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350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade

Kyler Brown is a sports rehab chiropractor who specializes in injury recovery, pre- and post-surgical rehabilitation, & guiding clients from rehab back to peak performance. As co-founder of the private training program 10 Squared alongside Peter, Kyler shares his approach to injury prevention & performance optimization—highlighting how overlooked movement patterns can quietly lead to chronic issues over time. He outlines a practical framework for assessing & treating individuals, highlights the importance of understanding movement dynamics & asymmetries, & discusses personalized rehab strategies through real-world case studies. The conversation also explores the psychological side of recovery, including the role of fear & mental barriers in rehabilitation. Kyler shares actionable tools to evaluate movement patterns & implement training strategies that support long-term strength & health. View show notes here: https://bit.ly/3HmnQEo Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:37 - The personalized rehab strategy for Peter’s shoulder surgery that sparked creation of a training program called 10 Squared 0:10:42 - Training for the marginal decade: why precision & purpose are essential for quality of life 0:18:20 - The Centenarian Decathlon: how training for long-term capacity enhances both current & future quality of life 0:24:59 - How the shortcomings of conventional rehab & performance systems led to the creation of 10 Squared, a personalized training model focused on long-term physical capacity & individualized care 0:33:07 - Case study: how personalized assessment & treatment at 10 Squared helps uncover the root causes of injuries 0:43:19 - The role of the “core” in movement & injury prevention, & the importance of training stability before strength 0:51:32 - The layered assessment process used at 10 Squared to determine whether a person is ready to perform dynamic movements 0:55:48 - Case study: the rehab plan designed to treat a hamstring injury while preserving fitness & preventing reinjury 0:59:50-Training approach for clients with minimal training history 1:04:52-How to train foot reactivity, tendon resilience, & explosive capacity in a safe, progressive way 1:09:34-Peter’s foot & ankle pain: how to diagnose, treat, & strengthen the lower extremities 1:19:15-How fear & perception influence recovery, what drives back pain, & when to choose surgery vs. treatment 1:29:20-Could AI eventually deliver an individualized rehab & training experience? 1:32:08-Kyler’s professional evolution from traditional chiropractic care to a performance-based rehab philosophy 1:38:22-How 10 Squared provides precision rehab & training in a remote format 1:41:27-How Peter resolved a severe back pain flare-up using DNS-guided isometric exercise 1:47:52-How to identify & treat common joint pain (neck, back, knee, shoulder) & help avoid surgery -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, & all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 90 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, & much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan & simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

Peter AttiahostKyler Brownguest
May 26, 20251h 50mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Kyler Brown and Peter Attia on Precision Rehab for Lifelong Capacity

  1. Attia describes how his shoulder surgery, with Kyler Brown and surgeon Alton Barron coordinating pre-surgical prehab and an early sling-free recovery, inspired 10 Squared and its focus on training for the marginal decade and the Centenarian Decathlon.
  2. Brown argues that conventional rehab fails through cookie-cutter, insurance-driven, passive-modality care and instead advocates one-on-one plans that build capacity, with the exercise itself serving as the test.
  3. Case studies including Jill's hamstring tendinopathy, a 52-year-old client's hidden calf weakness, and Attia's foot tendon pain show how pain at one site often reflects asymmetries or weaknesses elsewhere.
  4. Brown explains that core stability should be dynamic, and that tissue readiness progresses from isometrics to deloaded plyometrics to full explosive work, building from each person's weakest 'floor'.
  5. The two discuss how fear, stress, and pain perception affect recovery, when back pain truly warrants surgical referral, and how remote exercise-based programming and eventually AI might scale this model.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Prehab and surgeon-rehab coordination can improve surgical outcomes.

Brown says he and the surgeon reverse-engineered the timeline from Attia's September hunting goal, strengthening the shoulder's support structures beforehand so the post-op focus could stay on the shoulder, and Brown credits their communication and Attia's rule-following for allowing a sling-free recovery within 24 hours.

Training for your 80s means being robust in your 40s and 50s.

Brown says chasing peak performance now is a boom-bust approach, while building strength and a robust foundation prepares you for whatever life throws at you; Attia compares it to training for 100 yards so that 40 yards becomes easy.

Good rehab offers a plan that builds capacity, not just services.

Brown calls passive modalities and cookie-cutter handouts red flags, saying clinics should be one-on-one and should rebuild people toward what they want to do, with strength as the long-term goal.

Pain site is not always the problem source.

In Jill's case, right knee pain after back-to-back marathons pointed to pelvic rotation, spinal asymmetry, and a proximal hamstring tendinopathy, so Brown looked for asymmetries beyond the painful spot.

Stability should be dynamic, and load should be progressed in stages.

Brown describes moving from deep stabilization to stability in motion, and from long-hold isometrics to deloaded plyometrics to full explosive work, building each person up from their weakest 'floor'.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Pain does not always mean injury. Pain is your brain telling you, "Hey, I don't like what's happening here." But it doesn't always mean you're broken or busted.

— Kyler Brown

If I'm gonna be an awesome 70 or 80-year-old, I kind of have to be an awesome 45 or 55-year-old.

— Kyler Brown

I think your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan. Right? This idea that, okay, this is what I offer. I offer cupping or dry needling or whatever it could be. One service doesn't ever fix anyone, and it definitely doesn't increase their capacity over time.

— Kyler Brown

I think that's a pathway to frailty. Like, you wanna stimulate the receptors in the bottom of your foot.

— Kyler Brown

I think there's even more value in going to their world. They typically don't want to come into your world. You typically have to go into their world.

— Peter Attia

Shoulder surgery prehab and rehabCentenarian Decathlon and the marginal decadeCapacity-based, one-on-one rehabDynamic core stability and DNSIsometrics to plyometrics progressionTendon injuries and foot reactivityPain, fear, and back pain decision-making

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