologist Ted Schaeffer Covers Prostate Problems From Urinary Symptoms to Cancer Care

  1. Schaeffer describes a stepwise approach to lower urinary tract symptoms, starting with behavioral changes, then alpha blockers, and then surgery such as HoLEP for lasting relief.
  2. Chronic pelvic pain and prostatitis are often not bacterial, and Schaeffer favors pelvic floor myofascial release and short-course anti-inflammatories over long antibiotic courses.
  3. Finasteride and dutasteride are portrayed as problematic because of post-finasteride syndrome and because they roughly halve PSA, which can mask aggressive cancer.
  4. Attia and Schaeffer argue that baseline and regular PSA testing, advanced PSA markers, PSA density, and a pre-biopsy MRI make prostate cancer screening far more precise than critics claim.
  5. Treatment now depends on Gleason pattern, pattern-four volume, and tumor genomics, so low-risk cancers go on active surveillance while higher-grade disease gets staging, surgery, radiation, or hormonal therapy, with fascia-sparing prostatectomy improving continence.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Behavioral and non-drug measures can meaningfully reduce nighttime urination.

Schaeffer says adjusting when and what you drink, wearing TED stockings if there is edema, and treating sleep apnea can cut nocturnal trips by about one, and Attia adds that alcohol worsens it.

HoLEP removes the whole inner adenoma and offers durable relief.

Using an orange analogy, Schaeffer contrasts scraping out pulp piecemeal with TURP against enucleating it in one piece along the natural plane, which bleeds less and often allows same-day discharge without a catheter.

Many chronic pelvic pain cases are not bacterial infections.

Schaeffer says a four-glass test can localize true infection, but many men instead have muscle tightness or inflammation, which respond to myofascial release, naproxen, and sometimes mast cell-targeted therapy in his father's trial.

5-alpha reductase inhibitors carry risks that Schaeffer does not recommend accepting.

He estimates about one in ten men have appreciable post-finasteride syndrome, and the drugs lower PSA by about half or more, so a rising PSA on them is a warning sign that is often missed.

A pre-biopsy MRI plus advanced PSA testing sharply improves screening.

Schaeffer cites a trial in which this pathway cut biopsies by 50% while improving detection of clinically significant cancer by 11%, and he advises a baseline PSA at 45 and tracking PSA density.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

So a normal prostate's a golf ball. An orange would be 100 grams. A big grapefruit's 400 grams.

— Ted Schaeffer

If your PSA rises on finasteride, you have a problem. That is a warning sign that there is a cancer, and likely an aggressive cancer, growing in your prostate.

— Ted Schaeffer

I think that there's a correlation between T and A being a healthy male, and part of being a healthy male is a potential risk for developing prostate cancer.

— Ted Schaeffer

I sure as hell see, with the existing technology, a reason for people not to be dying of colorectal cancer and men not to be dying of prostate cancer.

— Peter Attia

So a Gleason 7, as you said, again, the Gleason score is a Gleason sum, and it tells how much pattern three and how much pattern four do you have. So it is a blended scotch, not a single malt or whatever they call it, okay? And the blend is what matters the most.

— Ted Schaeffer

Lower urinary tract symptoms and nocturiaAlpha blockers and HoLEP surgeryProstatitis and chronic pelvic painPost-finasteride syndrome and PSA maskingPSA, MRI, and transperineal biopsyGleason scoring and active surveillanceTumor genomics and androgen biology

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