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276 ‒ Special episode: Peter on longevity, supplements, protein, fasting, apoB, statins, & more

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/491o7WL Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ In this special episode of The Drive, Peter discusses a variety of topics, breaking away from the typical deep-dive format to explore a wide range of common questions submitted by listeners. Peter tackles subjects like the viability of living to 120 and beyond, addressing some of the optimistic theories regarding achievement of this remarkable feat. Peter then shares his drug and supplement regimen while emphasizing how individualized these protocols need to be. The conversation also touches on lowering apoB, the long-term use of statins, the myth of good vs. bad cholesterol, the complexities of nutrition research, the quest for the ideal diet, and Peter's strategies for hitting daily protein goals. Peter finishes with a discussion about his favorite health-tracking wearables, the role of CGM in non-diabetics, and more. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:55 - Overview of topics and previous episodes of a similar format 0:03:00 - The viability of living to 120 and beyond: some optimistic theories 0:13:21 - The potential of mTOR inhibition as a mid-life intervention, and longevity potential for the next generation 0:17:00 - A framework for thinking about geroprotective drugs and supplements in the context of a lack of aging biomarkers 0:27:10 - Supplements Peter takes and how his regimen has changed in the last year 0:39:41 - Pharmacologic strategies to lower ASCVD risk, the limitations of statins, nutritional interventions, and more 0:53:10 - Misnomers about cholesterol 1:07:07 - Why nutritional research is so challenging, some general principles of nutrition, and why Peter stopped doing prolonged fasts 1:06:17 - Optimizing protein intake 1:11:46 - Wearables for sleep and exercise, continuous glucose monitors (CGM), and a continuous blood pressure monitor on the horizon -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Oct 23, 20231h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Peter Attia answers listener questions on longevity, supplements, lipids, nutrition, and wearables

  1. Attia says he sees no evidence that aging can currently be reversed, so he is skeptical of living to 120 or beyond and argues people should use today's prevention tools and focus on compressing late-life frailty.
  2. He explains that geroprotective interventions are hard to evaluate because there are no aging biomarkers, and he uses a risk/reward matrix (gold coin or penny, train or tricycle) to judge supplements and drugs.
  3. He details his current supplement stack and lipid-lowering drugs (Repatha and Nexlizet), targeting an apoB of 30 to 40 mg/dL, and explains why he favors low-dose statins when they are used.
  4. On nutrition, he stresses energy balance and sustainability over diet tribes, rejects the 'good vs. bad cholesterol' framing, supports high protein before age 50, and explains why he stopped prolonged fasts.
  5. He describes the wearables he uses and favors, including Morpheus for zone 2 training, CGMs for patients, and the Aktiia cuffless blood pressure bracelet, which is sold in Europe but not yet FDA approved.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Aging reversal isn't on the near-term horizon

Attia says there's no evidence we can erase the diseases or underlying processes of aging, and that the gap between actual science and press or social media portrayals is enormous.

Focus on compressing late-life morbidity

Rather than chasing extreme lifespans, Attia wants people to stay physically and cognitively capable during their last decade, the 'marginal decade', which is what the centenarian decathlon is meant to train for.

Without a biomarker you can't tell if a geroprotective intervention works

Attia contrasts drugs like lisinopril, where blood pressure gives feedback, with geroprotection, where there's no way to know if you're taking too much or too little; his own long fasting regimen cost him about twenty pounds of muscle with no known benefit.

Use a risk/reward matrix for supplements

Attia places interventions on a grid of risk versus reward, such as a penny or gold coin in front of a tricycle or a train, and says he'll reevaluate any supplement when new data emerges.

ApoB can be driven very low with modern drugs

Attia says nutrition has a modest effect and pharmacology is far more potent; his baseline apoB would be 90 to 100 mg/dL, and he uses Repatha plus Nexlizet to reach a target of 30 to 40, and notes statins reach most of their effect at low doses.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I think it would motivate you to be more serious about using the tools that we have today for primary and secondary prevention of disease, for optimizing and maximizing, uh, lifespan and healthspan.

— Peter Attia

I think most people would rather live to ninety and, you know, die of a heart attack while swimming in the ocean, but being, you know, otherwise in remarkable shape than live to one twenty and spend the last thirty years of that unable to do much.

— Peter Attia

I always think people are majoring in the minor and minoring in the major on nutrition when they start to fight in dietary tribes on this stuff.

— Peter Attia

It's better to have a seven out of 10 diet in terms of quality and perfection that you can sustain indefinitely than a 10 out of 10 diet that you can only sustain for three or six months.

— Peter Attia

The same molecule of cholesterol inside the HDL is present inside the LDL.

— Peter Attia

Limits of longevity and the marginal decadeLack of aging biomarkersRisk/reward framework for supplementsAttia's supplement and drug regimenLowering apoB and statin useNutrition research challenges and protein intakeWearables, CGM, and blood pressure monitoring

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