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#51 – Robert Sapolsky, Ph.D.: The pervasive effect of stress – is it killing you?

Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Original release date: 4/29/19 In this episode, Robert Sapolsky, Ph.D., discusses the widespread impact of stress on our physical and emotional health as well as the mechanisms by which it can precipitate chronic illness, dementia, depression, and more. He also provides insight into the factors that contribute to the stress response (and our ability to handle it) such as social rank, personality, environment, and genetics. Lastly, we discuss how our behavior is altered in the face of stress and how that not only has a pervasive effect on a personal level, but also on society as a whole in how we interact with each other. We discuss: -Background, interest in stress, and Robert’s time in Kenya studying baboons [7:00]; -Physiology of a stress response, and why it’s ingrained in our DNA [14:00]; -Individual variation in the response to stress, and how everyone has a different optimal level [24:00]; -How social rank and personality differences affect our stress response [30:15]; -What’s happening in the brain when faced with stressful situations? [39:15]; -What makes the human brain different than all other species? [48:15]; -Imprinting stress to your kids epigenetically [52:00]; -The role of stress on memory and the consequences of hypercortisolemia [57:15]; -The impact of subjective socioeconomic status and social media on stress levels and health [1:01:45]; -Tips for managing stress in the modern world [1:17:45]; -What Robert learned about himself studying the social behavior of baboons [1:29:30]; -The multilayered factors behind every human behavior, the context of “good and bad”, and exploring the human capacity of the wild extremes of violence and altruism from moment to moment [1:34:30]; -PMS: How two women with identical hormone levels can have completely different emotional experiences [1:39:00]; -How much of a role do genes play in depression and other emotional states? [1:42:45]; -Why is cortisol elevated under sleep deprivation? [1:50:15]; -The impact of stress on cancer [1:54:30]; -The impact of stress on atherosclerosis, dementia, addiction, and depression [2:01:15]; -Impulsiveness, impaired judgement, and lack of empathy in times of stress [2:05:45]; -What advice would Robert give his 25-year-old self? [2:12:45]; and -More. Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/robertsapolsky/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 10 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is the founder of Attia Medical, PC, a medical practice with offices in San Diego and New York City, focusing on the applied science of longevity. The practice applies nutritional biochemistry, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, techniques to increase distress tolerance, lipidology, pharmacology, and four-system endocrinology to increase lifespan (delaying the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

Peter AttiahostRobert Sapolskyguest
Jan 9, 20202h 18mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Sapolsky Explains How Chronic Stress Damages Brain, Body, and Behavior

  1. Sapolsky explains that adrenaline and glucocorticoids are well suited to short physical emergencies but cause damage when activated chronically by psychological and social stressors.
  2. Chronic glucocorticoid exposure shrinks and ages the hippocampus, enlarges and overexcites the amygdala, disturbs dopamine, and impairs frontal cortex judgment, impulse control, and empathy.
  3. Health tracks subjective social status and perceived inequality more than absolute wealth or healthcare access, and technology has widened what counts as a local comparison group.
  4. Genes mostly modify vulnerability to environments, as with the serotonin transporter and MAO variants that raised risk only when combined with childhood stress or abuse, and early-life and even fetal stress can be epigenetically transmitted.
  5. Sapolsky says evidence that stress causes cancer is weak, that supportive group therapy likely helps survival through better treatment compliance, and that his own late-life reflection led him to advise being less ambitious.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Stress rarely kills directly but amplifies other killers

Sapolsky says stress seldom kills outright, yet it makes the diseases that do kill more effective, and cortisol has a narrow optimal range where too much or too little is harmful.

The stress response was built for short physical crises

Glucocorticoids mobilize glucose, raise cardiovascular tone, and shut down digestion, growth, and reproduction, which suits fleeing a predator but harms us when triggered for long periods by psychosocial worries.

Chronic glucocorticoids damage the brain in region-specific ways

They atrophy the hippocampus, enlarge and excite the amygdala, disrupt dopamine, and impair the frontal cortex, which helps explain anxiety, addiction, depression, poor decisions, and reduced empathy.

Feeling poor matters more than being poor

Subjective socioeconomic status predicts health at least as well as objective measures, and surrounding people with inequality, now amplified by media and social platforms, makes them feel poor and worsens health.

Genes mostly set vulnerability to environments

The serotonin transporter and MAO variants raised depression or violence risk dramatically only when paired with childhood stress or abuse, and fetal stress can pass anxiety-related traits across generations through non-genetic transmission.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I actually don't think stress kills you outright very often, but it sure makes other things that kill you more effective at doing it.

— Robert Sapolsky

That means we don't hate stress. We hate the wrong amount of stress. When it's the right amount, we love it. We pay money to be stressed, to get on a roller coaster, to go to a scary movie.

— Robert Sapolsky

You've got nine hours of free time every day to devote to being miserable to some other baboon.

— Robert Sapolsky

It's not being poor, it's feeling poor.

— Robert Sapolsky

Be less ambitious.

— Robert Sapolsky

Stress response physiology (adrenaline vs. glucocorticoids)Cortisol effects on hippocampus, amygdala, and frontal cortexSocioeconomic status, perceived inequality, and healthEpigenetics and early-life stressGene-environment interactions in depression and aggressionSleep, morning cortisol, and unpredictable awakeningsStress management and the stress-cancer link

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