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397 - Endometriosis and adenomyosis: diagnosis, fertility, reproductive aging, & emerging treatments

Renato Tomioka is a leading expert in reproductive medicine and gynecologic surgery whose unique skills allow him to diagnose and treat some of the most impactful yet frequently overlooked conditions affecting women’s health. In this episode, Renato explores endometriosis and adenomyosis. Follow Dr. Tomioka's work: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.renatotomioka/ ; Website: https://renatotomioka.com View show notes here: https://peterattiamd.com/renatotomioka/ Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ 0:00:00-Intro 0:00:11-Endometriosis: definition, prevalence, infertility risk, and theories of disease development 0:09:03-The biology of endometriosis: estrogen dependence, progesterone resistance, and tumor-like growth mechanisms 0:13:25-Adenomyosis explained: how it differs from endometriosis, why it develops, and its impact on reproductive health 0:18:51-Recognizing endometriosis and adenomyosis: the “6 Ds” of endometriosis and key differences in clinical presentation 0:22:09-Uterine fibroids: classification, symptoms, and the importance of fibroid location for bleeding and fertility 0:24:08-Understanding endometriosis pain: lesion-driven pain, nerve involvement, central sensitization, and the importance of early treatment 0:28:26-Endometriosis in young women: rising prevalence, delayed diagnosis, and barriers to care 0:33:11-Modern diagnosis of endometriosis: specialized ultrasound, MRI, and the decline of diagnostic laparoscopy 0:45:52-Clinical case example #1: Managing endometriosis in a young woman seeking pain relief while preserving future fertility 0:54:11-Clinical case example #2: Comparing treatment strategies for symptom control versus fertility 1:01:24-Endometriosis and fertility: the roles of age, embryo quality, IVF, and surgery 1:11:50-Clinical case example #3: Managing adenomyosis after failed IVF transfers to improve implantation and pregnancy outcomes 1:20:51-The funding gap in endometriosis research: disease burden, economic impact, and growing awareness 1:22:01-Clinical case example #4: Surgical decision-making in endometriosis—balancing pain relief, fertility preservation, and common treatment pitfalls 1:27:43-Common misconceptions about fertility: maternal age, embryo aneuploidy, the inefficiency of human reproduction, and the limits of IVF 1:34:23-Elective egg freezing: timing, success rates, the fertility funnel, and the tradeoffs of fertility preservation 1:45:49-Emerging fertility technologies: mitochondrial replacement, ovarian tissue preservation, stem-cell-derived eggs, and current limitations 1:55:10-The future of endometriosis treatment: new guidelines, biologic therapies, and unanswered questions about IVF 1:58:30-Why earlier diagnosis matters: reducing years of suffering from endometriosis and adenomyosis -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 90 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

Peter AttiahostDr. Renato Tomiokaguest
Jun 22, 20262h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Endometriosis, Adenomyosis, Fertility Limits and Emerging Treatments Explained by Dr. Tomioka

  1. Tomioka describes endometriosis as endometrial-like tissue growing outside the uterus and adenomyosis as the same kind of tissue inside the uterine muscle, two distinct but overlapping diseases with estrogen dependence, progesterone resistance and tumor-like growth.
  2. Diagnosis is often delayed by roughly six to seven years because pain is normalized, no blood biomarker exists, and a regular ultrasound can miss disease, whereas specialized ultrasound with bowel prep or MRI can detect it well.
  3. Treatment depends on the patient's goals: hormonal suppression and an IUD or pill are typically first-line for pain, while surgery, IVF, and GnRH suppression before embryo transfer come into play when fertility is the aim.
  4. On fertility more broadly, Tomioka stresses that maternal age and egg aneuploidy are the dominant factors, that human reproduction is inefficient, and that egg freezing success follows a steep 'funnel' from follicles to live birth.
  5. He is optimistic about new ACOG guidance allowing empirical treatment and about a prolactin-receptor antibody for endometriosis, while calling mitochondrial replacement and stem-cell-derived eggs promising but not yet solutions.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Modern reproductive patterns may be fueling more endometriosis

Tomioka says a modern woman has roughly fourfold more ovulatory cycles and retrograde menstruation than a woman 200 years ago, which he sees as a possible main driver of rising prevalence, alongside immune dysregulation and possible environmental factors.

A normal standard ultrasound does not rule out endometriosis

Standard ultrasound has very low sensitivity, so a detailed protocol with bowel prep or an MRI is needed, and Tomioka considers specialized ultrasound essential before planning surgery.

Delayed treatment can make pain harder to fix

Using a burglar-alarm analogy, Tomioka explains that years of untreated pain can cause central sensitization, which surgery and hormones don't fix and which requires pelvic floor physiotherapy and pain specialists.

Treatment choice hinges on whether the patient wants pregnancy

For pain without near-term pregnancy plans, hormonal suppression is tried first, but for a woman who wants to conceive, surgery is favored because medications are contraceptive and offer no lasting effect after stopping.

Adenomyosis can undermine IVF even with good embryos

Tomioka says contractions at the junctional zone cause losses around six to eight weeks, and months of GnRH agonist or antagonist suppression before frozen embryo transfer can raise implantation and live birth rates.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It's like putting a 1,000 horsepower F1 engine into a golf cart, right? You just have the machinery, but you can't go further.

— Dr. Renato Tomioka

Imagine like endometriosis lesion is a burglar, right? So surgery can remove the burglar. Hormones can lock the door. But once you have this alarm system ringing and ringing years after years, the wiring changed, and now even a wind can, you know, triggers the alarm.

— Dr. Renato Tomioka

If you do a normal ultrasound and you don't have endometriosis in the report, doesn't mean that you don't have endometriosis.

— Dr. Renato Tomioka

It's like a battery swap for the egg, but you're not changing the engine, right? The engine is the main problem.

— Dr. Renato Tomioka

The cases that stay with me are not the most complex surgeries, not the difficult IVF cycles. They are those women that cry not from pain, but during the appointment from relief.

— Dr. Renato Tomioka

Endometriosis versus adenomyosisThe six Ds and symptom presentationThree types of endometriosis pain and central sensitizationSpecialized ultrasound and MRI diagnosisMedical versus surgical treatment choicesAneuploidy, age, and IVF outcomesEgg freezing and fertility funnel

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