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Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dive into Bluesky's meteoric rise, breaking down its explosive growth. They examine at whether Meta is feeling the heat, and look at Bluesky's financial prospects. Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot #pivot #podcast #Bluesky #Threads #SocialMedia #TechTrends

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Nov 26, 20248mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:30

    Bluesky’s growth spike and Threads’ shrinking lead

    Kara opens with Bluesky’s rapid user growth and how it’s narrowing Threads’ daily active user advantage. She frames the moment as real competition that’s forcing Meta to react quickly with new product features.

    • Bluesky surpasses 21M users, adding roughly 1M users per day
    • Threads previously had ~5x Bluesky’s daily active users; lead shrinks to ~1.5x (SimilarWeb)
    • Meta begins shipping new features in response to competitive pressure
    • Custom feeds emerge as a key battleground feature
  2. 0:30 – 1:00

    Meta counters with sign-up stats and feature copying

    Kara notes Adam Mosseri’s attempt to downplay Bluesky by emphasizing Threads’ massive signups. The discussion highlights the difference between signups and usage, and how incumbents often respond by cloning fast-growing challengers.

    • Mosseri cites 50M+ Threads signups in November alone
    • Threads claims ~1M new users/day over the last three months
    • Signups vs. daily active use becomes the real measure of momentum
    • Threads introduces Bluesky-like custom feeds around topics/people
  3. 1:00 – 1:14

    Investor attention: big names circling Bluesky

    Kara transitions from product momentum to the money question, saying she’s hearing from wealthy, well-known potential investors. She sets up a debate on whether Bluesky is investable and what the surge means for valuation.

    • Kara is contacted by wealthy investors and notable figures interested in Bluesky
    • Market excitement suggests imminent fundraising interest
    • The surge is positioned as a catalyst for new investment rounds
    • Kara asks Scott to explain the ‘why’ behind the adoption
  4. 1:14 – 1:42

    Scott’s take: Bluesky as the hottest product in tech—and the core question

    Scott calls Bluesky the hottest product in tech right now, citing rapid growth and strong usage. He presses for the underlying driver of the shift: why people are moving now.

    • Scott frames Bluesky as the most exciting product moment in tech
    • User base jump cited as ~13M to ~23M in two weeks
    • Claims daily active usage is now greater than Threads (as discussed)
    • Central question posed: ‘Why is it taking off?’
  5. 1:42 – 2:42

    Why it feels different: fun, culture, and the ‘cool bar vs Cheesecake Factory’ metaphor

    Kara argues Bluesky’s appeal is experiential—“fun”—and gives a metaphor contrasting it with Threads’ mainstream scale. She also explains why she personally still uses Threads for certain types of content and reach.

    • Bluesky framed as culturally ‘cooler’ and more enjoyable to use
    • Threads seen as effective for marketing and broad distribution
    • Threads feels like ‘Instagram with text’ and surfaces entertaining video content
    • Kara emphasizes users don’t necessarily have to choose one platform
  6. 2:42 – 3:12

    News-forward community: journalists, real-time updates, and ‘old Twitter’ vibes

    Kara describes Bluesky’s traction among journalists and news-focused users who miss the real-time information utility of Twitter. She contrasts this with Threads’ earlier deprioritization of politics/news and its recent shift back toward user choice.

    • Bluesky attracts journalists and a news-centric crowd reminiscent of Twitter
    • Threads previously pushed away from politics/news, affecting timeliness
    • Threads begins allowing more user control over politics/news content
    • Bluesky ‘feels like old Twitter’ but (in Kara’s view) less toxic
  7. 3:12 – 3:43

    Echo chambers and X: Musk’s influence over links and distribution

    Kara argues the real echo-chamber building is happening on X, pointing to claims about suppressing links to news stories. The segment frames algorithmic distribution choices as a form of power that shapes public discourse.

    • Kara rejects the idea that Bluesky uniquely creates echo chambers
    • Accuses X/Elon Musk of building an echo chamber via platform choices
    • Mentions reports of minimizing links to news/stories
    • Distribution throttling is discussed as a major form of control
  8. 3:43 – 4:29

    Funding and ‘billionaire-proof’ positioning via protocol and portability

    Kara introduces Bluesky’s recent Series A and the talk of a new round. She highlights Bluesky’s pitch: decentralization, multiple feeds, and the ability to take your identity/content elsewhere—designed to reduce capture by a single billionaire owner.

    • Bluesky raised $15M Series A (October) and is drawing interest for another round
    • CEO says the platform is ‘billionaire-proof’ due to decentralization
    • Protocol enables ‘endless feeds’ rather than one centralized feed
    • Portability: users can ‘take it with you’ across implementations
  9. 4:29 – 5:34

    Scott’s investing lens: ad dollars are resilient, and the money is still migrating

    Scott zooms out to the ad market, arguing that ad-supported media spend is historically resilient as a share of GDP, even in recessions. What changes is allocation—money continues shifting between platforms, creating openings for a fast-scaling social network.

    • Core motive to invest: social platforms can monetize attention via ads
    • Advertising spend stays ~1.5% of GDP historically, even through downturns
    • Recessions can be opportunities as ad rates fall and share can be gained
    • Big reallocation underway: ‘where the money goes’ is the key dynamic
  10. 5:34 – 6:46

    Valuation math and prediction: a near-term billion-dollar round

    Scott infers Bluesky’s prior valuation range from the $15M raise and predicts a much higher valuation soon. He argues the combination of category heat, network effects, and cultural buzz sets up a large funding round quickly.

    • Scott estimates the prior valuation was likely below $1B given the raise size
    • Suggests a range like ~$50M–$200M at the time of the Series A (as discussed)
    • Predicts a new round within ~90 days at $1B+ valuation
    • Rationale: hottest product + scalable media model + network effects + buzz
  11. 6:46 – 7:34

    Governance and moderation: decentralization ideals vs ‘censorship’ framing

    Kara emphasizes Bluesky’s leadership and ethos—decentralization, empowerment, and active moderation. Scott needles the moderation stance as ‘censorship,’ leading to a back-and-forth that contrasts accountability with selective throttling on other platforms.

    • Kara describes Bluesky’s pro-moderation, pro-empowerment philosophy
    • Scott frames strict moderation as ‘censorship’ and challenges the concept
    • Kara counters by pointing to selective suppression/throttling on X
    • Debate centers on misinformation, accountability, and who controls reach
  12. 7:34 – 8:21

    Leadership and origin story: woman-run team, Twitter spinoff, and dumping Jack Dorsey

    Kara spotlights Bluesky’s woman-led leadership and the platform’s unusual origin story as a Twitter spinoff that ultimately cut ties with Jack Dorsey. The tone turns playful, but the point is governance independence and cultural reset away from Twitter’s legacy.

    • CEO Jay Graber and COO highlighted; Kara stresses the company is woman-run
    • Bluesky began as a Twitter spinoff idea but became independent
    • Kara praises the decision to refuse being a Twitter sub-brand and to remove Dorsey
    • Conversation mocks Dorsey’s public persona and recent behavior
  13. 8:21 – 8:51

    Closing take: Bluesky can be ‘cool’ and Threads can still be useful

    They end by reaffirming that both products can coexist for different needs—Bluesky for the vibe and news-centric community, Threads for distribution and entertaining content. Kara embraces the metaphor and argues the best product is the one that leaves you feeling good after using it.

    • Kara reiterates she likes both Bluesky and Threads for different reasons
    • Threads remains valuable for marketing/reach and content discovery
    • Bluesky praised for culture and user experience
    • Final callback to the ‘cool bar vs Cheesecake Factory’ comparison

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