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Pivot is going on tour! Get all the information on tickets and locations here: https://pivottour.com/ On today's episode, Kara and Scott discuss comedians participating in Saudi Arabia's comedy festival, Threads surpassing X in daily active users, and Nexstar and Sinclair caving on Kimmel. Then, Trump says he's imposing a tariff on foreign-made movies, but who are the real winners and losers? Plus, former FBI Director James Comey gets indicted, though Trump insists it's about justice, not revenge. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #riyadhcomedyfestival #threads #nexstar #sinclair #jimmykimmel #trump #comey #tariffs #tiktok Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 1:41 Trump’s Movie Tariff 6:58 Riyadh Comedy Festival Controversy 19:03 Nexstar and Sinclair Cave on Kimmel 28:51 Threads’ Major Milestone 43:06 Comey Indicted 49:26 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostLiz CheneyguestSandy Hook parentguest
Sep 29, 20251h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Consumers, Comics, and Cronies: Power, Hypocrisy, and Pushback in Media

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect Donald Trump’s proposed 100% tariffs on foreign-made films, arguing they misunderstand how global production and arbitrage underpin modern media economics. They clash over big-name comedians performing at the Saudi-backed Riyadh Comedy Festival under strict censorship clauses, highlighting what Kara calls blatant hypocrisy from self-styled “free speech warriors.”
  2. They celebrate how advertiser and consumer pressure forced Sinclair and Nexstar to restore Jimmy Kimmel Live!, framing it as proof that coordinated economic action can counter political bullying and corporate cowardice. The conversation then broadens to Trump’s TikTok carve‑up for donors, his retributive prosecution of James Comey, and the broader pattern of both parties enabling oligarchic cronyism and weaponized government.
  3. Along the way, they analyze the rapid rise of Meta’s Threads versus X/Twitter, the shift of attention from TV to phones and social platforms, and how platform choice is reshaping news consumption. They close on the need for tougher leadership on the Democratic side and more strategic use of consumer boycotts as a “co-equal branch” of power in a money-driven system.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Trump’s movie tariffs would backfire economically and hurt U.S. media.

By taxing foreign-made content—including much of Netflix’s and Marvel’s globally produced output—Trump’s 100% tariffs would raise consumer prices, shrink content libraries, and damage one of America’s strongest media exporters rather than protecting it.

Global production arbitrage and AI are structurally reshaping film and TV economics.

Studios now routinely produce outside expensive hubs like Los Angeles to exploit tax credits and lower costs, and Scott predicts AI will further erode jobs in areas like storyboarding and production design, compounding pressure on legacy production centers.

Comedians preaching ‘free speech’ are exposed when they accept censorship for cash.

Kara argues that comics like Dave Chappelle and others attending the Riyadh festival—under contracts barring criticism of Saudi Arabia, its leadership, or religion—are undermining their own free speech absolutist rhetoric, whereas speaking gigs with normal corporate constraints are a different category.

Coordinated consumer and advertiser boycotts can rapidly reverse corporate censorship.

Sinclair and Nexstar’s quick reversal on blacking out Jimmy Kimmel, after intense viewer, advertiser, and talent backlash, demonstrates that economic pressure—canceling trips, pulling ads, threatening contracts—can be a powerful counterweight to politically motivated corporate decisions.

Trump’s TikTok plan combines national-security rhetoric with oligarchic cronyism.

Scott supports banning TikTok on security grounds, but blasts the current scheme as carving off U.S. TikTok at a steep discount for Trump-aligned billionaires without an open auction, while likely preserving Chinese control over the recommendation algorithm—a worst-of-all-worlds outcome.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you're one of these comedians that is constantly saying how you're censored… and you sign up to something like that, you should be called out.

Scott Galloway

Hypocrites. Fucking hypocrites. If you say free speech to me, I'm gonna punch you in the nuts.

Kara Swisher

They accomplished in 72 hours what no one in the Democratic Party has been able to accomplish in eight months.

Scott Galloway (on the Kimmel blackout reversal)

We're in America, it's all about money, folks. To deploy that economic power.

Scott Galloway

This is all of the bad taste of an oligarchy with all of the calories of the fact that it'll still probably be a propaganda tool for the CCP.

Scott Galloway (on the proposed TikTok deal)

Trump’s proposed 100% tariffs on foreign-made movies and global media arbitrageComedians at the Saudi-funded Riyadh Comedy Festival and free speech hypocrisyConsumer and advertiser pressure forcing Sinclair and Nexstar to restore Jimmy Kimmel Live!Trump’s TikTok divestiture plan as a discounted giveaway to political donorsThe rise of Threads and Bluesky versus the decline and toxicity of X/TwitterShifts in media consumption from TV/streaming to phone-based social feedsTrump’s retributive legal actions (e.g., James Comey) and weaponization of government

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