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294 ‒ Peak athletic performance: How to measure it and how to train for it

View show notes here: https://bit.ly/3Pq29od Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Olav Aleksander Bu is an internationally renowned sports scientist acclaimed for his coaching prowess with elite athletes spanning a diverse range of sports disciplines. In this episode, Olav delves deep into the intricacies of VO2 max and its profound impact on performance. They explore the relationship between VO2 max and ATP production, energy efficiency, and power, as well as the impact of low-intensity training on VO2 max. The conversation extends to Olav’s experiences pushing the boundaries with high-performance athletes and the data driven interventions he uses to improve performance. They also dissect the role of lactate threshold, discuss other important metrics to track, and explore the exciting possibility of utilizing a portable VO2 testing device as a practical alternative to traditional lab-based assessments. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:29 - Olav’s background, expertise in exercise physiology, coaching experience, and interest in the extremes of human capability 0:08:03 - The processes of energy conversion within the human body and its implications for performance 0:19:50 - Improving movement efficiency, and the importance of mindfulness in training to optimize performance 0:36:34 - The relationship between VO2 max, power output, and endurance performance in different sporting contexts 0:47:36 - How VO2 max is measured in the lab, and why it’s a crucial predictor of both lifespan and quality of life 0:58:15 - Absolute vs relative VO2 max, the significance of functional threshold power in cycling, and the importance of longer duration tests for accurate assessments 1:10:35 - Portable VO2 testing devices as a practical alternative to lab-based tests 1:22:19 - The complexities of measuring ventilation and its impact on performance metrics like VO2 max and heart rate 1:30:54 - Training interventions to increase VO2 max, and factors that impact performance outcomes 1:41:15 - The respiratory exchange ratio (RER) and endurance sports, and how factors such as diet composition and exercise intensity influence RER values and performance 1:50:30 - Science-guided training for versatile athletes: maximizing VO2 max, power, torque, and cadence in cycling, and the importance of incorporating diverse stimuli to enhance performance 2:14:28 - Physiological limitations on VO2 max 2:19:07 - The different energy systems used during work, and other things to monitor like VCO2 and heart rate 2:24:03 - Lactate threshold and other metrics to guide your training 2:38:48 - Analysis of a lactate power curve: exploring lactate dynamics in endurance training and performance -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Mar 18, 20242h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Olav Bu and Peter Attia Dissect VO2 Max, Efficiency, Lactate, Elite Triathlon

  1. Bu argues that velocity is the ultimate performance metric, and that efficiency and mindful low-intensity training can matter as much as engine size, illustrated by swimmers using about 25% less oxygen than his triathletes at the same speed.
  2. Both speakers call VO2 max the best integrated marker of longevity, but Bu explains that in long events it is limited by maximum sustainable energy expenditure and fueling, so his athletes' VO2 max was deliberately lowered for Ironman racing.
  3. Bu explains how VO2 max is measured via ventilation and gas concentrations, and says portable devices like the VO2 Master differ from lab carts by only about 50 ml, though ventilation is noisy and affected by things like swallowing and breath-holding.
  4. Bu advocates tracking absolute rather than relative VO2 max for flat racing, noting that weight cuts in his athletes lowered both absolute and relative VO2 max.
  5. On training, Bu suggests maximizing accumulated work at high intensity per session, varying stimuli, and prioritizing consistency, while discussing lactate inflection points (LT1/LT2) and why fixed lactate values mislead.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Velocity is the metric that decides races

Bu and Attia agree that power and VO2 are steps removed from performance, so efficiency, biomechanics and aerodynamics all matter alongside engine size.

Low-intensity work is not junk if it is mindful

Bu says easy riding leaves cognitive reserve to refine position and feel, which he links to Attia's gain in speed at a fixed 200 watts and to specialists' advantage over triathletes.

A bigger engine does not guarantee better swimming

Bu reports that his triathletes have higher VO2 max than elite swimmers, yet an Olympic bronze medalist swam at the same speed using almost 25% less oxygen.

Long events cap how much VO2 max you can build

Because of maximum sustainable energy expenditure and limits on feeding, Bu says his athletes' VO2 max dropped from near 90 to below 80 ml/min/kg to specialize for Ironman.

Weight loss can backfire on VO2 max

Bu found that when his athletes lost weight, absolute VO2 max fell by more than the weight did, so relative VO2 max also dropped, and he favors absolute values for flat racing.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

low intensity, medium intensity, and high intensity should all be high quality. All of them should be mindful workouts because you can use them for different purposes.

— Olav Aleksander Bu

We have to look, learn to look past the noise of the data by collecting a lot of data and knowing exactly what peop- we, we are, we are, we are not machines.

— Olav Aleksander Bu

I think the most undervalued thing, which is not very sexy to talk about, and also the most undervalued thing is that basically it's consistency, consistency in the training over time.

— Olav Aleksander Bu

If you look forward to exercising because you find it enjoyable, you'll do more of it.

— Olav Aleksander Bu

VO2 max is the greatest predictor of lifespan.

— Peter Attia

Velocity and movement efficiencyMindful low-intensity trainingVO2 max and longevityAbsolute vs relative VO2 maxPortable metabolic testingMaximum sustainable energy expenditure and fuelingLactate thresholds LT1 and LT2

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