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281 ‒ Longevity drugs, aging biomarkers, and updated findings from the Interventions Testing Program

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/3uOwTaU Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Richard Miller is a professor of pathology and the Director of the Center for Aging Research at the University of Michigan, as wells as a previous guest on The Drive. In this episode, Rich provides an update on the exciting work of the Interventions Testing Program (ITP), an initiative designed to assess potential life-extending interventions in mice. Rich covers the notable successes like rapamycin, 17⍺-estradiol, and acarbose as well as notable failures like nicotinamide riboside, metformin, and resveratrol, providing valuable lessons about the intricacies of the aging process. Rich delves deep into aging biomarkers and aging rate indicators, unraveling crucial insights into the science of geroprotective molecules. Additionally, Rich discusses some surprising successes of recent molecules tested by the ITP and concludes with an optimistic look at future frontiers, including bridging the gap from mice to humans. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:50 - An overview of the Interventions Testing Program (ITP) 0:08:51 - How the mice used by the ITP are superior for research relative to mouse models used in most research 0:17:11 - Design of ITP studies, outcomes tested, and metrics of interest 0:29:00 - The process and challenges of drug formulation for mice 0:36:11 - Four drugs identified by the ITP that extends the lifespan of mice 0:43:32 - The success of rapamycin and what it tells us about the biology of aging 0:51:49 - Other measures of healthspan evaluated by the ITP in stage 2 studies 0:59:18 - Distinguishing aging rate indicators from biomarkers of aging 1:01:16 - Aging rate indicators identified through the examination of slow-aging mice 1:15:36 - Why proteomics are essential to understand changes in the cell 1:25:30 - Unraveling aging rate indicators: dose-effect, duration, and future frontiers 1:31:54 - A closer look at aging rate indicators: bridging the gap from mice to humans 1:44:32 - What do laboratory mice die from? 1:48:09 - Distinguishing between a drug that improves an age-sensitive outcome and a drug that improves all aspects of aging 1:48:48 - The ITP study of 17⍺-estradiol: mechanisms of life extension and surprising sex differences 1:58:34 - Unsuccessful drugs studied by the ITP: resveratrol, metformin, and nicotinamide riboside 2:09:13 - Over-the-counter successes in the ITP: meclizine and astaxanthin 2:16:00 - A senolytic drug, fisetin, fails to extend lifespan 2:22:30 - Optimism about future findings -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Dec 4, 20232h 31mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Richard Miller Details ITP Mouse Findings, Aging Rate Indicators, and Failed Drugs

  1. Miller describes the ITP as a three-site, roughly $4.5 million per year NIA program that uses genetically heterogeneous UM-HET3 mice, pre-specified statistics, and drug-in-food dosing to screen candidate anti-aging drugs.
  2. Rapamycin, 17α-estradiol, acarbose and canagliflozin extend mouse lifespan even when started in middle age, with striking sex differences partly tied to drug blood levels, and rapamycin plus acarbose gave a 29% median lifespan increase in males.
  3. Miller proposes aging rate indicators as a 'speedometer' of aging, 13 changes seen in all slow-aging mice (including UCP1, GPLD1, irisin/FNDC5, BDNF, and fat macrophage shifts), and argues proteomics matter because mRNA explains only about 30% of age-related protein change.
  4. Resveratrol, metformin and nicotinamide riboside failed to extend mouse lifespan, and fisetin neither extended lifespan nor reduced senescent cell markers, while meclizine and astaxanthin are new over-the-counter hits in males.
  5. Miller hopes aging rate indicators can pre-screen drugs, be bridged to human plasma markers, and that cognition testing and tissue sharing will build the case that these drugs slow aging broadly.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Genetically heterogeneous mice give more trustworthy results than inbred strains

Miller says the standard B6 mouse is a single, inbred, often sick genotype, so a drug's effect there may not generalize; UM-HET3 mice provide reproducible heterogeneity and also allow gene mapping.

Lifespan-extending drugs can work even when started late

Rapamycin started at 20 months worked as well as when started young, and 17α-estradiol, acarbose and canagliflozin also worked from middle age, suggesting that some aging processes remain drug-sensitive late in life.

Sex-specific effects often trace back to drug exposure

Blood levels of rapamycin and canagliflozin were about threefold higher in female mice, which may explain differing responses, though Miller notes this is not proven; acarbose, mostly staying in the gut, is a different case.

Aging rate indicators measure speed of aging, not accumulated age

Miller uses a speedometer analogy: these markers change in the same direction in every slow-aging mouse, even in young adults, and could screen drugs far more cheaply than lifespan studies if they respond quickly.

Transcript data alone can mislead because protein levels are shaped post-transcriptionally

Churchill and Korstanje's work found only about 30% of age-related protein changes matched mRNA changes, and Miller points to cap-independent translation, degradation and sequestration as other controls.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you had a cure for cancer in people, no one over the age of 50 ever got cancer again, median lifespan of humans would go up by 3%.

— Richard Miller

Not only incomplete, but mostly wrong.

— Richard Miller

aging rate indicators by this analogy are the speedometer. They tell you how quickly you're aging and not how far you've gone.

— Richard Miller

It's like lemmings. You follow the lemming in front of you because that's just how lemmings do it. They don't look at a roadmap or think about the optimal path to take.

— Richard Miller

People are very easy to fool. It's easy to come up with eight or 10 things that people believe because they read them on the internet

— Richard Miller

Interventions Testing Program design and fundingGenetically heterogeneous UM-HET3 mice vs inbred B6 miceRapamycin, acarbose, canagliflozin and 17α-estradiol resultsSex differences in drug response and pharmacokineticsAging rate indicators vs biomarkers of agingmRNA-protein discordance and proteomicsFailed drugs: resveratrol, metformin, NR, fisetin

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