Peter Attia MD380 ‒ The seed oil debate: are they uniquely harmful relative to other dietary fats?
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Peter Attia and Layne Norton Weigh Evidence That Seed Oils Are Uniquely Harmful
- Because the planned debate fell through when the opposing guest withdrew, Peter Attia steelmans the anti-seed-oil case while Layne Norton argues seed oils are not uniquely harmful.
- Norton argues the older RCTs that appeared to show harm from swapping saturated fat for polyunsaturated fat, like the Minnesota, Sydney and Rose trials, were confounded by trans fats in margarine, and were short, small or statistically weak.
- Norton says trials not confounded by trans fats, such as the Finnish hospital study, plus Mendelian randomization and statin data, point toward lower cardiovascular risk when PUFA replaces saturated fat via lower LDL and ApoB.
- On oxidized LDL, processing solvents and ancestral-diet arguments, Norton contends that fewer particles entering the artery wall, less aggregation, tiny hexane residues and the naturalistic fallacy outweigh the concerns.
- Both conclude that calories, activity and overall diet quality matter far more than seed oils, with Attia adding that seed oils mostly act as a marker for junk food.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasTrans fats confound the key trials implicating seed oils.
Norton notes that the margarine used in the Minnesota and Sydney studies was roughly 25 to 40 percent trans fat, making it hard to attribute any harm to polyunsaturated fat itself.
Trials without trans fat confounding lean toward benefit.
Norton cites the Finnish hospital crossover study, with a 41 percent reduction in the treatment group as stated by Attia, and a 2017 meta-analysis excluding trans-fat trials showing lower risk. Attia notes that some benefit trials included omega-3s and that the VA study missed statistical significance.
Mendelian randomization strengthens the causal role of LDL.
Norton argues that lifelong genetic LDL lowering gives a consistent dose-response regardless of mechanism, and since PUFA replacing saturated fat lowers LDL, this supports benefit. Attia stresses it tests LDL causality, not nutrition directly.
Per-particle oxidation matters less than particle number and aggregation.
Norton says PUFA-enriched particles may oxidize more easily, but PUFA lowers the number of particles entering the artery wall, is less retained and aggregates less than saturated-fat-enriched particles.
Hexane and processing residues are unlikely to cause harm at real exposures.
Norton says residual hexane is well under one part per million, danger is mainly from inhalation, it doesn't bioaccumulate, and refining reduces oxidation products. Attia pressed on whether chronic exposure could still matter.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI think a lot of people when the research conflicts with whatever their viewpoint is, they immediately jump to funding source or think that there's something nefarious going on. And what I will say is the scientific method is perfect. It is a perfect method, but it is done by people who are not.
— Layne Norton
If you're gonna make the argument that polyunsaturated fats are bad, you have to be okay with the argument that saturated fat is really, really bad.
— Layne Norton
It's like we're stepping over $100 bills picking up pennies, you know?
— Layne Norton
We're majoring in the minor and minoring in the major. I just don't think this matters all that much, frankly.
— Peter Attia
If you are a restaurateur and you're listening to this, please take the "no seed oils used" off your menu. It just, it insults me.
— Peter Attia
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