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395 – Brain lipidology: understanding APOE, cholesterol homeostasis, Alzheimer’s disease, & more

Tom Dayspring is a world-renowned lipidologist and one of the most thoughtful teachers in the field of lipid metabolism. In this episode, Tom returns to The Drive for a deep dive into the relationship between lipids and brain health, beginning with the fundamentals of cholesterol transport before exploring why the brain’s cholesterol system operates almost entirely independently from the rest of the body. Tom examines the roles of apoB, apoA-I, and especially apoE in cholesterol homeostasis, discusses how APOE genotype influences Alzheimer’s disease risk, and unpacks the complex links between cholesterol metabolism, amyloid, and tau pathology. He also reviews what is currently known—and still uncertain—about the effects of statins, ezetimibe, omega-3 fatty acids, and emerging CETP inhibitors on brain health and neurodegenerative disease risk. View show notes here: https://peterattiamd.com/tomdayspring8/ Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ 0:00:00-Intro 0:00:11-The fundamentals of cholesterol transport in the body, and how peripheral cholesterol metabolism differs from cholesterol handling in the brain 0:09:27-How cholesterol is transported through plasma and stored within cells, and why lowering LDL cholesterol does not deplete the body or brain of cholesterol 0:17:57-How apoB particles drive atherosclerosis, why lowering lipids matters, and the factors that influence individual cardiovascular risk 0:27:27-How the brain produces and transports its own cholesterol using apoE lipoproteins independently of circulating cholesterol and apoB-containing lipoproteins 0:37:44-How apoB structure influences LDL receptor binding and LDL clearance 0:40:37-How neurons acquire cholesterol from apoE-containing lipoproteins and why desmosterol serves as a unique marker of cholesterol synthesis in the brain 0:47:50-The difference between the APOE gene and the apoE protein, the major APOE genotypes found in humans, and how APOE4 influences Alzheimer’s disease risk 0:52:49-HDL function beyond cholesterol: immune function, protein cargo, and communication with the brain 0:57:44-How APOE4-associated defects in brain cholesterol transport may promote Alzheimer’s disease: amyloid production, neuronal cholesterol homeostasis, and cholesterol clearance 1:09:13-Statins and brain health: reviewing the evidence of the potential impact of statins on cognition and Alzheimer’s disease risk 1:17:35-Desmosterol and 24S-hydroxycholesterol as biomarkers of brain cholesterol metabolism and statin effects 1:19:49-Possible cognitive benefits of ezetimibe beyond lowering apoB 1:23:57-EPA, DHA, and the evidence for omega-3 fatty acids in brain health 1:32:11-Obicetrapib: an emerging CETP inhibitor with potential implications for both cardiovascular and brain health -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 90 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

Peter AttiahostTom Dayspringguest
Jun 9, 20261h 44mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Brain Cholesterol Works Separately From Blood Lipids, and APOE4 Disrupts It

  1. Dayspring explains that peripheral cholesterol travels in apoB and apoA lipoproteins, that most body cholesterol sits in cells rather than plasma, and that lowering plasma LDL does not meaningfully deplete body or brain cholesterol.
  2. The brain holds far more cholesterol than any other organ, makes it locally (oligodendrocytes and astrocytes, with neurons stopping synthesis around age 10), and moves it using apoE-containing HDL-like particles that apoB particles cannot enter because they cannot cross the blood-brain barrier.
  3. The APOE4 isoform is described as producing a dysfunctional apoE that binds neuronal receptors poorly, disrupting neuronal cholesterol handling and, per Dayspring, promoting amyloid production, with Attia citing roughly 2-3x Alzheimer's risk for one E4 copy and about 8-12x for two.
  4. Plasma desmosterol and 24S-hydroxycholesterol are discussed as biomarkers of brain cholesterol synthesis and excretion, offering a way to think about statin effects on the brain, with Dayspring noting that statins are the only apoB-lowering class that reaches the brain and that trial data show neutrality or benefit for cognition.
  5. The speakers close with more speculative ideas: ezetimibe's glucuronide metabolite possibly aiding cognition, observational support for omega-3s, and obicetrapib moving Alzheimer's biomarkers in the BROADWAY trial, all awaiting proper clinical trials.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Lowering plasma LDL does not drain the body's or brain's cholesterol

Dayspring says most cholesterol is in cells and almost none relates to circulating levels; Attia notes halving plasma cholesterol reduces total body cholesterol by only a couple of percent.

The brain is a closed cholesterol system

The brain holds about 20 times more cholesterol than the liver, synthesizes its own, and cannot take up apoB particles, so circulating LDL has no bearing on brain cholesterol; a young child's brain grows rapidly despite very low LDL.

Neurons outsource cholesterol production to astrocytes

After about age 10, neurons stop making cholesterol, because synthesis costs over 30 ATP per molecule, and rely on astrocyte-made apoE particles taken up through LRP1, scavenger receptor B1 and the LDL receptor.

APOE4 may impair neuronal cholesterol delivery and promote amyloid

Dayspring argues the E4 isoform binds neuronal receptors poorly, upsetting membrane cholesterol balance where amyloid precursor protein sits and favoring toxic amyloid 42; Attia cites about 2-3x risk for E3/E4 and 8-12x for E4/E4.

Blood sterol markers can reflect brain cholesterol metabolism

Plasma desmosterol correlates highly with CSF and brain levels, and 24S-hydroxycholesterol appears in plasma when neurons offload excess cholesterol; desmosterol is measurable commercially while 24S-hydroxycholesterol is not.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The brain, of all the organs in the body, has 20 times more cholesterol than does the liver.

— Tom Dayspring

Most people are not aware that the primary function why we have LDLs is to return cholesterol to the liver. Everybody thinks it's delivering cholesterol to cells. Almost never, because every cell can make all the cholesterol it needs.

— Tom Dayspring

Why play Russian roulette and think it's not gonna bother me, when for the vast majority of people, it does create havoc and pathology?

— Tom Dayspring

So physiological levels of circulating cholesterol have nothing to do with a growing or a normal brain.

— Tom Dayspring

The neuron does not wanna waste ATPs making cholesterol if it can get it elsewhere.

— Tom Dayspring

Peripheral cholesterol transport and reverse cholesterol transportapoB particles and atherosclerosisBrain cholesterol synthesis and apoE lipoproteinsAPOE genotypes and Alzheimer's riskCholesterol, amyloid, and neuronal membranesDesmosterol and 24S-hydroxycholesterol biomarkersStatins, ezetimibe, omega-3s, and obicetrapib in brain health

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