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363 ‒ A new frontier in neurosurgery: brain-computer interfaces, new hope for brain diseases, & more

Edward Chang is a neurosurgeon, scientist, and a pioneering leader in functional neurosurgery and brain-computer interface technology, whose work spans the operating room, the research lab, and the engineering bench to restore speech and movement for patients who have lost these capabilities. In this episode, Edward explains the evolution of modern neurosurgery and its dramatic reduction in collateral damage, the experience of awake brain surgery, real-time mapping to protect critical functions, and the split-second decisions surgeons make. He also discusses breakthroughs in brain-computer interfaces and functional electrical stimulation systems, strategies for improving outcomes in glioblastoma, and his vision for slimmer, safer implants that could turn devastating conditions like ALS, spinal cord injury, and aggressive brain tumors into more manageable chronic illnesses. View show notes here: https://bit.ly/46uJXlh Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:17 - The evolution of neurosurgery and the shift toward minimally invasive techniques 0:10:58 - Glioblastomas: biology, current treatments, and emerging strategies to overcome its challenges 0:17:39 - How brain mapping has advanced from preserving function during surgery to revealing how neurons encode language and cognition 0:24:22 - How awake brain surgery is performed 0:29:02 - How brain redundancy and plasticity allow some regions to be safely resected, the role of the corpus callosum in epilepsy surgery, and the clinical and philosophical implications of disconnecting the hemispheres 0:43:46 - How neural engineering may restore lost functions in neurodegenerative disease, how thought mapping varies across individuals, and how sensory decline contributes to cognitive aging 0:54:40 - Brain–computer interfaces explained: EEG vs. ECoG vs. single-cell electrodes and their trade-offs 1:09:02 - Edward’s clinical trial using ECoG to restore speech to a stroke patient 1:20:41 - How a stroke patient regained speech through brain–computer interfaces: training, AI decoding, and the path to scalable technology 1:41:10 - Using brain-computer interfaces to restore breathing, movement, and broader function in ALS patients 1:47:56 - The 2030 outlook for brain–computer interfaces 1:52:35 - The potential of stem cell and cell-based therapies for regenerating lost brain function 1:57:54 - Edward’s vision for how neurosurgery and treatments for glioblastoma, Parkinson’s disease, and Alzheimer’s disease may evolve by 2040 2:00:43 - The rare but dangerous risk of vertebral artery dissections from chiropractic neck adjustments and high-velocity movements 2:02:31 - How Harvey Cushing might view modern neurosurgery, and how the field has shifted from damage avoidance to unlocking the brain’s functions -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 90 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Sep 8, 20252h 9mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Neurosurgeon Edward Chang on Brain-Computer Interfaces Restoring Speech and Treating Brain Disease

  1. Chang explains that neurosurgery has shifted from large open craniotomies toward minimally invasive tools such as catheters, laser probes, and focused ultrasound, with stroke care now resembling heart attack care.
  2. He describes glioblastoma as a genetically varied cancer where molecular profiling, immune-based approaches, and ultrasound-opened blood-brain barrier delivery offer hope, although surgery remains the main proven way to extend survival.
  3. Awake surgery and brain mapping let surgeons protect critical functions like speech while removing tumors or seizure zones, and the same recording tools now reveal how neurons encode language.
  4. Chang details his lab's ECoG-based brain-computer interface trial in which a woman named Anne, paralyzed by a brainstem stroke, communicated at about 80 words per minute using AI decoding of her attempted speech.
  5. Looking ahead, Chang expects fully implantable wireless devices, broader clinical availability by 2030, and biology-driven approaches like cell transplants for Parkinson's, with more optimism for focal movement disorders than for Alzheimer's.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Neurosurgery is moving toward less invasive approaches.

Chang says about 90 percent of aneurysm procedures are now done through a catheter, and clot retrieval has made stroke treatment more like heart attack care, with some patients going home the next day.

Glioblastoma treatment is shifting from histology to molecular profiling.

Chang says tumors are now genetically profiled to guide targeted chemotherapy, and that the tumors suppress immune recognition, which makes immune-based strategies promising. More extensive resection still prolongs survival but isn't curative because of microscopic cells beyond the MRI-visible tumor.

Awake surgery is possible because the brain lacks pain receptors.

The scalp and dura can be numbed, and patients are lightly sedated and awake for only an hour or two for mapping, which lets surgeons protect functions like language and movement while removing as much tumor as possible.

Parts of the brain are redundant and plastic, but not all.

Chang says the 'ten percent' idea really refers to redundancy: surgeons can sometimes remove an entire frontal lobe on one side if slow growth allowed function to reorganize through synaptic plasticity.

ECoG offers a practical middle ground for brain-computer interfaces.

Chang estimates ECoG gives roughly a thousand-fold better resolution than scalp EEG while avoiding the scarring and signal drift of penetrating single-neuron electrodes, and it covers an area densely enough to tolerate individual variation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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So we're starting to see things like stroke become more like heart attacks. The cath labs are not just treating heart attacks, but they're also treating, uh, what we call, um, uh, brain attacks or strokes.

— Edward Chang

The history of neurosurgery was actually primarily about trying to avoid injury, stay outside of the brain, et cetera. Now it's much more inward-looking, trying to understand actually how the system works, how the organ works.

— Edward Chang

Every time we unlock a new mechanism, there'll be something that we can do to treat it, and, um, that's what, you know, the future's gonna look like.

— Edward Chang

Best case scenario, you build a electronic system that can maybe do ten, maybe forty in the future, a thousand channels, but the denominator is eighty-six billion, right?

— Edward Chang

I think the thing that struck me the most the first time I saw neurosurgery was, how the hell do they know what they're doing?

— Peter Attia

Evolution of neurosurgery toward minimally invasive methodsGlioblastoma biology and emerging treatmentsAwake brain surgery and brain mappingBrain plasticity and the corpus callosumEEG vs ECoG vs single-neuron electrodesSpeech-restoring brain-computer interface trialStem cell therapies and Parkinson's disease

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